My jaw dropped when I saw the $999 pricing model. That would give me an HD dvr in three rooms! That equates $333 with lifetime per unit.

I could sell my Tivo HD for $500
and my ReplayTV for $100

drooling at the prospects of all HD.

Wait.. no wireless for these units?! That is a deal breaker.

Wait.. no wireless for these units?! That is a deal breaker.They have a 100Mbps LAN port, which you must use in order to get guide data and support multi-room. [Guide data is downloaded each day from Moxi's Internet servers.] If you can't run a CAT5 network cable to the Moxi, then you can purchase a ethernet->wireless bridge, MoCA adapters, or Powerline AV adapters.

If you only have the Moxi, or the Moxi and one Moxi Mate extender, then you can add wireless capability with a wireless bridge like this (http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WET610N-Wireless-N-Ethernet-Dual-Band/dp/B001QVQ7JU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257890725&sr=8-1). If you plan to use a Moxi and two extenders, and can't run ethernet, then you're probably better off with a MoCA adapter (http://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Ethernet-Over-Coax-Adapter/dp/B0022NHMZY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257890781&sr=1-2) for each device (note this requires that you have a coax connection in each room), plus one for your router.

All three tuners can use one M-card. I just use my Moxi with clear-QAM, so I don't have a cablecard. The Mate currently only allows you to watch recorded shows or recordings currently in progress on the main unit. With the new update you will be able to use one of the Moxi's tuners to watch live TV and schedule/edit recordings on the Mate.

are you saying moxi can record clear qam? im just interested in recording cbs,fox,nbc,abc,etc so this would work great for me. dont feel like renting a dvr from time warner for $15 a month.

are you saying moxi can record clear qam? im just interested in recording cbs,fox,nbc,abc,etc so this would work great for me. dont feel like renting a dvr from time warner for $15 a month.Yes, it can.

Note this limitation is specific to the Cisco SDV adapter, and would also affect every other OCUR/MOCUR product. That includes Ceton's upcoming 4-tuner CableCard PC tuner, as well as any future, non-tru2way TiVo with 3+ tuners. The only way to get around the limitation is tru2way (which can support SDV without an adapter), and the Moxi doesn't have the hardware or software to support that.

Hmmmmm okay I guess Cox Phoenix does use the Cisco adapter from what I'm told so now I wonder if the Moxi would be smart enough to put the SDV recordings on the two tuners that are talking with the adapter or if it would just be a crap shoot. The other question would be can you turn one tuner off for now assuming that a multi-tuner SDV adapter would come along eventually?

Just got real interested at 500 bucks!

I wonder if they will ever have the 3 tuner model by itself for something like 600 bucks? I have zero need for the mate, but could very well use a 3 tuner DVR.

Could have sworn I read a long while ago it was <tru2way> but it seems to say no VOD (by saying it's only a one way communication device) with your MSO and as I understand it, a <tru2way> box even running a third party IPG SHOULD be capable of that???

Hmmmmm okay I guess Cox Phoenix does use the Cisco adapter from what I'm told so now I wonder if the Moxi would be smart enough to put the SDV recordings on the two tuners that are talking with the adapter or if it would just be a crap shoot. The other question would be can you turn one tuner off for now assuming that a multi-tuner SDV adapter would come along eventually?

I just sent Moxi an email asking what becomes of the third in the event you have to attach a dual-tuner adapter. It would be good if it could still tune to non-SDV content.

Would it be possible to use two Cisco SDV adapters, or is Cisco planning to market a multi-tuner adapter?

are you saying moxi can record clear qam? im just interested in recording cbs,fox,nbc,abc,etc so this would work great for me. dont feel like renting a dvr from time warner for $15 a month.

Yes, it works very well with clear-qam. You can even map the clear-qam channels to the cable assigned channel numbers in the guide. So you don't have to deal with all the decimal channel numbers.

Would it be possible to use two Cisco SDV adapters, or is Cisco planning to market a multi-tuner adapter?

I just emailed Moxi asking if 2 tuning adapters could be used with the new 3 tuner HD DVR and I will post their reply.

