http://www.siriuslyscrewed.com/

Just thought I'd pass along this memo. If you are unhappy with your service, and can live without it I would implore you to cancel on the 17th of December.

Losing:

Bubba (H101) - Straw that broke the camels back.
Maxim Radio 108
Back Spin
Punk
and having censored content are all my reasons for disconnecting my radios.

Iv seen this also over the internet as well. They don't know what they are doing at Sirius/XM. I have loved Sirius for the last 5-6 years and now it's come to a end. The problem is there no radio stations worth listening too here either. I have a problem lol.

I myself am waiting to see if Cinemagic returns undamaged.

SiriusXMPops is a weaker channel compared to XM pops, and I dislike the new sirius Broadway channels listing of artist vs. musical, the irritating host, as well as the shorter greatest hits playlist.

If anyone's truly unhappy about it, and really wants them to change, the best thing to do is cancel - in mass numbers. They will try everything they can to keep you when you call, including offering you all kinds of discounts or deals, but if you accept, that will not really motivate them to change anything. Neither will "waiting". You have to be proactive. Only flat-out canning them will have any real effect.

I believe they will want to hold onto old subscribers more than counting on getting new ones - maybe not at first, but the realization will eventually sink in - because once the word gets out that it's not much better than *free* terrestial radio now, there won't be enough new subscribers. Cancelling now will speed up the process of forcing them to either change or die off.

They may just be trying out this new, more commercial approach, to see how it goes. They can and will change back with the right impetus, before they actually get to the point of death.

If you're really that unhappy, what've you got to lose? Even if you can't get through on the 17th, you can do it any other time.

If anyone's truly unhappy about it, and really wants them to change, the best thing to do is cancel - in mass numbers. They will try everything they can to keep you when you call, including offering you all kinds of discounts or deals, but if you accept, that will not really motivate them to change anything. Neither will "waiting". You have to be proactive. Only flat-out canning them will have any real effect.

I believe they will want to hold onto old subscribers more than counting on getting new ones - maybe not at first, but the realization will eventually sink in - because once the word gets out that it's not much better than *free* terrestial radio now, there won't be enough new subscribers. Cancelling now will speed up the process of forcing them to either change or die off.

They may just be trying out this new, more commercial approach, to see how it goes. They can and will change back with the right impetus, before they actually get to the point of death.

If you're really that unhappy, what've you got to lose? Even if you can't get through on the 17th, you can do it any other time.


This is the absolute truth. Money is the only thing that talks to Corporations.

Go to sleep soon you will pay for terrestrial "HD" RADIO? Ibiquity is counting on it!! LOL NOT!!!!!!

i canceled already. they gonna offer two months free then three months free. i said im not happy with change to rap stations didnt say anything about a change coming. just fyi on what to expect called 12/5/08

I canceled my Sirius and my wife's XM subs last week. Sirius asked me why, and if I would like to come back in a few months, but went ahead and canceled. XM was a different story, they tried everything all the way up to offering 2 months free, and I still said no.

Along with the much discussed programming changes on both services, and the abrupt change that we all found out together on the 12th of last month, the last straw for me was the loss of functionality on my Sirius S50 radio. In the past if I liked a song, I could record it with one button press. Now most, not all, but most channels come up with a message to start recording now press this, and then press again when finished................my wifes INNO on XM does that and we HATE it! The S50 was great in this respect. No idea WHY they had to change the functionality of my hardware that I bought.........but hey, they lost me as a customer for good.

There are plenty of alternatives, some even free like Slacker, so off I go!

I'm going to add a sub on 17th.

Sure there are still some bugs being worked out (Loved songs etc...). But overall, the merger, as a rock fan, has been fantastic. Similar channels have merged resulting in deeper playlists thanks to XM. Unique Sirius channels such as Jam On and Hair Nation, not found on XM remained. I am looking forward to Boneyard and other channels to come soon.

I feel for you rap fans, but for rock fans, it's been much more positive than negative.

Still loving NFL and Howard. Hoping Bubba works something out, but if not you can listen online, and I can actually listen locally on terrestrial.

If you want to go back to downloading MP3s, go for it. Enjoy. Been there... Done that... Staying with Sirius... Also love the live content.

And.. the censorship glitch has been fixed, at least on my channels. Hearing f bombs galore on Lithium and Octane etc.... Some of you are so impatient. This is a lot of technology, satellites, different encoding algorithms, 20 Million radios. Many of your reasons for cancelling have already been fixed, or will be soon.

I have been thinking of canceling and finding ways to get what XM used to give me (Beyond Jazz especially). I will think about cancelling on this date.

I'm going to add a sub on 17th.

Sure there are still some bugs being worked out (Loved songs etc...). But overall, the merger, as a rock fan, has been fantastic. Similar channels have merged resulting in deeper playlists thanks to XM. Unique Sirius channels such as Jam On and Hair Nation, not found on XM remained. I am looking forward to Boneyard and other channels to come soon.

I feel for you rap fans, but for rock fans, it's been much more positive than negative.

Still loving NFL and Howard. Hoping Bubba works something out, but if not you can listen online, and I can actually listen locally on terrestrial.

If you want to go back to downloading MP3s, go for it. Enjoy. Been there... Done that... Staying with Sirius... Also love the live content.

And.. the censorship glitch has been fixed, at least on my channels. Hearing f bombs galore on Lithium and Octane etc.... Some of you are so impatient. This is a lot of technology, satellites, different encoding algorithms, 20 Million radios. Many of your reasons for cancelling have already been fixed, or will be soon.

I'm not surprised that Sirius listeners would be pretty happy with the merger. Many of the channels "combined" were really just Sirius personnel taking over channels with XM programmers being let go. The shorter playlists have followed them over as well.
Those of us who chose XM for the better music channels remain distressed with the one service that remains...

A lot of Sirius listeners are very unhappy with some of the changes to the music channels, too.

Give us both back our respective channels and programming, and then we can start childishly fighting over who's service is better again.

(Or better yet, give us all the original channels unaltered that were promised to us in the beginning, along with the a la carte service.)

The more I listen to my favorite channels, the more I'm becoming 'upset' with the changes. Especially with the amount of talk, and talk-over while the songs are playing. The #1 reason I got XM in 2002, and stuck with it all these years was because I just want to hear music. All this talk is like having 20 minutes of commercials.

An alternative I'm been closely looking at is Slacker. Very good selection, very easy to use, and after the portable is bought, FREE with only 3-4 minutes of Ads, or no Ads with the premium service.

The up-front cost for the player is high, but I'm 1) expecting the worse for SiriusXM anyway, I think by the 2nd quarter they're going to be out of business. In this economy I can't see them surviving. and 2) like I said I'm not going to pay to hear DJ's talk and talk and talk over songs.

The up-front cost for the player is high, but I'm 1) expecting the worse for SiriusXM anyway, I think by the 2nd quarter they're going to be out of business. In this economy I can't see them surviving. and 2) like I said I'm not going to pay to hear DJ's talk and talk and talk over songs.

Has SIRI received a delisting notice from NASDAQ? Their stock has been below $1 for almost 3 months.

"How Delisting Works
The rules for delisting depend on the exchange and which listing requirement needs to be met. For example, on the Nasdaq, the delisting process is set in motion when a company trades for 30 consecutive business days below the minimum bid price (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bidprice.asp) or market cap (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp). At this point, Nasdaq's Listing Qualifications Department will send a deficiency notice to the company, informing it that it has 90 calendar days to get up to standard in the case of the market value listing requirement or 180 calendar days if the issue is regarding the minimum bid price listing requirement. The minimum bid price requirement, which is $1, and the market value (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketvalue.asp) requirement (minimum $5 million, provided other requirements are met) are the most common standards that companies fail to maintain. Exchanges typically provide relatively little leeway with their standards because most healthy, credible public companies should be able to meet such requirements on an ongoing basis." http://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/032002.asp?viewed=1

I'm not surprised that Sirius listeners would be pretty happy with the merger. Many of the channels "combined" were really just Sirius personnel taking over channels with XM programmers being let go. The shorter playlists have followed them over as well.
Those of us who chose XM for the better music channels remain distressed with the one service that remains...

I completely disagree.

In MOST cases, the merged channels are simply the XM channels under the Sirius names. I listen A LOT. I am hearing songs that I've never heard on my favorite channels before. In fact, I am hearing songs that I've never heard.... EVER.. before. You give way too much credit to the "Sirius personnel" taking over the XM channels. It's still XM's playlist, and computers are picking most of the songs. If you think a person picks every song you hear, you're way off base.

You are lsitening, looking for something to bitch about. And the second you hear a repeat, it's cancellation time.

I would love to go back in time, keep the channels exactly as they are now, but choose the XM names for all of these channels, and I bet there wouldn't be 1/2 of the complaining. It would be quite an interesting experiment in psychology.

Look, those of you that fear change are never going to be won over. So just cancel. Those with an open can see that this merger is still one heck of an awesome musical service, light years ahead of terrestrial, and a pretty good combination of channels.

I know some never want change. But if you absolutely had to merge the channels to save the company, I think they did the right thing on the majority of the channels. There seem to be a couple of big mistakes. I thinkt First Wave sucks and should probably have kept Fred's playlist. Backspin should have been kept. There are others. However cuts were made and you can't please everyone. Personally, I might have kept Backspin, but then cut cinemagic. But then so many others would be upset by that. Overall though, I give them a solid, well thought out B+ for Rock. Improve 1st Wave and bring back Punk and you'll get an A.

Has SIRI received a delisting notice from NASDAQ? Their stock has been below $1 for almost 3 months.

"How Delisting Works
The rules for delisting depend on the exchange and which listing requirement needs to be met. For example, on the Nasdaq, the delisting process is set in motion when a company trades for 30 consecutive business days below the minimum bid price (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bidprice.asp) or market cap (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp). At this point, Nasdaq's Listing Qualifications Department will send a deficiency notice to the company, informing it that it has 90 calendar days to get up to standard in the case of the market value listing requirement or 180 calendar days if the issue is regarding the minimum bid price listing requirement. The minimum bid price requirement, which is $1, and the market value (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketvalue.asp) requirement (minimum $5 million, provided other requirements are met) are the most common standards that companies fail to maintain. Exchanges typically provide relatively little leeway with their standards because most healthy, credible public companies should be able to meet such requirements on an ongoing basis." http://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/032002.asp?viewed=1

No, not yet. I read somewhere that NASDAQ usually waits about 3-6 month or so( which is kind of what your link mentions) after a stock drops below $1, then they give them a 30 days notice. So, IMO, SiriusXM is probably safe until late 1st quarter of 2009, or early 2nd quarter.

