Does anyone know for sure how the Moxi will stream to the Moxi-Mate. Will it be able to use coax or will it require a networked connection?The Moxi doesn't have built-in MoCA, so some form of network connection will be required. But if you can't run an ethernet cable between rooms, there are various alternatives including third-party Homeplug AV (powerline networking) and MoCA (coax networking) adapters. With these solutions, one adapter would connect to the ethernet port on the Moxi and a second adapter would connect to the router elsewhere in your home.

Here's an example (http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/06_22_09GigabitPowerline.html) of such a product.

I just ordered and recieved bot a Tivo HDXL and a Moxi HD.

The fios tech came out yesterday but when he saw my order he thought it was incorrect and decided to only bring one M-Card. so right now only the tivo is fully working ... however the moxi is working with the clear-QAM channels.

so far I like the Moxi a little more. the interface seems better easier to read than the tivo. Also it uses the full screen which is nice.

Moxi supports 1080p verses tivo 1080i... until I get the other mcard I will not be able to test side by side.

also I have already used the moxi to replace the xbox 360 for streaming video from my video server in the basement. I have not spen too much time with that yet though. for reference I use tversity for streaming. I have heard that moxi requires mpeg2 for streaming and will not play other content without conversion(tversity).

the tivo has a slight pause when flipping channels that the motorola does not so I will wait for the second m-card on sunday to see if the moxi is better or worse...

I do like the tivo ratings and other shows you may like recordings.

the Moxi rep confirmed that moxi does not have the size issue that tivo has... (moxi must be 64bit) They have support for the new lacie 4TB esata drive. i have read that tivo has a max of 2TB regardless of where the drives are... I wonder if the cable labs will add a recording lifetime flag to keep you from building a library of recorded stuff...

the (same) moxi rep also said you can stream recorded content from one moxi to another...

the moxi games are more fun than they seem at first... my wife loves the video poker and black jack.... great little time wasters...

I had a tivo 2 when they first came out but found the ir blaster too cumbersum ... also when they briefly stopped the lifetime subscriptions that prevented me from geting a series 3... and the esata issues are way too much for me... the process for adding storage to the tivo is rediculous in my opinion.

Well that is about it for now ... I will repost next week with an update after I start using the moxi more... so far the moxi is in the lead for me... an extra $200 for a second moxi (over a second tivohd with lifetime) is steep but not a big enough difference to live with the tivo's limitations.

Don't expect to get 1080p output from the Moxi, because you won't. Moxi only supports 1080p24 output (like the TiVo hardware) and there are no 1080p24 channels announced or expected.

If you haven't used TiVo in awhile, be sure to check out the Using TiVo (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11126048&postcount=2#A2) section of the AVS TivoHD FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11126048&postcount=2#AA).

Don't expect to get 1080p output from the Moxi, because you won't. Moxi only supports 1080p24 output (like the TiVo hardware) and there are no 1080p24 channels announced or expected.



Why would they do this? Why support something that isn't there?

Why would they do this? Why support something that isn't there?It allows them to tout "1080p" in their marketing materials. People see "1080p" and their eyes light up, even though there is no practical benefit.

In the future, Moxi could support some [future] pay Internet service that supports 1080p24 streaming or downloads, such as Blockbuster or Amazon Unbox. That's about the only place you'll see 1080p24 used, aside from [future] cable company VOD which the Moxi doesn't support.

It allows them to tout "1080p" in their marketing materials. People see "1080p" and their eyes light up, even though there is no practical benefit.


Tacky.

Tacky.

That's no different than the tv's advertising 1080p.

Agreed. I just thought it meant you could stream 1080p from your computer.

Don't expect to get 1080p output from the Moxi, because you won't. Moxi only supports 1080p24 output (like the TiVo hardware) and there are no 1080p24 channels announced or expected.

Not true; but practically speaking I don't know what difference it makes. There are selectable sub-options under 1080 for 1080p/24 or 1080p/30 in the Moxi Menu.

'The Moxi HD DVR supports 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p 24hz/30hz.'
http://moxi.com/us/support/MC4R/MoxiHDDVR_FAQ.pdf (page 3)

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It's true a lotta' Moxi's pitch refers to TiVo and borders on hype!
http://moxi.com/us/home.html

Regarding TiVo vs. Moxi, TiVo's performance comes closest to, but doesn't achieve perfection. Moxi's performance is within the same order of magnitude, but isn't equal to TiVo's. By 'performance' I mean the ability to flawlessly accomplish what the device is designed to do; the design goals are a separate issue.

As I've stated previously TiVo vs. Moxi is reminiscent of TiVo vs. ReplayTV in the old days.

TiVo worked marginally better than ReplayTV but ReplayTV was designed much closer than TiVo for accomplishing what I wanted from a HDD recording machine. Understand that I found ReplayTV's signature automatic Commercial Advance flawed enough so it stayed turned off and its streaming version of MRV didn't work as well as TiVo's file transfer version when using an ethernet LAN, and in general was too glitchy to make a copy from.

ReplayTV's main features that drew me to it were its potentially disc sized recording buffer and superb EPG, as well as the 4XXX series Bypass option which eliminated delay and signal degradation when watching live. In practice ReplayTV's buffer would routinely get to 16+ hours if left alone before the daily data download would restart it. For emergency recording to another recorder it's even possible to 'stall' ReplayTV's buffer dump. The neatest trick of all is ReplayTV's unique capability to send its buffer output in a loop to its input and record to itself! (However it's much simpler to send a buffer segment to an outboard recorder.)

In similiar fashion I use Moxi's dongle to record from a standard def cable STB in an unending stream. Moxi's buffer is usually good for up to 3+ hours and is never less than 1½ hours.

In short, TiVo is better than Moxi for watching (almost) everything timeshifted, while Moxi is better than TiVo for routinely watching a mix of live and timeshifted programming, as I do.

'And that's the way it is!'

Not true; but practically speaking I don't know what difference it makes. There are selectable sub-options under 1080 for 1080p/24 or 1080p/30 in the Moxi Menu.That was a typo. But 1080p30 might as well not exist, because you won't find that content anywhere outside a small number of Blu-ray titles.

That's no different than the tv's advertising 1080p.I don't think it's quite the same.

Televisions can deinterlace 1080i content in 1080p60 for display. There is plenty of 1080p24 content available on disk (Blu-ray) that televisions can display at 1080p60.

We will see 1080p DVRs that can deinterlace 1080i into 1080p, it just won't be in 2009. Broadcom's next-generation DVR CPU (i.e. successor to the chip in the Moxi) is expected in products next year, and it will be the first to offer that capability.

Agreed. I just thought it meant you could stream 1080p from your computer.That you can do, provided you have a 1080p24 source in MPEG-2 at under 30Mbps. Over time, Moxi should add better support for other formats.

...no different than the tv's advertising 1080p.

When an image is created at a given resolution/quality level does anyone really believe that it looks better by upscaling it to a higher quality level without subjecting it to a long, drawn-out-in-realtime, selective enhancement project using a variety of sources, which breaks it down pixel-by-pixel and reformulates it?

http://wipednews.com/2009/07/17/nasa-over-the-moon-with-hollywood-enhancement/

I have Insight cable in Louisville, KY, and just got a Moxi HD DVR this week. Wondering if anyone has some suggestions for a problem they seem to be having getting the CableCARD to work correctly. I only get the "CCfree" / non-subscription digital channels. Doesn't matter if it's the non-HD or the HD channels. Any channel that is in a subscription pack will not come in.

On the Conditional access screen, I'm getting a Val: ? with Auth: MP or CAD. They've gotten Val: to show V, but always in combination with Auth: MP, never with Auth: S. The Moxi reps seem to all suggest sending a "Refresh" signal to the card, but Insight say they can only send "Initialize" and "Addressable Hit". I've had the Moxi rep talk to the Insight tech, to the 800# customer service, and to "Insight Dispatch", none of which knew what a "Refresh" signal was, and all said they had no more signals to send.

Anyone have any ideas at all on this? Apparently another (the 3rd one so far) tech is going to bring some kind of testing equipment out to make sure the Moxi HD DVR is "compatible" with their system, as they claim to have never set one of these boxes up on their system before. They say they have setup TiVos which work with both the S- and M-cards.

Another problem they seemed to have was when they paired the card, the Data # on the pairing screen would change. They would put it back in several times in a row and it would keep changing.

I have Insight cable in Louisville, KY, and just got a Moxi HD DVR this week. Wondering if anyone has some suggestions for a problem they seem to be having getting the CableCARD to work correctly. I only get the "CCfree" / non-subscription digital channels. Doesn't matter if it's the non-HD or the HD channels. Any channel that is in a subscription pack will not come in.

On the Conditional access screen, I'm getting a Val: ? with Auth: MP or CAD. They've gotten Val: to show V, but always in combination with Auth: MP, never with Auth: S. The Moxi reps seem to all suggest sending a "Refresh" signal to the card, but Insight say they can only send "Initialize" and "Addressable Hit". I've had the Moxi rep talk to the Insight tech, to the 800# customer service, and to "Insight Dispatch", none of which knew what a "Refresh" signal was, and all said they had no more signals to send.

Anyone have any ideas at all on this? Apparently another (the 3rd one so far) tech is going to bring some kind of testing equipment out to make sure the Moxi HD DVR is "compatible" with their system, as they claim to have never set one of these boxes up on their system before. They say they have setup TiVos which work with both the S- and M-cards.

Another problem they seemed to have was when they paired the card, the Data # on the pairing screen would change. They would put it back in several times in a row and it would keep changing.

Have you tried calling moxi and having them work talk to the cable company?... they seem pretty willing to do this in there documentation.

After getting the cable card installed in the moxi and using it for a day.... I have to say I am very impressed.

so far in my personal moxi vs tivo... here is the tally

moxi pros vs tivo
better program guide (refering to the design, this is just preference on my part)

better support for storage ( depending on how much hd I record this could be a huge deal).

better support for streaming to the box. I am already used to using tversity to stream video to the xbox360 so this was super easy to configure.

better guide functionality. I am able to remap my hd chanels to make watching them easier.

Tivo pros vs MOXi
better stability (I already have a ticket in with moxi due to losing the video signal when my hdmi switch moves from device to device)

better online program guide search and selection ( I like the only show hd shows)

I like the helper features I like to see shows that I may like.. I like the ratings even if my 2year old like to push the remote buttons and mess it all up :(

more community support... I am more comfortable that tivo will not just close up shop on me.


Motorola qip3216 pros vs moxi/tivo
better speed at everything... when I change a chanel it is instant... no 1 sec delay that I get with both moxi and tivo.

...The Moxi reps seem to all suggest sending a "Refresh" signal to the card, but Insight say they can only send "Initialize" and "Addressable Hit". I've had the Moxi rep talk to the Insight tech, to the 800# customer service, and to "Insight Dispatch", none of which knew what a "Refresh" signal was, and all said they had no more signals to send...

Have you tried calling moxi and having them work talk to the cable company?... they seem pretty willing to do this in there documentation.

That's exactly what he did.

My mistake I guess glanced through that part...

Well this is a new product although Diego has made cablebox's for while now.

it was a pretty quick install for me plug in card, have tech call company with all the numbers needed to pair and it worked. are you still within your 30days to send it back?

what where the reasons you picked moxi over tivo?

Does your cable company support tivohd's?

from my testing there are not a ton of difference between them and I would take either of them over my motorola...

what where the reasons you picked moxi over tivo? A more detailed list of pros/cons can be found here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16335482#post16335482). If you want to narrow it down, then it would be:

Moxi provides more features and options for liveTV viewing, and tends to be better for those who still watch a significant percentage of liveTV. TiVo provides more features and options for recording, and tends to be better those that watch mostly recorded programming.

Originally at the end of the linked post: If anyone else has something to add to this please post.

1.5 hour HD buffer per tuner (compared to 30 minutes for TiVo)

Moxis buffer is 1.5 hours per tuner minimum and can exceed 3 hours per tuner.

No overlap protection, so 1-2 minute program overlaps cause conflicts that can result in missed recordings. Many networks run their programs 1-2 minutes past the hour, and this creates conflicts with programs on other networks. TiVo clips off 1-2 minutes from the lowest-priority conflicting program so it still gets recorded, whereas Moxi cancels the recording for the conflicting program.

Moxi's Recording Options, can be set to shorten a recording's length up to 5 mins. or lengthen it up to 90 mins. when scheduling a recording (or afterward.)

If the user is recording a sports event to watch later, or to watch on a delay to skip commercials, the viewing experience is "spoiled" because the user sees the score before they've started to watch the recording. This behavior is detrimental to sports viewing, but sporting events aren't the only programs affected; key plot developments in movies and series may be revealed before the user has the opportunity to watch the recording. That is not the desired behavior, as it acts as a built-in spoiler.
When you finish watching a recorded program, the liveTV video window should always default to whatever channel is not recording. If two programs are recording, then display a black video window with a message, "Two recordings in progress. Press the LiveTV button to display the picture." If Moxi wishes to preserve the existing behavior for some users, then it should add this as an option in global settings.

When a recording is over Moxi displays the last still frame of the recording and no longer buffers that channel.

Interface not as intuitive (subjective)

Auto-correction on FF / REW not as accurate as TiVo (subjective)

Moxi assumes that the user has faster reflexes, so it provides less auto-correction than TiVo.

These 'subjective' posts can be phrased in reverse and be just as truthful. My take on them is that:

TiVo's interface IS more intuitive than Moxi, but Moxi is amazing at how it automatically makes order out of seeming chaos; just by repeatedly pressing the Moxi button you're back where you started no matter where you've been!

TiVo's autocorrection is a real drag to use; it's so exaggerated at faster speeds it's annoying. Moxi's is undercorrected a small amount and isn't nearly as annoying.

When changing from FF to RW or vice versa Moxi is much more intuitive to me than TiVo's using the reverse direction button to slow down the speed in the original direction.

If you want to narrow it down, then it would be:
Moxi provides more features and options for liveTV viewing, and tends to be better for those who still watch a significant percentage of liveTV. TiVo provides more features and options for recording, and tends to be better those that watch mostly recorded programming.

...In short, TiVo is better than Moxi for watching (almost) everything timeshifted, while Moxi is better than TiVo for routinely watching a mix of live and timeshifted programming, as I do...

I have both Moxi and S3 TiVo and use both without CableCARDS as well as another S3 used with CC's.

Thanks everyone for your posting. in a few days I'm going to have all 3 major DVRs(The DirecTV HD DVR(HR23-700), The HD Tivo, And the Moxi) with me.

I like many of the advantages Moxi, but one I do have a question about one.

In bkdtvs post # 17 You can edit / delete recordings online.

What editing can you do online?

Lots of good info posted here, thanks to all of you!

The Moxi looks very interesting to me. I am a little concerned about getting the CableCARD functioning though. We have Comcast in our area and they HATE the CCs. They have problems getting them to work and they always blame the technology and/or the device (television) for the problem. Case in point, my in-laws have had Crapcast techs at their home 3 separate times to get a CC working and finally gave up.

I use a CC in my TV and love that I can fully utilize my dual TV system the way it was designed.

All this being said, here's what I want in a DVR: Simplicity of use, expansion capability, AND NO MONTHLY PAYMENTS! I don't care if the device costs $2,000, I am tired of monthly payments! I hate the STB that Comcast provides mostly because of the terrible Standard Definition quality and definitely because of monthly payments. At least with a set price for my device (even at the outrageous price of $799 for the Moxi), I can decide whether or not I should or can purchase. I like the old fashioned way of "buying" my toys. Take time to save your money, purchase what you want, and use it until you tire of it or it breaks.

Whether or not I purchase the Moxi or the Tivo, I would definitely get the lifetime subscription so that comparison is a must. GUI elegance and some other comparisons mentioned in this thread are subjective and not really important to me.

Again, thanks for the good info.

I like many of the advantages Moxi, but one I do have a question about one.

In bkdtvs post # 17 You can edit / delete recordings online.

What editing can you do online?


In this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16335482#post16335482), bfdtv quotes a Moxi FAQ. By "edit" it is meant "schedule" as in "edit the schedule". You can schedule programs or series to be recorded, and remove programs and series from the schedule. Only basic scheduling is possible. Time can't be added or subtracted from the scheduled program or series, time slot can't be selected, accept repeats can't be set, etc. But when you're sitting at work and realize that you forgot to schedule something that starts before you get home, it's a real convenience!

I just watched the cruchpc or whatever it is called review on youtube.. while the interface is new it is not that much more confusing than the tivo's,

Also he made a big deal about the fact that the unit should only show you what channels you have... Again tivo does not even do this they take the opposite approach and only show you basic and then let you manually enter your extra channels...

He also mentioned that the tivo will work with any dlna based video source but that is not true you still need to load the tivo desktop. he said that the moxi does not play avi files but tivo does... again not true tivo requires tivo desktop to convert and copy files to the tivo hard drive, although you can start watching right away. My moxi plays my avi based files just fine through tversity so I am not sure why he did not do a little searching or even call support first...

so far i have had my tivo for a week and my moxi for 3 days and I am leaning very heavily towards the moxi... I can not find anything on the dlna 2.0 standard... but if true that would really rachet up the usefullness.

also BFDTV, you mention in your comparison that the moxi works with up to a 2TB eSata drive however it will work with the lacie 4TB eSata drive so it must use a 64bit OS... I think tivo is limited to a total of 2TB for its storage and doesn't the tivo need to link the two drives together.. is this the format and do you loose everything if you swap out external drives? that would really be a deal breaker for the tivo... for me anyway...

Also he made a big deal about the fact that the unit should only show you what channels you have... Again tivo does not even do this they take the opposite approach and only show you basic and then let you manually enter your extra channels... Manually enter other channels? I'm not sure what you mean here. Did you not have a CableCard installed? When a CableCard is installed, all your cable channels are displayed with guide data and there is nothing to manually add.