The new $500 price point means the Moxi is a much better deal than the Tivo now if all you need is a cablecard DVR, and you'll get over 3 times the recording cap to boot. I wonder if they're just clearancing out the old stock they got from Digeo though.

I'm still not sold on Arris or whoever else owns Moxi simply because it's a low-volume, almost unheard-of product, but you have to give them credit for trying when they're willing to release new product in this market.

Could have sworn I read a long while ago it was <tru2way> but it seems to say no VOD (by saying it's only a one way communication device) with your MSO and as I understand it, a <tru2way> box even running a third party IPG SHOULD be capable of that???
This is not a tru2way capable box (same as Tivo), so it won't do cable VOD. Internet VOD yes, but not cable.

I just emailed Moxi asking if 2 tuning adapters could be used with the new 3 tuner HD DVR and I will post their reply.

I haven't received a response yet, but I went back to their FAQ and noticed this, which I don't remember seeing before.

You should know that if you purchase a 3 tuner Moxi that some cable service providers do not support three tuners with their adapters, and you will only have access to two tuners.

http://moxi.com/us/faq.htmlMaybe I just missed it first time around.

I haven't received a response yet, but I went back to their FAQ and noticed this, which I don't remember seeing before.

Maybe I just missed it first time around.

What would have been nice is if they would have put 2 m-card slots incase they only accept 2 tuners, which would allow them to use all 3 tuners.

The new $500 price point means the Moxi is a much better deal than the Tivo now if all you need is a cablecard DVR, and you'll get over 3 times the recording cap to boot. I wonder if they're just clearancing out the old stock they got from Digeo though.

I'm still not sold on Arris or whoever else owns Moxi simply because it's a low-volume, almost unheard-of product, but you have to give them credit for trying when they're willing to release new product in this market.

FWIW, my combo modem/phone unit is an Arris... had it one year now, on 24/7, still working.

The new $500 price point means the Moxi is a much better deal than the Tivo now if all you need is a cablecard DVR, and you'll get over 3 times the recording cap to boot. I wonder if they're just clearancing out the old stock they got from Digeo though.

I'm still not sold on Arris or whoever else owns Moxi simply because it's a low-volume, almost unheard-of product, but you have to give them credit for trying when they're willing to release new product in this market.

I agree..... It appears that they are going with the idea of trying to build a customer base. Whether or not this will work is yet to be seen.

Okay. I am bit pissed. Do they have a working number I call? I can not believe they expect me to drop a grand on a item if I can not call them to ask them some questions. Do you guys know the number? I called Arris and they said use the email form.

Okay. I am bit pissed. Do they have a working number I call? I can not believe they expect me to drop a grand on a item if I can not call them to ask them some questions. Do you guys know the number? I called Arris and they said use the email form.

The easiest way for me to get ahold of them is that they have a online support if you log in to moxi and on the top they have a support tab and one of the boxes is Live Support. They do have a number that is on the bottom. They state that If this requires immediate attention please submit your request and then contact Moxi Customer Care at 1-866-969-6694.

What would have been nice is if they would have put 2 m-card slots incase they only accept 2 tuners, which would allow them to use all 3 tuners.The two-tuner limitation has nothing to do with the CableCards. It's a limitation of the Cisco SDV adapter.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

The two-tuner limitation has nothing to do with the CableCards. It's a limitation of the Cisco SDV adapter.

ahhh In the immortal words of Emily Litella played by Gilda Radner on SNL .... never mind

Has anyone tried wireless G on the Moxi Mates?

Okay. I am bit pissed. Do they have a working number I call? I can not believe they expect me to drop a grand on a item if I can not call them to ask them some questions. Do you guys know the number? I called Arris and they said use the email form.Ask your questions here? You'll probably get better answers from a CSR reading off a script.

Has anyone tried wireless G on the Moxi Mates?Moxi recommends against Wireless G, as it won't always provide sufficient bandwidth to reliably stream high-bitrate HD. High-definition streams consume up to 19.4Mbps and network throughput of 25+Mbps is recommended for streaming. With 802.11g, you often max out at 17-19Mbps usable.