But by then either SiriusXM will be gone, OR they will do their reverse split of the stock which will drive the price over $1 and stop the de-listing.

I completely disagree.

In MOST cases, the merged channels are simply the XM channels under the Sirius names. I listen A LOT. I am hearing songs that I've never heard on my favorite channels before. In fact, I am hearing songs that I've never heard.... EVER.. before. You give way too much credit to the "Sirius personnel" taking over the XM channels. It's still XM's playlist, and computers are picking most of the songs. If you think a person picks every song you hear, you're way off base.

You are lsitening, looking for something to bitch about. And the second you hear a repeat, it's cancellation time.

I would love to go back in time, keep the channels exactly as they are now, but choose the XM names for all of these channels, and I bet there wouldn't be 1/2 of the complaining. It would be quite an interesting experiment in psychology.

Look, those of you that fear change are never going to be won over. So just cancel. Those with an open can see that this merger is still one heck of an awesome musical service, light years ahead of terrestrial, and a pretty good combination of channels.

I know some never want change. But if you absolutely had to merge the channels to save the company, I think they did the right thing on the majority of the channels. There seem to be a couple of big mistakes. I thinkt First Wave sucks and should probably have kept Fred's playlist. Backspin should have been kept. There are others. However cuts were made and you can't please everyone. Personally, I might have kept Backspin, but then cut cinemagic. But then so many others would be upset by that. Overall though, I give them a solid, well thought out B+ for Rock. Improve 1st Wave and bring back Punk and you'll get an A.
You pointed out the issue with 1st Wave, which I completely agree with since Fred was the channel I listened to most but the same problems also exist on Lithium, Classic Vinyl, Rewind, 70's, 80's etc. You're kidding yourself if you think most of the channels are renamed XM channels. Also what about the idiot DJs? Glad you're happy but don't try to spin it like those who are not are imagining things.

Not to change the subject too much but can someone explain this Bubba thing to me?
Is there a link explaining the story?
I could have sworn we were listening to him complaining about his contract last year.
I thought they resigned him.
Was it only for one year?
Does he expect more money or were they low balling him?
I like Bubba (he is on terrestrial in my area) but I would get real tired hearing someone complain about money every 3 months.

I completely disagree.

In MOST cases, the merged channels are simply the XM channels under the Sirius names. I listen A LOT. I am hearing songs that I've never heard on my favorite channels before. In fact, I am hearing songs that I've never heard.... EVER.. before. You give way too much credit to the "Sirius personnel" taking over the XM channels. It's still XM's playlist, and computers are picking most of the songs. If you think a person picks every song you hear, you're way off base.

You are lsitening, looking for something to bitch about. And the second you hear a repeat, it's cancellation time.

I would love to go back in time, keep the channels exactly as they are now, but choose the XM names for all of these channels, and I bet there wouldn't be 1/2 of the complaining. It would be quite an interesting experiment in psychology.

Look, those of you that fear change are never going to be won over. So just cancel. Those with an open can see that this merger is still one heck of an awesome musical service, light years ahead of terrestrial, and a pretty good combination of channels.

I know some never want change. But if you absolutely had to merge the channels to save the company, I think they did the right thing on the majority of the channels. There seem to be a couple of big mistakes. I thinkt First Wave sucks and should probably have kept Fred's playlist. Backspin should have been kept. There are others. However cuts were made and you can't please everyone. Personally, I might have kept Backspin, but then cut cinemagic. But then so many others would be upset by that. Overall though, I give them a solid, well thought out B+ for Rock. Improve 1st Wave and bring back Punk and you'll get an A.

I respect everyone's opinion, including yours. And if people are happy, or can deal with the changes then kudos, I really wish that I could have. My wife especially was unhappy with how Octane changed. For me, it was the programming but ultimately the loss of functionality on my radio.

However, I think the real reason for all the backlash and cancellations stems from two very important facts: First, was the unannounced changes, drastic changes at that, for subscribers and staff at XM/Sirius on the 12th. Secondly, the fact that false promises were made when the merger was first discussed.

Again, for those who are happy, more power to you. On the other hand, if you are not happy, then cancel, don't hesitate. If enough people cancel, I predict one of two outcomes, either the company dies, or they will try to change, and maybe, they would get some of us back. The bottom line is that life is too short, and money is too valuable, especially these days to pay and deal with a service that is not up to par with your personal standards.

The 2 channels I listen to mostly are the 70's and Classic Vinyl.

When these channels were XM there was very little talking, hell Top Tracks/Classic Vinyl never even had a DJ. Just a promo voice every once in awhile.

These were the 2 channels I was talking about in my earlier post. Both, IMO, have way too much talking now. And most of the time it's not even talk about the music, but talk about other channels, or SiriusXM, or the DJ's family vacation.

It's nonsense.

I respect everyone's opinion, including yours. And if people are happy, or can deal with the changes then kudos, I really wish that I could have. My wife especially was unhappy with how Octane changed. For me, it was the programming but ultimately the loss of functionality on my radio.

However, I think the real reason for all the backlash and cancellations stems from two very important facts: First, was the unannounced changes, drastic changes at that, for subscribers and staff at XM/Sirius on the 12th. Secondly, the fact that false promises were made when the merger was first discussed.

Again, for those who are happy, more power to you. On the other hand, if you are not happy, then cancel, don't hesitate. If enough people cancel, I predict one of two outcomes, either the company dies, or they will try to change, and maybe, they would get some of us back. The bottom line is that life is too short, and money is too valuable, especially these days to pay and deal with a service that is not up to par with your personal standards.

That's funny because Octane is my absolute personal most improved channel. I used to be an occasional listener, now it is becoming my favorite. Lithium was my favorite, but I think it got a little worse. It's definitely more interesting in terms of depth of playlist, but the breadth of the playlist is too much, and too many songs overlap into other genres and should not be on Lithium, in my opinion. Still though, like I said, a darn good station.

If the average song is 4 minutes long, you get 15 songs an hour. If they talk every 3rd song, that's 5 talking sessions an hour. If you actually timed this talking, I bet it would be 30 seconds on average. So 2.5 minutes an hour of talk. Overreacting.

Again, you're a Sirius fan, and I'm glad you're happy. Those of us who chose XM for the deeper playlists and less dj chatter are less thrilled than you. I'm waiting until I see what cinemagic is like when it wakes up from it's coma but I'm not happy with the changes on the channels that I listen to.

If the average song is 4 minutes long, you get 15 songs an hour. If they talk every 3rd song, that's 5 talking sessions an hour. If you actually timed this talking, I bet it would be 30 seconds on average. So 2.5 minutes an hour of talk. Overreacting.

It's more then 2.5 minutes. And when you compare it to ZERO minutes it's not overreacting.

I've been a loyal XM customer for over 6 years. Thru the thick and thin, the good and bad. I don't overreact.

I am dis-pleased with what I hearing now.

Again, you're a Sirius fan, and I'm glad you're happy. Those of us who chose XM for the deeper playlists and less dj chatter are less thrilled than you. I'm waiting until I see what cinematic is like when it wakes up from it's coma but I'm not happy with the changes on the channels that I listen to.
+1
As an XM sub for over two years, the change to Sirius has mostly been less than kind for us. I don't care what they call stations as long as they play a variety. It is not just that I'm biased but Squizz was better than Octane and The BoneYard was 100% better than Hair Nation, hopefully when B.Y. comes back it will not be f**cked like all the other Sirius channels.

Deep Tracks, Hair Nation/Boneyard, Top tracks/Classic, and Squzz.Octane all play the same type of music, its just different now, different bands, different songs, mostly hits but nothing deeper, just **** basically. I find myself reaching for the remote on my Ski Fi constantly now in search of anything that resembles what I remember to no avail.

With all that said, I am not cancelling just yet, I did a test on the drive in this morning: I turned off sat and listened to F.M. I just couldn't bear it, same stupid DJ antics, same commercials.

Now, if they F up the Boneyard or get rid of George Taylor Morris on Deep Tracks, I am outta here.

Not to change the subject too much but can someone explain this Bubba thing to me?
Is there a link explaining the story?
I could have sworn we were listening to him complaining about his contract last year.
I thought they resigned him.
Was it only for one year?
Does he expect more money or were they low balling him?
I like Bubba (he is on terrestrial in my area) but I would get real tired hearing someone complain about money every 3 months.Big BTLS fan here...and very dissapointed over what's going on with this situation.

He was initially signed in 2006. That came and went, Bubba proved himself, but it was apparent that Sirius didn't think so, so they extended his contract for a year (after hanging him out to dry till December). So now that one year extension is up and no contract has been given. He has 9 more broadcast days left until his contract is up and he's off the air. According to Bubba he has worked without a raise since he got to Sirius. The company has paid him the same, he's only stayed here because he had no where else to go, but now that his terrestrial deals are getting attention, he doesn't need Sirius, those execs up in NYC, need to pull their heads out their ass.

Stern has repeatedly said that Sirius will make a grave mistake not signing BTLS back...He said he'd have no use for Ch. 101 if Bubba left.

That's the shortened version...There's more to this, but it's a combination of things that makes this situation so messed up. I will probably cancel my sirius, sub expires on 12/30.

I can't deal with censored music, i rather listen to regular radio.

Big BTLS fan here...and very dissapointed over what's going on with this situation.

He was initially signed in 2006. That came and went, Bubba proved himself, but it was apparent that Sirius didn't think so, so they extended his contract for a year (after hanging him out to dry till December). So now that one year extension is up and no contract has been given. He has 9 more broadcast days left until his contract is up and he's off the air. According to Bubba he has worked without a raise since he got to Sirius. The company has paid him the same, he's only stayed here because he had no where else to go, but now that his terrestrial deals are getting attention, he doesn't need Sirius, those execs up in NYC, need to pull their heads out their ass.

Stern has repeatedly said that Sirius will make a grave mistake not signing BTLS back...He said he'd have no use for Ch. 101 if Bubba left.

That's the shortened version...There's more to this, but it's a combination of things that makes this situation so messed up. I will probably cancel my sirius, sub expires on 12/30.