Once a CableCard is installed, TiVo enables every channel (except premiums and ppv) by default under Settings -> Channels -> Channel List. Then you uncheck the ones you don't want.

Channels you uncheck no longer appear in the guide. Channels you uncheck no longer show up in search results. Channels you uncheck are no longer recorded by TiVo suggestions. Channels you uncheck are no longer recorded by wishlists. More information in the Using TiVo FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11126048&postcount=2#A2).

Gizmodo's point was that they could not find the option to do the same thing on the Moxi. Gizmodo could not find any way to hide the search results for the channels he did not receive or did not watch, such as Playboy.

He also mentioned that the tivo will work with any dlna based video source but that is not true you still need to load the tivo desktop. he said that the moxi does not play avi files but tivo does... again not true tivo requires tivo desktop to convert and copy files to the tivo hard drive, although you can start watching right away. My moxi plays my avi based files just fine through tversity so I am not sure why he did not do a little searching or even call support first... I agree with you on that point. I did not understand his criticism. TiVo and Moxi both use Broadcom drivers, and Broadcom's drivers do not support native DIVX playback at this time. Both require that DIVX files be converted (transcoded) to MPEG-2.

TiVo's uses a Broadcom driver that supports MPEG-4 (MP4) files. I'm not sure whether Moxi currently supports that. If it doesn't, it probably will with a software update.

also BFDTV, you mention in your comparison that the moxi works with up to a 2TB eSata drive however it will work with the lacie 4TB eSata drive so it must use a 64bit OS...That's what Moxi told me via email. I'll send another email and ask.

The TiVo uses 64-bit addressing just like the Moxi, but the TiVo's Broadcom SATA driver only supports a maximum 1TiB partition size, which means a maximum of 2TiB based on how the TiVo's partitions are configured. To support more than that, either Moxi is using a different Broadcom SATA driver or they have the same limitation but are able to create and use more 1TiB partitions.

I think tivo is limited to a total of 2TB for its storage and doesn't the tivo need to link the two drives together.. is this the format and do you loose everything if you swap out external drives? that would really be a deal breaker for the tivo... for me anyway...Yes, Moxi has a definite advantage in the way it handles external drives. TiVo stripes (i.e. splits) all recordings across both the internal and external drives, you lose everything if you swap out external drives.

On the other hand, TiVo allows you to download recordings to your computer (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11126048&postcount=2#A4) in MPG format for viewing, editing, conversion for a portable media player (ex: iPhone), burning to DVD or Blu-ray, or transfer back at a later time. Moxi does not. I've got about 2TB of recordings on my server.

Manually enter other channels? I'm not sure what you mean here. Did you not have a CableCard installed? When a CableCard is installed, all your cable channels are displayed with guide data and there is nothing to manually add.

Once a CableCard is installed, TiVo enables every channel (except premiums and ppv) by default under Settings -> Channels -> Channel List. Then you uncheck the ones you don't want.

Channels you uncheck no longer appear in the guide. Channels you uncheck no longer show up in search results. Channels you uncheck are no longer recorded by TiVo suggestions. Channels you uncheck are no longer recorded by wishlists. More information in the Using TiVo FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11126048&postcount=2#A2)..

that is my point I added service after installing the tivo and when I went to search they were not there. I eventually found the place to add the channels one at a time which took a while (6 pages of channels to choose from).

the Moxi on the other hand has all of the channels my cable provider supports listed just like the motorola dvr that I have. (on a side note for everyone else reading the Tivo search is by far better and i like the fact that it will not show you results for shows you can not get.)





On the other hand, TiVo allows you to download recordings to your computer (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11126048&postcount=2#A4) in MPG format for viewing, editing, automatic conversion for a portable media player (ex: iPhone), burning to DVD or Blu-ray, or transfer back at a later time. Moxi does not. I've got about 2TB of recordings on my server.

is the video in HD? can you send it back to the tivo to view on the TV in the same quality it was recorded? EDIT: sorry I didnot see t he transfer back but are they in the same format?

that would make the tivo to go feature more usefull to me. but i have also heard that depending on your cable provider much of the content is blocked from ttg. If true that could be an issue.

The only issue i had with the moxi was quickly resolved by there customer service and it has been rock solid in heavy use for the 3 days since i installed the cable cards. The Tivo has also been rock solid but I have decided not to purchase the tivodesktop pro software since i do not plan to keep the tivo at this time. the external hard drives and the dlna are more important for me. Dlna because i already use a tversity server to stream to xbox 360's and a dlink dsm-520.. and the moxi is a better dlna player than either of those.

I would like to see VOD soon from moxi. This is an important feature and of course it needs to be HD .

that is my point I added service after installing the tivo and when I went to search they were not there. I eventually found the place to add the channels one at a time which took a while (6 pages of channels to choose from).I'm guessing you initially setup your TiVo with the option to "install CableCards later." If you do that, you may have to check the channels on the list manually once the CableCards are installed. If you had re-run guided setup after the CableCard install, all channels would've been enabled/checked automatically.

Anyway, Gizmodo's point is that TiVo makes it easy to remove channels you do not want so you never have to see them in the guide or search results. This is especially important to the TiVo, which will automatically record based on a channel search (such as all new Orioles games, all new series pilots, all Clint Eastwood movies in HD, etc). This feature wouldn't really work if there was no way to disable channels you do not receive.

is the video in HD? can you send it back to the tivo to view on the TV in the same quality it was recorded? EDIT: sorry I didnot see t he transfer back but are they in the same format?Yes, all recordings are downloaded bit-for-bit identical to the original. If the recording in in HD with DD5.1, that's exactly what you get when you download the recording. These recordings can be sent back to the TiVo at a later time, or they can be streamed to an Xbox360, PS3, Popcorn Hour, etc.

that would make the tivo to go feature more usefull to me. but i have also heard that depending on your cable provider much of the content is blocked from ttg. If true that could be an issue.The FCC prohibits restrictions on local SD/HD channels. Time Warner and Brighthouse are two providers that protect (i.e. block) virtually everything on cable. Most Comcast systems only protect the premium movie channels like HBO. Verizon FiOS does not protect anything for now, although they plan to protect the premium movie channels next year.

Launch TiVo Desktop, kmttg, or a web browser (https://tivoip with 'tivo' as login and your MAK as the password) and you can easily see what is and isn't protected. My preferred tool is kmttg (http://code.google.com/p/kmttg/) (screenshot (http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm314/ilovehdtv/Other/TivoHD/tivotogo/kmttg.png)) with its built-in decryption and commercial removal.

The only issue i had with the moxi was quickly resolved by there customer service and it has been rock solid in heavy use for the 3 days since i installed the cable cards. The Tivo has also been rock solid but I have decided not to purchase the tivodesktop pro software since i do not plan to keep the tivo at this time. the external hard drives and the dlna are more important for me. Dlna because i already use a tversity server to stream to xbox 360's and a dlink dsm-520.. and the moxi is a better dlna player than either of those.Disconnecting and reconnecting external drives doesn't seem very practical to me (it may be to others), since you have no means to organize or move recordings. The Moxi isn't like the Dish ViP722 that allows you to selectively move recordings between the internal and external drive; storage is random.

I do think that DLNA support is a definite advantage, especially with Windows 7 on the way. Windows 7 has built-in DLNA support, so you should be able to right-click on a video file and play it directly to the Moxi without any extra software.

Moxi has also said that it is working on DLNA 2.0 support (with DTCP-IP encryption), so eventually, that could enable it to stream recordings to other DLNA 2.0 compliant devices. If/when we might see DLNA 2.0 compatible hardware is unknown, but I think we'll see such products [I]eventually.

I would like to see VOD soon from moxi. This is an important feature and of course it needs to be HD .Moxi does not have the hardware to communicate with the cable company like a cable box, but they could certainly do like TiVo and partner with Netflix, Amazon, or Blockbuster to integrate those services directly, as necessary to support HD.

Disconnecting and reconnecting external drives doesn't seem very practical to me (it may be to others), since you have no means to organize or move recordings. The Moxi isn't like the Dish ViP722 that allows you to selectively move recordings between the internal and external drive; storage is random.

Moxi's system is more elegant than TiVo's but isn't a viable solution for unlimited storage, as I posted here (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7367677#post7367677). Too bad!

http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/lj_hard_disk_warning.html
http://www.larryjordan.biz/articles/lj_refreshing_hard_disk_storage.html

"Does not keep a record of recorded programs to prevent re-recording the same programs after they are deleted from the DVR."

Is this still an issue? I've emailed Moxi's support and they've danced around the issue.

After using both a MOXI and TivoHDxl for about 2 weeks I have decided to send back the tivo and buy a second moxi.

Most of this is due to personal preference however one key point that helped the desicion was that the tivo locked up twice on us and that really drove my wife crazy... fortunatly every thing was being recorded on not only the tivo but on the moxi and the fios DVR....

the Tivo had a much better search feature, smarter (i liked the recomended shows), and for people with fios and comcast tivo to go is a great feature.

lack of DLNA for streaming from my tversity, instability at least on the box I have, and in my opinion a hard to read interface were really the reasons i decided to send it back.


As for the MOXI I really can't say enough good things about this box... I prefer the interface, The DLNA player is the fastest one I have ever used. browsing movies is a cinch unlike my dsm-520 or xbox 360 which are both pains to scroll through the number of titles on my server. Also I can add a 4TB External HD to the MOXI which will be nice.

I have encountered what I thought were a few problems but a quick email to support resolved all of these as user error...

Also there are several big updates for the MOXI coming in the next release, If you already own a TIVO S3 or HD I would not give it up for the moxi unless you are really unhappy with it.. the MOXI is not a next gen DVR and there are still many places that the moxi software devopers need to catch up with tivo...

Anyone here from San Antonio? I'm unable to get all of my channel with the Moxi box. I'm wondering if Time Warner is Digital Simulcasting all of it's channels? If your able to get them all.

Dave Zatz who often has heads up on video gear posted this at TCF:

Grid guide is coming soon to Moxi. I don't have an exact date, but I've been told sooner rather than later and as part of the next software update.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7405252#post7405252

Anyone here from San Antonio? I'm unable to get all of my channel with the Moxi box. I'm wondering if Time Warner is Digital Simulcasting all of it's channels? If your able to get them all.Time Warner uses SDV for digital simulcast (and many SD and HD channels) in most of its markets. At this time, only the TiVo supports the SDV adapter (available from TWC at no added cost); this plugs into the USB port on the TiVo.

Moxi plans to support SDV by the end of the year.

OK. Do you know if I can use two analog dongles with the Moxi(As it has two USB ports) to let it record two analog channels?

Sorry; you can't.

Sorry; you can't.Have you tried it?

Have you tried it?Moxi says only one dongle is supported. Even if it were allowed, another analog dongle still wouldn't get you the SDV-only SD and HD channels.

You might email them at info@moxi.com to ask if there is any update on the status of SDV adapter support.

Moxi says only one dongle is supported. Even if it were allowed, another analog dongle still wouldn't get you the SDV-only SD and HD channels.

You might email them at info@moxi.com to ask if there is any update on the status of SDV adapter support.Many of the TWC markets simulcast their SDV channels in analog. In central Ohio many of the channels that my cable box receives as SDV are still viewable on my bedroom set that does not have a cable box.

Many of the TWC markets simulcast their SDV channels in analog. In central Ohio many of the channels that my cable box receives as SDV are still viewable on my bedroom set that does not have a cable box.The majority of SD channels are certainly available in analog, but the Moxi only has one analog tuner (using a dongle).

Many cable HD channels on Brighthouse, Cox, and TWC systems are SDV-only. As far as I know, a minority of SD channels are also SDV-only.

If TWC got rid of its analog channels (freeing up substantial capacity), then it wouldn't need SDV. Sixty analog channels consumes roughly the same capacity as 550-750 digital SD channels, or 120-180 HD channels, or some combination of the two.

Have you tried it?

Plugging in a second dongle? No. So perhaps it might work. But only one dongle is included per Moxi so I've reached the point of diminishing returns when considering that test!

When you are talking about the channel selection, to make them show up or not show up on the guide, do you mean making the channels disappear and not show up on your channels list? On my cable moxi you go to the settings tile then go to the channel list and you can select and deselect what channels you want to show up or not show up. I deselected all the QVC type channels and they disappeared from my searching and browsing. The rebooting in the middle of the night sounds like a software update and then a restart. My cable moxi from a few years ago does VOD so the software is at least in place. Why can the new box not do VOD?

I have surmised from the discussion that Moxi doesn't work with switched digital video, for now, but what I'm wondering is if there's a way to for a given cable system figure out which channels a Moxi would get, and which it would not. Mostly I record/watch in HD when I can, so I could care less about the lower quality variants, but some don't come in HD. Anyway, what I was wondering is if there's a list somewhere, or a way of figuring it out (like viewing without a cable box?).

I have surmised from the discussion that Moxi doesn't work with switched digital video, for now, but what I'm wondering is if there's a way to for a given cable system figure out which channels a Moxi would get, and which it would not. Mostly I record/watch in HD when I can, so I could care less about the lower quality variants, but some don't come in HD. Anyway, what I was wondering is if there's a list somewhere, or a way of figuring it out (like viewing without a cable box?).

Try your zip code here:
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

Probably not the exact type of list you are looking for, but will give you an idea of what digital channels are available (clear-QAM or ATSC) in your area. Keep in mind the Moxi will not be able to get the OTA ATSC lineup, just the cable.

I have surmised from the discussion that Moxi doesn't work with switched digital video, for now, but what I'm wondering is if there's a way to for a given cable system figure out which channels a Moxi would get, and which it would not.On most TWC systems, virtually all HD channels are SDV except for the locals and sports channels (ESPN, RSNs). Most digital SD cable channels are SDV, too.

Until Moxi adds SDV support like TiVo, I don't know that it's a viable option for most Brighthouse, Cox, and TWC customers. When I inquired a few months ago, Moxi told me that it hoped to support the SDV adapter by the end of the summer. You might email and call and ask about the current status.

I've been using Moxi for a few weeks(I was able to get everything set up) One thing I like is being able to tell it to only recored at only one time slot and not having to set up Complicated Wishlists. The Daily show only shows new episodes in one time slot each day and I can tell Moxi to only recored at 10:00PM to 10:30PM Monday-Thursday and it will ONLY recored in those time slots.

I've been using Moxi for a few weeks(I was able to get everything set up) One thing I like is being able to tell it to only recored at only one time slot and not having to set up Complicated Wishlists. The Daily show only shows new episodes in one time slot each day and I can tell Moxi to only recored at 10:00PM to 10:30PM.If you really want to regularly record one timeslot, TiVo already offers that option. It's under Find Programs -> Record by Time or Channel -> Set Up Manual Recording (screenshot (http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm314/ilovehdtv/Other/TivoHD/manual.jpg), screenshot of options (http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm314/ilovehdtv/Other/TivoHD/manual_options.jpg)). As a quick shortcut, press '7' from the TiVo menu. All recordings appear with program names, descriptions, etc and are prioritized and folderized just like any series recording.

The first problem with setting a specific time is that you miss episodes of that show (or another show show) when there are conflicts. The benefit of wishlists is that it takes conflicts out of the equation with automatic rescheduling. With a wishlist, you always get the first available episode that doesn't conflict with your other higher-priority shows, which can be the first showing, the reairing three hours later, or the reairing shown the next day, depending on what else you have scheduled.

The second problem with setting a specific time is that you still get repeats, albeit less of them. Twelve weeks out of the year, Comedy Central runs repeats of the Daily Show in its normal timeslot. These repeats often have a generic description so DVRs can't tell them from new episodes. A TiVo wishlist is able to ignore all repeats with the generic description, while the Moxi cannot.

I do agree that Moxi has does have an advantage if you want to record a specific timeslot, because the TiVo only offers timeslot options for single, daily, weekly, Mon-Fri, and Sat-Sun. There is no option for Mon-Thurs. Then again, Moxi lacks both wishlists and the manual timer screen, which can also be used to schedule recordings for programs that are more than 14 days out (allows up to a year out).

FYI... Existing Moxi owners should hopefully be receiving an email from Moxi late this week concerning the forthcoming update. There is no exact date being announced to the public yet but they're hoping they can get the software release out in the next 14 days.

Keep in mind that they're pretty conservative when it comes to pushing new software out. So if there are showstopper bugs uncovered in late beta testing, they'll push the release back again.

Existing customers may have noticed their Moxi's prompting to reboot for a middle of the night software update over the past few weeks as the release has been staged and units prepped.

In July, I had problems w/ my CableCard that engineering thought 6.0 would fix (and it did). So I unofficially officially got the new software early.

SDV support is one of the main new features in the upcoming 6.0 release. Requires an external tuning adapter. There is a new SDV diagnostic menu to read the cable co status info off the tuning adapter - just like w/ a CableCard. I got TWC to bring me a functional tuning adapter and Moxi talks to it just fine.

SDV isn't yet enabled in the entitlements though... they're hopefully due at the end of the week pending successful sign-off by engineering on the software release. Until the entitlements are released, SDV channels don't show up in the guide yet - except immediately following a reboot before the unit catches up w/ itself. ;)

Entitlements are the hidden little bits in your device profile that tell your Moxi what features to turn on/off or expose to the end user. Apparently the exec team laid the smack down to keep support from pushing entitlements out early.

Yes there is now a Grid Guide. I don't like grid guides so it doesn't turn my crank. Sort of reminds me of the old ReplayTV guide. Basic looking but functional.

Visually you won't notice any major changes but there are lots of little tweaks here and there.

The Favorites can now show favorite recordings (I assume favorite series recordings as that's all I've seen there).

Only minor annoyance is having an analog adapter and a tuning resolver attached at the same time takes up both available USB ports -the one on the front and the one on the back.

I will say that my unit seems more stable now on the 6.0 release. Wasn't really unstable before but I had lots of CableCard weirdness. This release has eliminated them for me. (Now if only TWC would fix their crappy over compression and pixelation issues on non-SDV HD channels... but that's not Moxi's fault.)