If you want wireless, go 802.11n. My favorite 802.11 router is the Netgear WNDR3700 (http://www.amazon.com/Netgear-Rangemax-WNDR3700-Wireless-N-Gigabit/dp/B002HWRJY4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1258048417&sr=8-1) (review (http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wireless/wireless-reviews/30925-start-your-buying-netgear-wndr3700-reviewed)), although there are probably cheaper routers that would get the job done just as well. At each Moxi Mate, you'd add a 802.111 wireless bridge Linksys WET610N (http://www.amazon.com/Linksys-WET610N-Wireless-N-Ethernet-Dual-Band/dp/B001QVQ7JU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257890725&sr=8-1).

If you want two Moxi Mates and have coax available at every TV outlet, MoCA (networking over coax) is still the best networking solution outside of a CAT5 run. For MoCA, you'd need one adapter for each device not directly connected to your router, plus one for your router; here's a pack of two (http://www.amazon.com/Actiontec-Ethernet-Over-Coax-Adapter/dp/B0022NHMZY/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1257890781&sr=1-2).

Does Moxi auto record shows it thinks you like?

Does Moxi auto record shows it thinks you like?No.

For a feature comparison, refer to this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17063966#post17063966).

Is it possible to turn Closed Captioning On/Off on Moxi with a single button press (not counting remote macros that flash menus)?

Is it possible to turn Closed Captioning On/Off on Moxi with a single button press (not counting remote macros that flash menus)?No. CC enable/disable is done through the Moxi settings menu.

No. CC enable/disable is done through the Moxi settings menu.

Is there a workaround for that? On my cable DVR, I can set CC to "On with Mute", then Mute button does it. When the audio output ius set to Fixed, Mute does not affect the sound (it is completely controlled by the receiver), so in effect this makes Mute a CC on/off button. Can you do this with Moxi?

Is there a workaround for that? On my cable DVR, I can set CC to "On with Mute", then Mute button does it. When the audio output ius set to Fixed, Mute does not affect the sound (it is completely controlled by the receiver), so in effect this makes Mute a CC on/off button. Can you do this with Moxi?No. There is no mute function on Moxi.

No. There is no mute function on Moxi.

Thanks

No. There is no mute function on Moxi.

There is a mute button on the Moxi remote which will control the mute function of your TV.

There is a mute button on the Moxi remote which will control the mute function of your TV.There is a mute button on virtually every remote for every STB or DVR. But he's asking about a STB (non-TV and non-AVR) mute function, which Moxi doesn't offer. More specifically, he wants a mute function on the Moxi that enables CC.

No.

For a feature comparison, refer to this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17063966#post17063966).

Ah, excellent job! Was looking for something like this...

There is a mute button on virtually every remote for every STB or DVR. But he's asking about a STB (non-TV and non-AVR) mute function, which Moxi doesn't offer. More specifically, he wants a mute function on the Moxi that enables CC.

Yes, what I am asking about is "On with Mute" option for CC; then I can teach my universal remote whatever Mute command that triggers CC (and, optionally, prevent that command from actually muting my receiver). If CC has only On and Off options, there is no way to do this.

I just got a Moxi (fortunately I procrastinated long enough to get it at the new lower price). I was reading here that maybe the EPG may quit in the near future. If that happens, will it make the Moxies unusable? Is there a way to manually set program events like non-HD DVRs and VCRs?

I just got a Moxi (fortunately I procrastinated long enough to get it at the new lower price). I was reading here that maybe the EPG may quit in the near future.Moxi could cease service at some point, but I wouldn't expect it to happen in the near future.

If/when they stop selling the Moxi, then there's no incentive for them to continue guide service. Tribune's guide data costs between $1.00 and $2.00/mo per customer to license and deliver, and Moxi receives no money from the customer after the initial sale.

If that happens, will it make the Moxies unusable? Is there a way to manually set program events like non-HD DVRs and VCRs?

Moxi does not currently allow one to manually set events, but I expect them to add that feature long before they halt guide service.

One of my questions was about <tru2way>. My recollection was they were that way, but it seems now more clear they are not.