I can't deal with censored music, i rather listen to regular radio.


BTLS and O&A fan here. I used to listen to Bubba when he was on EXTREME on XM. Then he got fined and disapperaed off the face of the earth. I started to listen to O&A and was excited to get Bubba with the best of package.

My listening day usually is O&A live in the AM, Stern till 3pm then Bubba from 3pm on.

meh, I could care less. I still got my metal, hardcore, punk, and hard rock. don't care for rap, would love to have Cinemagic, and sometimes enjoy the holiday music. I'm not canceling, and my 6 year old radio (Sirius) still works without a single problem. But I do understand the gripes some people may have. To each their own.

father has sirius and bro has xm. loved RAW & Rhyme on xm, especially the artist shows, mrs kitty, the general and Spitkicker Radio. they only kept Subsonic and stuck it on sun at 10pm... Sirius had a decent old school station but now that's down to shade45(really gunit) and hiphopnation which just doesn't have any variety through the day.

Since it seems SubSonic's plea worked I have daily emails being sent ea day to get the other shows back...

I doubt either will cancel but I def know they'll take the free months if offered.

XM65 The rhyme!!!

meh, I could care less. I still got my metal, hardcore, punk, and hard rock.
You do?

This is the absolute truth. Money is the only thing that talks to Corporations.

This is the way it's supposed to work.

I think people get more wrapped up in 'wanting to be heard' rather than just saying, "Ok, because of these changes this service no longer works for me."

Imagine if you owned a sub shop but also sold hot dogs. For every 500 subs you sold you sold 2 hot dogs. The hot dog guys loved you. Where else are they going to get hot dogs. Your cost of maintaining the sales of those 2 hot dog sales outweighed the benefit of selling those 2 hot dogs. Now the hot dog people are super-pissed and want to shout from the roof tops how you were once beloved and sold hot dogs but now you've screwed them by no longer selling hot dogs. You, the business owner, don't really care. You're not in this to make the hot dog people happy. You just want to make a profit and there's nothing wrong with that. Had the hot dog people come out of the wood work and you had been selling 500 hot dogs to 2 subs you'd be in the hot dog business.

People set this up like it's 'the common people' against 'the big corporation' but it really isn't. 'The common people' work at the big corporation. 'The big corporation' just wants to make a profit and, in turn, has to make decisions to make that profit and employs 'the common people' to make that profit.

This isn't anything to get up in arms about. You're not married to the product (some people act the same way about TiVo or iPods/iPhones, etc. - it's *just* a product/service). If it's not working out, move on. The company is seeing that it'll make more money based on these new changes. That's what they're banking on. If they thought that they could make more money supporting your personal tastes, (and there's nothing wrong with your personal tastes, there just has to be enough people with similar tastes to support that business) then they'd be selling to you and you'd be happy.

You do?

Maybe he thinks "Fallout Boy" is real punk????

This is the way it's supposed to work.

I think people get more wrapped up in 'wanting to be heard' rather than just saying, "Ok, because of these changes this service no longer works for me."

Imagine if you owned a sub shop but also sold hot dogs. For every 500 subs you sold you sold 2 hot dogs. The hot dog guys loved you. Where else are they going to get hot dogs. Your cost of maintaining the sales of those 2 hot dog sales outweighed the benefit of selling those 2 hot dogs. Now the hot dog people are super-pissed and want to shout from the roof tops how you were once beloved and sold hot dogs but now you've screwed them by no longer selling hot dogs. You, the business owner, don't really care. You're not in this to make the hot dog people happy. You just want to make a profit and there's nothing wrong with that. Had the hot dog people come out of the wood work and you had been selling 500 hot dogs to 2 subs you'd be in the hot dog business.

People set this up like it's 'the common people' against 'the big corporation' but it really isn't. 'The common people' work at the big corporation. 'The big corporation' just wants to make a profit and, in turn, has to make decisions to make that profit and employs 'the common people' to make that profit.

This isn't anything to get up in arms about. You're not married to the product (some people act the same way about TiVo or iPods/iPhones, etc. - it's *just* a product/service). If it's not working out, move on. The company is seeing that it'll make more money based on these new changes. That's what they're banking on. If they thought that they could make more money supporting your personal tastes, (and there's nothing wrong with your personal tastes, there just has to be enough people with similar tastes to support that business) then they'd be selling to you and you'd be happy.
What a condescending a**. I really do not think people believe that it is their right as a US citizen to have the channels the way they want them but they are paying for a service and as customers should communicate if the provider has made changes that they are not happy with. Your example would be better if you said that the sub shop took the hot dogs and ground them up and mixed them in with each sub, therefore pissing off many of the sub customers as well.
There are people who beleive that the story that was sold to support the merger was a lie, however, I think that is more misinterpretation of what was said. The other thing you fail to acknowledge is that there are some who have invested significant $ in hardware that is useless if they walk away. I'm all about capitalism and letting your wallet speak, but its not quite as simple as you make it out to be.

Imagine if you owned a sub shop but also sold hot dogs. For every 500 subs you sold you sold 2 hot dogs. The hot dog guys loved you. Where else are they going to get hot dogs. Your cost of maintaining the sales of those 2 hot dog sales outweighed the benefit of selling those 2 hot dogs. Now the hot dog people are super-pissed and want to shout from the roof tops how you were once beloved and sold hot dogs but now you've screwed them by no longer selling hot dogs. You, the business owner, don't really care. You're not in this to make the hot dog people happy. You just want to make a profit and there's nothing wrong with that. Had the hot dog people come out of the wood work and you had been selling 500 hot dogs to 2 subs you'd be in the hot dog business.
This analogy is awful. The original concept of XM was to cater to niche markets. While niche audiences were too small for one FM station to make any money off of, a nationwide distribution network catering to 20+ niches of paying subscribers was thought to be profitable. And it likely would have succeeded had Sirius not gone nuclear with Howard Stern's salary.

Maybe he thinks "Fallout Boy" is real punk????


oh haha, good one, come up with that all by yourself? isn't that just too cute. In fact, I HATE Fallout Boy and all that other emo crap. Faction still plays a good bit of punk, such as Pennywise or older Offspring.

And as for hardcore, just listen to 27, they play some good bands, like Sick of it All and Shai Hulud.

Like I said, I am still happy with the music choices, and if I get tired of it, pop in a CD or my iPod and I got that. but the commercial-free music is still plenty for me to stay with it. the ONLY time I even listen to FM anymore is when I am in a vehicle without Satellite Radio in it and don't have any good CD's to listen to in that particular car.

oh haha, good one, come up with that all by yourself? isn't that just too cute. In fact, I HATE Fallout Boy and all that other emo crap. Faction still plays a good bit of punk, such as Pennywise or older Offspring.
So the bands I tolerated on Fungus now form the basis of punk on SiriusXM? That's why I'm no longer listening.

Where do I go to get the Dead Boys and Johnny Thunders? Underground Garage I guess, but will I get 80s era Descendants, MDC, Fear and Circle Jerks there? Are those guys even on Sirius XM anymore? I want all those bands plus the handful of modern acts like the Briefs, Street Dogs, Throw Rag, Teenage Bottlerockets and Against Me! that I like in one spot. And that is the most important because without familiar music bookending the new acts its likely I won't discover the new acts are out there. I'm 34 and a new dad and so I don't make it out to shows as much as I used to.

So the bands I tolerated on Fungus now form the basis of punk on SiriusXM? That's why I'm no longer listening.

Where do I go to get the Dead Boys and Johnny Thunders? Underground Garage I guess, but will I get 80s era Descendants, MDC, Fear and Circle Jerks there? Are those guys even on Sirius XM anymore? I want all those bands plus the handful of modern acts like the Briefs, Street Dogs, Throw Rag, Teenage Bottlerockets and Against Me! that I like in one spot. And that is the most important because without familiar music bookending the new acts its likely I won't discover the new acts are out there. I'm 34 and a new dad and so I don't make it out to shows as much as I used to.

I see where you are coming from. You want the true form huh? I grew up loving bands like Pennywise, Bad Religion, Offsrping (Smash, Ixnay on the Hombre albums). I know Faction used to have a show dedicated to punk history with Marky Ramone but I haven't heard it in a while.

Robert Clark-I agree!

If you want to make an impact, WRITE, WRITE, WRITE!!! (You know their phone customer service is horrible!) If after a couple more months nothing happens, then you know they just don't care. Then cancel. They will fold and hopefully someone will pick up and run with something. I can get stuff through the net on my iPhone...no commercials!

Listen, as an XM person I am very disappointed in the change. Like so many others, I want playlists with depth. On several Sirius channels (I have Sirius on Dish and that's why I got XM-it's better) I hear the same song, at the same time, everyday. Come on! What's really been done is they plugged the Sirius feed into XM and they talk. I hate the idoitic airheaded morons they have talking over music. This much talk, and it's regular radio...which means they have not really done a good job differentiating themselves. Let's face it, you didn't pick Sirius because of superior music, selection, or depth of playlists. Yes, it's OK, but it's not great.

I've corresponded a number of times with John Zellner. While he came off pretty friendly it was also pretty clear that the changes they made as far as punk went were going to be permanent.

I understand that there are folks, like myself, that are not happy. But I think everyone is forgetting that most of us payed for "no commercials" service. That was some of the selling pitches they got me with. Be with this merger it seems that they are alot more of them. I don't pay to listen to commercials. They just don't care once they have your money.

All you folks talk about is "MUSIC." LOL!!!!! :D

Really, I've paid for XM for four years (for FOUR radios) because of the MLB coverage. Right now on Channel175, they're moving hosts around, firing others and bringing in "new talent." Kennedy and Dibble--the two most informed hosts on any baseball program anywhere--have been separated and the morning show has been gutted.

I'm not happy, but I'm willing to give SiriusXM a chance until at least the new baseball season in '09. We'll see. :eek:

This is the only reason I haven't cancelled my subs, yet.

