Has anyone tested this new unit out yet from Buttkicker? I am thinking of buying it but wanted some opinions.

Thanks!

No one???

I did. Installed it an hour ago. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

On Batman Dark Night at 1:16 when they transport Dent, OMG!!!!!!!!!!

How cow this thing is awesome. When the Tumbler slides the whole couch really gives it to you.

So, it bolted it directly to my couch so it is totally invisible. fantastic!!! mother in law didn't want to get off the couch. Can't wait for my wife to get home!!

mother in law didn't want to get off the couch.

creepy...and compelling... ;)

Actually I'm wondering if this is any faster than the buttkicker 2, I'm hoping it might be more subtle as well....

I am unsure about speed. But it seems to punch the couch at the same time the subwoofer pushes.

My only real issue this far I found with Doomsday. The audio mix during battle scenes is strong, you feel the mix and the explosions. I can see where dBox wouldn't have this problem. But for the price of the BKA300, I don't care.

I am unsure about speed. But it seems to punch the couch at the same time the subwoofer pushes.

My only real issue this far I found with Doomsday. The audio mix during battle scenes is strong, you feel the mix and the explosions. I can see where dBox wouldn't have this problem. But for the price of the BKA300, I don't care.

I have had difficulty finding specs. How low does this new model go and is it an upgrade to the BK LFE?

Seems like a reasonable price for buttkicker/amp/wireless adapter/couch plate!!!

I have two Butkicker LFEs and I have already a monster sub system...I barely have the buttkicker amp past 1/4 to just give the extra sensation.

BTW, the Dark Night is the worst of all the new movies from great bass.

The manual says it will go as low as 5hz if that helps.

The manual says it will go as low as 5hz if that helps.

Helps indeed! One last thing does it have any kind of xover or does it rely on bass mgt from your receiver? Sometimes shakers in general can be distracting if playing too high up in frequency.

No crossover at all. It does have a remote with 3 presets. Movie which takes 25hz and outputs to the transducer what it gets, music which adds +6db to 25hz and game which subtracts -6db from 25hz. And of course volume. I don't know abou the previous model so I am sorry if this is common knowledge.

The led on the amp is bright as hell. Gonna put electrical tape over it.

I have the Buttkicker amp setup in my Harmony remote. So its all good now!!! Back to one remote.

No crossover at all. It does have a remote with 3 presets. Movie which takes 25hz and outputs to the transducer what it gets, music which adds +6db to 25hz and game which subtracts -6db from 25hz. And of course volume. I don't know abou the previous model so I am sorry if this is common knowledge.

The led on the amp is bright as hell. Gonna put electrical tape over it.

I have the Buttkicker amp setup in my Harmony remote. So its all good now!!! Back to one remote.

Thanks for the info. I was kinda interested before but it seems like they have winner with this new version. Might just have to try one out.

I was wondering if any of you who have tried the BKA300 on hardwood floors? Does the product rattle the floor at all??

Originally I assembled it the way they suggest and there was no rattling at all on my hard wood floors.

I'm thinking purchasing this system but was wondering if it will be compatible with my current set up. I have a reciever that does not have a sub-woofer out. And I have a Polk PSW10 sub connected through speaker line inputs from my Front Polk Monitor 40s. How would I go about connecting the BKA300???

Oh yeah my sofa is a small $149 Ikea love seat! Will this thing destroy my furniture? haha...

It comes with an adapter to convert the negative and positive wires into RCA for use with the BK300A Amplifier. Maybe you can connect it in "series" to the subwoofer using the Polk Monitor 40s. Or use either the left or right output from the PSW10 and with the positive/negative Y-RCA cable and that should work too.

And it will be great on the love seat. at $149, who cares if it falls apart. Buy another, but I am sure it will be fine.

so, the couch leg just sits on the platform of the buttkicker, right? I have an expensive 3 piece sectional, so I am trying to figure out how to make this work...

Any tips?

Yep, it sits under one leg and all the others are raised with these little 1" rubber lifts. Make NO mistake, the whole couch will feel it, but whomever sits closer to the leg with the transducer will get SIGNIFICATNLY greater vibrations. That is why I flipped the couch and screwed it to the middle of the back.

Yep, it sits under one leg and all the others are raised with these little 1" rubber lifts. Make NO mistake, the whole couch will feel it, but whomever sits closer to the leg with the transducer will get SIGNIFICATNLY greater vibrations. That is why I flipped the couch and screwed it to the middle of the back.

I ordered one and it will be here on the 31st. Can you elaborate on screwing into the middle of the back I don't quite understand?

I will snap a pic and post it later!!!!

I will snap a pic and post it later!!!!

Cool thanks!

As you can see, my cell phone camera, picture taking skillz suck!!!

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I did. Installed it an hour ago. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

On Batman Dark Night at 1:16 when they transport Dent, OMG!!!!!!!!!!

How cow this thing is awesome. When the Tumbler slides the whole couch really gives it to you.

So, it bolted it directly to my couch so it is totally invisible. fantastic!!! mother in law didn't want to get off the couch. Can't wait for my wife to get home!!

I hooked mine up last night and tried that very scene- NICE! I like it and was pleasantly surprised that it does shake the whole couch. It has plenty of power and I have not found the limits as of yet. I turned it down more than up if anything to try and get a nice blend cause there are certain parts where it will be too much and other parts where it's just right. Then you have to factor in that it splits off the LFE so for my case whatever Audyssey is doing to my subs it also does to the shaker. I have some more experimentation to do but so far I definitely like it more with it than without it. On another note with music (although not my intended use) I put on a song by Maxwell where there is a sick bass guitar solo and it feeling it with the Buttkicker in the mix took it to another level!

I have a SVS PB12+ x2 1,000 watt Bash amp 12.3 series.
I shake my dedicated HT room, but with my Rti series polk speakers still feel a tiny bit of machine gun mid bass emptiness unless I CRANK it. Wife usually comes down and gives me the look... the house is coming apart.

Im wanting to combo Big Sub and Buttkickers...any comments ?

I'm considering ordering Buttkickers to compliment my SVS.
I read the post, wow ! factor in adding the LFE buttkicker.
I wish I could demo one.
I have 6 theatre seats to look after.

Could I Feel the machine guns, without CRANKING the Rti8 fronts ?

CSI5 centre, Fxi5 surrounds and Rti6 rear surrounds. Yamaha 6190 receiver.
BDP 51fd, AE3000 pj(2.35:1). Da-lite Hp.
I am going to pick up a pair of Rti10's this afternoon to see if that could add a bit of 160 to 200 hz punch to the room.(over the rti8's) 8's will be for sale.

Any Buttkicker / subwoofer combo user comments or info to add ?

If you want the effect of subwoofers all around attempting to blow up a building, then a transducer like the Buttkicker is for you. Since it has its own 300 Watt BASH amp, you can do whatever you want!! The amp is also designed to daisy chain more Buttkicker BASH amps for more transducers.

I finally got around to installing my BKA1000 amp and two LFE's last night. I watched some Cloverfield and the effect was awesome. I actually caught myself feeling some anxiety because the effect was making me think the volume was cranked too high and I might disturb the neighbors. :D
Anyway I have more testing to do but so far a big thumbs up.

Would you say it would give the effect of relacing the floor standing sub or just compliments it. I know I could adjust the volume, but I thought ?? feeling one directly through my HT seat and one filling the room may give a More Complete sensation of the different freq. ?? Just a thought ? and MOST important.. can they blend well, not feel like 2 subs, but one sound or senssation in unity ? I guess is my main Q?

Everyone seems to have such High reviews of these.
What is the TOP model for Home Theatre.
Are these designed for don't disturb the neighbours set ups ? Or is that just a side bonus ?

You definitely want to use a sub with the shakers for the full effect, I think thats what is recommended. I am using the lowest crossover setting 40hz, letting the buttkickers handle the low stuff and letting my sub (HSU STF3) handle the audible stuff. This seemed to work really well, when I watched cloverfield only the lowest booms activated the buttkickers. When I had Aura shakers I didn't have the equipment to cross them over really low and I wasn't happy. I'll give the Aura's another try in my media room some day but these buttkickers seem to be in another league.

Are these designed for don't disturb the neighbours set ups ? Or is that just a side bonus ?


Both!

I have an incredible sub system and I do not need buttkickers to feel down into single digits but sometimes we have to run the HT room a lower volumes and the buttkickers help give that very low frequency.

Even at higher SPL where my subs are incredible I like the added low end rumble of my seats during certain scenes. I have my crossover on my BK amp set really low so I only feel the buttkicker once in awhile. I believe I have the prefect setup now except I want to machine some better buttkicker plates. Wider to cover two chairs instead.

When I had Aura shakers I didn't have the equipment to cross them over really low and I wasn't happy. I'll give the Aura's another try in my media room some day but these buttkickers seem to be in another league.

Yeah the Aura shakers only go down to 20Hz, the buttkickers go down to 5Hz!!

Kind of pointless to have shakers that only do 20Hz ;)

Thanks guys.
I'm heading out this minute to get the 1000 wt amp and 4 units, to test on my 4 front seats..If I like I'll go back for the rear row of seats.
I see them at Home depot. ? Of all places.?
I'll be back in a few hours to chime in my results/opinions.
Going to try Planet of the Apes Blu-ray.

Yeah the Aura shakers only go down to 20Hz, the buttkickers go down to 5Hz!!

Kind of pointless to have shakers that only do 20Hz ;)

I ran some test tones both with Audyssey engaged and without to eliminate any inconsistencies. This applies for the newest Buttkicker with the new Bash amp. The transducer is clearly not happy at 10hz or 12.5hz for that matter however it is very strong from 15hz on up. Below 15hz it did't bottom as I eased up because you can clearly hear the tranducer in operation instead of just the feeling as normal. I still like it and it is extremely easy to hook (love the wireless interface) and they include EVERYTHING you need :) Curious if anyone has measured the other BKs to determine if they actually do 5hz? Not a deal breaker for me and will probably order another.