As I understand it, IF a box has that, one MAY have the option to switch to the cable companies IPG. Does someone know for sure this is NOT the case?

That being said, this issue very much is a significant one when comparing it to TiVo. The original company has been sold to Arris, so there is a new owner. I did a real quick look-see and it SEEMED Arris might be actually branching into something new for them... from an engineering/design company to one that has actual products to sell. I have no information that Moxi was designed/engineered by Arris FOR Diego, or Diego did that themselves.

One of my questions was about <tru2way>. My recollection was they were that way, but it seems now more clear they are not.

As I understand it, IF a box has that, one MAY have the option to switch to the cable companies IPG. Does someone know for sure this is NOT the case?

That being said, this issue very much is a significant one when comparing it to TiVo. The original company has been sold to Arris, so there is a new owner. I did a real quick look-see and it SEEMED Arris might be actually branching into something new for them... from an engineering/design company to one that has actual products to sell. I have no information that Moxi was designed/engineered by Arris FOR Diego, or Diego did that themselves.
Riverside Guy

Before laying down the moola I had several helpful, informative phone conversations with the folks at Moxi (pre asset sale). While not currently Tru2way capable they assured me that there plans were to introduce that capability via firmware upgrade. This was the same response regarding enhancing the Moxi Mate's capability to receive live TV signal from its parent box. Their web site now indicates the this feature for the Mate is coming shortly. I can only hope that the Tru2way will likewise be added.

That said, getting TWC to offer Tru2way is another story. I went through a whole rigamarole with them just to have a tech install the M card. Tru2way is handled by their reps in the Midwest, if I recall correctly. In fact, the local TWC supervisor paid me a special visit to see my Moxi as he heard from the tech that I had a "unusual" box.

All in all I am very happy with the unit. Recorded PQ is way better than the TWC's Altanta DVR box it replaced along with saving the money TWC charges for box rental and lest I forget, remote rental. They have bollocks charging for the remote. IMHO

Like you -- Time Warner NYC (Man North Head End

Cheers,
J

Riverside Guy

Before laying down the moola I had several helpful, informative phone conversations with the folks at Moxi (pre asset sale). While not currently Tru2way capable they assured me that there plans were to introduce that capability via firmware upgrade. This was the same response regarding enhancing the Moxi Mate's capability to receive live TV signal from its parent box. Their web site now indicates the this feature for the Mate is coming shortly. I can only hope that the Tru2way will likewise be added.
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AFAIK, tru2way requires hardware capable of communicating back over coaxial (otherwise no cable company VOD at all, and no built-in SDV - that's why tuning adapter is needed). I'd be quite surprised if Moxi has that hardware in the units curently selling.

AFAIK, tru2way requires hardware capable of communicating back over coaxial (otherwise no cable company VOD at all, and no built-in SDV - that's why tuning adapter is needed). I'd be quite surprised if Moxi has that hardware in the units curently selling.Like TiVo, the Moxi is a unidirectional CableCard (UDCP) device. CableLabs' specifically forbids the inclusion of functional two-way hardware in UDCP products.

Even if a future Moxi were to ship with tru2way, that wouldn't help with the guide data. true2way does not provide guide data in a format that third-party software can use; guide data is only available with tru2way in products that use the cable company's software and interface. Note SDV mapping does not exhibit this limitation, as that capability is provided by separate helper application that can work with a third-party EPG (in theory, at least).

OI did a real quick look-see and it SEEMED Arris might be actually branching into something new for them... from an engineering/design company to one that has actual products to sell. I have no information that Moxi was designed/engineered by Arris FOR Diego, or Diego did that themselves.

Well it seems Arris made a good start by lowering the price. I just placed an order and the Moxi + Mate is on back order so they are selling well for them.