Let's do a simple comparison. First Wave lists the following bands as stuff you'll hear on the station on the XM website:

Depeche Mode, U2, REM, The Cure, The Police, Duran Duran, INXS, Pretenders, The Smiths, Talking Heads

Not bad. Mind you, you're not going to hear any deep cuts from them, but those aren't bad bands. But let's see what Fred on 44 listed as typical stuff you'd hear on the station, circa one year ago via the internet wayback machine:

the Violent Femmes, Simple Minds, Dead Milkmen, U2, New Order, Ministry, XTC, The Buzzcocks, R.E.M., Love & Rockets, The Damned, Bauhaus, The Ramones, Jesus & Mary Chain, Joy Division, X, Social Distortion, Talking Heads, Iggy Pop, The Replacements, Erasure

You see my point. I should note that since the change-over, I have heard exactly THREE of those bands. First Wave (like Lithium, Alt Nation and many other stations) has reduced their catalog from roughly 2000 songs to 400. They have added DJs who bring little value to the service and who actively talk over the music. Songs are being edited and presented in terrestrial radio format. Where once you could expect to hear some diversity from a particular artist's catalogs, now the only songs you hear are those that were released as singles...and sometimes only the ones that managed to chart on the Top 100. There's certainly nothing wrong with playing some of an artist's most popular work, but when that's all that you play, it makes me wonder why I'm paying a fee to do so, when I can hear that on regular radio. Of course, it doesn't help when the new programmer for First Wave defines Robert Palmer and the Go-Gos as 'alternative'.

Whole categories of music have been marginalized or removed. Punk and Ska, for example, are now shoehorned into an hour-long show or occasionally played on stations like Faction. Categories of music like Jazz, Hip-hop and others have all been pruned away or reduced and homogenized to the point of being little better than terrestrial radio.

I can understand that some folks see no difference or care little about the changes and I'm glad that they continue to enjoy Sirius XM. However, I think it's more than a little misguided to imply that only a tiny, tiny handful of listeners are unhappy and that all of them are the most financially unrewarding yet vocal customers that Sirius XM has. I note that XM listeners are, by and large, more likely to be dissatisfied than Sirius customers, for obvious reasons. I also note that fans of Talk Radio, including Howard, are also less likely to notice any changes or find them problematic.

I have given Sirius XM a month to show me that they are fine-tuning the format, but it's clear they like it the way it is. Suggestions for changes have fallen on deaf ears, so it's clear the only way to vote is with my dollars. I'm disappointed, because I truly loved the XM service before the change. I had my problems with some of the things they did, but I found the service essential to car travel. Now I'll need to switch to CD and my iPod. C'est la vie.

First Wave lists the following bands as stuff you'll hear on the station on the XM website:

Depeche Mode, U2, REM, The Cure, The Police, Duran Duran, INXS, Pretenders, The Smiths, Talking Heads


A more realistic representation would be: U2, REM, U2, The Cure, U2, The Police, U2, Duran Duran, U2, INXS, U2, Pretenders, U2, The Smiths, U2, Talking Heads:)

An alternative I'm been closely looking at is Slacker. Very good selection, very easy to use, and after the portable is bought, FREE with only 3-4 minutes of Ads, or no Ads with the premium service.

I too and LOVING Slacker's free web service so far, I might pull the trigger on a G2 player soon simply based on how much I'm enjoying what the site plays as I fine tune my stations. I was a big Pandora fan but Slacker is much better IMHO.

As for Sirius - I'm canceling one of my subs in Feb because that's when its up. However I may cancel the other three as they come due (I pay a year in advance) if they don't bring back Backspin and Boombox.

I too and LOVING Slacker's free web service so far, I might pull the trigger on a G2 player soon simply based on how much I'm enjoying what the site plays as I fine tune my stations. I was a big Pandora fan but Slacker is much better IMHO.

As for Sirius - I'm canceling one of my subs in Feb because that's when its up. However I may cancel the other three as they come due (I pay a year in advance) if they don't bring back Backspin and Boombox.

Yep, looks like I am going to cancel 2 of my 3 XM subs after the 1st of the year and buy a G2.

I'm keeping my home XM unit. I still enjoy some of XM and it's a portable so when baseball season starts I can bring this and keep up with the Mets when we travel.

I'll hook up both cars for the G2.

oh haha, good one, come up with that all by yourself? isn't that just too cute. In fact, I HATE Fallout Boy and all that other emo crap. Faction still plays a good bit of punk, such as Pennywise or older Offspring.

And as for hardcore, just listen to 27, they play some good bands, like Sick of it All and Shai Hulud.

Like I said, I am still happy with the music choices, and if I get tired of it, pop in a CD or my iPod and I got that. but the commercial-free music is still plenty for me to stay with it. the ONLY time I even listen to FM anymore is when I am in a vehicle without Satellite Radio in it and don't have any good CD's to listen to in that particular car.

Offspring is just Fallout Boi from CA, at least Pete Wentz admits who he is (so in that way I actually give them more credit). After thier vulgar insinuations in the song "HammerHead", I'd like to have seen that communist traitoristic bunch of hippies from Offspring show up at one of the old Boston Hardcore shows back in the original FSU days:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=boston+beatdown&search_type=

not sure where this thread is going but i have a question. Did people really think with the market being what it is today, that they would let go of talent and tighten some of the channels?

2 things I've noticed lately. 1) Mel has been getting a ton of bad ink. The media has really been ganging up on him lately, and..2) maybe it's because of the bad press, or maybe he's tired of putting on his happy face when things are really grim but lately Mel's been anything but optimistic.

And,IMO, if Mel of all people starts to sound pessimistic it's very bad news.

not sure where this thread is going but i have a question. Did people really think with the market being what it is today, that they would let go of talent and tighten some of the channels?

I doubt there will even be a SiriusXM in 2010 but according to this Stern might call it quits. No way SXM will pony up anything close to the $500 million to keep him.

Mel's sounding pessimistic, Stern's talking about bailing.

And I'm looking at alternatives to XM..:)

It doesn't look good.

Howard Stern to leave Sirius XM?
Posted Dec 12 2008, 04:06 PM by Kim Peterson
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Sirius XM already has a few nails pounded into its coffin. Could Howard Stern's departure be what finally dooms the company?

Stern is making some noise about leaving when his contract ends in 2010. "This is my swan song," he said on his show.

Granted, this could be a lot of bluster. You never know with Howard Stern. But if he's serious about leaving, then Sirius XM stands to lose a good chunk of its subscribers.

http://blogs.moneycentral.msn.com/topstocks/?fpn=howard%20stern%20to%20leave%20sirius%20xm&GT1=33009

not sure where this thread is going but i have a question. Did people really think with the market being what it is today, that they would let go of talent and tighten some of the channels?They could save a bunch of $ if they let the stupid DJs go. Today the bimbo on 1st Wave was singing the upcoming songs and artists, yuck.

not sure where this thread is going but i have a question. Did people really think with the market being what it is today, that they would let go of talent and tighten some of the channels?

I'm not sure I understand the question. By talent, do you mean folks like Martha Stewart or folks like Billy Zero? If the former, no and if the latter, yes. Which is what happened. I suspect you meant the former...and the extended answer is that I, at least, didn't expect that suddenly all the contracts signed with the Sinatra estate or Jimmy Buffet were going to be null and void just due to the merger.

When you say 'tighten some of the channels', if you mean wholesale deletion of entire categories of music and purging of dozens of groups and hundreds of songs...then No, I didn't expect that. Did I expect changes to some stations? Sure. Mel Karmazin stated that the merger would result in us getting the 'best of both services'...but instead many folks feel the opposite has happened. And certainly, the total elimination of some formats, like Punk for example, was not even suggested. I think I'd much rather have sacrificed one of the three 'classic rock' stations rather than lose both Sirius and XM's punk channel.

This is the way it's supposed to work. I think people get more wrapped up in 'wanting to be heard' rather than just saying, "Ok, because of these changes this service no longer works for me." Yes but sometimes it's still better to do both - raise your voice AND stop voting for that corporation (with dollars). Recently Healthy Choice Meals stopped putting breading on their General Tso's chicken. I told them that it's not really Tso's chicken without the breading, and now it's just bland white meat, and I intend to stop buying this new "better" product.

They sent me a coupon for a free meal worth upto 5 dollars - so basically complaining profited me because now I save 5 bucks off my next grocery bill. POINT: Complaining to XM-sirius can be more satisfying than just canceling alone. This isn't anything to get up in arms about. You're not married to the product (some people act the same way about TiVo or iPods/iPhones, etc. - it's *just* a product/service). Yeah I don't understand that kind of "love" for a white brick named Ipod, but I do know companies deliberately market their goods in order to create a "good feeling" and often talk about forming relationships with their customers. If the people buy into this crap & start to think of these companies like a relationship, then I can see why they'd be upset later on.

They feel jilted.

....aaaaaand, I'm out. Called and canceled, while at the same time giving lengthy and polite explanations for WHY I was canceling. She solicited info about what channels I missed and tried to offer first 1 month and then two months free. She also offered that I could search for an artist using their 'test drive' application. I politely explained I had already used that site, post change, and that it pointed me to the channel that was my main reason for quitting...and that since I hadn't heard that artist on that station in over a month of two people listening, that it was a safe bet that Sirius XM no longer had a home for him and other artists in the same boat.

It's too bad...I really enjoyed this service a LOT.

I bet I could buy used XM equipment really cheap right now. ;-)

I bet I could buy used XM equipment really cheap right now. ;-)

But why would you want to?:rolleyes:

But why would you want to?:rolleyes:



Really. Might become a paperweight by February!:D

Everyone is griping about recent changes, but no one seems to acknowledge that this company and this technology are in big trouble.

Consider:

The company stock sits at 15 cents (yes cents) per share. This is off 96% from its high point in the last year. For comparison, the S&P 500 is down 40%....this company is in big trouble.

The company offers a wide range of products (channel formats), but most of them are available on OTA radio, especially in urban markets. The unique formats offered have a very narrow target audience.

This technology can not keep up with its own needs. The bandwidth required for all of these channels necessitates poor sound quality. This is a major problem with those interested in the music side of the product offering. This is the reason I got the service (expanded music during commute) and dropped it (poor sound quality).

Broadband OTA internet infrastructure is developing fast in urban areas, and will compete directly with this service, providing much more variety "free", as it will be included in your phone package. This will not solve the poor sound quality issue, but it will apples to apples with the current offerings. Considering phone packages are often company expenses, and these same people are a big percentage of commuters (thus satalite radio customers), this does not bode well.

My point is that this is a dying company and they know it. They must make major changes to their offering to be relevant in the future. As the car and mobile phone services merge (think gps), they need to be positioned to offer unique services. Their traffic tracking feature is a good example...