- IT Geek

itgeek,

Were you asked to sign a NDA? If not, how about some pictures of the new grid guide? ;)

No... just my word of honor that I'd behave myself.

I'll see if the engineers will let me do it w/o pissing off the execs. You know scooping Gizmodo can get you in big poop.

- IT Geek

itgeek (hey I'm one of those too!),

The grid guide is at least better looking than Comcast's right? Comcast shows 5 channels at a time, plus a big honkin ad at the bottom of the screen, and only 1 hour horizontally.

Ok, standard disclaimer applies... this is pre-release software. The final release may change. Features may look different or disappear when they move to final public release. I'm not covered by an NDA but be nice and don't go reposting them somewhere else. Last but not least, I suck at taking pictures of TV and my wide angle lens slightly pincushin/fish eye's the image.


http://lh6.ggpht.com/_5E07bsk4zlA/SnegvB3qw8I/AAAAAAAAP_g/tliJZjn4Io8/s400/100_8384.JPG

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_5E07bsk4zlA/SnegwQlGx-I/AAAAAAAAP_k/VwUZHip8Gu8/s400/100_8386.JPG

http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5E07bsk4zlA/Snegw2hVOBI/AAAAAAAAP_o/z-_DwwCsPo0/s400/100_8388.JPG

PS... My software version is 6.0.0.11R4BR

- IT Geek

So you can turn off the grid guide if you want too? If so that is pretty cool offering the best of both worlds

So you can turn off the grid guide if you want too? If so that is pretty cool offering the best of both worlds

You can use it or not use it. They have a shortcut to it from the remote (double tap the square). Hitting the Moxi key still takes you to the regular up-down scroll list - in which you can select the grid view if you don't remember the remote shortcut. But it doesn't change the Moxi key to default to the grid view. If you always want grid view, you have to use the new remote shortcut every time.

- IT Geek

Ok, standard disclaimer applies... this is pre-release software. The final release may change. Features may look different or disappear when they move to final public release. I'm not covered by an NDA but be nice and don't go reposting them somewhere else.
- IT GeekWow, very cool. Thanks.

Wow, very cool. Thanks.

PS... to answer your original question... they don't solicit end users as beta testers. Nor do they readily accept them. The software engineers basically took pity on me b/c of the problems I'd had. And I think my detailed but concise trouble reports, along w/ a lot of pre-troubleshooting on my part before I would ever submit an issue, warmed their hearts. :D

- IT Geek

Yes there is now a Grid Guide. I don't like grid guides so it doesn't turn my crank. Sort of reminds me of the old ReplayTV guide. Basic looking but functional.


I'm glad to see Moxi implement a Grid Guide. This is a great example that they are listening to the end user.

I also expect to hear a announcement about the Moxi-Mate sometime soon. Looking forward to seeing the exact specs/details on that.

Looks like the mate should be released within the next couple of days.

$399 retail or $1000 for the moxi and the mate.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/04/digeo-updates-the-moxi-hd-dvr-and-releases-the-moxi-mate/

here is another link
http://gizmodo.com/5329860/moxi-hd-dvr-gets-6tb-drive-support-spawns-moxi-mate-media-extender

Looks like the mate should be released within the next couple of days.

$399 retail or $1000 for the moxi and the mate.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/04/digeo-updates-the-moxi-hd-dvr-and-releases-the-moxi-mate/Engadget reports that existing Moxi owners will be able to order a Moxi Mate for $199. That price is reasonable, and much more in line with what Moxi was telling early adopters via email and phone.

The Moxi Mate can access (and delete?) recordings, but it doesn't have a guide and can't access liveTV. Only one Moxi Mate can stream a HD recording at a time. Hopefully, a future update will add the ability to schedule recordings.

I'm curious whether the Moxi Mate can access recordings-in-progress, or whether a recording must complete before it can play.

well it will be nice to see the full list of updates... I know another feature needed is moxi-moxi viewing lets hope that is in this update... looks like a good time two buy my second moxi with a mate... :)

funny I was just doing a search to find compatable esata drives when i found the gizmodo update.

(Moxi doesn't) solicit end users as beta testers. Nor do they readily accept them. The software engineers basically took pity on me b/c of the problems I'd had. And I think my detailed but concise trouble reports, along w/ a lot of pre-troubleshooting on my part before I would ever submit an issue, warmed their hearts. :D

- IT Geek

Before the standalone Moxi was introduced, Moxi briefly did solicit potential end users as beta testors.

You can use it or not use it. They have a shortcut to it from the remote (double tap the square). Hitting the Moxi key still takes you to the regular up-down scroll list - in which you can select the grid view if you don't remember the remote shortcut. But it doesn't change the Moxi key to default to the grid view. If you always want grid view, you have to use the new remote shortcut every time.

- IT Geek

When a user selects the grid EPG when would Moxi revert to its unique format other than when it occasionally reboots?

The Moxi Mate can access (and delete?) recordings, but it doesn't have a guide and can't access liveTV. Only one Moxi Mate can stream a HD recording at a time. Hopefully, a future update will add the ability to schedule recordings.They will be adding liveTV to the Moxi Mate soon:

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/04/digeo-updates-the-moxi-hd-dvr-and-releases-the-moxi-mate/image-page/16/

Unless Tivo adds Tru2way(By the way of a new box or the one I have) by at least the 2nd quarter of 2010 I'm outtie.

Thanks Moxi for adding SDV support(Making the choice so much easier).:up:

They will be adding liveTV to the Moxi Mate soon:

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/04/digeo-updates-the-moxi-hd-dvr-and-releases-the-moxi-mate/image-page/16/

This is a key feature I wanted to see in the Moxi-Mate.

They will be adding liveTV to the Moxi Mate soon:

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/04/digeo-updates-the-moxi-hd-dvr-and-releases-the-moxi-mate/image-page/16/Thanks, that makes the Moxi Mate a much more compelling solution than a recordings-only access device.

Its odd that Live TV wouldn't work. In essance live tv is a real-time recording. Whenever a tuner is on a channel there is a live buffer that is created, which is in essange a recorded show. I'm guessing if there is an issue it would be with the mate being able to control the tv tuners.

Only one Moxi Mate can stream a HD recording at a time.

Actually, this quote from crunchgear is wrong. You can use as many Mates per Moxi as you want, but you probably won't be able to stream more than 2 HD streams (2 Mates) at a time off of one Moxi.

Also, the Mates can access currently recording content within about a minute of the recording starting on the main unit.

Moxi includes DLNA support, so no third-party software is needed with Windows 7. In Windows 7, you simply right-click on the video and select "Send to Moxi" and it begins playing on the Moxi. And you don't need any special software installed for the Moxi to access the shared video folders on your Windows 7 PC. As alluded to above, Moxi also added support for more video formats without conversion or transcoding, such as MKV (with H.264).How do I get this to work? Even with music I right click on a song and I don't see "Send to Moxi".

Thanks.

How do I get this to work? Even with music I right click on a song and I don't see "Send to Moxi".Wait until you get the new software first.

Actually, this quote from crunchgear is wrong. You can use as many Mates per Moxi as you want.

In the conference call today they implied fewer are better. I don't know why. I think they said the cableco version supports 5, retail maxes out at 3 but they suggest no more than 2. Something like that. And it also sounds like the first is $200 with the promotion (which may or may not be permanent) but that if you wanted a second, it'd be the full $400.

I did a brief write up (busy day at work, sorry) and also shot a video running through the guides and showing the SDV stuff. It doesn't look much different than the shots leaked last night, tho. ;)

http://www.zatznotfunny.com/2009-08/digeo-launches-retail-moxi-mate-and-os-update/

Moxi.com website is now updated with the new Moxi Mate.

In the conference call today they implied fewer are better. I don't know why. I think they said the cableco version supports, retail maxes out at 3 but they suggest no more than 2.

http://moxi.com/us/faq.html

Multi-Room

8. How many Moxi Mates can I connect to my Moxi HD DVR?

At this time, we recommend that you connect one Moxi Mate. You can technically connect more than one Moxi Mate, but the two TV tuners would have to be shared across all connected set top boxes. You can also choose to purchase multiple Moxi HD DVRs in combination with Moxi Mates to provide access to additional rooms with additional TV tuners.

9. Can the Moxi Mate watch live TV?

At this time, the Moxi Mate does not tune to live TV. You can start recording a program on your Moxi HD DVR, and then begin watching the program on your Moxi Mate.

10. Can I start watching a show on my Moxi HD DVR and begin where I left off on my Moxi Mate?

Yes!

11. Do I need to set programs to record on both my Moxi HD DVR and my Moxi Mate?

No. Once you’ve set a program to record on your Moxi HD DVR, those programs will automatically be available to you on your Moxi Mate.

Just got my update(forced it). Picking up a Tuning adapter tomorrow.

Just got my update(forced it). Picking up a Tuning adapter tomorrow.

For those who were wondering, yes SDV and the required entitlements were in tonight's update.

The new software version is: 6.0.1.8R4BR.

You can trigger an update or the software install from the System -> Diagnostics -> Service Status menu.

The update can take a little while to install so don't freak out if it seams like nothing is happening.

My SDV tuning adapter is a Cisco branded STA1520.

- IT Geek

Moxi.com website is now updated with the new Moxi Mate.

I found it amusing that Moxi actually used the following quote on the updated front page:

“Introducing A Godsend, Moxi HD DVR.” Engadget HD

Strangely enough, they didn't include a link to the full review on the front page like they did with the other 4 or 5 quotes. I wonder why?:)

Speaking of the EndgadgetHD review, I owe an apology to Ben D. I read the review when it first came out and completely dismissed it as just another "Tivo does everything better.." review from a Tivo fanboy. After using the Moxi for over a month, I have to admit Ben was 100% spot on with his criticisms. His "Too many clicks" complaint is my biggest gripe. They overly complicate the simplest of tasks, from changing the channel to recording the current channel. When I'm scrolling through the channel list and I stop at new channel and press OK, I expect Moxi to tune to that channel. Instead Moxi decides I need a submenu with a list of every possible action available. It was quaint the first time, now it's just plain annoying. I also have to agree with Ben about the utter lack of customizations available to the interface. Is it too much to ask to be able to change the channel list order from ascending to descending? Or sort the Recorded TV by date instead of alphabetical order? Can I please get rid of all the useless Main Menu Icons that I never use? Or at least move the Settings Icon over by the other frequently used items? It seems like no matter what I want to do with my Moxi, no matter what button I push, Moxi always dumps me on the exact opposite side of where I want to be. So I have to start the endless cycle of scrolling, scrolling and more scrolling. The only thing I didn't see eye to eye with on the Endgadget HD review was their odd hatred for the video preview window. Personally, it doesn't bother me too much.

I'm sorry this turned into a rant, but I really had high hopes for this Moxi. It sounded exactly like the DVR I had been searching for since I gave up on Tivo. The hardware really is a fantastic piece of equipment. It's a terrific looking box that runs whisper silent and stays remarkably cool. Add in a lightning fast interface and gorgeous HD display, Moxi could have actually been the World's Best DVR. Sadly, poor execution in the software wound up dragging it down to just another DVR.

Well I can confirm both divx(avi) and h.264(mkv) are streaming just fine to the moxi..


On the PC
In windows media player right click on library, click more options, sharing tab and share my media. make sure the directory with the music/movies are added to the list of dirctories

On the moxi
open the moxi menu migrate to the media link connection and wait for your pc to show up. click on it and you should be good to go.

if you get a not authorized when you are trying to find your media go back to your pc and you should find a authorize device screen in the media player under the same sharing screen.

thats it...

or download playon, or tversity, if you have a mack you can use twonky...

I am not sure if the version of media player in windows 7 is dlna 2.0. I don't think it is so you will not be able to see media from the moxi yet. but stay tuned!

Are the tuning adapters tied to each CableCard? Or can I move them from unit to unit?

I am not sure if the version of media player in windows 7 is dlna 2.0. I don't think it is so you will not be able to see media from the moxi yet. but stay tuned!Did you enable DLNA in Windows 7?

I believe you do this in the "Network and Sharing center" control panel under "Change advanced sharing settings."

Question?? Can I stream recorded TV from my computer to the Moxi? More specifically recorded programs in Windows 7 Media Center. Kind of like using a Xbox 360 extender. It seems with the various codec's it supports and DLNA it should be possible, but I'm not familiar enough to know for sure.

From Contentinople

Digeo Intros Pricey Set-Top for Bedroom DVR Viewing

By Ryan Lawler, August 4. 2009

Fans of Digeo Inc. 's expensive high-definition (HD) digital video recorder (DVR) can rejoice knowing that the company has finally come up with a pricey new way to watch their recorded programming in other rooms of the house.

The new Moxi Mate set-top box is designed to have most of the functionality of Digeo's HD DVRs, allowing customers to watch programming directly from their DVR in other rooms of the house. Customers can also connect to networked home media files and view all the same over-the-top Web video content that is available through Digeo's existing DVRs.

But there are limitations to the new companion set-top box. Customers need to bring their own network for the Moxi Mate to work, and it doesn't have all the same live recording and scheduled recording functionality that is available through the Moxi HD DVR, according to Digeo CEO Greg Gudorf.

Furthermore, there are limits to how many recorded programs that consumers can watch at any one time. Moxi HD DVRs only allow up to three streams off the hard drive simultaneously, and Digeo recommends that users only have one Moxi mate running at a time, "or the performance will degrade," Gudorf says.

"We want to ensure that the performance remains top-notch," he says.

For customers that want to extend the capabilities of their existing Moxi HD DVRs without purchasing a whole new $799 system, Digeo is introducing the Moxi Mate set-top box at the not-so-low price of $399.

The company, which has never shied away from high-priced consumer products, is making some discounts for new customers that want to bundle a new Moxi HD DVR and Moxi Mate, offering both up for $999. And existing, loyal Moxi HD DVR customers can purchase a Moxi Mate at the discounted rate of $199.

Because some customers might get sticker shock, Digeo introduced payment plans earlier this year that make it products somewhat more attainable -- customers can now buy the Moxi HD DVR with four monthly payments of $199.75 or 20 monthly payments of $39.95.

The Moxi Mate will be available under similar terms -- through four monthly payments of $99.75 or 20 monthly payments of $19.95. And the bundled offering, priced at $999, will be available for four monthly installments of $249.75 or 20 monthly payments of $49.95.

For those who don't have to worry about payment plans but need to record the absolute most amount of video that could possibly be imaginable, Digeo has partnered with LaCie to enable customers to hook their HD DVRs up to the storage vendor's 6 Terabyte external hard drive. By doing so, consumers will be able to record 1,000 hours of video, or 12 times the amount that the Moxi HD DVR's internal storage is capable of holding.

And hey, that LaCie hard drive will only set you back another $1,399.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_exY9ptMbA

At this point it appears there's no Moxi Mate $200 promo!

They are probably only going to allow this to people that purchased the moxie before the release. If you are interested you should give them a call.

I am buying a second moxi and a mate together but would be interested to find out if you are able to buy one for your existing moxi at the reduced price.

BFDTV,
I do not think "play to" is fully baked yet. also you would need to have some way of authorizing a device for sending media. I would not want some creep in a van parked in my neighbor hood sending pron to my tv...

That being said. it is a dlna standard so I would expect it would be possible to support but not manditory as dlna is not a all or nothing standard.

Speaking of the EndgadgetHD review, I owe an apology to Ben D. I read the review when it first came out and completely dismissed it as just another "Tivo does everything better.." review from a Tivo fanboy. After using the Moxi for over a month, I have to admit Ben was 100% spot on with his criticisms. His "Too many clicks" complaint is my biggest gripe. They overly complicate the simplest of tasks, from changing the channel to recording the current channel. When I'm scrolling through the channel list and I stop at new channel and press OK, I expect Moxi to tune to that channel. Instead Moxi decides I need a submenu with a list of every possible action available. It was quaint the first time, now it's just plain annoying. I also have to agree with Ben about the utter lack of customizations available to the interface. Is it too much to ask to be able to change the channel list order from ascending to descending? Or sort the Recorded TV by date instead of alphabetical order? Can I please get rid of all the useless Main Menu Icons that I never use? Or at least move the Settings Icon over by the other frequently used items? It seems like no matter what I want to do with my Moxi, no matter what button I push, Moxi always dumps me on the exact opposite side of where I want to be. So I have to start the endless cycle of scrolling, scrolling and more scrolling. The only thing I didn't see eye to eye with on the Endgadget HD review was their odd hatred for the video preview window. Personally, it doesn't bother me too much.


I think a number of these issues with button presses may have to do with just getting used to what their shortcuts are. I think most things can be done with relatively few button presses. For example, if you press the 'play' button on the channel it will tune to it immediately (recording the current channel does take 2 presses though, 'rec' then 'OK').

Hopefully the lack of menu customizations is addressed with their next update.

Are the tuning adapters tied to each CableCard? Or can I move them from unit to unit?

You can move the tuning adapter from one Moxi to another without any problems. You may need to reboot the Moxi you move it to and wait a few minutes for the channel list to update properly.

Before the standalone Moxi was introduced, Moxi briefly did solicit potential end users as beta testors.

Dunno how many they signed up... I signed up back then and never heard back.

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When a user selects the grid EPG when would Moxi revert to its unique format other than when it occasionally reboots?

The grid guide is an additional feature, not a replacement feature or a setting. When you hit the Moxi key, you will *always* get the Moxi guide. In the Moxi Guide you can scroll down to Grid Guide and hit Ok to pull up the grid guide. Or you can hit the square key twice on the remote to go straight to the grid guide w/o going through the Moxi guide.

So when does Moxi revert to it's unique format... every time you hit the Moxi key.

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Are the tuning adapters tied to each CableCard? Or can I move them from unit to unit?

AFAIK, they're not tied to a specific CableCard but they are tied to a specific cable subscriber. So if you tried to use one on a friend's CableCard it might not work.