Everyone seems to have such High reviews of these.
What is the TOP model for Home Theatre.
Are these designed for don't disturb the neighbours set ups ? Or is that just a side bonus ?

The TOP that I know of for home theater is D-BOX unless you meant out of just the Buttkicker offerings.

The TOP that I know of for home theater is D-BOX unless you meant out of just the Buttkicker offerings
..
Thanks..
I meant out of buttkicker...I now mean Best Period.

I just got home from Future shop and Home depot.. No buttkickers.
FS said they were a novelty item that didn't sell very well. ??
I did get a pair of Rti10's to replace my Rti8's for fronts.

Where can I get A GOOD Buttkicker/chair shaker.. on line ?
I want the best.

Crowson TES 100 vs Buttkicker ?

any user comments ?

I've heard some complain of lag or delay in bass response compared to the running sub ?
improper install ?
Or just a rare movie track ?

Crowson TES 100 vs Buttkicker ?

any user comments ?

I've heard some complain of lag or delay in bass response compared to the running sub ?
improper install ?
Or just a rare movie track ?

Widescreen review did a review that included the two above and another one from I believe Totem if you wanna do a search. They did speak favorably of the Crowson when combined with the Buttkicker's amplifier.

Seems all the review look favourable.
Q. Does it matter if I attatch this to my chair leg, or to a sturdy wood frame portion near the lower back of the chairs.

My seating has 3 chairs attatched with brackets row one and two chairs attatched row two. For 5 seats total.

I was thinking 1000wt amp and 4-5 kickers bolted to lower rear of La z boy HT seating.
They have a large hollow in the rear to hide everything. and running wires so they're hidden is easy for my set up.

Curious if anyone has measured the other BKs to determine if they actually do 5hz? Not a deal breaker for me and will probably order another.

What??? the specs are lying ;)

I actually did not test my buttkickers to 5Hz. I just know they are better then the aura shakers because I compared both.

Q. Does it matter if I attatch this to my chair leg, or to a sturdy wood frame portion near the lower back of the chairs??

Does it have a localized feel, or have the chair react differently by placement of the transducer?
ie; feel it more in your back rather than seat ?

I am also in Ottawa and was very frustrated with my inability to find anywhere in Canada to buy the Buttkicker. Last year when the dollar hit parity I jumped on it and ordered the LFE kit and Gamer from Buttkicker Direct. Using a coupon code that can be found pretty easily via google you can save a lot of $$$ compared to the listed price. I started out using the couch mounting plate that comes with the kit but in the end I opened up my couch and screwed it directly to a 5X7 board I now have running the length of the couch. I find the effect is enhanced having it mounted this way and I don't need to turn the Buttkicker amp up as far. I am very pleased with the purchase!

I must also say that their customer service and support are absolutely second to none.

Can anyone compare the performance of buttkicker to Crowson.
Can a Crowson be installed inside a seat similar to Buttkicker ?
They say they the mount under a chair leg and use the floor to push against for movement/vibration... and.. that they are superior to "shaker" type vibrators.
I see they cost more.

I think i'm going Buttkicker NObody seems to be the Popular vote as 90% of everyone goes Buttkicker and is happy.
Earthquake may set the chair on fire. Run HOT.
Crowson is hard to get a hold of, and nobody claims they are tops!
But kickers less than half $ of crowson or Earthquake just as bonus. when your in the market for 5 units.

I Beam.. uh oh, new product with highest raves, as High Definition Bass.
Most Powerful pounds thrust per watt to date, easy in chair install.
they reccomend High freq setting 20-500hz?
low power requirements to drive them.
No low end response, but Super Fast, super detailed. no roll on after a scene, etc..
?
Cost double over buttkicker though.
similar to crowson price wise, more thump, similar speed and accracey, from what I read.

Has anyone mounted a unit in a non-traditional place i.e. not under a seat?

I only have one seat heavy enough for a butt kicker and the othe seat is very lightly built but I would still like some movement in it's area. Would I rig something to the floor or wall?

Worth $299?

Do I want the BKA300 for $300 or is the LFE Kit a nice upgrade for $400. This whole thing is sort of confusing lol.

The unnatural delay concerns are a big problem for me personally

The unnatural delay concerns are a big problem for me personally

Which ones have you had this experience with?

none... i never had them just from reading reviews

none... i never had them just from reading reviews

If there is one, my wife and I haven't noticed it. Maybe my butt-o-meter isn't as sensitive as the reviewers.

none... i never had them just from reading reviews

lol, then why post it as truth?? Honestly reviews are useless because people in general are kind of usless in terms of giving someone else answers ONLY because our setups (rooms and equipment) and our senses are all EXTREMELY different.

Reviews are simply people telling what color they like, someone likes red, someone else likes blue.

Buy the product, test it, enjoy it or return it.

IMO, Buttkickers rock!! AND I do have a sub setup that is worth probably $10K comercially.

Is this a new product from Buttkicker. It is not listed on the web page?

Is this a new product from Buttkicker. It is not listed on the web page?

Yes,the only information that I was able to find on it was at Amazon.

cnet isnt exactly "dsicriminating" reviewers and they complained about a bad delay ha... they are so non-dsciriminating that they gave the polk psw10 a best of the year award a couple years back

Worth $299?

Do I want the BKA300 for $300 or is the LFE Kit a nice upgrade for $400. This whole thing is sort of confusing lol.

Buttkicker LFE kit on eBay cheap less than the 299 your talking about.
guy has 10 units.

Buttkicker Lag from what I understand is Minimal that only fussy people like me may notice.
Faster, more high end transducers produce marginal performance improvement, for more than marginal dollars.
ie; 10%-30% performance increase = 100% more money. Earthquake 300% cost increase.
Crowson 250% cost increase.. etc.. IBeam, by Sonic Imersion. and so on.
For me.. I want the best I can find..not D-Box
But for the Money Buttkickers are likely the Best over-all performace for dollar product.
Not many will argue that.

Buttkicker LFE kit on eBay cheap less than the 299 your talking about.
guy has 10 units.

Where??

I have checked many times and its always 399 + shipping...

Has anyone ever NOT decoupled chair/couch from the floor on purpose to get addiction floor movement?

Can the mini or gamer BK be daisy chained onto the full size unit for use on a smaller chair?

http://cgi.ebay.com/BUTTKICKER-BK-LFE-POWERED-TRANSDUCER-SUBSONIC-SUBWOOFER_W0QQitemZ200295875734QQihZ010QQcategoryZ14973QQssP ageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

349
but 124 for additional LFE units.
Home theatre shop.. direct dealer on ebay.

There is a guy @ 275 but.. I can't find it now ?
They were removed from a arcade though(used)

I have been using tactile transducers for over 10 years.

I started out with an array of 8 RBH FX-80's. (ultra high performance Aura units)
I used these for about a year and replaced the array with a pair of Clark Synthesis TST 329 Gold models and then stepped up to their TST 429 Platinums. I used these for about a year as well.
For a brief period I installed four Crowsen Tech TES-100's when they were released.

When I moved on to the Original ButtKickers I started driving each pair with Carvin DCM-1000 amps bridged mono. This was before the release of the BK amplifier.
I couldn't handle the fan noise so I picked up a pair of convection cooled Crown K2's and have been using them to drive my BK's ever since.

At one point I have driven a single Buttkicker with a bridged K2 (2500 W bridged mono into 4 ohms) and they always stayed cool to the touch. I have never had one bottom out. I have also used subharmonic synthesizers on their signal.

The original ButtKickers outperform all the models I have used in the past and I have never had a problem with any unit.
I used the BK's in conjunction with a pair of Velodyne HGS18's. I now use a pair of Epik Conquests in my theater with the BK's.

I don't have experience with the ButtKicker LFE yet. I have had one for over six months and haven't hooked it up. I have some Berkline theater recliners on the way and will be testing it inside one with the BK conversion kit.

John

Original BK sitting next to the BK LFE.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/BUTTKICKERS031.jpg

You can get the kit for 320 direct from BK with shipping... I can't afford them now but am scared the coupon code will run out

I have been using tactile transducers for over 10 years.

I started out with an array of 8 RBH FX-80's. (ultra high performance Aura units)
I used these for about a year and replaced the array with a pair of Clark Synthesis TST 329 Gold models and then stepped up to their TST 429 Platinums. I used these for about a year as well.
For a brief period I installed four Crowsen Tech TES-100's when they were released.

When I moved on to the Original ButtKickers I started driving each pair with Carvin DCM-1000 amps bridged mono. This was before the release of the BK amplifier.
I couldn't handle the fan noise so I picked up a pair of convection cooled Crown K2's and have been using them to drive my BK's ever since.

At one point I have driven a single Buttkicker with a bridged K2 (2500 W bridged mono into 4 ohms) and they always stayed cool to the touch. I have never had one bottom out. I have also used subharmonic synthesizers on their signal.

The original ButtKickers outperform all the models I have used in the past and I have never had a problem with any unit.
I used the BK's in conjunction with a pair of Velodyne HGS18's. I now use a pair of Epik Conquests in my theater with the BK's.

I don't have experience with the ButtKicker LFE yet. I have had one for over six months and haven't hooked it up. I have some Berkline theater recliners on the way and will be testing it inside one with the BK conversion kit.

John

Original BK sitting next to the BK LFE.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/BUTTKICKERS031.jpg

Hey John is that just a piece of plywood your couch is sitting on? Do you have rubber isolation feet under that? That seems like a quick and painless application to couple individual recliners. Also what kind of subharmonic synthesizer?

Hey John is that just a piece of plywood your couch is sitting on? Do you have rubber isolation feet under that? That seems like a quick and painless application to couple individual recliners. Also what kind of subharmonic synthesizer?