AFAIK, tru2way requires hardware capable of communicating back over coaxial (otherwise no cable company VOD at all, and no built-in SDV - that's why tuning adapter is needed). I'd be quite surprised if Moxi has that hardware in the units curently selling.
PedjaR,

Yup. Exactly. That's what I thought though I'm willing to have been misinformed. How long has Tru2way been in the market Place? Say, ~ 2 years? Moxi strikes me as a forward thinking company which is why I believed them. Or, as I said, perhaps I was misinformed. Considering they're brand new to the marketplace, generally the Moxi is a really good product. IMHO. Not perfect, mind you but pretty damned good for the first crack at the ball in the hurly-burly of consumer electronics. That said, their new owners might not buy into their seemingly innovative philosophy which probably will spell the death knell for them. In which case I made a poor decision and I will have an expensive piece of electronica cum paperweight. The three tuner model is a great coup, however.

J

Does the 3-tuner option work with Verizon FIOS?

Is anyone using an external hard drive larger than 2 TB with the Moxi. Do larger drives than that run very hot or generate a lot of noise?

Does the 3-tuner option work with Verizon FIOS?Yes.

Is anyone using an external hard drive larger than 2 TB with the Moxi. Do larger drives than that run very hot or generate a lot of noise?There are no drives larger than 2TB. To get more than 2TB with eSATA, you have to use a RAID array with multiple drives. Multiple drives generate more noise than a single drive.

What external hard drives does Moxi consider to be DVR-certified drives?

Yup. Exactly. That's what I thought though I'm willing to have been misinformed. How long has Tru2way been in the market Place? Say, ~ 2 years?

Well, it's been in the works for at least that long. The problem is, Digeo didn't have a say in the matter - the license terms under which CableCARD host devices are produced, CHILA (CableCARD Host Interface License Agreement) prohibits upstream communication hardware in non-tru2way licensed and certified equipment. So they can't just put it in there - there's no way they'd have passed licensing.

Moxi strikes me as a forward thinking company which is why I believed them.

Well, they can only be so forward-thinking. The CableCARD Moxi box wouldn't exist if they hadn't agreed to the terms CableLabs puts forth.

What external hard drives does Moxi consider to be DVR-certified drives?

Look for the Hard drive to say that it is a dvr extender, such as http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136259&cm_re=my_dvr_expander-_-22-136-259-_-Product

In all actuallity you can use any external drive that has an eSata connection, although if it has a powersaving/stand by mode you may run into trouble.

What I do is that I have an internal eSata HDD and an external case. I had my HDD fail a month back and the cust service guy was a pain since it wasn't a DVR-certified drive, and said they couldn't support it. I finally got him to let me know the procedure of connecting the HDD (I wanted to find out if it was a dead hdd or if it was something else)

So if you are ok with not having the customer service people give you support for not having a recognized drive I would probably go with that route.

The plus side to having an internal hdd and an external enclosure instead of an external hdd is that you don't have to worry about sleep / stand by mode.

I know I probably just missed this in the thread but I have a question. When you add an external drive do you lose the internal drive like the HR20's or does this add to the total capacity?

true2way does not provide guide data in a format that third-party software can use; guide data is only available with tru2way in products that use the cable company's software and interface. Note SDV mapping does not exhibit this limitation, as that capability is provided by separate helper application that can work with a third-party EPG (in theory, at least).

That confirms what I thought... the issue being the third party, be it Moxi or TiVo "could" cease supplying IPG data BUT the box remains viable, even though it will look like the rented box from the cable co. Kind of like a fail-safe... just in case variety!

So it seems both TiVo & Moxi need new hardware to be <tru2way>. Not to mention any issues with the way the cable co. implements it on their end.

Bottom line is it most likely be a long wait for <tru2way> to be an actual factor, unfortunately.

Sure sounds like the whole cable card thing... customers wanted them, wanted them to fulfill their promise. Cable cos. did NOT want them to really happen, so the TV guys started dropped their end of the deal 2 years ago. Then irony of irony, the cable cos. started being required to use them in their STBs... BUT other than that, nothing else supported the cards!

Makes it a possibility much the same MAY happen with <tru2way>.

Too bad...

I know I probably just missed this in the thread but I have a question. When you add an external drive do you lose the internal drive like the HR20's or does this add to the total capacity?

No it combines the space from your external and internal. So if your internal drive has a 500Gb capacity and your external is 1Tb, your total space is 1.5 Tb.

No it combines the space from your external and internal. So if your internal drive has a 500Gb capacity and your external is 1Tb, your total space is 1.5 Tb.