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AFAIK, they're not tied to a specific CableCard but they are tied to a specific cable subscriber. So if you tried to use one on a friend's CableCard it might not work.

- IT GeekI'm using it on my account. I have a Tivo and a Moxi in the house, I want to take the Tuning adapter from the Tivo and use it for the Moxi(Until I can get time and pick up a second one).

What kind of a "network" do I have to have to make the Moxi Mate work?

What kind of a "network" do I have to have to make the Moxi Mate work?You'll want a relatively high-performance network. Wireless 802.11g won't cut it.

You can run 100Mbps ethernet cable to each room. Or you can use Powerline AV (http://www.belkin.com/pressroom/releases/uploads/06_22_09GigabitPowerline.html) (power lines) or MoCA networking (http://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Ethernet-Over-Coax-Adapter/dp/B0022NHMZY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1249509152&sr=8-1) (coax).

If you have one Moxi or Moxi Mate connected with ethernet, you would need two powerline or MoCA adapters. Each link above is a kit of two adapters. One would connect to your router and the other to the second Moxi or Moxi Mate.

Attached is the picture just sent out in e-mail to Moxi owners with the details of the offer for a Moxi-Mate at $199. The only text in the e-mail was "To Purchase a Moxi Mate for just $199, click here: ..." with a personalized link.

Attached is the picture just sent out in e-mail to Moxi owners with the details of the offer for a Moxi-Mate at $199. The only text in the e-mail was "To Purchase a Moxi Mate for just $199, click here: ..." with a personalized link.

Do note the fine print... discounted Mates are not eligible for payment plans. So it's a one-time $199 payment. And if your Moxi is on a payment plan, your payments must be current to buy a Mate.

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You'll want a relatively high-performance network. Wireless 802.11g won't cut it.

FYI... An 802.11n bridge will work just fine. Just not b or g. Here's what I use:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122250

Note those are 5ghz only. And you need the pair unless you have an existing 5ghz Netgear router. They only bridge w/themselves.

I get ~85mbps of actual throughput on mine. Most I could get out of 802.11g was ~16mbps (which is good for g). Most I could ever get out of Powerline AV or Powerline HD was ~12mbps. Highest actual throughput I've ever seen for Powerline AV at someone's house was 24mbps.

So 5ghz 802.11n bridges are the best bet if you can't do MCoA. (Most people achieve right at 100mbps actual throughput over MCoA.)

- IT Geek

FYI... An 802.11n bridge will work just fine. Just not b or g. Here's what I use:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122250

Note those are 5ghz only. And you need the pair unless you have an existing 5ghz Netgear router. They only bridge w/themselves.

I get ~85mbps of actual throughput on mine. Most I could get out of 802.11g was ~16mbps (which is good for g). Most I could ever get out of Powerline AV or Powerline HD was ~12mbps. Highest actual throughput I've ever seen for Powerline AV at someone's house was 24mbps.

So 5ghz 802.11n bridges are the best bet if you can't do MCoA. (Most people achieve right at 100mbps actual throughput over MCoA.)

- IT Geek

How do you actually set this n bridge up? What connects to the Moxi main unit to accept the HD stream? What do you need to receive the wireless signal and connect to the Mate?

Sorry for the stupid questions, but I'm clueless on technology.

How do you actually set this n bridge up? What connects to the Moxi main unit to accept the HD stream? What do you need to receive the wireless signal and connect to the Mate?

With that particular Netgear set you need a pair. Power up one at your Moxi/Mate and plug the Moxi/Mate into it using an ethernet cable. And power up the 2nd one and plug it into your router using an ethernet cable. They will bridge automatically.

(Now if you live in a populated area, you'll want to run the Netgear configuration utility and change the settings from the defaults to protect you from folks hopping on your network.)

- IT Geek

Dunno how many they signed up... I signed up back then and never heard back.

- IT Geek

Hmmm. I signed up and did hear back; a rejection email. :(

When a user selects the grid EPG when would Moxi revert to its unique format other than when it occasionally reboots?

The grid guide is an additional feature, not a replacement feature or a setting. When you hit the Moxi key, you will *always* get the Moxi guide. In the Moxi Guide you can scroll down to Grid Guide and hit Ok to pull up the grid guide. Or you can hit the square key twice on the remote to go straight to the grid guide w/o going through the Moxi guide.

So when does Moxi revert to it's unique format... every time you hit the Moxi key.

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I just got the software upgrade and discovered how the grid guide works. One thing takes getting used to, at first I thought it a glitch: when selected through the channel line-up option, not by double pushing the 'recordings' button, a user can't keep pushing the MOXI button to escape from the option; a scroll up or down button must be pushed first to regain normal functionality. Clunky!

The grid guide has the potential to be useful, but as of now it's not. Why? Because, even though there's enough space for guide lettering to potentially equal ReplayTV's easily legible 4 x 3 ratio grid; Moxi for some strange reason chose what may be the smallest sized font any EPG has ever used. A really bad implementation!

Teeny li'l letters. Bah!!!

FYI... An 802.11n bridge will work just fine. Just not b or g. Here's what I use:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122250

Note those are 5ghz only. And you need the pair unless you have an existing 5ghz Netgear router. They only bridge w/themselves.

I get ~85mbps of actual throughput on mine. Most I could get out of 802.11g was ~16mbps (which is good for g). Most I could ever get out of Powerline AV or Powerline HD was ~12mbps. Highest actual throughput I've ever seen for Powerline AV at someone's house was 24mbps.

So 5ghz 802.11n bridges are the best bet if you can't do MCoA. (Most people achieve right at 100mbps actual throughput over MCoA.)

- IT Geek

EDIT: What kind of range do the Netgear units you're using provide? One of the reviewers appears disappointed.

I just called Moxi and asked about the recommended transfer speed, which they confirmed at 100mbps.

The DAP-1522 is another good option if are using a Wireless N router. It is dual band so it will work with either 2.4GHz/5GHz. It also has 4 ports, so you can connect your Moxi Mate and some other devices (Bluray, PS3, TV, etc).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833127256&Tpk=dap-1522

EDIT: What kind of range do the Netgear units you're using provide? One of the reviewers appears disappointed.


I'm in a 2-story townhouse... converted warehouse entry in an old cotton mill. Size = 1700 sq ft. Wide, not deep. I'm going ~65 feet but it's from 1st floor to 2nd floor... through 4 walls and a floor... and it's all diagonal.

Just remember that 5ghz doesn't have the longer distance penetration of 2.4ghz. But it does have short distance penetration and benefits from a generally lower amount of signal interference.

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I just recieved my parts for my esata expansion. I went simple with this one.

purchased a 2TB western digital green drive (5400rpm runs cool and quiet) and a rosewill esate external enclosure.

here are the part numbers
1 x ($22.99) EXT ENC ROSEWILL|RX35-AT-SC SLV R - Retail
1 x ($219.99) HD 2T|WD WD20EADS % - OEM

this was purchased at newegg although I am sure they are available all over the internet.
total price was around $250 delivered.

took about 5 minutes and a philups head screwdriver and I was ready to plug the unit into the moxi after connecting it the moxi prompted me to format the drive wich took about 20 minutes and then done.... easy upgrade, no need to use special formating tools, open a computer case or boot some special disk.

The only problem with this is the added heat into the av cabinet. it is not too much heat thanks to the cooler than normal drive. but it is a little bit.




next build will focus on a 4 disk raid setup with the same drives. (but only two drives installed for now) the problem with this system will be the size and added heat of this usit also I am sure this unit has a fan so it could be just too loud...

does anybody have any recomendations for a device that can measre decibles?

thanks,

John Crawford

does anybody have any recomendations for a device that can measre decibles?


One of these should measure in the decibel range of a small fan.

http://www.amazon.com/Extech-407730-130-Decibel-Digital-Sound/dp/B000EWY67W

http://www.amazon.com/Extech-407732-Decibel-Digital-Sound/dp/B000BEZV90/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1249667675&sr=1-2

I'm in a 2-story townhouse... converted warehouse entry in an old cotton mill. Size = 1700 sq ft. Wide, not deep. I'm going ~65 feet but it's from 1st floor to 2nd floor... through 4 walls and a floor... and it's all diagonal.

Just remember that 5ghz doesn't have the longer distance penetration of 2.4ghz. But it does have short distance penetration and benefits from a generally lower amount of signal interference.

- IT Geek

Here is another option:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1145636

xnappo

Here is another option:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1145636

xnappo

I love MCoA. Mentioned it up earlier in the thread. The problem in my townhouse is I don't have coax ports where I would need them. In fact the room I would put a Mate in has no coax at all. Only a phone line and electrical outlets.

My order of preference for networking is:
Wired Ethernet -> MCoA -> 802.11n -> PowerlineAV -> HD Powerline -> HPnA -> 802.11g

- IT Geek

Would you briefly describe the differences between:
PowerlineAV
HD Powerline
HPnA

Would you briefly describe the differences between: :o
PowerlineAV
HD Powerline
HPnA

PowerlineAV = Power line networking. Technically has a max symbol rate of ~200-220mbps. Standard is settled but they're still messing around w/ it trying to extend it. Real life IP throughput rarely bests 30mbps, ~20mbps being average I've seen in new construction and 12-15mbps elsewise.

HD Powerline = Power line networking. Technically has a max symbol rate of between 85-200mbps. Standard is a little fluid depending on vendor implementation. Panasonic is the big pusher. Real life IP throughput runs anywhere from 8-10mbps to upwards of 20mbps. In my new townhouse it maxed out at 18mbps. In my old apartment it was ~22mbps.

HPnA = Home PNA = Phone line networking. Sort of like a home version of DSL. When it works, it works great. When it doesn't, you'll never get it to work. Originally limited to 10mbps, the standard is more of a work-in-progress. Recent changes added support for coax. We'll see where it goes. Peak theoretical throughput w/ the new standard is 320mbps. It's sort of a variant of "extended reach ethernet" (VDSL) that is used in the corporate world.

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Thanks!

Am I correct then in believing that no currently available networking product using powerline carrier is fast enough for Moxi Mate and that I'd have to use nothing slower than 802.11n?

Am I correct then in believing that no currently available networking product using powerline carrier is fast enough for Moxi Mate and that I'd have to use nothing slower than 802.11n?

In theory, PowerlineAV and HD Powerline are fast enough for 1 Moxi Mate or network streaming from a PC. But in practice the result may be very different.

My suggestion would be you need to achieve at least 50mbps actual throughput on your local network for a Moxi and other video devices to be happy. For that you're probably going to have to go wired ethernet, MCoA, 802.11n, or get lucky w/ HomePNA.

For the moment at least, 802.11n is likely the cheapest solution b/c Newegg has those bridges on sale 2 for $50.

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Just an update. I recieved my second moxi and got it all hooked up using a linksys 802.11n bridge to a linksys 802.11n router/AP. This seems to work very well and replaced my aging 802.11g router/AP. I don't think the remotes included with the moxi are that great as I seem to be having issues with both of them controlling my pioneer reciever vsx-84tsi and my westinghouse 47" lcd in the bedroom.

anyway I have not yet opened a ticket with them on these and may just look into a newer multi remote anyway as most of the functions should be easily mappable.

streaming from box to box is very easy, and so far everything recorded can be streamed.

Just an update. I recieved my second moxi and got it all hooked up using a linksys 802.11n bridge to a linksys 802.11n router/AP.

Did you also get a Moxi Mate or just a second Moxi? I am curious to see a review on the Moxi Mate. Although I expect streaming from Moxi to Moxi or Moxi to Mate would be similar results. Are you able to resume watching when switching to a different Moxi or do you have to manually search to where you left off?

As an FYI... I just validated that the Netgear WNHDE111 5ghz bridges will connect to a Linksys WRT600N (running standard Linksys firmware). You just to have to manually set the Netgear's switch to Bridge mode and configure the settings in the web interface on it.

I have mine connected to the 5ghz network of my WRT600N using WPA2 w/ AES. And I use 40mhz wide channels.

If you have an 802.11n network and can't do MCoA where you want to put your Mate, I'd recommend this particular solution.

- IT Geek

Did you also get a Moxi Mate or just a second Moxi? I am curious to see a review on the Moxi Mate. Although I expect streaming from Moxi to Moxi or Moxi to Mate would be similar results. Are you able to resume watching when switching to a different Moxi or do you have to manually search to where you left off?

I just got my cable card installed last night and was able to tinker a little with the new moxi and the mate...

Positives:
Moxis interface
Seems to run smoother that the old moxi boxes.
Mate Displayed in HD
Playon - Watche a half a dozen old Southpark/Simpsons/Family Guy Episodes.
(Playon can show any show that hulu has and also has extra plugins ie
South Park)
Mate can use Playon

Negatives:
Mate can not do anything that has to do with the tuners. You can not set up a recording you can't see the guide. About 5-15 seconds after i start recording a show it shows up in the recording guide. I haven't tried to get to the recording options yet from a recorded show but I believe that it is locked down.

I only got about an hour or so with it last night, and I'll try to give more input as I get a little more time with the unit. I did end up running cat5e cable throughout the house to network the moxi/mate/home pc together.

Is there any trick to getting the transport controls working with PlayOn? The new software update did add support for avi and mkv files, and they play fine, but I couldn't get the FF/REV, Skip/Replay or 15 minute Next/Back buttons on the remote to work. I really didn't look too closely at all the PlayOn settings though.

Negatives:
Mate can not do anything that has to do with the tuners. You can not set up a recording you can't see the guide. About 5-15 seconds after i start recording a show it shows up in the recording guide. I haven't tried to get to the recording options yet from a recorded show but I believe that it is locked down.


I confirmed with Moxi (see response below) that live TV viewing and setting/managing recordings will be enabled later this year. Wish I had a approx date?? This is a important feature for me as 90% of my use of the Mate would just be needed for live TV since the HDTV in the second room doesn't have a internal tuner.


"This first release of the multi-room software will enable you to watch any of the content recorded on your Moxi HD DVR from the Moxi Mate as well as independently access any of the Internet Services. Live TV and setting/managing recordings is upcoming later in the year and would be provided at no charge.

Best regards,

The Moxi team"

I confirmed with Moxi (see response below) that live TV viewing and setting/managing recordings will be enabled later this year. Wish I had a approx date?? This is a important feature for me as 90% of my use of the Mate would just be needed for live TV since the HDTV in the second room doesn't have a internal tuner.


"This first release of the multi-room software will enable you to watch any of the content recorded on your Moxi HD DVR from the Moxi Mate as well as independently access any of the Internet Services. Live TV and setting/managing recordings is upcoming later in the year and would be provided at no charge.

Best regards,

The Moxi team"

I figured that they would update it, but when I asked about it they claimed that it was a cable company issue, and they "can't" do it until the cable companies allow them to. That would mean that until the cable companies decide to allow it it won't work indefinately. Personally I think its a software issue and they're just following the mantra if you can blame someone else for your problems do it.

I'm guessing we'll see the feature around March,April of next year.

I figured that they would update it, but when I asked about it they claimed that it was a cable company issue, and they "can't" do it until the cable companies allow them to. That would mean that until the cable companies decide to allow it it won't work indefinately. Personally I think its a software issue and they're just following the mantra if you can blame someone else for your problems do it.


I hope it isn't the cable companies holding them back or we will never see that feature enabled. Windows Media Center can stream live TV to an extender, so I'm not quite sure why Moxi would use that excuse.

* * *
Negatives:
Mate can not do anything that has to do with the tuners. You can not set up a recording you can't see the guide. About 5-15 seconds after i start recording a show it shows up in the recording guide. I haven't tried to get to the recording options yet from a recorded show but I believe that it is locked down.

I only got about an hour or so with it last night, and I'll try to give more input as I get a little more time with the unit. I did end up running cat5e cable throughout the house to network the moxi/mate/home pc together.

Am I reading this correctly that you cannot even see the guide of what's on TV through the Mate? That's a pretty big inconvenience.

Am I reading this correctly that you cannot even see the guide of what's on TV through the Mate? That's a pretty big inconvenience.That's correct. At this time, there is no way to view the guide or scheduled recordings on the Moxi Mate.

A guide without the ability to view liveTV would probably just confuse users.

One other little quirk with the mate that bugs me is that when you choose a recording it defaults to start over. I was watching a movie yesterday, and during the day I normally watch a movie in segments since I don't have 2 straight hours to watch tv. I ended up starting over the movie 3 times and had to fast forward back to the spot I left off.

Another thing that the moxi and the mate can't do is sync a program where you can't start watching a show on the moxi, stop the show, and then start where you left off on the mate.

One other little quirk with the mate that bugs me is that when you choose a recording it defaults to start over. I was watching a movie yesterday, and during the day I normally watch a movie in segments since I don't have 2 straight hours to watch tv. I ended up starting over the movie 3 times and had to fast forward back to the spot I left off.

Another thing that the moxi and the mate can't do is sync a program where you can't start watching a show on the moxi, stop the show, and then start where you left off on the mate.

open a support ticket with moxi maybe they will add it as a feature request in the next release.

considering how much they have added over the last six months in two big updates I would not be supprised to see another update in the fall.

I did make the comment to them but I also wanted to post it hear so if there are others may make the same comment and open a support ticket.

Does streaming to the Moxi Mate result in any degradation of HD audio or video quality?

Is there any possibility of a new model Moxi with ATSC support?

Does the Moxi require 1 or 2 cable cards for Verizon FIOS? Does it allow FIOS on demand?

Does streaming to the Moxi Mate result in any degradation of HD audio or video quality?Provided your network connection is sufficient, there is no degradation.

Is there any possibility of a new model Moxi with ATSC support?Moxi has no plans for ATSC support at this time.

Does the Moxi require 1 or 2 cable cards for Verizon FIOS? Does it allow FIOS on demand?The Moxi supports both tuners with a single M-CARD just like the TivoHD. In fact, the Moxi only has one CableCard slot so you must obtain a M-CARD to use both tuners with digital cable.