Yes that is a 3/4" piece of plywood. I have isolation feet attached. It is temporary. Right now I have the 4' x4' x 3/4" platform resting on two 4' strips of auralex platfoam rails. (http://www.truesoundcontrol.com/products/PLATFM.html)

John

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/BUTTKICKERS013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/blonzz/THEATERONE006.jpg

http://www.truesoundcontrol.com/images/products/PLATFM.jpg

Thanks for the info. Just for clarification are the isolation feet temporary or the Auralex platform rails?

That is such a good idea... too bad those pads cost as much as the buttkicker

Thanks for the info. Just for clarification are the isolation feet temporary or the Auralex platform rails?

I haven't decided what I will be using on the new platform.. I will be constructing a permanent platform for a row of 3 Berkline 45094 theater recliners. They should be delivered in a few days. I will be using 4 original BK's spaced out on top.

John

John..Are You saying Buttkickers are better performers than Crowsons TES100's ?
And Clark's too ??

How can this be ? Crowsons are faster, more accurate.. are they less powerful ? Impact ?
Can you elaborate please ?
If you have actually used these to compare you are the guy I'm wanting to ask.
Thanks.
I'm about to pull the trigger on 5 earthquakes10.0 or 7 Crowsons... and of course a amp.
BK1000 likely.

John..Are You saying Buttkickers are better performers than Crowsons TES100's ?
And Clark's too ??

How can this be ? Crowsons are faster, more accurate.. are they less powerful ? Impact ?
Can you elaborate please ?
If you have actually used these to compare you are the guy I'm wanting to ask.
Thanks.
I'm about to pull the trigger on 5 earthquakes10.0 or 7 Crowsons... and of course a amp.
BK1000 likely.

He has the original Buttkickers, I'm sure there have been a lot of watered down revisions. I tried a Buttkicker Gamer which IMO sucked compared to Aura shakers or the BKA 300. Besides that, in the link he provided he said he was only using them from 20hz on down I would take displacement for the win.

Gottcha..
Anyone try a I Beam from Sonic Immersion ?
or a Earthequale 10.0 ?

I have a pair of LFE's @ 2 ohms on the BKA1000... They are a must have in any 5.1,6.1 and 7.1 system.

Steve

I'm about to pull the trigger on 5 earthquakes10.0 or 7 Crowsons... and of course a amp.
BK1000 likely.

I assume you have found & read this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=841019

Thanks.. good info.
I'm reading Earthquake MOST potent, then BK, then Crowson is not even in same league.
Some say earthquake gets hot and customer service iffy?
The I Beam looks a lot like a viable option.
the dealer who carries BK and I Beam (AV deals) says I Beam just Slightly, more powerful and responsive than BK, but at nealy double the money.
?
Boy.. I wish someone around here had a demo set up.

Boy.. I wish someone around here had a demo set up.

Not as useful or convenient as a showroom demo but if you want to make the trip to Stittsville I will gladly give you a demo of my Buttkicker setup. My home theater is anything but elaborate:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=933781&highlight=edcwhite

but I do have a one couch BK installation with the LFE mounted inside the couch.

Not as useful or convenient as a showroom demo but if you want to make the trip to Stittsville I will gladly give you a demo of my Buttkicker setup. My home theater is anything but elaborate:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=933781&highlight=edcwhite

but I do have a one couch BK installation with the LFE mounted inside the couch.

Thanks for the offer...decent entertainment area.
Maybe we can meet up sometime.. a few of my pic's here.
This before I began my HT improvements last month.

ttp://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

I'm really leaning towards I Beam, by Sonic Imersion.
Maybe you'd like to compare ?
I'm in Russell 20 minutes east of ottawa

Wow I am intreged is this a whole kit? Including the amp and wireless? Or what else need to be purchased?

Wow I am intreged is this a whole kit? Including the amp and wireless? Or what else need to be purchased?

It is a complete kit including the amp, RF transmitter and receiver, remote control, BK and all other remaining associated items for set up.

Hey John, I read that you will be switching to another pre/pro. How do you plan on low passing your BKs now? 20hz offers some challenges from what I've seen from the usual offerings.

It is a complete kit including the amp, RF transmitter and receiver, remote control, BK and all other remaining associated items for set up.


There is a Remote control in the kit ?

I have no money left but I want them SO bad... I would go with the wired one.... just seems safer thats it will be more accurate

There is a Remote control in the kit ?

LOL yeah a little generic one but it serves its purpose. It's not something you wanna turn up and down on the regular anyways because what will feel good during a low portion of the movie will be over the top during the peaks.

hmm.. wonder if my harmony1000 wll control them then ?
That would be a big bonus, I was lookingh at more expensive amps for IR control.
Crowson etc..
No feedback on a I Beam ?? Anyone ?
I want to know if they are Quick start stop.

hmm.. wonder if my harmony1000 wll control them then ?
That would be a big bonus, I was lookingh at more expensive amps for IR control.
Crowson etc..
No feedback on a I Beam ?? Anyone ?
I want to know if they are Quick start stop.

Yes, My Harmony 1000 controls the BK Amplifier great. I had to manually add it and point the BK remote to the receiver at the bottom of the 1000 for original set up. But 100% of the BK remote functions are now in the Harmony 1000.

I dunno anout the Crowson or the I-Beam. For the price I didn't care.
Amp fires up in a second or less. Rumbling is immediate upon Amp start up if there are LFE effects present.

You can get the kit for 320 direct from BK with shipping... I can't afford them now but am scared the coupon code will run out

Mind sharing the coupon code?

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

IBeam is very sensitive at low listening volume has little, accurate feeling, musical rythm.. but drops of at 25hz fast.
My second row of two seats has One Buttkicker LFE and it is dead at low volume, doeasn't move until.. 70hz or so.. then goes deep and heavy feeling, more movement of the 2 seat unit with one BK LFE than the three seater with 3 IBeams.
But.. VERY different feel from each.
I like both.. and would not hesitate to try to incorporate both into a seat.. espeacialy if you could power them from separate Amps.
They would compliment each other.. for someone wanting the absolute ultimate tactile sensation.

Of course on the same day, I installed 2 Hsu MBM's into my set up. that helped.

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

IBeam is very sensitive at low listening volume has little, accurate feeling, musical rythm.. but drops of at 25hz fast.
My second row of two seats has One Buttkicker LFE and it is dead at low volume, doeasn't move until.. 70hz or so.. then goes deep and heavy feeling, more movement of the 2 seat unit with one BK LFE than the three seater with 3 IBeams.
But.. VERY different feel from each.
I like both.. and would not hesitate to try to incorporate both into a seat.. espeacialy if you could power them from separate Amps.
They would compliment each other.. for someone wanting the absolute ultimate tactile sensation.

Of course on the same day, I installed 2 Hsu MBM's into my set up. that helped.Very nice looking setup you have there...:) looks like you are also an LFE Man.... :D

Steve

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatre

IBeam is very sensitive at low listening volume has little, accurate feeling, musical rythm.. but drops of at 25hz fast.
My second row of two seats has One Buttkicker LFE and it is dead at low volume, doeasn't move until.. 70hz or so.. then goes deep and heavy feeling, more movement of the 2 seat unit with one BK LFE than the three seater with 3 IBeams.
But.. VERY different feel from each.
I like both.. and would not hesitate to try to incorporate both into a seat.. espeacialy if you could power them from separate Amps.
They would compliment each other.. for someone wanting the absolute ultimate tactile sensation.

Of course on the same day, I installed 2 Hsu MBM's into my set up. that helped.

I have 2 BK LFEs coming for my first row of seats. The BKA 300 handles the the back couch resting on the platform. I noticed similar as you did (with the BKA 300 not the LFEs) that there is not a whole lot going on until something low and heavy hitting comes along. It feels good when it does, would just like it more often as in my set up it doesn't detract.

I have 2 BK LFEs coming for my first row of seats. The BKA 300 handles the the back couch resting on the platform. I noticed similar as you did (with the BKA 300 not the LFEs) that there is not a whole lot going on until something low and heavy hitting comes along. It feels good when it does, would just like it more often as in my set up it doesn't detract.

IBeam is VERY VERY sensitive.. at low volume it picks up Every little thing from musical background noise, and the Low LFE feels like Different sounds.
Like in war of the World when the Big stomps happend it is a Huge Rumble with the BK LFE, but with the IBeam it is a tighter more mid bass type impact the feels/sounds..like, low ,high, back to med bass..like going up and down a freq range very quickly and more realistic feeling.
the BK LFE is more a one tone shake.
BUT>> in the really Low One tone shake it (BBK LFE) does have more Shake.. side to side shake the couch shake.
I really think..I'm going to get a another BK1000 and run BK LFE and IBeams in each chair and crossover them separately.
I'll have Pic's and feedback within' a week.
getting my gear from Ken at AVoutlet.

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On another note.. Anybody recommend a good calibration tool/disc, to help me calibrate 2 Hsu MBM's , with 1 SVS PB12Plusx2, with my 2 mains, and 2 presence, all up front . (test tone CD) ?
Thanks.

I'm going to get a another BK1000 and run BK LFE and IBeams in each chair and crossover them separately.
I'll have Pic's and feedback within' a week.
getting my gear from Ken at AVoutlet.

http://photobucket.com/steveshometheatreWould it be overkill... by doing this?

I have a pair of BK's running in at 2ohms on the BK1000. The LFE's are mounted inside my couch and love seat and it seems like they just want to fall apart. You could set the X-over on your BK1000 at a higher range so it will cut on sooner than later.. BK LFE and IBEAM in each chair WOW...:eek: seems alittle too much for me though GO FOR IT.

Steve

Would it be overkill... by doing this?

I have a pair of BK's running in at 2ohms on the BK1000. The LFE's are mounted inside my couch and love seat and it seems like they just want to fall apart. You could set the X-over on your BK1000 at a higher range so it will cut on sooner than later.. BK LFE and IBEAM in each chair WOW...:eek: seems alittle too much for me though GO FOR IT.