If you are unhappy with the recent changes, get out while you can. There has to be more and major changes forthcoming. If you like remaining on the "sharp edge" of technology and innovation, then stop complaining about having to buy expensive new gadgets and a monthly fee to keep up. This is the way that new technology works...

Everyone is griping about recent changes, but no one seems to acknowledge that this company and this technology are in big trouble.
You didn't by any chance happen to read the whole thread did you?

You didn't by any chance happen to read the whole thread did you?

Good point. Yes I did, and you are right to point this out. But I guess my point is that although we all know it is in trouble, we must expect major changes, and that is what we are getting. Whenever there is major change, someone who likes the current offering will not be happy.

Seriusly Screwed (http://www.siriuslyscrewed.com/) now says the National Day to Cancel is now off.

Seriusly Screwed (http://www.siriuslyscrewed.com/) now says the National Day to Cancel is now off.

Who cares? I'm an XM subscriber, however I pay month by month instead of the full year sum of $300 or so. The main point here is that XM/Sirius is in a serious debt situation and never forget the chance they may have to declare bankrupcy and liquidate. Do the subscribers who forked over up-front $300 get thier leftover money back in case the company folds? I believe no.

Who cares? I'm an XM subscriber, however I pay month by month instead of the full year sum of $300 or so. The main point here is that XM/Sirius is in a serious debt situation and never forget the chance they may have to declare bankrupcy and liquidate. Do the subscribers who forked over up-front $300 get thier leftover money back in case the company folds? I believe no.

Don't get mad at me, I'm just the messenger.:D

....aaaaaand, I'm out. Called and canceled... You couldn't wait just one more day & join in the national day of cancellation?

(shrug). XM radios are not going as cheap as I thought - around $75 on ebay. That's bad news for me, but good news for anyone wanting to get rid of their equipment.

I have now made the decision to drop XM once my yearly subscription is up (late this Spring). Since my main use of XM is at home, I looked into Streaming music via Internet. I have been reading about the SqueezeBox; and I like the fact that it is wireless, and the remote is hella cool. Once I have the cash to drop on a SqueezeBox system, I will not be looking back at SatRadio ever again... BUH-BYE!
XM/Sirius Merger = EPIC FAIL!

Good point. Yes I did, and you are right to point this out. But I guess my point is that although we all know it is in trouble, we must expect major changes, and that is what we are getting. Whenever there is major change, someone who likes the current offering will not be happy.
Sure, but their changes seem to have no rhyme or reason. They need to face the facts that people willing to pay for radio content is a niche market. They can increase that niche by catering to smaller niches to add to the size of their own, but they can't drop a few niches from their programming and expect not to lose a healthy chunk of subscribers.

What they need to do is drop the highest priced content as the contracts expire and use the fact that they are now one company that won't get into a bidding war with itself to try to renew some of those premium contracts at sustainable prices. They ought to have enough data over the past few years where they can accurately reflect the true value of those contracts. And it goes without saying that if they lose a good chunk of the single station only listeners now then lose Howard in a year or two they'll have nothing.

Meanwhile those lost customers probably aren't going to come back. It really speaks volumes that I can get free punk podcasts that are "low quality" and yet they are still double the bit-rate of what Fungus was broadcast at. Since Fungus was the first to be cut its probably the last to return as well. X-Country had a major outcry - more than I could see for Backspin and yet it isn't returning. I do wonder if the fact that Backspin was a Sirius channel and X-Country was XM has anything to do with this. I don't think Mel is willing to concede that XM was doing anything right.

You couldn't wait just one more day & join in the national day of cancellation?

(shrug). XM radios are not going as cheap as I thought - around $75 on ebay. That's bad news for me, but good news for anyone wanting to get rid of their equipment.

Actually, I forgot and thought yesterday WAS the day. Of course, I also heard that they had changed it to THREE days of cancellation, to prevent overwhelming the lines. Since they appear to have wussed out, it doesn't seem like it matters, either way.

I find it amusing that Sirius-XM suddenly decided that maybe this was more than three or four people complaining on the Internet. But then they offer this token statement reinstating a single channel and vague promises that maybe they'll fix some stuff. Maybe not. From SiriuslyScrewed:

"If you want a channel back which was blended like XM's Ethel or Fred it won't be making a comeback. The best thing you can do is contact programmers in charge of those merged stations and make suggestions. The unfortunate reality is that the service can't afford to program two channels which are 80% similar. However; I was assured your suggestions will be heard and used to tweak and update playlists."

I'm not sure how one could consider Fred to be "80% similar" to First Wave. Given that Fred supposedly had an on-air catalog of 2000 songs to FW's 400, I'd argue that's mathematically impossible. And since I don't see them firing their DJs or getting them to SHUT UP, I don't see any changes that are of value to me, personally.

I'm glad to hear that they're recognizing that there's a real problem...but I won't return unless I hear that the service resembles something I once enjoyed.

You couldn't wait just one more day & join in the national day of cancellation? (shrug).What's the difference what day someone does it?

What's the difference what day someone does it?

To make it clear how many people are unhappy, and so the publicized "spike" in cancellations is undeniable. Having worked in corporate enviroments for 20 years, the one thing I have learned is that upper-management are experts in deflecting blame; the high ranking idiots, who apprently get paid obscene wages to purposely tank companies, try to remain "teflon" by finding any other excuse for customer revolt: Economy, Infrastructure, Staff, Government. I mean seriously, how often do you see CEOs & VPs ever directly admit "Yes, I F#@ked up!"? By setting a date, and having everybody cancel at one time, the monkeys in the head office can't blame anyone but themselves.

I think that even if there wasn't a massive cancellation, all the people voicing their concerns will definitely have some impact. The economy is definitely going to wear on them though, because when it's time for people to cut expenses, satellite radio just doesn't rate up there with things like electricity and groceries.

Part of the larger problem here is in how they handled the changes - there's a responsibility to inform a customer if what they are paying for is going to change, even if that change is minor. Trying to sneak it in, as it seems they did, is bad customer relations all around, and something they hopefully will learn from in the future.

My point is that this is a dying company and they know it. They must make major changes to their offering to be relevant in the future. As the car and mobile phone services merge (think gps), they need to be positioned to offer unique services. Their traffic tracking feature is a good example...


Satellite radio could go the way of the CB Radio and other such toys in cars.

You mentioned the traffic services and merging with GPS devices. This, to me, seems like one area where they could have really accelled at but seem to have dropped the ball on. XM had a deal with Garmin for NavTraffic. I have the unit, it works really well (better than the FM Traffic alternative). I get in my car and usually by the time I make it off the corporate campus I have traffic info on my display. Garmin put this into 3-4 of their units a few years back and nothing else since. Granted, the external XM 'hockey puck' unit was a little weird, but it seemed like a good first step. Now Garmin is doing MSN Direct which from what I've read is really slow at updating (doesn't do you any good to get traffic conditions just as you pass through the center of town). It seemed to me that it'd be a good idea to just put the XM unit into the GPS and integrate them together so that you could access XM w/ NavTaffic + music + a GPS all in one compact device without the external hockey puck and extra wires running from it.

Anyway, it just seems like the logical next step and they dropped the ball on it.

The other thing that they seemed to have dropped the ball on was the small external receivers. Basically it was the little XM receiver cartridge deal that you could plug into home docking units and I think some portable units so that you could have one subscription and take this little card with you about the size of a CF card and plug it into other XM-ready devices that you wanted to use. I thought that was another great idea. Plug it into your home stereo and you get to see the XM radio information on your reciever. Pull it out and plug it into your car unit and it all just works. Seems like they should have taken that further and just started putting slots in the glove boxes for new cars for these XM receiver/carts. Instead, they kept building these throw-away receivers with new and kind of useless features (a color display? I don't get what that adds). The receivers themselves seemed to have that Radio Shack quality-look to them.

They've just dropped the ball a few times when it seems like they were on-track. Doesn't mean that they can't pick the ball up and start running again but I think it's unlikely. 18 months in regulatory limbo certainly hasn't helped them.

Has SIRI received a delisting notice from NASDAQ? Their stock has been below $1 for almost 3 months.

"How Delisting Works
The rules for delisting depend on the exchange and which listing requirement needs to be met. For example, on the Nasdaq, the delisting process is set in motion when a company trades for 30 consecutive business days below the minimum bid price (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/b/bidprice.asp) or market cap (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketcapitalization.asp). At this point, Nasdaq's Listing Qualifications Department will send a deficiency notice to the company, informing it that it has 90 calendar days to get up to standard in the case of the market value listing requirement or 180 calendar days if the issue is regarding the minimum bid price listing requirement. The minimum bid price requirement, which is $1, and the market value (http://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketvalue.asp) requirement (minimum $5 million, provided other requirements are met) are the most common standards that companies fail to maintain. Exchanges typically provide relatively little leeway with their standards because most healthy, credible public companies should be able to meet such requirements on an ongoing basis." http://www.investopedia.com/articles/02/032002.asp?viewed=1

Due to the recent turmoil in the markets NASDAQ has suspended this rule with a review due in January. Also the initial delisting only removes from the international trading board, you are still listed on the domestic board. All and all with the rule in effect Companies have about 12 months after they receive the notice before they are truly gone.

Laters,
Jeff

Look the only reason Sirius made it this far is all the listeners that Stern brought over in 2003 when he came to the company. Now he's got 2 years left and already saying this week he's not coming back, and that's if the company even makes it 2 more years which seems highly unlikely.

Look the only reason Sirius made it this far is all the listeners that Stern brought over in 2003 when he came to the company. Now he's got 2 years left and already saying this week he's not coming back, and that's if the company even makes it 2 more years which seems highly unlikely.
Stern has been saying he won't renew his contract for at least a decade now.

The other thing that they seemed to have dropped the ball on was the small external receivers. Basically it was the little XM receiver cartridge deal that you could plug into home docking units and I think some portable units so that you could have one subscription and take this little card with you about the size of a CF card and plug it into other XM-ready devices that you wanted to use. I thought that was another great idea. Plug it into your home stereo and you get to see the XM radio information on your reciever. Pull it out and plug it into your car unit and it all just works. Seems like they should have taken that further and just started putting slots in the glove boxes for new cars for these XM receiver/carts. Instead, they kept building these throw-away receivers with new and kind of useless features (a color display? I don't get what that adds). The receivers themselves seemed to have that Radio Shack quality-look to them.