The Moxi does not support On Demand with any provider.

I just got my cable card installed last night and was able to tinker a little with the new moxi and the mate...

Positives:
Moxis interface
Seems to run smoother that the old moxi boxes.
Mate Displayed in HD
Playon - Watche a half a dozen old Southpark/Simpsons/Family Guy Episodes.
(Playon can show any show that hulu has and also has extra plugins ie
South Park)
Mate can use Playon

Negatives:
Mate can not do anything that has to do with the tuners. You can not set up a recording you can't see the guide. About 5-15 seconds after i start recording a show it shows up in the recording guide. I haven't tried to get to the recording options yet from a recorded show but I believe that it is locked down.

I only got about an hour or so with it last night, and I'll try to give more input as I get a little more time with the unit. I did end up running cat5e cable throughout the house to network the moxi/mate/home pc together.


What is PlayOn?

What is PlayOn?

Its an app for hardware that is connected to the internet. It works like an onDemand service. http://www.themediamall.com/playon is the website it is on. The software is normally $40 but with the moxi it is free (I'm not sure if this is an indefinate program or if it will end soon)

PlayOn allows you to watch Netflix, Hulu, CBS, YouTube, CNN, ESPN videos. Netflix, and Hulu seem to be the two best ones so far, CBS seems to be mostly clips, and ESPN has a few good segments but unless you only want to watch 1 clip sportcenter would probably be better. I haven't monkeyed with the YouTube but it doesn't appear to let you do a search, so I haven't found much use for it yet. There is a ton of content on Hulu but it can be a little intimidating to get to specific shows. I've found out if there is a show I may watch more than one of I can mark it as a favorite and all of those folders will show up in my favorites(you have to do it a second time on the mate as it wants to run as a seperate entity)

Provided your network connection is sufficient, there is no degradation.

Moxi has no plans for ATSC support at this time.

The Moxi supports both tuners with a single M-CARD just like the TivoHD. In fact, the Moxi only has one CableCard slot so you must obtain a M-CARD to use both tuners with digital cable.

The Moxi does not support On Demand with any provider.



Thanks. Does the non-degradation apply to a wireless connection as well?

Is there any possibility of a new model Moxi with ATSC support?

Moxi has never promised or even hinted at ATSC support.

It is possible however to manually set up standard-def recordings of ATSC OTA channels on Moxi using Moxi's analog dongle connected to a CECB. Recording ATSC through the dongle isn't as simple as setting up a recording from the EPG only, but is possible to do.

Zinwell's ZAT-970A and Dish's DTVPal Plus have VCR timers which change channels at preset times simplifying the process.

Thanks. Does the non-degradation apply to a wireless connection as well?A 802.11g network is not adequate. If you can maintain high-speed 802.11n connection without intermittent drops in throughput due to interference from other networks and devices, then yes.

With my older 802.11n router, throughput dropped significantly whenever I used the microwave, causing problems for MRV on my Tivos. I switched to MoCA (networking over coax) and am glad that I did. That said, newer 802.11n hardware using the 5.0GHz band should be subject to much less interference than older 2.4GHz equipment.

So tommorrow (8/31) is the last day $999 promotion for the Moxi/Mate combo unless it is extended. For those using the Mates, what is your overall impression? I really want to see live TV feature enabled before I buy one. I do see on the FAQ that you can resume on the Mate where the left off on the Moxi. For some reason I was under the impression that you would have to manually FF and find where you left off.

Too soon for me to tell you anything. I just set-up and registered Moxi Mate this morning.

If you can afford to, why not spring for it, see what you think, and return it within 30 days if you don't like it. It certainly was easy to set-up.

Are the mates available yet?

I ordered one about a month ago when I got the offer from Moxi but never heard anything since...

Are the mates available yet?

I ordered one about a month ago when I got the offer from Moxi but never heard anything since...

I would contact Moxi about your order. Amazon has had the Mates in stock for over three weeks.

fallingwater: I would be interested to hear your initial impressions of the Mate.....qaulity of streaming, responsiveness, features, etc.

So tommorrow (8/31) is the last day $999 promotion for the Moxi/Mate combo unless it is extended. For those using the Mates, what is your overall impression? I really want to see live TV feature enabled before I buy one. I do see on the FAQ that you can resume on the Mate where the left off on the Moxi. For some reason I was under the impression that you would have to manually FF and find where you left off.

So far I am happy with the mate. Not impressed but happy. First off you can stop watching a recorded show on your main moxi and then go to the mate and pick off where you left off. The downside is that on the mate the default option is to start over (which I have accidentally done way too many times).

Second the option to not be able to watch live tv is a big downside but I have noticed on that tv we don't watch as much live tv as we do on the main one.

Third I do have it wired with a cat5e connection so there isn't any picture degration, but I have noticed that it isn't as fluid as if I was watching it on the main moxi. If I try to fast forward it takes an extra second or two to kick in the same with stopping a fast forward. I have also noticed sometimes when I am fast forwarding the pictures don't keep up so when I stop the fast forward it jumps ahead a minute or two and I have to backtrack.

The PlayOn software I really enjoy and I have used that extensively. I just got into a Japanese Anime show called Naruto and I have watched the first 75 episodes on my tv through hulu that can be played through PlayOn.

There has been a couple of glitches with playon that I can expand upon later if someone wants me to.

I think with a couple of software updates the mate will become smoother and more responsive, and once that happens and watching live tv works it will be ready for primetime.

Its the same with most new hardware/software the early addopters tend to pay more, whether that be in money or lack of functionality. I'm guessing that even if this combo deal ends when they say it will they will have another deal sometime around Christmas.

Second the option to not be able to watch recorded shows is a big downside but I have noticed on that tv we don't watch as much live tv as we do on the main one.



If you can't watch recorded shows on the mate, what *can* you do with it?

If you can't watch recorded shows on the mate, what *can* you do with it?I think he misspoke. I assume he meant liveTV shows.

I did misspeak. Sorry about that.

Does anyone know if there is anyway to find out what Moxi's future road map is? Or is it a closely guarded secret? I am quite happy with my decision to go with Moxi but there are definitely a few additional features I would like to see.

Does anyone know if there is anyway to find out what Moxi's future road map is? Or is it a closely guarded secret? I am quite happy with my decision to go with Moxi but there are definitely a few additional features I would like to see.

Here is a unofficial link to a 2009 roadmap. Moxi has promised continued updates.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/04/digeo-updates-the-moxi-hd-dvr-and-releases-the-moxi-mate/image-page/16/

Anyone with Comcast in an area that requires Scientific Atlantic equipment (8300) able to get an MCard? My CSR's say only SCards are available and I can't use Moxi with that

Thanks

Anyone with Comcast in an area that requires Scientific Atlantic equipment (8300) able to get an MCard? My CSR's say only SCards are available and I can't use Moxi with thatComcast hasn't received anything but M-CARDs in more than a year. But they could be out of stock in your particular area.

I decided to try out the Moxi/Mate and purchased the combo. I placed the order on 8/31 to get the promotion, but it looks like the promo is still active on their website. The same Amazon promo ended as stated on 8/31. I will be comparing the Moxi Mate against using a Windows Media Center Extender. The Mate already has a disadvantage with not being able to stream live TV, but Moxi support promises this feature is coming soon.

As others mentioned, purchasing from the Moxi website through PayPal leaves you wondering if you really just placed a order. I received a PayPal confirmation, but nothing from Moxi. I emailed today and found the Moxi had already been shipped and is scheduled to arrive via FedEx today. So the fun begins this evening.

Comcast hasn't received anything but M-CARDs in more than a year. But they could be out of stock in your particular area.
Thanks, I will keep trying

Does the Moxi buffer both tuners simultaneously, like Tivo and does it continue to buffer both tuners while you are watching a recording. I hate the SA8300 box from comcast as it only buffers one tuner at a time and if you are watching a recording nothing buffers at all.

Is the Moxi easy to repair (change hard drive, power supply etc) like the Tivo? Is there any info on restoring or backing up the software so you can replace a dying hard drive

Thanks

fallingwater: I would be interested to hear your initial impressions of the Mate.....qaulity of streaming, responsiveness, features, etc.

Me too actually! :eek: I've been busy lately and have focused attention elsewhere. It'll take awhile.

I bought the Mate quick because of the price deal, but really need it like another hole-in-the-head. I was surprised to learn that the Mate can used as a standalone recorder for internet sourced programs.

Does the Moxi buffer both tuners simultaneously, like Tivo and does it continue to buffer both tuners while you are watching a recording.

Moxi buffers both tuners but not like TiVo. Moxi's buffers are much longer (from 1½ to over 3 hrs. both hi-def and standard-def in both digital and analog through the dongle) but when tuners are switched the viewable buffer indicates the present. If you want to go back you've got to jump back (in 15 min. jumps).

Moxi can record 3 programs simultaneously (one analog standard-def) but can buffer only 2 programs.

Moxi buffers both tuners but not like TiVo. Moxi's buffers are much longer (from 1½ to over 3 hrs. both hi-def and standard-def in both digital and analog through the dongle) but when tuners are switched the viewable buffer indicates the present. If you want to go back you've got to jump back (in 15 min. jumps).

Moxi can record 3 programs simultaneously (one analog standard-def) but can buffer only 2 programs.

Thanks but still a little confused. While watching a recorded program do the tuners still buffer? Say I had ABCHD on one tuner and NBC HD on another but was watching a recorded program for 15 minutes, then stopped the recorded program and went back to ABC or NBC, have those stations buffered for the 15 minutes?

Does the Moxi buffer both tuners simultaneously, like Tivo and does it continue to buffer both tuners while you are watching a recording. I hate the SA8300 box from comcast as it only buffers one tuner at a time and if you are watching a recording nothing buffers at all.The Moxi buffers both tuners, and each tuner is buffered longer than TiVo, but it does not save your place; it always reverts to live whenever you change channels or tuners. You can't pause one channel, switch to another channel (tuner), and then switch back to resume where you left off.

One big selling point for the Tivo is that the user can easily swap out harddrives and power supplies if needed. The software is available to load on a new drive.

How about Moxi, any info on user repairs to negate expensive trips back to Diego

I am trying to make sure I don't get a 800.00 box that is expensive to repair what should be an easy job

What is the truth, I have read statements similar to both of these around the net. Just wondering what is fact.


"Unlike TiVo's limitations regarding external HDDs, Moxi's system allows unlimited storage from DVR grade eSATA drives. Whether or not a user actually uses multiple drives it's nice to know that all won't be lost if a HDD fails. In its user manual Moxi claims to work with a 2TB maximum HDD size."



but I have also read things like

"One can connect an external hard drive to the Moxie, BUT if the Moxie unit fails the recordings on the hard drive, EVEN THOUGH IT STILL RUNS, become useless because the Moxie’s software won’t allow the hard drive to be recognized unless it was formatted by that unit originally! Even an identical replacement Moxie won’t work and requires that the hard drive be formatted, erasing all recordings!"


Do you really lose everything if the unit fails?

Anyone want to speculate on how long it will take before there is some hack to transfer programs to a pc, is it just a matter of the moxi gaining popularity?

Can you customize the guide to not show stations that you receive. (i.e. Food Channel)

Do you really lose everything if the unit fails? Yes. The CableLabs' DFAST licensing agreement -- which all manufacturers must agree to before they can sell a CableCard device -- requires that all recordings be (a) encrypted and (b) tied to a specific DVR. Recordings stored on an external drive cannot be accessed by a new device.

If your Moxi dies and/or needs to be replaced, then any recordings stored on the external drive become unusable.

Anyone want to speculate on how long it will take before there is some hack to transfer programs to a pc, is it just a matter of the moxi gaining popularity?According to Moxi (info@moxi.com), there are no plans to add that capability.

With DLNA 2.0 and DTCP-IP encrypted streaming, it may eventually be possible to view Moxi recordings on your PC using compliant software. But don't expect to ever have access to the recorded files themselves.

Can you customize the guide to not show stations that you receive. (i.e. Food Channel)

Yes. Go into the Settings - Channel List menu. You can add/remove channels from your guide there.

The Moxi buffers both tuners, and each tuner is buffered longer than TiVo, but it does not save your place; it always reverts to live whenever you change channels or tuners. You can't pause one channel, switch to another channel (tuner), and then switch back to resume where you left off.

MUCH longer than TiVo. There's no chance that a user will be confused by what's going on when starting from live. Any part of Moxi's up to 3 hour long recording buffer can be recalled in seconds when jumping back 15 mins. at a time.

Moxi and TiVo are designed from significantly different perspectives.

One big selling point for the Tivo is that the user can easily swap out harddrives and power supplies if needed. The software is available to load on a new drive.

How about Moxi, any info on user repairs to negate expensive trips back to Diego

I am trying to make sure I don't get a 800.00 box that is expensive to repair what should be an easy job

At this point, if user repairability is a big concern, go with TiVo.

I have had the problem in the past with losing my recorded shows on my external HD, when my moxi had to be replaced.(Cable moxi not retail)

If you wanted to I supose you could always clone your internal HD (this would probably void the warranty I am not sure though), and that would allow you to put in a different internal HD if yours would crash. You would lose any changes on your internal that you made after the fact, and any programs that utilize both your internal and external hd wouldn't work right either.

I don't know if anyone has tried this yet so I do not know if this will work or if it will brick your moxi.

Yes. Go into the Settings - Channel List menu. You can add/remove channels from your guide there.

thanks

Does anyone know if Moxi is working on the i.TV API? I don't know if you've used it, but the i.TV iPhone app has totally transformed my TV watching. I constantly use it now instead of that slow Comcast/Motorola 6412 EPG.

The free i.TV app is awesome! It shows grid listings when you tilt it horizontal, individual listings vertically. I would love to have it control my Moxi, but it only handles TiVo right now. :confused:

I have had a few days now to play around with the Moxi/Mate. Overall I have been very impressed. I was worried about the video quality streaming to the Mate, but have found no noticable degradation. The responsiveness of the Mate is excellent. I have actually found it seems to be "snappier" than the Moxi while going through menu options. The included PlayOn license key was a nice benefit. I love being able to watch Hulu through either the Moxi or Mate. This opens up endless amounts of video content.

I also own a Sony DHG-HDD250 HD DVR. There are a few features the Sony has that I have grown to appreciate, but the additional capabilities of the Moxi make those found in the Sony easier to live without. There is a learning curve on the Moxi, especially with remote commands. You definitely need to read the manual on this one. I can see why Moxi doesn't include a copy of the manual. Moxi is constantly implementing new features and changing the manual as the Moxi evolves. The Moxi GUI and channel guide has grown on me, but my wife prefers to use the grid guide.

The back-lit remote is nice. At first I found the button layout non-intuitive. But after using for a couple of days I have become more accustomed to it. My number one gripe would be they left out the TV "Input" button. The remote will control your TV's power and audio, but cannot select input. With my particular setup I am frequently changing TV inputs, so I often have to grab a second remote to select the input.

One odd thing I discovered is that you lose the "bonk" sounds (heard during remote commands) when you set the audio output to Dolby Digital. This isn't mentioned in the manual. This may or may not be a good thing if you normally like having the audio feedback of the bonk sounds. Personally I like them and hope this gets fixed in a future update.

One odd thing I discovered is that you lose the "bonk" sounds (heard during remote commands) when you set the audio output to Dolby Digital. This isn't mentioned in the manual. This may or may not be a good thing if you normally like having the audio feedback of the bonk sounds. Personally I like them and hope this gets fixed in a future update.The Moxi does not have the hardware to insert sounds into a Dolby Digital bitstream. The Tivo has the same limitations wrt navigation sounds. If you don't like having navigation sounds on some channels and not others, then you can always disable sounds.

Didn't see this mentioned anywhere:

ARRIS Purchases Digeo, Inc. in Cash Transaction

9/22/2009 - Suwanee, GA: Conference Call Wednesday, September 23, 2009, 8:30 AM EDT

ARRIS Group Inc. (Nasdaq: ARRS) announced today that it has agreed to purchase the assets of Digeo, Inc., including its intellectual property portfolio, for a cash purchase price of approximately $20 million.

...

ARRIS will continue to develop and market the current line of Digeo Digital Video Recorder (DVR) products, including Digeo’s Moxi Cable DVR and consumer HD DVR with its Emmy® award winning user interface. Moxi customers will continue to enjoy uninterrupted service and updates.

...

http://www.arrisi.com/press_events/press_releases/pressdetail.asp?id=481

Didn't see this mentioned anywhere:

Is this a good thing or bad thing??

Is this a good thing or bad thing??

No idea, but it sounds like there will be more details later on today. It looks like EndgadgetHD will be covering the conference call and has offered to pass along any questions that are left in their comment section.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/09/22/digeo-purchased-by-arris-promises-continued-moxi-development-s/

The end may or may not be near but in the meantime...an ARRIS pat!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMsBTHiFlCA&feature=related

No idea, but it sounds like there will be more details later on today. It looks like EndgadgetHD will be covering the conference call and has offered to pass along any questions that are left in their comment section.
I just posted a comment on Engadget asking what happened to the conference call. I'm not getting a good feeling from this $20 million firesale, especially since Paul Allen reportedly sank hundreds of millions into the company over the past 10 years. :confused:

I just posted a comment on Engadget asking what happened to the conference call. I'm not getting a good feeling from this $20 million firesale, especially since Paul Allen reportedly sank hundreds of millions into the company over the past 10 years. :confused:Odd thing is, I had just recently become aware of the Moxi unit (thanks to a glowing review in Home Theater magazine) and was seriously considering it - in fact, about to pull the trigger on ordering the Moxi and a Moxi Mate. Wednesday, when I went back to their website for a few final answers and saw the notice about the sale to Arris, the first thing that struck me was "$20 million all cash offer."
I thought "really? only $20 million?" And "all cash" tells me that somebody wanted to cut their losses and run. Then I came over here to see what else I could learn about Digeo. Suffice to say, I decided to go with a couple of TiVo units instead. Sorry Moxi. I'm just not convinced that Arris really will continue to develop the product. It appears to me that Arris really wanted some particular intellectual property and their related patents more than continuing the development of the Moxi.