Steve

You'd have to try an IBeam, it is Such a different feel.
and I tried setting the crossover to 200hz..but BK LFE won't kick in til 70hz and I like 100+hz.
However I like the strong movement down low of the BK LFE , so I'd have some tweeking to do for sure.
Output, and crossover playing for hours I'm sure.
I'm not trying to get MORE output, but rather get a Full response in Low freq. and accurate response above 50hz.

You'd have to try an IBeam, it is Such a different feel.
and I tried setting the crossover to 200hz..but BK LFE won't kick in til 70hz and I like 100+hz.
However I like the strong movement down low of the BK LFE , so I'd have some tweeking to do for sure.
Output, and crossover playing for hours I'm sure.
I'm not trying to get MORE output, but rather get a Full response in Low freq. and accurate response above 50hz.

The higher you run shakers/tactile tranducers up in frequency, the more prone you are to feel vibration from voices which tends to be annoying IMO. I was thinking similar to your idea about a mixture of two different types. BK lfe from 40hz on down and somethin else (very responsive)from say 40-80. The I Beams sound interesting I wonder how they compare with the likes of Clark Synthesis?

You'd have to try an IBeam, it is Such a different feel.
and I tried setting the crossover to 200hz..but BK LFE won't kick in til 70hz and I like 100+hz.
However I like the strong movement down low of the BK LFE , so I'd have some tweeking to do for sure.
Output, and crossover playing for hours I'm sure.
I'm not trying to get MORE output, but rather get a Full response in Low freq. and accurate response above 50hz.

The higher you run shakers/tactile tranducers up in frequency, the more prone you are to feel vibration from voices which tends to be annoying IMO. I was thinking similar to your idea about a mixture of two different types. BK lfe from 40hz on down and somethin else (very responsive)from say 40-80. The I Beams sound interesting I wonder how they compare with the likes of Clark Synthesis?

You'd have to try an IBeam, it is Such a different feel.
and I tried setting the crossover to 200hz..but BK LFE won't kick in til 70hz and I like 100+hz.
However I like the strong movement down low of the BK LFE , so I'd have some tweeking to do for sure.
Output, and crossover playing for hours I'm sure.
I'm not trying to get MORE output, but rather get a Full response in Low freq. and accurate response above 50hz.I understand what you are trying to do..

The higher you run shakers/tactile tranducers up in frequency, the more prone you are to feel vibration from voices which tends to be annoying IMO. I was thinking similar to your idea about a mixture of two different types. BK lfe from 40hz on down and somethin else (very responsive)from say 40-80. The I Beams sound interesting I wonder how they compare with the likes of Clark Synthesis?Double Post... Links #91 & #92 13min. apart

The higher you run shakers/tactile tranducers up in frequency, the more prone you are to feel vibration from voices which tends to be annoying IMO. I was thinking similar to your idea about a mixture of two different types. BK lfe from 40hz on down and somethin else (very responsive)from say 40-80. The I Beams sound interesting I wonder how they compare with the likes of Clark Synthesis?

I agree, the only voice I'd expect to feel a little is voices from the Palnet of the Apes.
Which you do, but blending with the subs/mbm's in what I feel is a realistic feel.
Whereas the BK lies dead silent for me.
amp crossed at 90hz.
A deep, Deep race car engine giving a little sensation that says wow, I really feel my subs shaking the room, (oh it's my IBeam)..is something I like.

I'm going to mix the two tomorrow in one chair and give you my Opinion.
IBeam in my chair.. BK under the leg.
I don't have my second Amp just yet , so setting different crossover points may be a few more days.

I think it's a matter of high mass design vs low mass design.
True Subs and Mid bass modules in my room.. why not in my chairs ?

IBeam Very sensitive, kick in with very little LFE content or amp power.. of course this is adjustable. If you find it too sensitive.
Clarks with there Platinum ? 900+ ft/lb high Impact ?..from a voice coil?
IBeam..Very Fast, Very Accurate, Very sensitive, ..does not throw the chair side to side in 20-40hz content as much as BK. but still a decent punch foot stomp impact. it weighs less.. solidly built, with a magnet type motion response. vs pistons, or voice coils.
BK does feel sloppy by comparison, in quick hits, but in Real Low LFE rumble BK is pretty damn good.. IRobot when the Big Hellicopter comes in over abuilding the 2 seater shakes like mad (on rubber isolators) 3 seater w/3 Ibeams is hitting super accurate with the blades, but not physically moving the chair like the BK.

So,, I'm not sure I could imagine that Clarks would be more powerfull, I'd like to compare.
I can't seem to find a lot of users for some feedback.

Buy some.. I'll switch a unit with you for a week to compare.?
If I like Clarks better ?... demo IBeams for sale.(cheap).

ps.
wish I could have found a RC-64 to demo,..nice centre.
was concerned about the tss..ts.. in the tweets,

Anyone use anything to enhance LFE content from source? (processor)?

Buttkicker QCP selector.
Anyone have experience with selecting #3 and having the power drop 90%.
#1 to #2 no difference....#3 and <<<< down to almost nothing.
4 units connected.. one unit per selector port as per instructions.
If I connect them in parallel.. 2+ 2 no prob. butt I loose my selecting feature I wanted.

Well .... I'm not sure why they engineered the BKA300 kits so you can use two different channels for the wireless, but made the remotes for setting levels/EQ, all on a single and same IR address.

I would have found it more useful if they had configured them so if you use more than one kit (for multiple 'independent' seating set-ups) you could set different IR channels for each remote, and let each occupant of a seat use that seat's remote to adjust the level and EQ for that seat independently.

As it is, if you use more than one kit, each remote will control the level/EQ on all the others unless you can somehow isolate the IR by physical location/sheilding.

My BKA300's are on their way, and I'm hoping somebody knows of a good work-around. (?)

FYI
BK and company .. says NO More than One BK LFE per Port on the QCP selector.
4 Max.
If you parallel or series multiple BK LFE's then do not connect it to the QCP. Or risk fire, or, BK Amp or QCP selector damage.
So.. Multiple amps is my solution.
I'm going to try Earthquake XJ600, to complete my 5 seats.

Another 300 item of note .... is that the line out is a "pass through" port, with no level/EQ modification to the audio sent on to any daisy chained amps (which I actually like for my application/set-up).
The IR out of the main 300 amp also only controls an added amp's on/off, but not it's level nor the EQ.
Also .... the "auto standby" function of the 300 will only work if you do not have the RF dongle in use.
Evidently, even when your sound system is off, the BK300's wireless RF system is still sending a non-modulated carrier, that the 300 sees as a "continued signal" and so it won't go into standby.
That sorta makes that function of little use like it is, and really needs an engineering review.

I have two of the 300 kits with their transducers under the 2 seat reclining loveseat center portion of my Berkline seating, with a 1000 daisy chained to them, driving two LFEs under the two end recliner seats (4 seats total).
The system works great (with the exception of the above) and the wireless for the 300 has allowed me to daisy chain the 1000 off it's line out, to achieve a wireless link to my sound system (Harmon Kardon 645) for the 1000, without having to buy it's $70 dollar wireless option. So that's a decent plus.

Amazon just raised the price of the 300, to 95 cents more than the 1000 kit (it's now $399.95 and the 1000 is $399.00, so I'm glad I bought the two 300 kits when I got them at the $299 delivered price!! :-)
Overall, I'm vey happy with my BK set-up, and by programming my Harmony remote I will have a work around for the non-standby situation when I shut off my HT equipment.

I have the Buttkicker amp setup in my Harmony remote. So its all good now!!! Back to one remote.

How did you set up your Harmony Remote for the Buttkicker.
I just ordered one and I have a Harmony One Remote.
Thanks

I dunno exactly what you mean so here it goes:

The ButtKicker comes with an IR remote, I pointed it at the bottom of my Harmony and pressed each button and labeled it in the Harmony Remote Software.

As I turn on an Activity the ButtKicker is enabled. In each Activity I selected "Customize Button", then "Additional Buttons".

On the Page I added a button for
Movie Flat (25hz is unboosted)
Music +6db (25hz is boosted 6db)
Game -6db (25hz is cut 6db)
Vibrate Up (Increase Vibrate Intensity)
Vibrate Down (Decrease Vibrate Intensity)
Pwr Vib (Turn the ButtKicker Amp On/Off)

These are the buttons I created from commands in the remote. If you need help adding these functions through the bottom of your remote, lemme know.

I know how to setup a customized one. I was wondering if it was
already pre - installed somewhere and what menus to follow to get to it.
If I can't find it I will use your method.
Thanks!

When I did mine Logitech had nothing. If its there, I assume they took it from me.

I have a new manufactured home. The flooring is Duradek, 3/4" thick, 8'by12' sheets and nailed and glued to the subfloor. Would the shaking from a buttkicker cause any damage; e.g. loosening floor panels, etc.
Thanks for any reply.

I have a new manufactured home. The flooring is Duradek, 3/4" thick, 8'by12' sheets and nailed and glued to the subfloor. Would the shaking from a buttkicker cause any damage; e.g. loosening floor panels, etc.
Thanks for any reply.

Not if it's glued. (properly).
Not even over a extended period of time.
That glue soaks into the wood and is ther for the life of the wood.
No worries... shake away:D

I simply set it up as an amplifier, using the Harmony set up procedure, and ignored the things that didn't make sense (like what controls it's volume) ..... if that makes sense.
But ...... I like vhato's way a 'lot' better, so I'm gonna redo it like he did.

Way cool vhato!!!

The BigRiver has this for 250 clams. I'm new to all this rumbling stuff but is this a sign of falling prices. For me, 200 clams is what I'm willing to invest.

What is the Big River?

And..what is a clam ?

Amazonriver now at 240 clamdollars.