Agreed 100%. I actually own the "Mini Tuner" chip-card thing. I have several AVRs at my house that are designed to work with it, and I have two antenna and docking stations for my two main listening areas; it works great beacause I only need one subscription. I was really hoping to get some sort of similar setup for my two Honda Pilots which both have "XM Ready" recievers, but they never manufactured the docking station; being forced to buy either the $1000 Honda module, or the $99 sounds-like-ass standalone, is just another one to add to the "deal killers" for XM with me.

Satellite radio could go the way of the CB Radio and other such toys in cars.

It seemed to me that it'd be a good idea to just put the XM unit into the GPS and integrate them together so that you could access XM w/ NavTaffic + music + a GPS all in one compact device without the external hockey puck and extra wires running from it.

Anyway, it just seems like the logical next step and they dropped the ball on it.



I have just this system on my Acura. XM built-in, with traffic integrated with my GPS. Works very well, except I commute to Baltimore, and they only have Washington DC traffic on the system right now. It also shows traffic accidents reported to the police in real time (including Baltimore). If it is on my route, it alerts me...and suggests a detour.

If they can continue to add innovative services, then perhaps internet access, video streaming, and other services could be in their future. Simple "pay radio" is just not going to cut it, but as part of a larger convenience package, they might have something.

Bubba re-signed this morning for two more years, and that was my major complaint for canceling.

He's back, censorship is dwindling down, and Back Spin is coming back. Over all now I'm just missing maxim, so I'm happy as a clam.

Bubba re-signed this morning for two more years, and that was my major complaint for canceling.

He's back, censorship is dwindling down, and Back Spin is coming back. Over all now I'm just missing maxim, so I'm happy as a clam.Same here, it's a great day in Bubba land. Now onto Bubbapalooza in the west coast! I'm a happy camper, not canceling. Reupping my one year sub, come 12/31

I have just this system on my Acura. XM built-in, with traffic integrated with my GPS. Works very well, except I commute to Baltimore, and they only have Washington DC traffic on the system right now. It also shows traffic accidents reported to the police in real time (including Baltimore). If it is on my route, it alerts me...and suggests a detour.

If they can continue to add innovative services, then perhaps internet access, video streaming, and other services could be in their future. Simple "pay radio" is just not going to cut it, but as part of a larger convenience package, they might have something.

One thing I always thought would be cool would be to have the Doplar Radar (they transmit this for the GPS/XM Aviation units) be shown on the GPS screen. I may be driving along on a freeway and, as of now, I'll get little popups like "Flood Warning" which is kind of useful but it's county-wide. If I could press a weather icon (on the Garmins they are these semi-tranparent icons that work really well) and have it toggle the radar overlapping the current map, that would be awesome. I could see if I were heading into it or driving away from it.

The gas prices, movie listings, etc. (Offered by MSN Direct) really don't do anything for me. I'm not going to drive out of my way to save $.04/gal on gas. I can use the internet to find movie listings or my phone.

FYI: The XM/NavTraffic deal works great in Atlanta. Gives you incidences and flow. Very nice.

It should be interesting to see how many Stern fans quit in the next couple of weeks. There are alot of 1 year subscriptions that are up for renewal (didn't Howard start on 1/9/06?) and alot of unhappy Howard fans. I wonder how many people will put their money where their mouths are.

It should be interesting to see how many Stern fans quit in the next couple of weeks. There are alot of 1 year subscriptions that are up for renewal (didn't Howard start on 1/9/06?) and alot of unhappy Howard fans. I wonder how many people will put their money where their mouths are.


not to many if any....

I doubt many Stern fans are going away until he does. It's funny if you go read the Stern sites many of the 'fans' say how they don't like his show much anymore etc, but they are obviously listening cause they know every in and out of the show from that day.

I don't understand the appeal of Howard Stern. He seems rather idiotic and his show is not very entertaining. (Like I want to hear a woman riding a sybian while I'm driving to work. Come on.)

I don't understand the appeal of Howard Stern. He seems rather idiotic...So is half the population of the United States these days, unfortunately.

I don't understand the appeal of Howard Stern. He seems rather idiotic and his show is not very entertaining. (Like I want to hear a woman riding a sybian while I'm driving to work. Come on.)

His show is a hell of a lot more then women riding the sybian.......:confused:

not to many if any....


I know you're a Howard fanboy. I was talking about most normal people who feel the show really has gone downhill.

DJs talking over my music is unacceptable. I gave up on local stations on the morning commute, 'cause one guy says something dumb & the other one laughs, right into the next song. "Just play the music, stupid."

but no one seems to acknowledge that this company and this technology are in big trouble.
There's a big difference between the company and the product. It's obvious the company is in big trouble. But is the product?

There are lots of companies out there with good products, just hampered by crushing debt and other problems. But the company can restructure into a profitable company once the current crop of share- and bondholders get shafted.

If SiriusXM were to fold tomorrow, would the radios all go dead? The satellites are still in the sky, the infrastructure is still there. Can nobody make a go of this? I don't know what the actual costs of providing the service are vs current revenues. Once you get rid of the debt and marketing, are they making any money?

I still think this is an amazing product. Much of the country is a radio wasteland. There are huge tracks where you can get stations that play both kinds of music - country and western. If you want talk radio - I hope you like hard-core conservatism, because that's what's out there. It seems like more and more stations are being taken over by religious broadcasters. Not a lot of choice out there for some people (including fans of country who live in areas where they can't get it, or conservatives who want to be assured they won't miss a minute of their heroes).

Meanwhile, Mel seems to think the way to build customers is to give Chris Russo $millions to build yet another sports talk show channel. Are there really folks out there thinking, "hmm, 3 broad-topic sports talk show channels plus several narrow-topic channels isn't enough. If only they had one more channel, then I'd sign up."

Kill the debt and the big contracts and I bet there's profit to be made.

I know you're a Howard fanboy. I was talking about most normal people who feel the show really has gone downhill.



Since you canceled some months ago because Stern sucked.!
maybe its time to move on and STOP being so consumed by everything Howard!

in other words,
go get a life!

If you want talk radio - I hope you like hard-core conservatism, because that's what's out there. It seems like more and more stations are being taken over by religious broadcasters. Not a lot of choice out there for some people (including fans of country who live in areas where they can't get it, or conservatives who want to be assured they won't miss a minute of their heroes).Why so bitter about conservative talk radio? Just cause the libs can't come up with a talent that can generate enough $ to stay on the air doesn't make it conservative talk radio's fault. Hope your not in favor of the fairness doctrine.

Since you canceled some months ago because Stern sucked.!
maybe its time to move on and STOP being so consumed by everything Howard!

in other words,
go get a life!

If you feel a need to keep attacking everyone I suggest you take it over to the Stern Fan Network. There are lots of kids over there you can play with. :rolleyes:

Why so bitter about conservative talk radio? Dude - you want to dial back the partisanship a bit? Sheesh.

I'm not bitter, I'm just stating the fact that there isn't a lot of choice out there in terrestrial radio, creating a market for satellite.

Dude - you want to dial back the partisanship a bit? Sheesh.

I'm not bitter, I'm just stating the fact that there isn't a lot of choice out there in terrestrial radio, creating a market for satellite.You brought it up.:D

Far-right conservative radio has it's counterpart - it's called Rap/Hip Hop stations. :D

If you feel a need to keep attacking everyone I suggest you take it over to the Stern Fan Network. There are lots of kids over there you can play with. :rolleyes:

So let me get this straight... you post that you wonder how many Stern fans will drop Sirius, mercury responds with his guess (not many) and you respond by childishly calling him a "Howard fanboy" and suggesting that he wasn't a normal person... and yet you have the nerve to accuse him of attacking you?!?

Oh, the irony. :rolleyes:


According to your own posts, you cancelled your Sirius subscription back in October. If this is really the case, why do you care at all what happens with SiriusXM? Why even post in this area at all?

So let me get this straight... you post that you wonder how many Stern fans will drop Sirius, mercury responds with his guess (not many) and you respond by childishly calling him a "Howard fanboy" and suggesting that he wasn't a normal person... and yet you have the nerve to accuse him of attacking you?!?

Oh, the irony. :rolleyes:


According to your own posts, you cancelled your Sirius subscription back in October. If this is really the case, why do you care at all what happens with SiriusXM? Why even post in this area at all?


Thank You.....

I just cancelled my Sirius, but I will miss Howard. He was a little bit better on terrestrial radio - when he had to skirt using the seven "dirty" words. I think his radio talks with his mother and father were really great! Some really funny shows! Really nice people, but Sirius bricked my Sportster 2 Replay because it did not conform to FCC regulations. I went so long without being able to listen ( without dropout of signal) that I decided I would just drop their service. I got used to not being able to hear it Properly. CRAP - it sucks! :mad:

Sirius bricked my Sportster 2 Replay because it did not conform to FCC regulations. What do you mean it was "bricked"? Why do you say it did not "conform" to regulations?

My bad - I meant Starmate 2.\ which transmits FM to radio with too much power.

Howard Stern..just quitting

The man's ego is way too big. He cant go back to terrestial radio as that would sell out his morals..at least by listening to him about the benefits of sat. radio

He may have to take a paycut..gulp, oh my

I love sat radio. there is no toher product like it out there ....they are talking a bit much for my liking on the music channels but it seems to be getting better last few days

The companies unfortunately were not run well...but I find it hard to believe it will not survive in some fashion

Either by a reorg. in bankruptcy or being sold/taken over and fixed by good business organization

Hmmm? Did SiriuslyScrewed change their mind? Or did SiriusXM Seriously screw them? Click the link...


http://www.siriuslyscrewed.com

Hmmm? Did SiriuslyScrewed change their mind? Or did SiriusXM Seriously screw them? Click the link...


http://www.siriuslyscrewed.com

wow..kinda get the idea they may have been forced to stop???

I cancelled a couple of weeks ago and love internet radio as the replacement.

Hmmm? Did SiriuslyScrewed change their mind? Or did SiriusXM Seriously screw them? Click the link...


http://www.siriuslyscrewed.com
They said the site would go dark after the new year.

If you ask me the whole thing could have been Sirius all along - push the day to cancel a few weeks back rather than do it immediately, then right before the day arrives officially announce a change of heart because Sirius listened by restoring 2 channels. Companies do this kind of guerrilla/faux grass roots crap all the time now so you never know.

wow..kinda get the idea they may have been forced to stop???