Thanks, that is what I thought. I am really thinking about pulling the trigger on ordering a Moxi with a Mate.

I am with Charter Communications in Pasadena, CA. Recently upgraded to a Moxi, but no clue which model. It must have a small HD because it only retains about 8 hrs. HD.

So, I got this 2T from Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002BH4OY8/ref=ox_ya_os_product

and set it up an hour ago.

The moxie software detected the new device, gave option (with warning) to format, which I did. It took only a few min.

Now when I check the space usage, my it shows only 2% used. Epic!

So far so good. I am not hacker-savvy, so I hope my next question has not already been asked and answered a million times. I tried to find it before posting.


How do I "get at" the content?

Am I going to be able to detach the 2T, connect to a PC and see the files? Edit the files?

I am after two things, neither of which I believe to be criminal.
1) I want to take snippets from this, parts of this, delete unwanted parts of that, and come up with the content segments I want for my own personal use.

2) backup. I definitely find things on cable I want to keep. If my content just hangs out on this external, I am going to load it up with enormous amounts of valued footage. Even if I can't "get at" the content, how can I at least back up this 2T with another one?

This is a 'library' situation.

Any direction, links or advice would be welcome

Thank you.

How do I "get at" the content?

Am I going to be able to detach the 2T, connect to a PC and see the files? Edit the files?You can't. It's encrypted.

The TivoHD is still the only cable DVR that allows you to copy / download recorded files to a computer.

2) backup. I definitely find things on cable I want to keep. If my content just hangs out on this external, I am going to load it up with enormous amounts of valued footage. Even if I can't "get at" the content, how can I at least back up this 2T with another one?You can record the program again and save it to a different external drive. I'm not sure if it's possible to duplicate a drive; I do know that the recordings on each drive are encrypted and tied to a specific Moxi; they won't work with another Moxi.

8 hours sounds odd... that would imply an under 80G drive. Thought all Moxi's had 500G drives?

"Save to a different external drive" can be done on a Moxi?? That would imply an ability to have multiple volumes, something I really doubt, at least with SATA where one needs a separate controller for each volume. Or do you mean one can "fill up" one external, get another one, then when you want to see something on that first drive, hook it back and it's directory gets re-loaded? IF that is the case, that sure wold be a major feature to run in their marketing.

Doles anyone know about swapping out the internal drive for something larger?

8 hours sounds odd... that would imply an under 80G drive. Thought all Moxi's had 500G drives?

"Save to a different external drive" can be done on a Moxi?? That would imply an ability to have multiple volumes, something I really doubt, at least with SATA where one needs a separate controller for each volume. Or do you mean one can "fill up" one external, get another one, then when you want to see something on that first drive, hook it back and it's directory gets re-loaded? IF that is the case, that sure wold be a major feature to run in their marketing.

Doles anyone know about swapping out the internal drive for something larger?

You are right, it should be closer to 80 hours than 8.

If I understand correctly, on Moxi you can go back and forth between different external drives, while retaining recordings (basically, the "divorce" procedure does not lose any recordings, and "re-mary" procedure recognizes existing recordings). That is definitely nice, so you can archive some classics to keep permanently on one external drive and start using another as the first one fills up.
However, there is no way (AFAIK) to tell the DVR whether to record a specific show to an internal or external drive, short of keeping the internal drive full at all times so that everything is forced to go to the external drive. This is very clunky, but if you are using 2GB external drives, it may not be completely ridiculous.
While this is not as convenient as Tivo's copying to the computer, if you are not allowed to copy to the computer due to copyright issues, it sounds pretty good.

8 hours sounds odd... that would imply an under 80G drive. Thought all Moxi's had 500G drives?The Moxi available for purchase has a 500GB drive. The Moxis sold to cable companies have smaller drives; the original high-definition Moxi for cable providers had a 80GB drive.

"Save to a different external drive" can be done on a Moxi?? That would imply an ability to have multiple volumes, something I really doubt, at least with SATA where one needs a separate controller for each volume. Or do you mean one can "fill up" one external, get another one, then when you want to see something on that first drive, hook it back and it's directory gets re-loaded?It's the latter.