Yeah the Aura shakers only go down to 20Hz, the buttkickers go down to 5Hz!!
The Auras will go below 20Hz, it just takes a TON of EQ to get reasonably flat performance down that low, and a lot of them to make up for their lack of excursion at such low frequencies. I have 25 of them split between my sofa and loveseat, and get good response down to something approaching 10hz. Since I'm using a BFD to EQ, it's hard to do any effective EQ any lower than that.

The transducer is clearly not happy at 10hz or 12.5hz for that matter however it is very strong from 15hz on up. Below 15hz it did't bottom as I eased up because you can clearly hear the tranducer in operation instead of just the feeling as normal.
Yes, that is the one downside they have compared to the Auras... since they are a piston sliding in a cylinder, you can hear the rubbing. But I've never heard it in actual use, only when testing low frequency test tones. In real use, there's enough noise during those passages to mask it.

Curious if anyone has measured the other BKs to determine if they actually do 5hz?
Mine go below 5hz, but I would expect their response to vary depending on their application. Mine (Buttkicker 2s) are attached to the floor joists, and I would expect that the overall mass of the floor that they are attached to affects the resonant frequency of the floor/buttkicker "system". The Buttkickers on their own are supposed to have a resonant frequency of 9hz. But I can't help but think that if you attach them to a large massive structure of a lower resonant frequency, the end result will be somewhere between the two.

As far as measuring the response... if you consider that buttkickers attached to the floor cause the floor to effectively become a large "driver", you can measure that response just like you do a sub. I've measured my sub both alone, and in conjunction with the buttkickers. The Buttkicker measurements included them wired both ways (to determine which resulted with the floor being more in phase with the sub). In the following graph, the green line is the sub on its own, the purple and red lines are with the buttkickers wired 0° and 180°. You can see there are some phase shifts... at some frequencies they are in phase, and at others out of phase. But "purple" wiring, you can see there's output to 2hz, though obviously it's rolling off the entire way. I have them EQ'd to roll off above 12hz. But I should add that "feeling" their output is different than the measured audio output. They "feel" the strongest around 7-8hz, while they appear to be stronger a little higher.:

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Just ordered my BKA 300 from amazon...shipping on tuesday. I had ordered an LFE kit but after a month of waiting and being told by amazon that i would be waiting another onth i cancelled the LFE kit order.

Saw the $240 deal for the wireless BKA 300 and grabbed it!!! Can't wait.

I was also thinking of the crowson tes 100 but the mounting and looking for a seperate amp was too much hassle...i like buttkickers mount. also like the wireless

is it possible to calibrate the buttkicker advance with an spl meter? i was thinking of resting the spl meter on the couch while i play around with the receivers sub woofer test tones.

is it possible to calibrate the buttkicker advance with an spl meter?

Not really... they need to be adjusted by feel. I used the meter just to see what kind of effect it was having on my sub's output, and which way to wire them to prevent them from cancelling out my sub's response. But you can't really count on a meter to have completely accurate response at such low frequencies, you can't expect a microphone sitting on a vibrating object to be an accurate way to measure those vibrations, and there's really no reference to calibrate it to. Your butt is a much better tool for the job. :)

Quick Question on the buttkickers... I ordered my first one, and hooked it up to my Berkline seat. I am only trying one right now, to see if I like them. I have the buttkicker amp and one buttkicker. I have a bunch of test tones, and started to play.

At 30-40hz – I have the amp turned up, about ¾ to full, and I get a nice shake
At 20-30hz – A little less shack, but still good
At 10-20hz – Amp at the same level, and the thing kicks like a mule, just bottoms out nonstop.
At 10 and below… just bottoms out with a big Donk Donk Donk…..

So I lower the “volume” on the buttkicker amp, and It still bottom out at the real low stuff 20hz and down, but can no longer feel anything at the higher 20-30 range… I guess I should just lower it to where I can feel it at 20 and below?

- Scott

I had problems with mine bottoming out on LF content, but I was trying to shake my whole floor with two buttkickers. Haven't had the issue since adding four more. I wouldn't expect that issue with a buttkicker attached to just one seat, and 3/4 gain on a single seat seems like a lot. My amp is only 1/2 up (12:00) and I get a TON of shaking on my floor. Are you sure it's got a good firm mount, and you have isolators under the chair?

If you don't really need wireless, should you go for the LFE kit for the extra money? Any performance improvement over this wireless kit? From what I understand, the wireless is not fully wireless anyway. You need the cable form amp to shaker (unless you hide amp under couch) and I would guess you need a power cable to shaker as well. The wireless part is only AVR to amp but if you can setup amp near the AVR and run a long cable to shaker you would be ok. How reliable is 900MHz?

Some more questions. My recliner sofa does not have feet but a metallic rail base (see pic).

1. Can I still put the Buttkicker under the metal frame as I would under a foot? Or the only option is to find a place under the middle part of recliner?

2. Would one BK advance (that comes with wireless NOT the LFE kit) unit be enough for a 3 seater sofa with recliners? The recliner sofa is much heavier than normal sofa.

3. This sofa is on a thick carpet and an upgraded carpet pad. Do I still need isolation? I am guessing the little rubber feet won't work with the metallic rail base. What else can I use?

Curious if anyone has measured the other BKs to determine if they actually do 5hz?

I measured my original ButtKicker setup this afternoon. I have 4 units lowpassed @ 20 Hz. Each pair is driven with a Crown K2 ampifier. I started with feeding them a 19 hz sine wave and worked my way down to 5 hz in 1 hz increments. I set the volume for strong output at 19 Hz and did not touch it during the test. I had silent strong output (blurred vision) down to 7 hz and did not feel a drop off until 6 hz. I experienced a significant drop at 5 hz.

John

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Some more questions. My recliner sofa does not have feet but a metallic rail base (see pic).

1. Can I still put the Buttkicker under the metal frame as I would under a foot? Or the only option is to find a place under the middle part of recliner?

2. Would one BK advance (that comes with wireless NOT the LFE kit) unit be enough for a 3 seater sofa with recliners? The recliner sofa is much heavier than normal sofa.

3. This sofa is on a thick carpet and an upgraded carpet pad. Do I still need isolation? I am guessing the little rubber feet won't work with the metallic rail base. What else can I use?

I am guessing no one knew the answers so I had to experiment to find out. Here are the answers to my own questions. I hope they help someone else in future.

1. The metal frame of recliner actually had plastic feet under it. 12 of them (4 feet for every seat of sofa).

2. One BK advance is NOT ENOUGH. It does not kick butt. It feels more like you are sitting on a remote of video game which is buzzing. :( I called ButtKicker and they told me that I need to get LFE KIT and one extra shaker. They said I absolutely need two shakers for a recliner sofa. I really wish this was in FAQs somewhere. Now I have to return the wireless kit and *maybe* I will buy the LFE Kit after first not so good experience.

3. Isolation is required even on carpet. The feet are also important to keep the balance. Before you order turn your sofa/couch upside down and count the number of feet. Order extra isolators with your BK. You will need them.

Hope this helps someone.

Another price drop. Now showing $216.12 delivered at Amazon. On the fence? If so, it's time to get off already!

Not really... they need to be adjusted by feel. I used the meter just to see what kind of effect it was having on my sub's output, and which way to wire them to prevent them from cancelling out my sub's response. But you can't really count on a meter to have completely accurate response at such low frequencies, you can't expect a microphone sitting on a vibrating object to be an accurate way to measure those vibrations, and there's really no reference to calibrate it to. Your butt is a much better tool for the job. :)

hey i just got my bka 300.


UPDATE: found better way to more accurately set the buttkicker.

You need an SPL meter to give you the db values.

unhook your subwoofer first. Now set spl meter to slow c-weight.

You can either lay spl meter on the base plate or on the spot where you will sit.

turn on your receiver's subwoofer test tone.

adjust volume level of the buttkicker amp until spl meter reaches 63 db(SPL meter on the base plate) or 60db (on the spot on couch where you will sit). These are my values I got from my receiver's test tone after I calibrated with AVIA's test tones at 70 db.

try my values first and watch movies/music that ususally bottom out the buttkicker.

if the buttkicker still bottoms out, lower the volume level of the buttkicker amp until it doesnt bottom out, turn on the subwoofer test tone, lay the SPL meter on the transducers base plate or on the couch, and take note of the db value. This will be the db value you will use for the buttkicker.

Don't forget to plug back the subwoofer.

On my subwoofer test tone, 60 db is what i use to calibrate the buttkicker. if i set it higher than 60 db it will bottom out, so i set the buttikicker to 60 db everytime i adjust the volume level of my receiver. I'm not sure about test tones on other receivers so you can try 60 db first and then adjust, and take note of the db using the spl meter.

Ok, have had my first-ever BKA300 hooked up for a week in the living room under the double reclining sofa. There are six legs and it's under the rear middle leg. I'm really impressed.

One more thing...Have a second sofa in the living room. No center legs. Will the Buttkicker work ok on just one of the rear corners? Would I have to put a piece of wood under the middle of the rear frame and place the Buttkicker there?

And...do I really want another one? The reclining sofa is for the wife and me. The other sofa is for the 15 year-old daughter and/or friends visiting. Do I just impress myself or others? Decisions...decisions.

I'm not close to being upper-middle class money so my justification for this 1st luxury purchase has been selling my Bluray movies and going with Netflix.

Ok, have had my first-ever BKA300 hooked up for a week in the living room under the double reclining sofa. There are six legs and it's under the rear middle leg. I'm really impressed.

One more thing...Have a second sofa in the living room. No center legs. Will the Buttkicker work ok on just one of the rear corners? Would I have to put a piece of wood under the middle of the rear frame and place the Buttkicker there?

And...do I really want another one? The reclining sofa is for the wife and me. The other sofa is for the 15 year-old daughter and/or friends visiting. Do I just impress myself or others? Decisions...decisions.