I bought a new Moxi off of Craigs list for $400! I've had it for two weeks and I am very pleased with it. I had the latest Comcast/Motorola DVR before. The Moxis video is significantly better. Better sharpness, colors, contrast.

The audio, though it is digital out only better than the Comcast boxes digital out in a BIG way. I was always bugged by the Comcast DVRs sound quality digital out. It is very compressed, edgy and lacked any bass. I was chalking it up to Comcasts compression, but the Moxi sounds about as good as my Oppo DVD player did.

One thing that is bugging me is the sound of the hard drive in the Moxi. For some reason I am ultra sensitive to the sound of 3.5 inch drives, they have a high pitched wine that even when it's low and in the background, make my ears ring. The Moxi drive is not that loud, I am just very sensitive to it.

I would love to replace the 3.5 inch drive with a 2.5 inch drive. Does anyone know what format the drive is? Is it NTFS, or Fat etc. Is the Moxi a Linux box? I have a lot of experience cloning drives, so I want to try this.

I bought a new Moxi off of Craigs list for $400! I've had it for two weeks and I am very pleased with it. I had the latest Comcast/Motorola DVR before. The Moxis video is significantly better. Better sharpness, colors, contrast.

The audio, though it is digital out only better than the Comcast boxes digital out in a BIG way. I was always bugged by the Comcast DVRs sound quality digital out. It is very compressed, edgy and lacked any bass. I was chalking it up to Comcasts compression, but the Moxi sounds about as good as my Oppo DVD player did.

One thing that is bugging me is the sound of the hard drive in the Moxi. For some reason I am ultra sensitive to the sound of 3.5 inch drives, they have a high pitched wine that even when it's low and in the background, make my ears ring. The Moxi drive is not that loud, I am just very sensitive to it.

I would love to replace the 3.5 inch drive with a 2.5 inch drive. Does anyone know what format the drive is? Is it NTFS, or Fat etc. Is the Moxi a Linux box? I have a lot of experience cloning drives, so I want to try this.

I haven't noticed the whine sound but I do notice the "read/write" clicking sounds from the hard drive. I think the sounds just kind of resonate in the metal case. Makes a huge difference just placing a cloth on top, although I don't want to do that for heat reasons. The box is still very quiet. Quieter than my Sony HD DVR.

I think Engadget's initial review of this box didn't do it justice. Some of the negatives of the review were just plain not knowing how to use the functions of the remote. I'm sure the review didn't help sales on the units, especially since there isn't a lot of reviews to look at. The Home Theater magazine was a better review in my opinion.

Sorry Moxi. I'm just not convinced that Arris really will continue to develop the product. It appears to me that Arris really wanted some particular intellectual property and their related patents more than continuing the development of the Moxi.

I agree. But I bet the few existing standalone Moxi's will remain fun to play with and that Moxi's EPG info will remain available well beyond the life of this thread.

Looks like you can listen to the conference call here. I haven't listened yet, but will tonight after work.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?p=irol-eventDetails&c=87823&eventID=2449527

Here is an interesting PDF highlighting the convergence of ARRIS AND MOXI:

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjQ0OTUyN3xDaGlsZElEPTM1MjM3O XxUeXBlPTI=&t=1

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjQ0OTUyN3xDaGlsZElEPTM1MjM3O XxUeXBlPTI=&t=1

Arris's proposed Moxi® Home Gateway appears to be an evolutionary standalone Moxi branded product.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjQ0OTUyN3xDaGlsZElEPTM1MjM3O XxUeXBlPTI=&t=1

Arris's proposed Moxi® Home Gateway appears to be an evolutionary standalone Moxi branded product.From their conference call, it sounds like they are focused on cable operators, with the new home IP gateway product slated for 2011.

During the conference call, they mentioned that Digeo only saw $5 million in total revenue per quarter. If that's true, it's no wonder they were having difficulty.

For those of you that had previously had your displays ISF'd, have you noticed a 'red push' in the Moxi's picture and if so, was it addressed in the software updates?

I had previously owned a Moxi, but found I missed the grid guide. One of the things I mentioned to tech support to be addressed, was a red push on its output relative to other boxes I've owned.

I must admit though that I'm also concerned about the buy out of Diego.

From their conference call, it sounds like they are focused on cable operators, with the new home IP gateway product slated for 2011.

During the conference call, they mentioned that Digeo only saw $5 million in total revenue per quarter. If that's true, it's no wonder they were having difficulty.

I can't disagree. It'll be interesting to see how the Moxi® Home Gateway is promoted.

I wonder if present day standalone Moxi subs will get special offers for this new, probably high priced, system.

hey guys, anyone having any issues with their guide info? I noticed Friday night I started to lose some channel icons and last night I lost everything. There is no guide info, no icons, and it seems to be showing (and not showing) channels regardless of being enabled or disabled in the channel list. Am i the only one?

During the conference call, they mentioned that Digeo only saw $5 million in total revenue per quarter. If that's true, it's no wonder they were having difficulty.
No big surprise there - at $800, their DVR was at least $200 overpriced, they didn't have a brand name like Tivo, and they didn't do enough things better than Tivo.

hey guys, anyone having any issues with their guide info? I noticed Friday night I started to lose some channel icons and last night I lost everything. There is no guide info, no icons, and it seems to be showing (and not showing) channels regardless of being enabled or disabled in the channel list. Am i the only one?

No issues here. My guide still looks OK as of last night.

With the new season here, and my FiOS 6416 nearly full, I've started using my Moxi box more actively as well. Interesting swtiching back and forth between the two. More HD goodness!

Mike

...at $800, (Moxi's) DVR was at least $200 overpriced, they didn't have a brand name like Tivo, and they didn't do enough things better than Tivo.

TiVo is a familiar word, but is often (mis)used generically just to mean DVR.

Moxi is not $200 overpriced. It's priced about $200 more than a HDTiVo with 160GB HDD or $200 less than HDTiVo XL with a 1TB HDD when either TiVo is provided with Lifetime Service as the only TiVo on an account.

Bfdtv's comparison chart of current standalone recorders, which focuses on their different design philosophies:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17251356&postcount=6

Moxi doesn't do many things better than TiVo but sure does things differently! The best recorder is the one a user likes most.:p

Moxi doesn't do many things better than TiVo but sure does things differently! The best recorder is the one a user likes most.:p

I'll agree to that. I've owned a Tivo and currently own a Sony HD DVR and the Moxi with Moxi Mate. The Moxi is by far the funnest DVR to use. My wife agrees as well. The MRV through the Moxi Mate is one of the features I appreciate the most. Works flawlessly. The Moxi w/ Mate is the perfect package for my needs.

Moxi is not $200 overpriced. It's priced about $200 more than a HDTiVo with 160GB HDD or $200 less than HDTiVo XL with a 1TB HDD when either TiVo is provided with Lifetime Service as the only TiVo on an account.

Um, ok. So why did they fail? Might it have something to do with bundling the sub price in with the box, thus repeating the same mistakes that ReplayTV made?

I don't care how you justify it, in the consumer's mind $800 is way too much to spend upfront for a DVR, 'premium' or no. Especially in this economy. Not to mention that they didn't even advertise or sell it anywhere other than Amazon (that I can see).

Let's face it, Digeo was run by fools in the marketing dept. when this box was put on sale.

...
Moxi is not $200 overpriced. It's priced about $200 more than a HDTiVo with 160GB HDD or $200 less than HDTiVo XL with a 1TB HDD when either TiVo is provided with Lifetime Service as the only TiVo on an account.
...

At the same retailer (Amazon), the prices, last I checked, were approximately:
TivoHD: $250 ($650 w/ $400 subscription)
TivoHD XL: $470 ($870 w/ $400 subscription)
Moxi: $800
So, the differences are around $150 and $70, not $200 and $200.

At the same retailer (Amazon), the prices, last I checked, were approximately:
TivoHD: $250 ($650 w/ $400 subscription)
TivoHD XL: $470 ($870 w/ $400 subscription)
Moxi: $800
So, the differences are around $150 and $70, not $200 and $200.And, if you purchase a 2nd TiVo unit and buy lifetime service for it, TiVo will drop the lifetime sub to $299 for the 2nd unit.

At the same retailer (Amazon), the prices, last I checked, were approximately:
TivoHD: $250 ($650 w/ $400 subscription)
TivoHD XL: $470 ($870 w/ $400 subscription)
Moxi: $800
So, the differences are around $150 and $70, not $200 and $200.

Yep; that's true now. TiVo's getting cheaper!
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=ce_500_tivo1?ie=UTF8&node=1266092011&field-enc-merchantbin=ATVPDKIKX0DER&field-availability=-1&brand=tivo&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=left-2&pf_rd_r=1FW8FWCSY21HKMNSXGRB&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=481698111&pf_rd_i=1266092011
But I'd still buy a DVR because I liked it rather than because it was cheap.

And, if you purchase a 2nd TiVo unit and buy lifetime service for it, TiVo will drop the lifetime sub to $299 for the 2nd unit.

They sure will, but then you're talking spending at least $1200 for two TiVo's with small HDD's or $1640 for two with big ones or $1420 for one of each. Too bad Comcast restricts premium channels for transferring between TiVos.

TiVo makes the most reliable DVR but not the one that suits everyone best.

TiVo Service specializes in automatic everything. The best deal on TiVo for me would be picking up a Toshiba TiVo DVD recorder with Limited Basic service for $280 which provides a 'green card' for Manual :D to do the work using a 160 GB HDD and DVD-R. YMMV.
http://cgi.ebay.com/TOSHIBA-RSTX60-WITH-TiVO-REC-TV-TO-160GB-HARD-DISK-HOT_W0QQitemZ280403954128QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain _0?hash=item414960c9d0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

Um, ok. So why did they fail? Might it have something to do with bundling the sub price in with the box, thus repeating the same mistakes that ReplayTV made?

I don't care how you justify it, in the consumer's mind $800 is way too much to spend upfront for a DVR, 'premium' or no. Especially in this economy. Not to mention that they didn't even advertise or sell it anywhere other than Amazon (that I can see).

Let's face it, Digeo was run by fools in the marketing dept. when this box was put on sale.

For someone who has such negative feelings about Moxi you sure spend a lot of time in the Moxi thread. Hmmm.

As far as 'consumer's mind' you can only authoritatively speak about yours. While TiVo is cheaper it's far from cheap. And over a 10 year lifespan TiVo has yet to attain profitability on an ongoing basis. Except for patent attorneys TiVo doesn't present the sharpest business model or marketing.

Time will tell how Arris deals with all Moxi products. It's likely standalone Moxi was cheap to develop because Moxi's cable co. offerings are based on a similiar architecture.

Standalone Moxi is still available. For me Moxi is more fun no matter how good TiVo is at automatically counting beans. YMMV.

BTW, I still enjoy my ReplayTVs. They have the same functionality they ever had and a far more legible and useful EPG than TiVo.

There isn't much of a price difference between Moxi and Tivo.....if you get 1 tuner. For me the where Moxi won (in terms of my purchase) is with the Moxi Mate. If I would have boughten a TivoHD and a TivoHD XL (one more my main tv and one for my second tv in order to share shows I would have spent $1420 ($470 + $400 for lifetime subscription for the HDXL and $250 + $300 for the HD)

I would also still be spending an additional $4 a month for the additional cable card.

So the price difference for me was $1000 for the moxi and mate or $1420 + $4 a month for the 2-Tivos.

There isn't much of a price difference between Moxi and Tivo.....if you get 1 tuner. For me the where Moxi won (in terms of my purchase) is with the Moxi Mate. If I would have boughten a TivoHD and a TivoHD XL (one more my main tv and one for my second tv in order to share shows I would have spent $1420 ($470 + $400 for lifetime subscription for the HDXL and $250 + $300 for the HD)

I would also still be spending an additional $4 a month for the additional cable card.

So the price difference for me was $1000 for the moxi and mate or $1420 + $4 a month for the 2-Tivos.

Good point. Defnitely a very noticeable difference in that situation.

For someone who has such negative feelings about Moxi you sure spend a lot of time in the Moxi thread. Hmmm.

As far as 'consumer's mind' you can only authoritatively speak about yours. While TiVo is cheaper it's far from cheap. And over a 10 year lifespan TiVo has yet to attain profitability on an ongoing basis. Except for patent attorneys TiVo doesn't present the sharpest business model or marketing.

Time will tell how Arris deals with all Moxi products. It's likely standalone Moxi was cheap to develop because Moxi's cable co. offerings are based on a similiar architecture.

Standalone Moxi is still available. For me Moxi is more fun no matter how good TiVo is at automatically counting beans. YMMV.

BTW, I still enjoy my ReplayTVs. They have the same functionality they ever had and a far more legible and useful EPG than TiVo.

I can not speak for slowbiscuit, but I know that I want it to succeed, and feel disappointed that, in my opinion (and not just mine, I might add), it was mismanaged. I felt similarly (but much stronger) about ReplayTV - it was the best (IMO) and it never survived to the point that it offered HD or two tuners. I still look at it somewhat longingly when my daughter is using it. So, it is particularly disappointing that Digeo did not learn enough from ReplayTV history. Hopefully, Arris will do better.

For someone who has such negative feelings about Moxi you sure spend a lot of time in the Moxi thread. Hmmm.

As far as 'consumer's mind' you can only authoritatively speak about yours. While TiVo is cheaper it's far from cheap. And over a 10 year lifespan TiVo has yet to attain profitability on an ongoing basis. Except for patent attorneys TiVo doesn't present the sharpest business model or marketing.
LOL, I don't have negative feelings about the Moxi, I have negative feelings about Digeo. They reaped what they sowed, because they acted idiotically by repeating the same doomed approach used by ReplayTV when they bundled the sub price with the box. Therefore, I think the results speak for themselves when projecting the consumer's mind in this market. I wish they had succeeded just to provide competition to Tivo, but they didn't.

My comment about being overpriced wasn't meant as a comparison to an equivalent Tivo, it was a simple statement that the consumer was not willing to pay that much upfront for an HD DVR. Hell, I've read lots of comments from smart folks here on AVS about using cableCo DVRs because they don't want to drop $250 on a Tivo. Doesn't make much sense to me because even with a lifetime sub it will pay for itself in less than 3 years, but that's how they feel.

So $800 is not overpriced for the average consumer?? In this economy? And before you say, 'it's a premium DVR at a premium price', well I think we just found out how many 'premium' consumers there are. And it wasn't better than the well-known Tivo anyway, just different, and didn't have any brand awareness. No one knows what a Moxi is unless they are on a cableCo that uses them, but everyone knows what a Tivo is.

I'm happy that y'all are happy with the box, and I hope that Arris doesn't dump y'all on the floor by discontinuing guide service. But given the small number of boxes that shipped...

TiVo Service specializes in automatic everything. The best deal on TiVo for me would be picking up a Toshiba TiVo DVD recorder with Limited Basic service for $280 which provides a 'green card' for Manual :D to do the work using a 160 GB HDD and DVD-R. YMMV.
http://cgi.ebay.com/TOSHIBA-RSTX60-WITH-TiVO-REC-TV-TO-160GB-HARD-DISK-HOT_W0QQitemZ280403954128QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain _0?hash=item414960c9d0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Except that that box is SD only and will have limited functionality after cable converts analog to digital. It in no way compares to a Tivo HD or Moxi. As you said, YMMV.

Frankly, I think one of the best choices for full HD cable DVR service starting next year will be to buy one of the new 4- or 6- tuner Cablecard HTPC cards that will be coming out, then build a Windows 7 Media Center HTPC and use Xbox360s as extenders. No extra digital outlet fees from your cableCo (you only have to rent one Cablecard for up to 6 tuners) and more functionality than the Tivo or Moxi, with a cheaper price than either if you need a multi-TV setup.

I have 1 TiVo w/lifetime, and 2 DTiVo boxes. The original TiVo has been online since 1999 or so, and I've had DirecTV since 1996.

I had a short stint with Comcast and their HD DVR until Verizon came into town.

I have 2 Verizon HD DVRs.

I have 1 Moxi.

I did not take the plunge into TiVo HD, primarily because of the uncertainty of how SDV might have been dealt with; though a moot point, now with Verizon FiOS.

In a word, the overall lifetime costs of TiVo HD and Moxi are about the same.

TiVo and TiVo HD have been in the stores for years; Moxi has not been at all to my knowledge. The primary reason Moxi is seeing little to no market penetration is that most people don't even know it exists. The audience here on AVS Forum, as well as the other enthusiast sites is simply too small to make a significant dent in market share.

It has taken years for TiVo to penetrate the market, and still, with its clear lead in market share, it is still a company that is struggling. For awhile, they had some significant help in developing market share when they hitched their efforts to DirecTV. Alas, that did not continue.

The winners so far are the DVR suppliers to the cable companies - Motorola, and others.

If TiVo or Moxi truly had significant partnerships with the cable companies, there might be better market visibility. I am sure that either company would welcome such a partnership. But alas, it is not to be, except for a few successes for Moxi with sister company Charter (both have Paul Allen affiliation). TiVo has some multi-year experiments getting its user interface installed on the Comcast Motorola boxes in some markets in the Northeast.

Which is better? TiVo HD or Moxi? I'll leave it to others to debate this. From my perspective, each has advantages and disadvantages. I truly want both to succeed, because competition is good for the consumer.

What I like about the Moxi is the multi-room capabilities mentioned upthread; the Verizon FiOS boxes can do this too. Even better is Moxi's internet capability, tie to Play On for Hulu and other internet video sources; and one of my favorites, ability to play videos from my DLNA-server movie libraries. Verizon is testing some software for their FiOS boxes that provide some home media video capability, in addition to its deployed music and photo sharing.