Moxi doesn't allow you to selectively move recordings to external drives like the Dish ViP722, so you can't use a specific drive for specific programs. But Moxi does allow you to fill up multiple drives, and you can connect/reconnect different drives to access those recordings. It's not like TiVo where the recordings are split between the internal and external, effectively limiting you to a single drive.

All recording are on the external drive are encrypted and tied to a ROM chip on the Moxi DVR, so they can't be used with a different Moxi.

Edit: PedjaR has it right.

Ah, score one for Moxi on that. Not to mention it seems one CAN hook arrays up... there are 6T arrays in SATA RAID 5's out there; they COULD be compatible, so need for multiple drives is reduced.

Clearly Moxi has TiVo beat on storage.

TiVo isn't laying down either... their $650 1T XL just became a $500 1T XL, 420 at amazon. Tis COULD be a simple reaction to Moxi's move, or it cxould also mean a new box next year.

VERY interesting DVR times, don't ya think??

I am not sure if Tivo is really putting up too much of a fight here.
$500 for the Tivo XL but you need to add subscription.
$500 for the Moxi HD. <---- total cost.

TiVo isn't laying down either... their $650 1T XL just became a $500 1T XL, 420 at amazon. Tis COULD be a simple reaction to Moxi's move, or it could also mean a new box next year.
It's both! ;)

I am not sure if Tivo is really putting up too much of a fight here.
$500 for the Tivo XL but you need to add subscription.
$500 for the Moxi HD. <---- total cost.
Amazon.com is asking $499 for the Moxi and $428 for the TivoHD XL.

That's not an apples-to-apples hardware comparison, because the TivoHD XL has twice the capacity (1TB vs 500GB), plus built-in OTA and analog tuners. You can add external storage to either DVR, but you could also upgrade the standard TivoHD ($220 @ Amazon). That said, I agree that Moxi is the most cost-effective solution for digital cable, thanks to a lifetime subscription that is effectively half the cost of TiVo's.

TiVo and Moxi are different products and each has advantages over the other (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17063966#post17063966). TiVo's software is generally best for those that record/timeshift the vast majority of what they watch on a single TV, whereas Moxi's software is best for those that watch more liveTV and/or want to view their recordings on more than one TV. That's not to say Moxi isn't good for recording and timeshifting -- it is; TiVo just provides some record functionality not available on Moxi.

Well I just placed an order for a Moxi 3 tuner with the Mate. Hopefully it is worth the money. The unit seems pretty sweet. Hopefully it will arrive pretty quickly. I will have to call Verizon to find out about getting a Cable Card and how long that will take. I let you know how everything goes. Now to also figure out how big of an external drive to get to mate up with my Moxi.

Well I just placed an order for a Moxi 3 tuner with the Mate. Hopefully it is worth the money. The unit seems pretty sweet. Hopefully it will arrive pretty quickly. I will have to call Verizon to find out about getting a Cable Card and how long that will take. I let you know how everything goes. Now to also figure out how big of an external drive to get to mate up with my Moxi.

I ended up going with an internal Hard Drive with an external case. It ended up costing me $160 for both ($120 for the 1.5 TB Hard drive and $40 for the case)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817173042
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148337

If you end up getting a external drive make sure it is an eSATA drive that runs at 7200RPM and which doesn't have a power save mode

The power save mode is always the toughest to figure out, which is why I bought an internal HDD and an external enclosure. Internal HDD don't have a sleep mode.

I also just pulled the trigger on a 3-tuner with a mate. I just hope the process of getting it to work with Comcast isn't too troublesome (but I guess I should wait until my box actually ships before requesting an appointment for a CableCard.) Now this weekend will be spent fishing Cat5e cable to the spots where this box now requires it.

I also just pulled the trigger on a 3-tuner with a mate. I just hope the process of getting it to work with Comcast isn't too troublesome (but I guess I should wait until my box actually ships before requesting an appointment for a CableCard.) Now this weekend will be spent fishing Cat5e cable to the spots where this box now requires it.