I'm not close to being upper-middle class money so my justification for this 1st luxury purchase has been selling my Bluray movies and going with Netflix.

First of all, I am very glad that it works for you (and your double recliner sofa) and you are impressed. It did not work for my double recliner sofa and I am going to return it.

From what I read, for your second sofa with no center legs you can keep it under a corner leg. It would be fine there.

Do you really need another one? I don't think you 'need' even the first one or for that matter your AVR or TV :). These are wants and desires. :) Take it as far as your pocket allows.

What kind of amp and sub are you using in your setup?

Thanks for the input Inphoenix. I'm using a Denon 1909 and Sony 12" 200watt sub. Maybe I'm lucky, but so far the Buttkicker has more than enough power for my sofa/recliner. If you depress the remote button quickly, it sends just one step increase/decrease at a time. It seems that on a scale with '1' being the least amount of boost; that it goes up to around '26' steps. I'm running between '15' and '17'.

Thanks for the input Inphoenix. I'm using a Denon 1909 and Sony 12" 200watt sub. Maybe I'm lucky, but so far the Buttkicker has more than enough power for my sofa/recliner. If you depress the remote button quickly, it sends just one step increase/decrease at a time. It seems that on a scale with '1' being the least amount of boost; that it goes up to around '26' steps. I'm running between '15' and '17'.

How did you figure there were around 26 steps of boost? I was testing it couple notches down from max. So I was around 24 all the time. It would be nice if there was a way to see the level of boost.

If you wanted to buy a second one, you just missed the Amazon deal. It is back to $299 now.

Inphoenix: I appreciate your replies. I press the butt remote for several seconds to completely make sure it's at the lowest level. Starting at what I call '0', I push the increase button as short as possible and watch the infrared light. It seems as though each blink is a 'step'. Sometimes I press too long and get 2 to 3 blinks but I count them individually. I go for 15 to 17 blinks depending on the movie (spiderman3 crane scene and sandman becoming sandman; 10000BC capturing the herds of mammoths) have been good tests. My wife is a '12' blink person for everything...but she says she likes the Kicker since I don't have to drive the Sony sub so high anymore.

Anyway, I've kept increasing the blinks till about '20'. After '20' the buttshaker starts bottoming out and I'm guessing it goes up to about 25. I have a heavy Berkline 2-seat reclining sofa and it shakes the sofa incredibly well. Maybe you had a defective lfe or amplifier; maybe you didn't use the isolators, maybe...maybe; there are so many maybes in this world. I confess ignorance with a lot of this kind of stuff. All I know is I'm happy enough that I ordered another one from Amazon and made the $216 deal in time.

I did call Buttkicker. I was impressed with getting a live person quickly. I suggested future models should have a readout for the levels.

Thanks everyone for all your help. I didn't even know about Buttkicking until recently.

just got my replacement buttkicker bka-300 from amzon. they are awesome!

i just called an amazon rep and told him guitammer company tried to troubleshoot the problem but told me it was defective.

the amazon rep immediately sent a new bka-300 to me and sent me a mailing label and an RMA number and told me to return the defective bka-300 within 30 days.

When I got the new one...i hooked it up and no more rattling coming from inside the transducer.

I guess the more times you bottom out the transducer you risk loosening the metal parts inside. I can hear a loose metal part when i shake the defective transducer.

I suggest not to bottom out the transducer at all. to do this...use a reference level of 70 db using AVIA home theater guide DVD.

Every receiver has a different test tone so its better to use AVIA. After I calibrate with AVIA at 70 db, when I turn on the test tone for my receiver i get 63 db. If I calibrated the buttkicker with my receiver's test tone at 70 db I would surely bottom out the transducer.

to calibrate the bka-300 mounted on the couch kit plate.
lay the spl meter on the plate. start from lowest level on the buttkicker amp and increase until spl meter displays 70 db.

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Glad to see how well Amazon took care of the problem. If you have time, could you give those of us on the forum Amazon's phone number for any potential future issues?

i was going to post a link but it keeps including my username. click on 'HELP' at the top right corner of the page. Then click the 'CONTACT US' button...you have to login first. Now click the 'phone' button. enter your number and choose contact me 'right now'. in a few seconds a rep will call you.

tell them you want a replacement. also tell them you already spoke to a guitammer rep, did trouble shooting, and you were told to contact amazon because unit is defective. they will immediately ship you a brand new one.

you will have to print the rma form and return mailing label and drop it off at a ups store.

I lost the amazon box of the defective one so i waited for the new unit to arrive and used the box for that. place the return label on top of the old shipping label and cover it with tape so the ink won't smear.

Thanks for the info. So far no problems however a word of caution: I was going to be green-conscious and completely turn off the amp using an X-10 module. When the electricity is completely removed and the amp is turned back on it goes to FULL Intensity and will bottom out the Buttkicker. Be sure and turn the volume down before playing any bass content. This also means if you have a power outtage to be sure and do the same.

When the power is restored to the amplifier, the transmitter/receiver does retain its lock-on code so you don't need to push the little recessed buttons on them. I'm not sure, but it seems that if you do disconnect the receiver from the back of the amplifier that you do need to redo the code lock-in.

P.S. I added the second buttkicker and you do have to push the transmitter button twice like the manual says. Also, after adding the second buttkicker, I have had to increase the 'setting' from '15' clicks to '22'. Maybe it's because I added the second Y splitter to the subwoofer output.

Thanks for the info. So far no problems however a word of caution: I was going to be green-conscious and completely turn off the amp using an X-10 module. When the electricity is completely removed and the amp is turned back on it goes to FULL Intensity and will bottom out the Buttkicker. Be sure and turn the volume down before playing any bass content. This also means if you have a power outtage to be sure and do the same.

When the power is restored to the amplifier, the transmitter/receiver does retain its lock-on code so you don't need to push the little recessed buttons on them. I'm not sure, but it seems that if you do disconnect the receiver from the back of the amplifier that you do need to redo the code lock-in.

P.S. I added the second buttkicker and you do have to push the transmitter button twice like the manual says. Also, after adding the second buttkicker, I have had to increase the 'setting' from '15' clicks to '22'. Maybe it's because I added the second Y splitter to the subwoofer output.

good info...i am more cautious now to NEVER bottom-out the buttkicker.

also i just use the subwoofer input when using the "movie setting"

if i use the left and right channels as inputs i use the "music setting"

i think the loose parts and internal rattling i hear din my defective buttkicker was due to the several times the buttkicker bottomed-out and when i was hearing vocals and higher frequencies from the buttkicker when i used the left and right channels as inputs.

if you hear vocals and higher freqs from your sofa...switch to "music setting" right away

Hello all... My question that has me holding of on buying these is, I have Berkline theater seating and they are not connected together.
They sit really close to one another, but the frames for each chair are not connected.
If I connect the bass shaker BKA300 to the center one, will it transfer to the outter chairs?

Let me know what you think. I really don't want to build a platform and raise the seats.

Inphoenix: I appreciate your replies. I press the butt remote for several seconds to completely make sure it's at the lowest level. Starting at what I call '0', I push the increase button as short as possible and watch the infrared light. It seems as though each blink is a 'step'. Sometimes I press too long and get 2 to 3 blinks but I count them individually. I go for 15 to 17 blinks depending on the movie (spiderman3 crane scene and sandman becoming sandman; 10000BC capturing the herds of mammoths) have been good tests.



I was reading this post again. Here is my question.... what blinks? I don't see no blinking. My remote can turn the light red/green (which means on/off) but there is no response when I hit intensity button.

Can someone else tell me if they see the light blink with intensity going up/down? Is it possible that I have a faulty unit?

I was reading this post again. Here is my question.... what blinks? I don't see no blinking. My remote can turn the light red/green (which means on/off) but there is no response when I hit intensity button.

Can someone else tell me if they see the light blink with intensity going up/down? Is it possible that I have a faulty unit?

Mine does not blink when an IR signal is received.

HTH,
Shawn

I was reading this post again. Here is my question.... what blinks? I don't see no blinking. My remote can turn the light red/green (which means on/off) but there is no response when I hit intensity button.

Can someone else tell me if they see the light blink with intensity going up/down? Is it possible that I have a faulty unit?

he means when the wireless receiver (the usb stick) is connected to the buttkicker amp. When you point your remote at the dome shaped transmitter, the red light blinks when you press + or -.

nothing blinks on the amplifier. wish it had a digital display for the level, instead of me using an spl meter.

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he means when the wireless receiver (the usb stick) is connected to the buttkicker amp. When you point your remote at the dome shaped transmitter, the red light blinks when you press + or -.

nothing blinks on the amplifier. wish it had a digital display for the level, instead of me using an spl meter.


Thanks. That makes sense. I am not using the wireless part of it. My unit is hooked directly.

Shawn, thanks for your input as well.

Hello all... My question that has me holding of on buying these is, I have Berkline theater seating and they are not connected together.
They sit really close to one another, but the frames for each chair are not connected.
If I connect the bass shaker BKA300 to the center one, will it transfer to the outter chairs?

Let me know what you think. I really don't want to build a platform and raise the seats.

No, unless they are connected the tactile energy will not transfer to one another.

I have a set of 3 Berkline theater recliners. It is in 3 sections that sit next to each other.
I ended up building a platform for mine. The metal frames are bolted to the top panel.

John

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Yes, it is the led light in the transmitter that blinks. However, I would think you could achieve the same results on the amplifier by quickly pushing the up/down intensity button.

As far as the 3 Berline's; could you just put a piece of plywood under all three and put the isolators under them along with the Buttkicker Advance in the middle at the rear?

lol, then why post it as truth??

This is the internet. Lack of personal experience mixed with anecdotal reports from no-nothings is good enough.;)

Has anyone used the Buttkicker amp to power their subwoofer? I tried, but the sound was flat and needed Eq.

Has anyone used the Buttkicker amp to power their subwoofer? I tried, but the sound was flat and needed Eq.