TiVo HD can be expanded up to 2TB with certain external drives from WD (not just any eSATA drive), while the Moxi can be expanded with up to 6TB or more using most any external eSATA drive - they announced compatibility with LaCie's 6TB 4big Quadra. Of course, there are many TiVo expansion alternatives for the technical savvy; this doesn't help the average consumer, though.

I like the DLNA capability of the Moxi, since I can have easy access to any of the media on my home media server - this includes file and DLNA servers I have tested from Windows Vista, Windows Home Server, OS X, and LaCie.

I would have had a TiVo HD by now, if it weren't for the original higher cost + monthly fees, and the SDV uncertainty. But that is all sorted out now and prices are much lower now, so a moot point. Yes, there have been continued software improvements, but the TiVo HD hardware is getting quite old. I am holding out for a refresh beyond just a bigger hard drive. I expect something might show up in 2010 as others have speculated, too.

That's my 2 cents.

If you can see either box first hand, make your own comparisons. You're just more likely to see a TiVo HD first hand because of its retail presence.

Finally, as others have noted, if you only care about internet and server supplied video, your xBox or PS3 are all you really need. But for cable and premium channels, near term your choices are limited to cable-company-supplied DVRs, or the TiVo HD or Moxi boxes. ONce Win7 rolls out, look for some exciting alternatives since CableLabs and Microsoft have relaxed requirements for CableCard compatible digital tuners for Win7 based PCs.

Disclosure: as for the LaCie reference, yes, I am an employee of LaCie. I have played with DVR technology for years.

(The Toshiba TiVo DVD recorder) is SD only and will have limited functionality after cable converts analog to digital. It in no way compares to a Tivo HD or Moxi. As you said, YMMV.

The Toshiba TiVo DVD recorder controls a digital cable STB and will lose no functionality after cable converts to digital. Of course DVDs are intrinsically standard-def only.

All recorders require making compromises within an entire spectrum of options. The Toshiba TiVo with TiVo Basic Service is significantly cheaper overall than any TiVo which doesn't record DVD's. There's another Toshiba TiVo DVD recorder with 120GB HDD as well as a TiVo/DVD player with TiVo Basic which are typically offered much cheaper than the 160 GB Toshiba, BTW.

I prefer to save special programs to DVD more than I care about watching everything in hi-def. I generally record in standard-def and watch hi-def live or from the recording buffer.

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BTW, Moxi has design flaws, some of which are irritating. I sent the following email to Moxi yesterday after they reported on an issue I had reported:

Thanks for your evaluation. From what you state it appears that after any reboot it's normal for Moxi to only be recording one channel.

Unfortunately what's normal isn't necessarily the best configuration when compared with competing products. When I compare and evaluate several significant operating characteristics Moxi doesn't perform as well as TiVo; just differently. I like Moxi, but believe it should improve.

Moxi does have advantages though, especially when streaming programs to another room. Too often Premium channels can't be transferred as files. In addition Moxi is more useful and fun than TiVo when a user doesn't choose to watch everything timeshifted.

Typically the latest and newest offerings have the highest value associated with them. But TiVo's specialty is watching TV later than you have too. That's fine when there are schedule conflicts, but far more often than not I want to see a program I like as soon as it's first on.

LOL, I don't have negative feelings about the Moxi, I have negative feelings about Digeo. They reaped what they sowed, because they acted idiotically by repeating the same doomed approach used by ReplayTV when they bundled the sub price with the box. Therefore, I think the results speak for themselves when projecting the consumer's mind in this market. I wish they had succeeded just to provide competition to Tivo, but they didn't.

My comment about being overpriced wasn't meant as a comparison to an equivalent Tivo, it was a simple statement that the consumer was not willing to pay that much upfront for an HD DVR. Hell, I've read lots of comments from smart folks here on AVS about using cableCo DVRs because they don't want to drop $250 on a Tivo. Doesn't make much sense to me because even with a lifetime sub it will pay for itself in less than 3 years, but that's how they feel.

So $800 is not overpriced for the average consumer?? In this economy? And before you say, 'it's a premium DVR at a premium price', well I think we just found out how many 'premium' consumers there are. And it wasn't better than the well-known Tivo anyway, just different, and didn't have any brand awareness. No one knows what a Moxi is unless they are on a cableCo that uses them, but everyone knows what a Tivo is.

I'm happy that y'all are happy with the box, and I hope that Arris doesn't dump y'all on the floor by discontinuing guide service. But given the small number of boxes that shipped...

Perhaps ReplayTV's biggest mistake was trying to emulate TiVo instead of pursuing a uniquely different recorder. They could have removed internet file sharing and CA, if they had to, without completely redesigning the box. The incompatibility SonicBlu engineered between RTV's 4000 and 5000 series and their subsequent offer to replace 4000's for free cost them plenty.

Overall your posts are more simplistic and negative than analytical. Instead of spreading FUD, just wait awhile.

<shrug> And you have a habit of not reading or comprehending what folks write when you reply. I hope that Arris continues to provide service for the Moxi.

OK, folks let's cool down. These are just electronic toys that quickly lose their value, so nothing to get excited about.

So how about a Solomon's decision? I can get a Moxi with a nice discount that makes it cheaper than an HD XL TiVo with Lifetime.

What would you choose at this moment? How about if you were addicted to the i.TV iPhone app, which allows you to remotely program a TiVo? Let me know what you would pick. :)

I'm happy that y'all are happy with the box, and I hope that Arris doesn't dump y'all on the floor by discontinuing guide service. But given the small number of boxes that shipped...

Overall your posts are more simplistic and negative than analytical. Instead of spreading FUD, just wait awhile.

<shrug> And you have a habit of not reading or comprehending what folks write when you reply. I hope that Arris continues to provide service for the Moxi.

I comprehend the difference between the highlighted sentences in the two posts quoted above. Do you? :rolleyes:

OK, folks let's cool down. These are just electronic toys that quickly lose their value, so nothing to get excited about.

I own a Moxi, a Moxi Mate, and 7 TiVo's with Lifetime Service including 2 S3's and a HDTiVo. (Currently I only use the TiVo S3s.)

I post here and at TCF; don't disparage either at either site but have been critical of both. The poster with whom I differ doesn't own any Moxi product but routinely disparages Moxi in the Moxi thread.

So how about a Solomon's decision? I can get a Moxi with a nice discount that makes it cheaper than an HD XL TiVo with Lifetime.

What would you choose at this moment? How about if you were addicted to the i.TV iPhone app, which allows you to remotely program a TiVo? Let me know what you would pick. :)

Buy one of each! :D

RE: remote programming with your iPhone

I can remotely program my Verizon box, and my Moxi box from my Nokia smartphone or any internet browser computer - no special app needed at all. I can't do this with my ancient DirecTiVo's unfortunately, but of course one can do this with any of the TiVo HD units.

Next challenge?

PS yeah, the iPhone is cool and all that, but not everyone has one (my son does); and it can't do everything, despite what that SNL parody claimed.

I post here and at TCF; don't disparage either at either site but have been critical of both. The poster with whom I differ doesn't own any Moxi product but routinely disparages Moxi in the Moxi thread.

LOL, I don't have negative feelings about the Moxi, I have negative feelings about Digeo.

I rest my case. Enjoy your box, for as long as support for it lasts. But understand that you bought a low volume product within a niche, that's all.

LOL, I don't have negative feelings about the Moxi, I have negative feelings about Digeo.

The poster with whom I differ doesn't own any Moxi product but routinely disparages Moxi in the Moxi thread.

I rest my case. Enjoy your box, for as long as support for it lasts. But understand that you bought a low volume product within a niche, that's all.

Since Moxi is now owned by Arris, what exactly IS your case for posting here other than spreading FUD? :eek:

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At one time I thought I disliked TiVo. After reconsidering why, I realized there's no problem whatsoever with TiVo; my distaste is for TiVo fanatics who continually espouse their way of watching TV as the only acceptable method for an intelligent person to consider. :rolleyes:

Once again, you prove what I wrote about lack of comprehension. I NEVER said that Tivo is the only acceptable way to record and watch TV, nor did I imply it. In fact if you look at posts above I mentioned building an HTPC setup with Windows 7 and the soon-to-arrive 4-or-6 way Cablecard tuners. And I run a Myth box now for clear QAM HD recordings. But hey, if putting words into my mouth makes you feel froggy, then jump away.

For the reading impaired, once again - I think Moxi is a FINE alternative to Tivo, tech-wise. I just don't like the way Digeo (mis)managed the marketing, and I fear that Arris will have little incentive to keep it going - they may have just wanted the intellectual property. But they'd probably have a lawsuit on their hands from some of you if they did try to discontinue guide service. We'll see what happens.

Since Moxi is now owned by Arris, what exactly IS your case for posting here other than spreading FUD? :eek:

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At one time I thought I disliked TiVo. After reconsidering why, I realized there's no problem whatsoever with TiVo; my distaste is for TiVo fanatics who continually espouse their way of watching TV as the only acceptable method for an intelligent person to consider. :rolleyes:

Once again, you prove what I wrote about lack of comprehension. I NEVER said that Tivo is the only acceptable way to record and watch TV, nor did I imply it. In fact if you look at posts above I mentioned building an HTPC setup with Windows 7 and the soon-to-arrive 4-or-6 way Cablecard tuners. And I run a Myth box now for clear QAM HD recordings. But hey, if putting words into my mouth makes you feel froggy, then jump away.

For the reading impaired, once again - I think Moxi is a FINE alternative to Tivo, tech-wise. I just don't like the way Digeo (mis)managed the marketing, and I fear that Arris will have little incentive to keep it going - they may have just wanted the intellectual property. But they'd probably have a lawsuit on their hands from some of you if they did try to discontinue guide service. We'll see what happens.

Hmmm. Now you're going the insult route.

Notice two things: (1) The three li'l dashes separating the question I asked you (as an individual) from the observation about some TiVo fans, and (2) the complete absense of anything referring to you in that observation. Of course your 'reading impaired' reference isn't required to be, but in context appears to be, directed my way.

Unfortunately, with regard to specific features and functionalities, Moxi is NOT always 'a fine alternative to TiVo'. In other ways it is. For me it's simply more fun! It's an individual user's call.

FWIW, I have no interest in an EPG lawsuit.

I agree completely with your last sentence. If it wouldn't be impractically difficult to get a trustworthy intermediary to hold the dough, I'd bet you $100 that Moxi's EPG will be available until at least Jan. 1, 2015. (Of course it might be available much longer!) Wonder if bfdtv would do it.

Buy one of each! :D
Haha, well I already have too much equipment clutter, so must choose just one. :eek:

Enjoy your box, for as long as support for it lasts. But understand that you bought a low volume product within a niche, that's all.

I'd bet you $100 that Moxi's EPG will be available until at least Jan. 1, 2015. (Of course it might be available much longer!)

Hm, this is NOT making my decision process any easier! :rolleyes:

So to make the story short, instead of getting into a lot of details, an "engineer" (as the Ohio State tech person refers to him, with the OSU tech serving as a middle man, haven't spoken to this "engineer" directly) has said that the Moxi DVR is not working in Ohio, but referenced New York as being a state where everything is running smoothly.
Not entirely sure what he means here, and how long ago this fact came to be true, and if some for some reason it still is... but I imagine the SDV tuner adapter has been integrated into the overall picture seeing as it has been a part of prior discussions.

By the way, this is with Time Warner Mid-Ohio region.
Anybody else in the region, or even the state itself, have a Moxi HD DVR and everything works the way it should?

I don't know if this tech knows the Moxi now has SDV support and the last test he knows was when the DVR did not have SDV support, and/or if this is just some typical TWC tactic to prevent the customer making a switch to CableCard instead of a set top box.

Anyone able to offer up any help? Maybe some encouraging words that will help sway this tech into giving me a card?

The short story of the OSU issue: I am in an on-campus apartment/dorm and to get a cable card an OSU tech has to install it for me, no TWC techs are allowed inside. That was TWC's answer to the problem, as they will not permit the customer to install it.

I already own the Moxi and have been getting a lengthy run around with this whole situation. First it started with no TWC representatives knowing they cannot schedule a tech trip to my building, and now it is this. I just want to put that black box sitting idle to use.
Not to mention tired of this terrible Scientific Atlanta box.

So to make the story short, instead of getting into a lot of details, an "engineer" (as the Ohio State tech person refers to him, with the OSU tech serving as a middle man, haven't spoken to this "engineer" directly) has said that the Moxi DVR is not working in Ohio, but referenced New York as being a state where everything is running smoothly.
Not entirely sure what he means here, and how long ago this fact came to be true, and if some for some reason it still is... but I imagine the SDV tuner adapter has been integrated into the overall picture seeing as it has been a part of prior discussions.

By the way, this is with Time Warner Mid-Ohio region.
Anybody else in the region, or even the state itself, have a Moxi HD DVR and everything works the way it should?

I don't know if this tech knows the Moxi now has SDV support and the last test he knows was when the DVR did not have SDV support, and/or if this is just some typical TWC tactic to prevent the customer making a switch to CableCard instead of a set top box.

Anyone able to offer up any help? Maybe some encouraging words that will help sway this tech into giving me a card?

The short story of the OSU issue: I am in an on-campus apartment/dorm and to get a cable card an OSU tech has to install it for me, no TWC techs are allowed inside. That was TWC's answer to the problem, as they will not permit the customer to install it.

I already own the Moxi and have been getting a lengthy run around with this whole situation. First it started with no TWC representatives knowing they cannot schedule a tech trip to my building, and now it is this. I just want to put that black box sitting idle to use.
Not to mention tired of this terrible Scientific Atlanta box.

Moxi does have SDV support. You'll need to pick up a tuning resolver though and you'll need the to have the latest firmware installed. Yes you'll need to have a truck roll to have a cable card installed.

So how about a Solomon's decision? I can get a Moxi with a nice discount that makes it cheaper than an HD XL TiVo with Lifetime.

What would you choose at this moment? How about if you were addicted to the i.TV iPhone app, which allows you to remotely program a TiVo? Let me know what you would pick. :)

I already have too much equipment clutter, so must choose just one. :eek:

DON'T buy based on price alone! If you like a specific TiVo application, that's a powerful plus.

How do you mostly watch TV:

Timeshifted? TiVo's best.
Live? Moxi's best.
A mixture of both? Moxi's best.
Do you record programs to DVD? TiVo's a better source.

TiVo operates most reliably of any DVR product.

Although more unpredictable than TiVo, Moxi operates within the same order of magnitude as regards reliability but doesn't equal TiVo's gold standard. However Moxi is better suited for viewers who watch a significant portion of TV live.

I like both DVRs, but Moxi is more fun for me. The choice is HIGHLY subjective. I own both.

So how about a Solomon's decision? I can get a Moxi with a nice discount that makes it cheaper than an HD XL TiVo with Lifetime.

What would you choose at this moment? How about if you were addicted to the i.TV iPhone app, which allows you to remotely program a TiVo? Let me know what you would pick. :)

Personally I would go with the Moxi. And get a Moxi Mate if you have a second TV you want to stream recorded shows to. I didn't think I would use the Mate that much, but actually end up watching the majority of my recorded programs from it. I also own a Sony HD DVR and owned a TiVo but sold after my year was up. The Moxi is my favorite to use, and looks the coolest in my entertainment center. Everyone asks what the Moxi is? You probably won't know anybody else who owns one. Kind of like owning a Ferrari. You should be able to schedule your recordings from Moxi.com on your iPhone.

Moxi does have SDV support. You'll need to pick up a tuning resolver though and you'll need the to have the latest firmware installed. Yes you'll need to have a truck roll to have a cable card installed.

This I understand.
But you didn't answer any of my specific questions.
I'm looking for help with regards to confirming problems between a Moxi and TWC's Mid Ohio regional system.

I cannot believe it would work in one region but not another when they are all running the same technology.

Is this tech just misinformed, and forgot about the Tuning Adapter, of which Moxi has included support for in the summer firmware update?

This I understand.
But you didn't answer any of my specific questions.
I'm looking for help with regards to confirming problems between a Moxi and TWC's Mid Ohio regional system.

I cannot believe it would work in one region but not another when they are all running the same technology.

Is this tech just misinformed, and forgot about the Tuning Adapter, of which Moxi has included support for in the summer firmware update?

If it has a cable card but no Tuning adapter then just go to the nearest payment/box center and pick one up. They can be installed by yourself. Just plug it into the USB and coax and you should be good to go.

DON'T buy based on price alone! If you like a specific TiVo application, that's a powerful plus.

How do you mostly watch TV:

Timeshifted? TiVo's best.
Live? Moxi's best.
A mixture of both? Moxi's best.
Do you record programs to DVD? TiVo's a better source.

TiVo operates most reliably of any DVR product.

Although more unpredictable than TiVo, Moxi operates within the same order of magnitude as regards reliability but doesn't equal TiVo's gold standard. However Moxi is better suited for viewers who watch a significant portion of TV live.

I like both DVRs, but Moxi is more fun for me. The choice is HIGHLY subjective. I own both.

I guess I'll go with the Moxi. I like fun and I watch far more live TV than pre-recorded, although that could be a function of not having had a good PVR (the Comcast/Motorola 6412), so that could change.

One more question, I know the TiVo is very slow in scrolling through the grid, etc. Is the Moxi fast?

Thanks for a great response. :)

I wouldn't call TiVo's Grid Guide 'very slow', but that's subjective.

For me Moxi's EPG isn't very slow either. Too bad Moxi used such a small font for its Grid Guide though.

Enjoy, and do get the Moxi Mate if you can use it. Too bad the promo'd half-price sale on the Mate is over, but you could call Moxi and ask.

I wouldn't call TiVo's Grid Guide 'very slow', but that's subjective.

For me Moxi's EPG isn't very slow either. Too bad Moxi used such a small font for its Grid Guide though.