They weren't forced. They felt that their 'concerns were being heard' and so they said that after the 'two channels are coming back' announcement was made, they felt a protest was unnecessary.

CoreyM may be right in that it might have been a little bit of a shell game, given how sudden and 180 degrees their change was. On the other hand, they also posted that a lot of people disagreed with them when they called off the 'day to cancel' movement, so who can say?

Great, 2 channels came back. Meanwhile the XM subscribers who had the most damage done to their channels get to continue listening to crap programming and idiot DJs. yeah

Pat6366, dont worry. you still have O&A. that should be still intact

Pat6366, dont worry. you still have O&A. that should be still intact

Yes, and that is the only reason I have not cancelled.

I was in my friend's car yesterday and he had on a channel which was originally on Sirius (he's had XM), and even though it wasn't a station that I used to listen a lot, I don't ever recall hearing the amount of excessive yakking I heard on it yesterday.

So that makes me kind of suspect as to XM/Sirius adding more of it than there used to be on Sirius alone. It's possible it may just be part of their general, overall "commercialization" changes.

Has anyone who used to listen to most of the stations on Sirius more regularly when they were separate noticed this to be true, or was it just my perception? (Could've just been the time of day, too, I suppose. It was in the later afternoon, and I only listened to Sirius later at night before.)

Great, 2 channels came back. Meanwhile the XM subscribers who had the most damage done to their channels get to continue listening to crap programming and idiot DJs. yeah

pat i was trying to listen to deep tracks and heard the same amount of dj bs as on sirius 14 and 15....did deep tracks change.
?

pat i was trying to listen to deep tracks and heard the same amount of dj bs as on sirius 14 and 15....did deep tracks change.
?Maybe, I have not listened to DT since the change, but my guess is that if they think that babbling idiots are good on some channels then they are good on all channels.

During the day there is a lot more yakking on the stations I listen to.

Also the SQ seems to have taken a noticeable nosedive too, sometimes the 70's sounds really horrific now. And I've never been one to complain about SQ before.

Too bad.

During the day there is a lot more yakking on the stations I listen to.

Also the SQ seems to have taken a noticeable nosedive too, sometimes the 70's sounds really horrific now. And I've never been one to complain about SQ before.

Too bad.

On 20 on 20, they were pimping a new morning show with three "personalities"... quite a change for that channel...

So it looks like the fans were screwed by Sirius and Bubba The Love Sponge. This so called "new" contract is set to work like this:


Mon - Thurs: Sirius listeners will get to hear a rebroadcast of BTLS's local FM radio show in Tampa. Totally censored now.
Friday: Sirius listeners get a live show.
While I do understand the Bubba crew wanted more time with their families, I fault them for keeping fans in the dark and making us believe things would be as they would before this new year started. Sirius keeps hosing the listeners.

I have about a week left on my subscription to decide to pay up or dump. We'll see.

All I know is that the "merged" rock stations I listen to really stink. 1st Alternative can't hold a CANDLE to Fred, and Alternative Nation blows. Sirxmu has been downgraded, and Octane and Lithium are awful. The Verge is buried up in th eLatin/World music?

I know clearly remember why I chose XM over Sirius 5 years ago. Sirus music programmers solely know Top 40 in whatever "genre" they happen to to "programming" for.

and please? AC/DC all the time? Or Led Zep?

And the absence of Cinemagic is horrendous.

I am SO disappointed in the merger. How can I get Internet Radio in my car????

All I know is that the "merged" rock stations I listen to really stink. 1st Alternative can't hold a CANDLE to Fred, and Alternative Nation blows. Sirxmu has been downgraded, and Octane and Lithium are awful. The Verge is buried up in th eLatin/World music?

I know clearly remember why I chose XM over Sirius 5 years ago. Sirus music programmers solely know Top 40 in whatever "genre" they happen to to "programming" for.

and please? AC/DC all the time? Or Led Zep?

And the absence of Cinemagic is horrendous.

I am SO disappointed in the merger. How can I get Internet Radio in my car????


I'm using Slacker.

We really should start an alternatives to satellite radio thread.

But this sub forum isn't the place for it.

I understand Cinemagic is back now, but less (no?) dialogue between the scores.

I understand Cinemagic is back now, but less (no?) dialogue between the scores.

There is a loop on Sir 81 saying the Strobe will be on there Jan 15. Great..get Cinemagic for 5 days and now it's gone. I've been wanting that channel for a long time. WTF. :mad:

My bad - I meant Starmate 2.\ which transmits FM to radio with too much power. Yeah okay but what do you mean Sirius "bricked" it? And are they allowed to destroy personal property like that? Surely not. I'd sue them in small claims court.

Hmmm? Did SiriuslyScrewed change their mind? Or did SiriusXM Seriously screw them? Click the link...http://www.siriuslyscrewed.com The Supreme Court of the United States has ruled that sites such as paypalsucks.com or siriussucks.com are protected by the First Amendment guarantee of free speech. Therefore if Sirius-XM took over that private website, either through force or intimidation, they are in direct violation of a U.S. Government court ruling.

Bad. Don't piss off the 7 Supreme Justices. Bad idea Sirius-XM.

I wish there was more liberal talk shows on AM radio. Although I'm a "small government is more liberty"-type of guy, I still enjoy hearing the other side's viewpoints. His show is a hell of a lot more then women riding the sybian.......:confused: Like what?

Like what?


Haven't you heard? Howie has been telling everyone to cancel their subscriptions and his wife has been booking guests for the show. Artie has been vacationing... err... rehabbing at a hotel in Florida.

It can't get any more interesting than that! :D

Haven't you heard? Howie has been telling everyone to cancel their subscriptions and his wife has been booking guests for the show. Artie has been vacationing... err... rehabbing at a hotel in Florida.

It can't get any more interesting than that! :D



Since you canceled some months ago because Stern sucked.!
maybe its time to move on and STOP being so consumed by everything Howard!

in other words,
go get a life!

I don't get why people that cancelled their subscriptions would still be in this forum.

I'm new to satellite radio and love it. Most of the people complaining here sound like nitpickers that will never be happy. Their experiences with XM or Sirius were doomed from the start.

I don't get why people that cancelled their subscriptions would still be in this forum.

I'm new to satellite radio and love it. Most of the people complaining here sound like nitpickers that will never be happy. Their experiences with XM or Sirius were doomed from the start.
Maybe because we still have an investment in the equipment and hope that our cancellations will force them to restore the service they removed so our equipment isn't just sitting around useless?

Its great that you love it, I loved it too for the 2 or 3 years I had it. They had a great punk station on XM called Fungus and for someone like me in their mid-30s who doesn't get to go to shows all the time like I used to it was a great way to keep up with new bands and hear old favorites. Now that it is gone the majority of the artists played on Fungus are completely off satellite radio. The other stations I enjoyed were also entirely removed from XM or reprogrammed to where they barely resemble what they once were. The simple fact is I once had a single station I could leave it on all day and be happy. In the odd event I got bored there were 2-3 other stations that I could listen to for a few hours straight and be content, plus about 6 more stations that I could flip through if I just hated the songs on my go-to stations. I'm not going to pay for a service that has me constantly changing stations to find something I like, that's a waste of my time, and a distraction if I'm on the road or at work.

If Fungus came back on XM I would re-subscribe immediately.

I don't get why people that cancelled their subscriptions would still be in this forum.

I'm new to satellite radio and love it. Most of the people complaining here sound like nitpickers that will never be happy. Their experiences with XM or Sirius were doomed from the start.

:rolleyes: Yeah, I should have known when I got XM 7 years ago my experience was going to be 'doomed'.

I don't get why people that cancelled their subscriptions would still be in this forum.

I'm new to satellite radio and love it. Most of the people complaining here sound like nitpickers that will never be happy. Their experiences with XM or Sirius were doomed from the start.
Doomed from the start? How does that makes sense? I had a sub for 4 years and was quite happy, now it has turned into FM radio without commercials. So if it were doomed from the start, I should have known this would happen.:rolleyes:

Also, unfortunately I am a stockholder so when I drop my sub I will still stick around to see how happy/unhappy people are (until they go out of business).

I don't get why people that cancelled their subscriptions would still be in this forum.

I'm new to satellite radio and love it. Most of the people complaining here sound like nitpickers that will never be happy. Their experiences with XM or Sirius were doomed from the start.

I'm glad you like Sirius XM. I did too, once. Although you seem to be laboring under a misconception: many of us have been subscribers for YEARS. I got XM 5 years ago. I had multiple radios and subscriptions. I was an evangelist for the service. 'Doomed from the start' is about the opposite of what I was. I was incredibly happy with the service right until November, when I unceremoniously had the rug yanked out from under me and my family.

Why am I still here? Because my subscription is quarterly. And guess when it auto-renewed? Four days before the switch-over. Oh, I've canceled...but I'm still considered a subscriber. I'm not even certain the my 30 minutes of discussion with Sirius XM's customer service really canceled my account. I'll have to follow up with them.

But here's the kicker: if the problems I have with the service were to suddenly improve, I would resubscribe in a heartbeat. There has been some slight improvement in the last month...not enough, but hope springs eternal. If Sirius XM can fix those issues, they can have me back as a customer. THAT is why I'm still here.

You're new, so you don't know what's been lost. I dig that. But for those of us who liked Punk Rock, older Alternative, uncensored rap, kids programming, Ska or a host of other music formats, we are disenfranchised. You seem to think we don't like the service. You're wrong....we don't like the service NOW. It's not true that we could 'never be happy'. To the contrary, many of us were VERY happy as recently as three months ago. No one expects a reversal to what existed previously...but S-XM could be better than it is.

Hell, if they just would fix Fre....err, First Wave, then I'd re-up in a moment.

WizarDru, very well said, I agree 100%. I opted for XM three years ago due to its deeper playlists and now since its been "Sirius-ized" I no longer enjoy the service. I only listen to a few channels and everyone of them has been gutted: Deep Tracks, Boneyard (set to return?), Top Tracks, Squizz, etc. It seems as if the playlists have gone from 2000+ songs to 200 with the switch-over, mind you, they play the same types of music just not as many of them.
I think had Sirius been rolled into XM, Sirius customers would be happier than we are.

I just got my XM newsletter and apparently someone over there has been reading the forum, set to return Thurs. 1/15/09 are:

The Strobe-XM 83
Backspin-XM 65
The Boneyard-XM 53
Now, lets see if they return unmolested, esp. Boneyard!