It was very, very popular amongst the DIY crowd until several started going up in flames (bad wiring not because it was driving a sub).

Also, there are measurements for the amp over on the DIY forum that show it has HUGE distortion. People didnt like knowing that even though we can not really hear distortion down that low, people still know it was there :eek:

The EP2500 is the most popular DIY choice these days...its close the Buttkicker price and it has more power, less distortion.

I have a Buttkicker amp powering the sub on my deck. Obviously it's not a critical listening environment (the sub was built using $25 EHQS drivers, and the speakers are weather resistant "outdoor" speakers). But with that said, I can't discern any distortion that I'd attribute to the amp. In fact, I think it sounds pretty good considering what it is. It did go up in flames once... not because of any wiring issues... they just had a bad batch of caps on them. But they promptly replaced it, and the replacement (as well as the other Buttkicker amp powering the Buttkickers in my den) have had no issues.

Hey guys, I want to buy the BKA300 wireless kit. I'm in Canada and Amazon does not ship here. Any ideas on where I can buy a kit?

I will be having a mid range ($400.00) Sub. Will I need this system in order to feel the bass? Concrete floors I assume will not vibrate the room.


Thanks

This is my 3rd buttkicker...had to replace it 2 times.

with the first 2 buttkicker advance transducers i received, after a few days of use when i pick up the transducer and shake it, i could hear a loose part inside the transducer. You could also hear the transducer producing a crackling sound when the audio of the movie/music is turned down which is very annoying.

My spl meter method of calibrating the buttkicker advance didn't seem to work with the first 2.

with my 3rd buttkicker advance i tried a different method which has been working so far.

i guess you can call it the touch method.

1. turn off or unplug your subwoofer
2. play the subwoofer test tone on your receiver.
3. place hand on buttkicker transducer.
4. Feel the vibrations

If you feel the buttkicker transducer vibrating, lower the buttkicker amp level, one step at a time, until the vibrations disappear. transducer should feel like its turned off.
If you don't feel any vibrations, increase the buttkicker amp level until the buttkicker transducer starts vibrating, then lower the buttkicker amp level, one step at a time, until the vibrations disappear and the transducer feels like its turned off.

5. turn subwoofer back on.

It's been 2 weeks and i have not had any loose parts, or noise coming from my 3rd buttkicker advance. The power from the transducer is just right...powerful and never bottoms out...

its an easy way to calibrate and you don't have to worry about changing the level during a movie anymore.

I read a review on Amazon and the person was complaining about not being able to use the Buttkicker in the middle of a sofa with four legs. One of my sofas is like this. I cut some 1x2's and stacked them on top of the Buttkicker Advance and placed it under the middle rear of the sofa. It's been 4 weeks and so far it works like a charm. I'm still so glad I bought these shakers!!
Now I'm debating to do the same for the king bed in the master bedroom.

yeah i tried playing a movie with the buttkicker turned off and theres a huge difference...i quickly turned it back on. once you get your butt kicked you cant go back. (sorry, that didn't sound right)

When i watched a movie at a cinema this week it wasn't exciting anymore...i missed my buttkicker. I'm thinking of just waiting for the dvd releases instead of watching it at the cinema.

Amazon has a coupon for $100.00 off of the BKA 300. Coupon code is FVF3XWS3.

Correction copupon code is FVF3XNS3.

Correction copupon code is FVF3XNS3.

Unfortunately the email was wrong. The code gives only a $50 discount. I already emailed Amazon and they don't wanna honor the $100 discount :mad:.

Unfortunately the email was wrong. The code gives only a $50 discount. I already emailed Amazon and they don't wanna honor the $100 discount :mad:.

SniperREX is correct. The email from Amazon says there is a $100.00 discount but when you enter the code it only shows a $50.00 discount. Sorry for posting the wrong information.

SniperREX is correct. The email from Amazon says there is a $100.00 discount but when you enter the code it only shows a $50.00 discount. Sorry for posting the wrong information.

I got another email from Amazon. There is no workaround :( .

I'd have bought the kit for $199, but I guess I'll wait for a cheaper price and hopefully for an improved version, that is a unit with a display and/or a volume knob.

I got another email from Amazon. There is no workaround :( .

I'd have bought the kit for $199, but I guess I'll wait for a cheaper price and hopefully for an improved version, that is a unit with a display and/or a volume knob.

Is is possible to just buy the Buttkicker Transducer? I would like to bolt a second unit to the opposite side of my couch, connect it in parallel to the other transducer, cut impedance a tad and work the Buttkicker amp a little harder.

I got another email from Amazon. There is no workaround :( .

I'd have bought the kit for $199, but I guess I'll wait for a cheaper price and hopefully for an improved version, that is a unit with a display and/or a volume knob.

I'm also in search for much cheaper one.
Inform us if you already found one. Thanks! http://www.*****************/trafficreport/img/3721/k08t1221bbuq/gdsmile.gif

Is is possible to just buy the Buttkicker Transducer? I would like to bolt a second unit to the opposite side of my couch, connect it in parallel to the other transducer, cut impedance a tad and work the Buttkicker amp a little harder.

I'm sorry, I'm a noob about transducer. I still have to buy my first one :o

I'm also in search for much cheaper one.
Inform us if you already found one. Thanks! http://www.*****************/trafficreport/img/3721/k08t1221bbuq/gdsmile.gif

I'll do. Anyway the code expire on June 30th, so I still might buy it from Amazon. $249 with free shipping and no tax is not too shabby being the best price I found so far ;) .

How many Buttkicker kits can you daisy chain together? (I currently have 3)
What is the best mode to watch Action Movies... Movie (Flat) or Music+6 (25hz).

I have found them to have great customer service for repairs! (Amp died and was replaced immediately)

How many Buttkicker kits can you daisy chain together? (I currently have 3)
What is the best mode to watch Action Movies... Movie (Flat) or Music+6 (25hz).

I have found them to have great customer service for repairs! (Amp died and was replaced immediately)

How many? I am asking a similar question as I know very little about BASH amplification.

I think it is an 8 ohm amp, so two ButtKickers wired in parallel will cut the impedance to 4 ohms. In turn the 300 Watt BASH Amp will automatically be forced to produce ~400 watts. Can the BASH handle that? Who knows? I ma sure at high volumes it will generate a lot of heat and the heat will damage it, but so far heat hasn't been an issue and I can't really crank it anyway. So I may try it. I would say in Parallel, two BKs would be the limit.

To be on the safe side I could wire two or MORE in series and maintain the impedance, but would 300 watts be enough? I guess I will just have to try it and see.

I have 3 daisy chained. 3 amps and 3 shakers one transmitter and one splitter of the AVR sub out line. Does that cut the impedance??

2 chairs, share a shaker at this point

I have 3 daisy chained. 3 amps and 3 shakers one transmitter and one splitter of the AVR sub out line. Does that cut the impedance??

2 chairs, share a shaker at this point

3 amplifiers each with a shaker? Then no, the impedance is the same to the shakers, but the signal feeding the amplifers is weakend a tad, but there is no other choice. You did good.

The idea is if you cut the impedance in half, then the amplifier doubles its power. In theory a 300 watt 8 ohm amp is a 600 watt 4 ohm amp when a 4 ohm load is connected. So if you take two 8ohm speakers (or shakers) and connect positive to positive and negative to negative you create a 4 ohm load.

What is the popular way to get the most out of the set up without having the shaker bottom out (clunk) on low hz. (Example Hulk 2)
Do they make upgraded shakers, for the BKA300 units?

I have seen sound meters set on the shaker or chair method.
But what db works?

Thanks for all replies

I would say it isn't particularly possible to prevent the shaker from bottoming out. Sure choosing a calibration point can reduce the occurance of them, but a good calibration for Hulk 2, may be too little for any other movie.

In my experience movies with very low LFE require me to drop the BK volume 2 presses, while others need a bump of 2.

My goal is to add a second one and place them on both sides of my couch which should provide acceptable minimum effects and a tad too strong without bottoming out on moveis such as Hulk since I won't need as much volume for the same vibration.

I would say it isn't particularly possible to prevent the shaker from bottoming out. Sure choosing a calibration point can reduce the occurance of them, but a good calibration for Hulk 2, may be too little for any other movie.

In my experience movies with very low LFE require me to drop the BK volume 2 presses, while others need a bump of 2.

My goal is to add a second one and place them on both sides of my couch which should provide acceptable minimum effects and a tad too strong without bottoming out on moveis such as Hulk since I won't need as much volume for the same vibration.

Unfortunately I think you are right. Every movie to every source, can be an unlimited combination of sub, speaker level, shaker, calibrations.

I just played the Hulk 2 low hz and back it down to non clunk.
Now it does seem a little light, for other movies.

Cheers

Unfortunately I think you are right. Every movie to every source, can be an unlimited combination of sub, speaker level, shake,r calibrations.

I just played the Hulk 2 low hz and back it down to non clunk.
Now it does seem a little light, for other movies.

Cheers

If you owned a Harmony remote you could create a Sequence labeled "Extreme" which could, at the push on one button, boost the volume about 5 times and another labeled "Relaxed" that cuts it 5. Maybe another button labeled "Boost" the advances the Volume 4 times as well as enable the +6db gain @ 25hz feature.

Just some ideas.

P.S. Owning a Twin Turbo Porsche with a dead battery, should be a punishable crime.

[QUOTE=vhato;16647230]If you owned a Harmony remote you could create a Sequence labeled "Extreme" which could, at the push on one button, boost the volume about 5 times and another labeled "Relaxed" that cuts it 5. Maybe another button labeled "Boost" the advances the Volume 4 times as well as enable the +6db gain @ 25hz feature.

Just some ideas.

Good ideas.
Will it control my PS3?
Which Harmony is recommended for ease of use..