Enjoy, and do get the Moxi Mate if you can use it. Too bad the promo'd half-price sale on the Mate is over, but you could call Moxi and ask.I just received an e-mail from Moxi - the promo is still on. Get a Moxi and Moxi Mate for a reduced price and you can spread the payments out over time - interest free.

If it has a cable card but no Tuning adapter then just go to the nearest payment/box center and pick one up. They can be installed by yourself. Just plug it into the USB and coax and you should be good to go.

try re-reading my first post please. I really don't feel like repeating myself for an entire post.

But to try and sum it up:

I have a Moxi. No cable card yet. Trying to get Time Warner to send a card to an Ohio State IT person, they will install card for me (Time Warner cannot, OSU owned apartment/dorm). But TWC will not send a card because they said the Moxi is not compatible with their local infrastructure.

I don't believe the engineer who said that, but I have to refute it. Can anyone confirm that is ********? I can't get a card until a specific guy at TWC agrees to send a card to OSU's IT people, and so far he is saying he will not since my device is not compatible.

I think he is just misinformed, as Moxi originally did not have support for a tuning adapter. Now they do.
I'll have them send a tuning adapter at the same time if I can get them to even agree to sending a cable card to OSU.

If you do not understand that situation, let me clear that up.
TWC cannot send an installer, they are not allowed in this OSU owned building. TWC has agreed to send a card to OSU's IT department, and a technician from OSU will install the card.
That is, if I can get them to agree my device is compatible.

Email your division's president and complain like hell. Or you could call the executive customer support line at 203-328-0600 - option 2. You can also email the executive line at TWC.COTP@twcable.com. Moxi is fully compatible but you make sure you get an M-Card as it can do both tuners. The S-Cards only work with 1 tuner but M-Cards are common.

I wouldn't call TiVo's Grid Guide 'very slow', but that's subjective.

For me Moxi's EPG isn't very slow either. Too bad Moxi used such a small font for its Grid Guide though.

Enjoy, and do get the Moxi Mate if you can use it. Too bad the promo'd half-price sale on the Mate is over, but you could call Moxi and ask.
Thanks for the info, much appreciated! :cool:

Sorry to hear about Moxi. I got two Tivo HDs not because of the capability, but because Moxi had perceived risk. I just couldn't see how Moxi could get sufficient volume.

If it wasn't for the risk, I would have bought Moxi. I'd also like to see the Sony's of the world get back in the game.

I wouldn't. Sony hates its customers.

Does anybody know of a quick way to turn captions on and off? I hate going through the regular procedure.
I almost bought a 2nd Moxi from eBay. I contacted Moxi and they said both Moxi's will talk to each other and show recorded programs of both Moxi's on either TV, so you can watch any program from either Moxi.
I like my Moxi, but dislike that it frequently locks-up when watching Utube or HULU, requiring a reboot. I missed some recordings after using HULU, going back to the cable, but not checking to see if I could change channels.
Did the new owners keep all the original staff? If not, it may become like ReplayTV. I still use two of them.
PS I hate the Moxi web site. They need some pages for owners to get more detailed info, instead of fluff.

Did the new owners keep all the original staff? If not, it may become like ReplayTV. I still use two of them.

PS I hate the Moxi web site. They need some pages for owners to get more detailed info, instead of fluff.

Yes, the ownership change bothers me too. And, yes, the Moxi site is one hard-sell hustler, instead of being a service-oriented place where owners can find good stuff. :rolleyes:

Well I had my first negative experience with Moxi tech support.... I had to unplug my external drive to rearrange some cables and I couldn't get the Moxi to recognize it when I plugged it back in.

I contacted the chat support and I asked what I could do to troubleshoot the issue. He asked me what HDD I was using and that it needed to be a DVR certified external drive. I told him that mine wasn't a certified drive since it was an internal drive in an external enclosure but it had worked flawlessly for the last 3 months and it meets all of the specs.

He then tells me that he can't trouble shoot the issue because its not a certified dvr drive. I tell him that I just want to trouble shoot the issue to make sure that its the drive. I told him lets pretend that this is a verified drive what would be the steps I need to take to connect the drive (ie do I need to have the moxi powered on or off before I connect the drive). He tells me he can not do it.

I have to tell him that tomorrow I'm going out to buy a certified drive. What are the steps that I need to do to connect it before he would help me. Then he was all helpful. After he told me the steps (1. power on the moxi, 2. wait until it has completed startup (you see a television show), 3. connect the hard drive, 4. power on the hard drive) I told him that was all I needed to know and that was what I wanted to do to my current external drive. He then switches gears back to the we cant support non-certified drives......

What a moron!!!

Well I had my first negative experience with Moxi tech support.... I had to unplug my external drive to rearrange some cables and I couldn't get the Moxi to recognize it when I plugged it back in.

I contacted the chat support and I asked what I could do to troubleshoot the issue. He asked me what HDD I was using and that it needed to be a DVR certified external drive. I told him that mine wasn't a certified drive since it was an internal drive in an external enclosure but it had worked flawlessly for the last 3 months and it meets all of the specs.

He then tells me that he can't trouble shoot the issue because its not a certified dvr drive. I tell him that I just want to trouble shoot the issue to make sure that its the drive. I told him lets pretend that this is a verified drive what would be the steps I need to take to connect the drive (ie do I need to have the moxi powered on or off before I connect the drive). He tells me he can not do it.

I have to tell him that tomorrow I'm going out to buy a certified drive. What are the steps that I need to do to connect it before he would help me. Then he was all helpful. After he told me the steps (1. power on the moxi, 2. wait until it has completed startup (you see a television show), 3. connect the hard drive, 4. power on the hard drive) I told him that was all I needed to know and that was what I wanted to do to my current external drive. He then switches gears back to the we cant support non-certified drives......

What a moron!!!

Forgive my ingnorance but what difference does it make??? I understand that certified drives are meant for the constant abuse given by a dvr but overall there is no difference from tech supports POV.

Forgive my ingnorance but what difference does it make??? I understand that certified drives are meant for the constant abuse given by a dvr but overall there is no difference from tech supports POV.
It shouldn't have made any difference to him. He was just being dense and stuck on the fact that my internal hdd with an external enclosure wasn't certified and therefor was the root of all my issues, and that it couldn't possibly be anything else.

I'm guessing what it is supposed to mean that if I had a certified hard drive that the engineers can take a look at the support logs to determine if it is the moxi's fault that the drive isn't being read or if it is a faulty drive.

What he couldn't wrap his brain around is that I was faulting moxi for the drive not working, I just wanted to troubleshoot the issue completely before throwing my hdd away and purchasing a new one.

After much troubleshooting on my part I found that my hdd was indeed failing, and I put an old 320gb in its place and it is working perfectly. I just didn't want to hook it up to my computer until all other of my options we spent because I didn't want to reformat my drive for windows since moxi uses unix (or linux I can never remember) and I would lose the 50+ hours of recorded shows on the external.

a quick question...
What makes Tivo better at recording to DVD?

a quick question...
What makes Tivo better at recording to DVD?TiVo allows you to download recordings from a computer (PC or Mac) anywhere in your home. You can then burn those recordings to DVD using your computer's built-in DVD writer. Creating DVDs in this way retains the best possible picture quality; it also allows you to preserve the original Dolby Digital 5.1 soundtrack.

For standalone DVD recorders, TiVo can also output HD channels as anamorphic 16:9 SD through the s-video and composite outputs; this allows standalone players to create disks from HD recordings with maximum resolution possible. The Moxi always letterboxes (adds bars to top and bottom) HD channels with its SD output, resulting in 30+% lost resolution with standalone DVD players.

a quick question...
What makes Tivo better at recording to DVD?

I suppose the fact that TiVo lets you download (at least non-CCI 0x02 flagged) content to your computer for conversion/editing/burning, while the Moxi doesn't.

Thanks- I am kind of torn between the two. This helps. I know the Moxi uses the M-card, is that what the Tivo uses too? Or two S-cards?

Thanks- I am kind of torn between the two. This helps. I know the Moxi uses the M-card, is that what the Tivo uses too? Both support dual-tuners with a single M-CARD.

In our paper today Digeo filed for Chapter 11. I hate that as I always like competition!

What does this mean for the MOXI HD DVR? Is this the end of it or simply a Chpt 11 filing with a corporate restructuring coming?

What does this mean for the MOXI HD DVR? Is this the end of it or simply a Chpt 11 filing with a corporate restructuring coming?
Well, it definitely is not a positive long-term sign. If they were just acquired and the company that paid $20 million for their assets enters them into Chapter 11, you can bet that more bad news is certain to follow. :(

Here's the whole story. I gather that his does not affect the Arris deal, so perhaps Moxi will live:

November 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Paul Allen files for bankruptcy protection for Digeo holdings

Posted by Brier Dudley

Mercer Island billionaire Paul Allen is asking for federal bankruptcy protection as he liquidates the remains of Digeo, a Kirkland set-top box company that was mostly sold off this fall.

Allen filed for Chapter 11 protection Monday for a holding company that encompasses the remains of Digeo. It has assets of less than $50,000 and debts of $10 million to $50 million, according to the filing.

Among the nine unsecured creditors include Comcast - owed $632.42 - and Datec Inc., a Tukwila IT vendor owed $48,206.27.

A spokesman for Allen said the filing does not indicate the Microsoft co-founder is in financial straits and unable to pay the debts of his startup.

"No, not at all, it's not about Paul's personal wealth,'' said David Postman, spokesman for Allen's investment company, Vulcan.

"That is the prudent forum for winding down a remaining business," Postman said. "That's not unusual and it's the method to do that, to take the last piece of this company and liquidate."

Allen sold Digeo's key assets - including its brands and technology for its "Moxi" advanced set-top box systems - in September to Arris, a Suwanee, Ga.-based company that's a major player in the cable hardware business.

Arris paid $20 million for the assets. Allen had invested more than $110 million in Digeo since it was started in 1999.

Digeo had reorganized several times before Allen, his sister and others on the Digeo board decided last spring that it was time to sell or find a strategic partner for the company.

That was around the time Allen's biggest investment, St Louis-based cable company Charter Communications, filed for bankruptcy with $21.7 billion in debt.

Here's the whole story. I gather that his does not affect the Arris deal, so perhaps Moxi will live:

November 3, 2009 at 12:02 PM
Paul Allen files for bankruptcy protection for Digeo holdings

Posted by Brier Dudley

Mercer Island billionaire Paul Allen is asking for federal bankruptcy protection as he liquidates the remains of Digeo, a Kirkland set-top box company that was mostly sold off this fall.

Allen filed for Chapter 11 protection Monday for a holding company that encompasses the remains of Digeo. It has assets of less than $50,000 and debts of $10 million to $50 million, according to the filing.

Among the nine unsecured creditors include Comcast - owed $632.42 - and Datec Inc., a Tukwila IT vendor owed $48,206.27.

A spokesman for Allen said the filing does not indicate the Microsoft co-founder is in financial straits and unable to pay the debts of his startup.

"No, not at all, it's not about Paul's personal wealth,'' said David Postman, spokesman for Allen's investment company, Vulcan.

"That is the prudent forum for winding down a remaining business," Postman said. "That's not unusual and it's the method to do that, to take the last piece of this company and liquidate."

Allen sold Digeo's key assets - including its brands and technology for its "Moxi" advanced set-top box systems - in September to Arris, a Suwanee, Ga.-based company that's a major player in the cable hardware business.

Arris paid $20 million for the assets. Allen had invested more than $110 million in Digeo since it was started in 1999.

Digeo had reorganized several times before Allen, his sister and others on the Digeo board decided last spring that it was time to sell or find a strategic partner for the company.

That was around the time Allen's biggest investment, St Louis-based cable company Charter Communications, filed for bankruptcy with $21.7 billion in debt.

Well, that now makes my decision easy. Guess Im going with a TiVo HD XL and a TiVo HD in my house to use with FiOS.

-Evangelo2

Anyone else notice the price drop on the dual tuner Moxi. And now they have released a three-tuner Moxi. Wish I would have waited a little while longer, but I have no regrets about purchasing a Moxi. What I am most excited about is the announcement that live TV will soon be available from the Moxi Mate. Now with a $499 Moxi, Tivo is going to have to up the ante.

http://moxi.com/us/home.html

The Moxi seems like a much better value at $499. The triple-tuner version for $799 with an extender seems reasonable, too.

Arris Cuts Moxi Pricing, Adds 3-Tuner HD DVR:
http://www.twice.com/article/388148-Arris_Cuts_Moxi_Pricing_Adds_3_Tuner_HD_DVR.php?nid=2402&source=link&rid=5288410

Considering Tivo Lifetime subscription is $399, buying Moxi can save you $100 although it doesn't give you direct access to OTT video services and ATSC tuners.

The Moxi seems like a much better value at $499. The triple-tuner version for $799 with an extender seems reasonable, too.
Much better now, yes! :)

I just read the Engadget article about the price decrease, which lead me to their review. Is the Moxi still stymied by all the usability negatives Engadget mentioned? Does it still take too many clicks to get things done, display shows as "A" or "B"? :rolleyes:

This is definitely making a purchase of the Moxi more likely. How will it work with the 3 tuners? Does this mean an additional card? How will the mate be able to show live tv? Why does it not do it now?

This is definitely making a purchase of the Moxi more likely. How will it work with the 3 tuners? Does this mean an additional card? How will the mate be able to show live tv? Why does it not do it now?

All three tuners can use one M-card. I just use my Moxi with clear-QAM, so I don't have a cablecard. The Mate currently only allows you to watch recorded shows or recordings currently in progress on the main unit. With the new update you will be able to use one of the Moxi's tuners to watch live TV and schedule/edit recordings on the Mate.

I just read the Engadget article about the price decrease, which lead me to their review. Is the Moxi still stymied by all the usability negatives Engadget mentioned? Does it still take too many clicks to get things done, display shows as "A" or "B"? :rolleyes:

Moxi has addressed some of the negatives such as adding a grid guide, although I like the vertical guide better. My wife prefers the grid. I have found the Moxi just takes a different approach on the interface and takes some time to get used to. Once you get used to the remote functions and shortcuts, it is easy to navigate.

How responsive and quick is the guide? Is it faster than Directv's unit? Does anyone know how it compares to Verizion Fios' HD DVR box?

There is a note on Moxi's page that states:

Some cable companies use a technology called Switched Digital Video to transmit TV stations. If your cable provider uses Switched Digital Video, you will need to use an SDV adapter. Some cable providers only support two tuners with their SDV adapters. Please contact your cable provider to find out if you live in an SDV area and how many tuners their adapter supports.

Curious if Cox Phoenix supports more than 2. Of course I called them and they say the adapter just supports one tuner.... did I really expect them to know.

There is a note on Moxi's page that states:

Some cable companies use a technology called Switched Digital Video to transmit TV stations. If your cable provider uses Switched Digital Video, you will need to use an SDV adapter. Some cable providers only support two tuners with their SDV adapters. Please contact your cable provider to find out if you live in an SDV area and how many tuners their adapter supports.

Curious if Cox Phoenix supports more than 2. Of course I called them and they say the adapter just supports one tuner.... did I really expect them to know.

The three tuner option has me seriously considering a Moxi now to replace the continuously poor Navigator IPG, and then I saw that same note.

I don't have the energy to go through clueless TWC service to find out if the adapter supports triple-tuners this week but I'll probably make the effort next week.

How responsive and quick is the guide? Is it faster than Directv's unit? Does anyone know how it compares to Verizion Fios' HD DVR box?Just about everything is more responsive than DirecTV's HR2x DVRs, Moxi and TiVo included.

Curious if Cox Phoenix supports more than 2. Of course I called them and they say the adapter just supports one tuner.... did I really expect them to know.Does your provider use Motorola or Cisco / SA equipment?

At this time, only Motorola SDV adapters support more than two tuners. Each Cisco SDV adapter supports a maximum of two tuners.

Note this limitation is specific to the Cisco SDV adapter, and would also affect every other OCUR/MOCUR product. That includes Ceton's upcoming 4-tuner CableCard PC tuner, as well as any future, non-tru2way TiVo with 3+ tuners. The only way to get around the limitation is tru2way (which can support SDV without an adapter), and the Moxi doesn't have the hardware or software to support that.

Most likely a simple Q for those of you that have been following...

I have Comcast and Requite the use of a Set Top box...

If I choose the three tuner version of the Moxi unit will that mean that I need to have three set top boxes?

Most likely a simple Q for those of you that have been following...

I have Comcast and Requite the use of a Set Top box...

If I choose the three tuner version of the Moxi unit will that mean that I need to have three set top boxes?No. The Moxi and TiVo both replace the cable company box. They don't record from the cable box, nor do they interact with the cable box in any way.

You don't need a cable company box unless you want to have a separate box for VOD. No third-party box supports VOD from Comcast.

So the moxi box decodes teh comcast signal?

No. The Moxi and TiVo both replace the cable company box. They don't record from the cable box, nor do they interact with the cable box in any way.

You don't need a cable company box unless you want to have a separate box for VOD. No third-party box supports VOD from Comcast.

So the moxi box decodes teh comcast signal?Right, that's what CableCard products like the Moxi and TiVo do.

If you want cable channels like USA, TNT, and ESPN, you will need Comcast to insert one CableCard in the box. A CableCard is basically an access card that removes the the encryption on those digital channels.

Right, that's what CableCard products like the Moxi and TiVo do.

If you want cable channels like USA, TNT, and ESPN, you will need Comcast to insert one CableCard in the box. A CableCard is basically an access card that removes the the encryption on those digital channels.

Got it...So the card will remove the encryption and allow all three tuners to get info from comcast without the box.

So the moxi box decodes teh comcast signal?

The CableCARD which your cable operator will (should) provide does the decryption of the signal from your cable provider.

Got it...So the card will remove the encryption and allow all three tuners to get info from comcast without the box.Yes.

Yes.


Thinking about making the switch...Very difficult to give up my ReplayTVs thought...Commercial skip is a wonderful thing...So is Poopli....Even in SD.