More competition.....

AT&T to Compete With Sirius XM
Posted by SXMN on 12 January, 2009
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Announced last November, Cruisecast, a satellite-based in-car TV and radio service debuts at CES 2009.

AT&T Cruisecast is about to offer Sirius XM some competition. Announced last November, Cruisecast is a satellite-based in-car TV and radio service.

Working with veteran satellite RaySat Broadcasting Corp., AT&T’s Cruisecast utilizes a compact, low-profile antenna and a technology that overcomes line-of-sight obstacles such as overpasses, buildings, trees or tunnels.

CruiseCast, which makes its debut this spring, will initially offer a 22 channel lineup that will feature a variety of kids and family, documentary, music, comedy, news, and sports programming with channels that include Disney Channel, Toon Disney, Discovery Kids, Animal Planet, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network Mobile, USA, Comedy Central, MSNBC, CNN Mobile Live and CNBC. In addition, 20 satellite radio music channels will also be available at the launch and the service has the ability to add channels.

The hardware won’t come cheap. The MSRP has been set at $1,299, plus the monthly subscription fee will be around $28.

In addition to its satellite radio offerings, Sirius XM also has an in-car TV service called Sirius Backseat TV, which currently offers three channels — Nickelodeon, the Disney Channel and Cartoon Network Mobile — for $6.99 per month.

More competition.....

AT&T to Compete With Sirius XM
Posted by SXMN on 12 January, 2009
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Announced last November, Cruisecast, a satellite-based in-car TV and radio service debuts at CES 2009.

AT&T Cruisecast is about to offer Sirius XM some competition. Announced last November, Cruisecast is a satellite-based in-car TV and radio service.

Working with veteran satellite RaySat Broadcasting Corp., AT&T’s Cruisecast utilizes a compact, low-profile antenna and a technology that overcomes line-of-sight obstacles such as overpasses, buildings, trees or tunnels.

CruiseCast, which makes its debut this spring, will initially offer a 22 channel lineup that will feature a variety of kids and family, documentary, music, comedy, news, and sports programming with channels that include Disney Channel, Toon Disney, Discovery Kids, Animal Planet, Nickelodeon, Cartoon Network Mobile, USA, Comedy Central, MSNBC, CNN Mobile Live and CNBC. In addition, 20 satellite radio music channels will also be available at the launch and the service has the ability to add channels.

The hardware won’t come cheap. The MSRP has been set at $1,299, plus the monthly subscription fee will be around $28.

In addition to its satellite radio offerings, Sirius XM also has an in-car TV service called Sirius Backseat TV, which currently offers three channels — Nickelodeon, the Disney Channel and Cartoon Network Mobile — for $6.99 per month.

too little and too much

too little and too much

Agreed..But this is just the 1st salvo.

This AT&T deal is alarming for those of us who prefer diverse music over branded content. Seems like more fuel to the high contract bidding, exclusivity game.

It's overpriced, limited, etc. But you got to admit this ATT deal sounds fascinating. The technology that overcomes line-of-sight obstacles itself sounds amazing.

Since you canceled some months ago because Stern sucked.!
maybe its time to move on and STOP being so consumed by everything Howard!

in other words,
go get a life!



Why are you so consumed with me? It's time for *you* to get a life, fanboy, and mind your own business.

BTW, you don't exactly need to subscribe to hear the show. Ever hear of the internet? :rolleyes:

It's overpriced, limited, etc. But you got to admit this ATT deal sounds fascinating. The technology that overcomes line-of-sight obstacles itself sounds amazing.

IF it works as advertised. But at $1300 MSRP, it's going to be years before it's a viable solution for the average consumer. Plus it has to compete with much less expensive options, like iPods and in-car DVD players. I'm guessing (since it's AT&T) that it's going to use the 3G network or a similar cell technology to deliver the signal.

BTW, you don't exactly need to subscribe to hear the show. Ever hear of the internet? :rolleyes:

Are you saying you're stealing the content now instead of paying for it? The last time I checked, the only legal way to hear the show is to subscribe to Sirius...

Are you saying you're stealing the content now instead of paying for it? The last time I checked, the only legal way to hear the show is to subscribe to Sirius...


I guess you've never downloaded a song, video or photo from the internet that you didn't pay for?

The 12 year old fanboys are running thick around here. :rolleyes:

Pirating and illegal downloading talk isn't allowed here. I think that was his point.

I guess you've never downloaded a song, video or photo from the internet that you didn't pay for?

The 12 year old fanboys are running thick around here. :rolleyes:

So you are stealing the content now. Thanks for the clarification.

So you are stealing the content now. Thanks for the clarification.



give up and just throw out the trash.

give up and just throw out the trash.




Nice talking with you guys. :rolleyes:

I don't get why people that cancelled their subscriptions would still be in this forum.

I'm new to satellite radio and love it. Most of the people complaining here sound like nitpickers that will never be happy. Their experiences with XM or Sirius were doomed from the start.

I was a subscriber for 5 years, cancelled last week. They gave me three free months on one receiver, so I am running on fumes:D
My wife will use it, then I'll cancel. The music has changed since the change and the sound quality is really, really bad! Sounds like AM!!!
Got Iphone two weeks ago and tried Pandora (and now Slacker). WoW!! Sounds 3 x better.
XM/Sirius will be out of business soon. Why pay $13 a month when with an Iphone, you can get a data plan which gives you internet and music that sounds sooooo much better???

I was a subscriber for 5 years, cancelled last week. They gave me three free months on one receiver, so I am running on fumes:D
My wife will use it, then I'll cancel. The music has changed since the change and the sound quality is really, really bad! Sounds like AM!!!
Got Iphone two weeks ago and tried Pandora (and now Slacker). WoW!! Sounds 3 x better.
XM/Sirius will be out of business soon. Why pay $13 a month when with an Iphone, you can get a data plan which gives you internet and music that sounds sooooo much better???


because the Iphone is a POS;)

Yeah okay but what do you mean Sirius "bricked" it? And are they allowed to destroy personal property like that? Surely not. I'd sue them in small claims court.

The same thing happened to my Starmate 2. Somehow the signal from the satellite is difficult to read now. We can get the signal from the terrestrial repeater ok but if you're driving around in your car listening to a station the signal level from the satellite will go up and then dropout, up and dropout, again and again causing the "acquiring signal" message to display across the screen and essentially making the radio unlistenable.

As much as I would love to get some sort of satisfaction for what they did, theres no way to prove that they did anything, despite almost all the starmate 2 users whose units have the strong FM transmitter having the problem and it happening at about the time all these "channel updates" went on. It's not as if SIRIUS is gonna disclose that they modified their signal to make it incompatible with older radios, or targeted certain radios with an update that made it incompatible with the satellite stream.

If indeed it could be proven that they did do what they did, they would definately be open to a class action lawsuit.

So you are stealing the content now. Thanks for the clarification.

Man, too many people on this board get their pants in a twist over nothing. Its not as if they're so pious as to have never done anything questionable themselves.

Man, too many people on this board get their pants in a twist over nothing. Its not as if they're so pious as to have never done anything questionable themselves.

You're not seriously trying to justify ti-triodes's admitted theft of the content, are you? I fail to see how what he's doing is "questionable" in any way - it's stealing, plain and simple.

it's stealing, plain and simple.

Actually it is copyright infringement. If it was stealing then the company would be missing those shows. However, neither is the "moral" path.

Does it really matter...as I said it isnt as if anyone else hasnt done anything wrong. If you've ever gone even one mile over the speed limit you've broken the law. If you've crossed the street where there wasnt a crosswalk, you've jaywalked. If you've flicked a cigarette butt out the window of your car...you've littered.

The severety of the action is of no consequence...the point is no one should be getting all huffy and thumbing their nose down at anyone like some seem to do here when everyone has done something wrong at some point.

Its great that you love it, I loved it too for the 2 or 3 years I had it. They had a great punk station on XM called Fungus and for someone like me in their mid-30s who doesn't get to go to shows all the time like I used to it was a great way to keep up with new bands and hear old favorites. Now that it is gone the majority of the artists played on Fungus are completely off satellite radio. The other stations I enjoyed were also entirely removed from XM or reprogrammed to where they barely resemble what they once were. The simple fact is I once had a single station I could leave it on all day and be happy. In the odd event I got bored there were 2-3 other stations that I could listen to for a few hours straight and be content, plus about 6 more stations that I could flip through if I just hated the songs on my go-to stations. I'm not going to pay for a service that has me constantly changing stations to find something I like, that's a waste of my time, and a distraction if I'm on the road or at work.

If Fungus came back on XM I would re-subscribe immediately.

I'm totally with you on Fungus. Faction is no substitute--too poppy and WAY too much talk. I used to be able to listen to Punk or Fungus all day long without touching the radio. Now I have to change the channel every 3 or 4 songs. Really just not the same. My XM sub expires on Feb 9. I'm calling Feb 8 to cancel and let them know EXACTLY why I'm canceling.

I'm not biased in this--I've subscribed to Sirius for 5 years and XM for 3 years. I really like the diversity in programming and styles achieved by having two separate systems. That's gone now. Too bad. No need to subscribe to both any more.

-Glen

Actually it is copyright infringement. If it was stealing then the company would be missing those shows.
Splitting hairs. The company's not missing the shows, but it's missing revenue from the shows because those who should be paying for it are getting it for free. Let's see - I know there's a word for when someone takes something for free that they're supposed to pay for... what is it again? Oh yeah - "stealing."

Just to clear this up, here are a couple of Merriam-Webster's definitions of the word "steal":

* to take or appropriate without right or leave and with intent to keep or make use of wrongfully
* to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice

Sounds like they fit the current situation pretty well, no?
However, neither is the "moral" path.
Agreed.

Does it really matter...as I said it isnt as if anyone else hasnt done anything wrong. If you've ever gone even one mile over the speed limit you've broken the law. If you've crossed the street where there wasnt a crosswalk, you've jaywalked. If you've flicked a cigarette butt out the window of your car...you've littered.

The severety of the action is of no consequence...the point is no one should be getting all huffy and thumbing their nose down at anyone like some seem to do here when everyone has done something wrong at some point.

In other words, you are seriously trying to justify ti-triodes's admitted theft of the content. Thanks for clearing that up.