[QUOTE=vhato;16647230]If you owned a Harmony remote you could create a Sequence labeled "Extreme" which could, at the push on one button, boost the volume about 5 times and another labeled "Relaxed" that cuts it 5. Maybe another button labeled "Boost" the advances the Volume 4 times as well as enable the +6db gain @ 25hz feature.

Just some ideas.

Good ideas.
Will it control my PS3?
Which Harmony is recommended for ease of use..

I use a Harmony 1000 w/RF Extender in the Living Room and a Harmony 510 in the Bedroom. Both contorl my PS3 using the Schmartz PS3IRX1 http://www.schmartstuff.com/ for $19.95. I programmed a PlayStation 2 in the Remote works great. They also have other options if you want more control. It works great enough for me to not replace it.

Logitech also has a $60 PS3 solution http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/&cl=us,en. It works just like the Schmartz PS3IR-500 at a cost difference.

As far as which is recommended? I can't say. For the most part all Harmony Remotes are the same and do the same job. Design, Button Layout, RF Feature and Touch Screen are all that separates them. They use the same software to program them.

[QUOTE=King Titus;16651227]

I use a Harmony 1000 w/RF Extender in the Living Room and a Harmony 510 in the Bedroom. Both contorl my PS3 using the Schmartz PS3IRX1 http://www.schmartstuff.com/ for $19.95. I programmed a PlayStation 2 in the Remote works great. They also have other options if you want more control. It works great enough for me to not replace it.

Logitech also has a $60 PS3 solution http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/universal_remotes/&cl=us,en. It works just like the Schmartz PS3IR-500 at a cost difference.

As far as which is recommended? I can't say. For the most part all Harmony Remotes are the same and do the same job. Design, Button Layout, RF Feature and Touch Screen are all that separates them. They use the same software to program them.

Great information!
Thank you again.

Coupon is expiring tomorrow.

I caved in :o and ordered one :D

*Edit* - Maybe I should have read more into the "bottoming out" discussion above - To clarify, this is a loud metal banging (like a tiny jackhammer on a metal plate) that I'm hearing. Would that be the same thing?

Question - I received mine yesterday from Amazon. It works wonderfully, except for a "clanking" sound when they really get going. I'm assuming that one of the pistons inside is hitting the housing. Has anybody else experienced this? I already ordered a replacement to be sent, but I'm curious if it's common or just a fluke.

Thanks for your help!

Yes, that is bottoming out. The solutions are: turn it down, add more units, or EQ it (or high pass it) to reduce the output in the lower frequencies (the ones most of us want the buttkickers for in the first place). I chose the second option.

Yes, that is bottoming out. The solutions are: turn it down, add more units, or EQ it (or high pass it) to reduce the output in the lower frequencies (the ones most of us want the buttkickers for in the first place). I chose the second option.


How does adding more units help? By turning the total output down?

I own the 300 wireless.

Thanks

Does the BK LFE bottom out like the BKA does?

Does the 1100 watt amp in the LFE kit vs. the 300 watt amp in the BKA kit mean that the LFE's can be driven harder, therefore the LFE's don't bottom out at the same levels that the BKA's do?

This stuff is new to me.

Thanks for any help.

the lower the frequency the more excursion a subwoofer or buttkicker has to handle... rather than restrict the performance to the point it almost never bottoms out like most powered subs, the buttkicker gives you ample power and lets you turn it down on the occasional track that hits it with very strong very low frequency.. or set the subsonic filter higher. Like a subwoofer, if one dosen't get you the shake you want, get 2 or more units..

For those who have an xbox 360....heres a way to calibrate your buttkicker

download this calibration file --> http://ifile.it/4tpls9o/20hz.mp3 - click "request download ticket" to start download.

this file is a 20hz tone that only trasducers like the buttkicker or very good subwoofers can reach.

before you play this 20hz.mp3 file:

1.) set the main volume of your 5.1/6.1/7.1 receiver to the volume you use for playing movies.

2.) get your buttkicker, and lay it upside down on a cushioned surface.
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3.) go to the now playing screen on the xbox 360 music dashboard. set the volume to max like this pic
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4.) lower the level of your buttkicker amp to 0 or the lowest level.

5.) your 5.1/6.1/7/1 receiver should have all your speakers set to small so the subwoofer channel will pick up all the frequencies below the value you set your crossover.

6.) play the 20hz.mp3 file

7.) increase the volume of the buttkicker amplifier one step at a time. you will notice the buttkicker vibrating. keep increasing the level unitl you hear the buttkicker making a distinct ticking sound. immediately go down one step volume.

8.) this level will be the level for movies. for games you will need to lower the main volume of the 5.1/6.1/7.1 receiver by 10 (not the buttkicker amplifier, leave it as is)...so if your main volume of your receiver is set at 40 for movies, for games set it to 30. games are recorded louder, i don't no the reason why...i guess they use a different standard then cinema studios.

If you can it is better to have the buttkicker installed upside down and under the area where you sit. I noticed that if the buttkicker is right side up, at least on my unit, there is a ticking sound even at low levels...installing it upside down solves the problem and the vibrations are more solid.

Surely any source of low frequency test tones will do and why 20hz?. For setting up the best method I know of is try a few of your fav bass heavy DVD's and place a butt in the seating position. Then adjust the gain to taste. For me I try to set the shaker gain so that the additional infrasonics is not an obvious add on but blends seamlessly with the subs own infrasonic's. This where a big sub can help.

I did try test tones from a cd to see what the the frequency response was like. I ran 2,4,8,17,20,32 Hz sine waves into my system upping the volume for each pass. If you want to read about the results see post #11 here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1177917)

I am using a quake 10b by the way and love it.

In step 7 what is the significance of the 'ticking sound' ?

yeah in step 7 you will hear a metal on metal ticking sound...you have to go a step down...if you set it above this metal on metal clacking sound your movies will bottom out at certain scenes with heavy low frequencies.

yeah i have been using dvds and music to calibrate the buttkicker but it gets tedious to play the dvd, look for the scene, and then loop it. It is much easier for me to just use this mp3 file...calibrate it quickly..and i'm done. Because at times i need to listen to the audio at different volume levels but i still want the same buttkicker level. with having the file on my xbox 360 i can set the main volume on my receiver, play the file, calibrate the buttkicker and i can start playing or watch movies.

using the 20 hz because that's the lowest level frequency that receivers can output(i know there are expensive 5.1/6.1/7.1 receivers that can ouput lower but majority of them only do 20hz) and only transducers or very good subwoofers can reach. so presuming that 20 hz is the lowest frequency your receiver will output i used 20hz as the calibration file so that you will definitely hear the 20 hz whenever it is played back.

googled the quake 10b... I want one of those quake 10bs....how do you connect yours to your seat/couch?

For those who have an xbox 360....heres a way to calibrate your buttkicker

download this calibration file --> http://ifile.it/4tpls9o/20hz.mp3 - click "request download ticket" to start download.



Thx for the tip. I'll also try to install my Buttkicker upside down :D

yeah in step 7 you will hear a metal on metal ticking sound...you have to go a step down...if you set it above this metal on metal clacking sound your movies will bottom out at certain scenes with heavy low frequencies.

yeah i have been using dvds and music to calibrate the buttkicker but it gets tedious to play the dvd, look for the scene, and then loop it. It is much easier for me to just use this mp3 file...calibrate it quickly..and i'm done. Because at times i need to listen to the audio at different volume levels but i still want the same buttkicker level. with having the file on my xbox 360 i can set the main volume on my receiver, play the file, calibrate the buttkicker and i can start playing or watch movies.

using the 20 hz because that's the lowest level frequency that receivers can output(i know there are expensive 5.1/6.1/7.1 receivers that can ouput lower but majority of them only do 20hz) and only transducers or very good subwoofers can reach. so presuming that 20 hz is the lowest frequency your receiver will output i used 20hz as the calibration file so that you will definitely hear the 20 hz whenever it is played back.

googled the quake 10b... I want one of those quake 10bs....how do you connect yours to your seat/couch?

I have not had the Quake 10b bottom out and one is powerful enough in my 3 seat sofa to blur vision. I mounted it very discretely inside my sofa using the heavy duty L shaped bracket that came with it. It can also be mounted directly to the frame if required. It has many mounting points so its easy. They do say its very important to mount it vertically. Not only does that help with the shaking effect but also is important to prevent premature wearing on the transducer. The same is probably true for the Buttkicker.

I wrote a small review on the Quake 10b... Google this 'earthquake sound q10b tactile sound unit XJ600r amp' and you will find it if your interested.

Re 20hz.... I am getting output down to 5hz and the shaker responds. The sub falls off around 10hz (PB13U)

yeah i replaced my buttkicker at amazon 2 times...i thought there was a problem with the units amazon was sending...but on my third i turned it upside down and clicking noise was gone. when upside down you don't here the metal clicking sounds and the vibration is very solid.

I like how the quake 10b has mounts on the top and bottom...if that was the case with the bka 300 i could use the couch mounting plate of the buttkicker under the leg of my couch with the buttkicker transducer mounted upside down.

i thought of and tried so many calibration methods...this one with the xbox 360 is the one that works for me ... its the quickest way to calibrate it when i have to lower the volume at night...and when i return the main volume to reference level.

i'm thinking about getting a BKA300. i'm going to wait for a good price. but i will not hold my breath.

There is the power buy for $199+shipping this weekend - I had thought about getting one, but was unsure if it was worth it or if I should just go to a larger unit.

There is the power buy for $199+shipping this weekend - I had thought about getting one, but was unsure if it was worth it or if I should just go to a larger unit.

i will try to find that. but i am not ready to buy anymore. since i posted that, i placed my dayton sub120 right behind my chair. that really help my subwoofage, while not cranking up the main subs.

ok, i found it. and it is VERY tempting. but, i have never felt one before, and i don't know what to expect.

Too bad it isn't free shipping as well - keeping it under $200 would be great