I did the same thing this week. You can access clear QAM channels without the need for a CC so you can still use the box if you want it all set up before you have a card installed. I won't be requesting an install for a week or two yet.

Moxi installation takes a long time. I think in total it took about 45 minutes to download software updates to both boxes and run a scan. For some reason the Mate doesn't acknowledge it's on my network even though it connects to the main box and the internet fine.

Hmmm, that MAY imply that they ARE set up to d/l all of their software... so just MAYBE one can upgrade the internal drive?

Right now, it seems 1.5T drives have good price/gig... so best value. My inclination WOULD be to do that as opposed to an external drive (which would cost more).

For the moment I'm content with the 500GB capacity over the 160 of the TWC 8300. In a year when the warranty has expired or a new and better box is released I might take a chance on replacing the drive.

It could be that the drive is locked to the Moxi in the same way that Microsoft lock their drives to the 360 or the software is stored partially or completely on the drive and the updates just override existing components.

Anyone have clarification on that?

Reminds me... did you find out anything about what happens after the first year if something goes wrong?

The stuff TiVo does that I read here sounds great, but for some reason I can't find ANY of it ever stated in any way BY TiVo. Would hope Moxi would actually spell out their policy... post warranty.

For anyone interested in Arris, this gives some infomation on plans.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjQ0OTUyN3xDaGlsZElEPTM1MjM3O XxUeXBlPTI=&t=1

Does anyone have any experience with media streaming using something other than PlayOn? Ive found the media streaming to be REALLY slow on the Moxi and Im wondering if its Moxi's implementation or PlayOn. PlayOn's media streaming is in beta and even they admit it doesnt work all that great. Ive tried Orb and WMP and cant get any of my video files to show up. I wanted to see if anyone had any other suggestions.

Does anyone have any experience with media streaming using something other than PlayOn? Ive found the media streaming to be REALLY slow on the Moxi and Im wondering if its Moxi's implementation or PlayOn. PlayOn's media streaming is in beta and even they admit it doesnt work all that great. Ive tried Orb and WMP and cant get any of my video files to show up. I wanted to see if anyone had any other suggestions.

I've only used it with Hulu so far but it played fine for me. Navigating the Moxi menus was slightly slow but playback was unaffected.

Im referring to streaming media from your PC, mainly Xvid files.

Im referring to streaming media from your PC, mainly Xvid files.The Moxi's DVR CPU does not natively support Xvid files, so those must be re-encoded into MPEG-2 on the fly by your PC CPU. If you've got an older computer, the streaming experience with those files may not be particularly good.

The Moxi's DVR CPU does not natively support Xvid files, so those must be re-encoded into MPEG-2 on the fly by your PC CPU. If you've got an older computer, the streaming experience with those files may not be particularly good.

Yea.. I understand that. Tivo works the same way.

Tivo has PyTivo and Tivo Desktop. PyTivo performs better than TD, at least up until TD's last release.

What Im asking is if Moxi's support of streaming media is what causes the transfers to be so slow or if it's PlayOn thats slowing things down.

I had my Tivo set up to stream and one piece of software was significantly faster than others which leads me back to my original question. Does anyone have any experience with any other DLNA streaming software other than PlayOn and if so, does it stream to the Moxi any quicker than PlayOn? PlayOn almost seems to stream in real time and for most stuff, thats fine but for sporting events or things where you want to skip through parts, it would be nice if the recording would transfer a little faster.

Have you tried TVersity? It's been a while since I last used it but it worked fine for me in the past. It's free so you have nothing to lose by installing it.

Arris makes my combo IP & Phone "modem." One interesting thing... a DOCSIS 3.0 "modem" built into the DVR... which COULD mean if the "normal" one is located far away in the computer room, one may NOT need to run Ethernet to the TV.

For anyone interested in Arris, this gives some infomation on plans.

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/External.File?item=UGFyZW50SUQ9MjQ0OTUyN3xDaGlsZElEPTM1MjM3O XxUeXBlPTI=&t=1
Looking at this, I wonder if the 'Moxi Home Gateway' is intended for sale to cableCos and not the general public. Plus there's the whole tru2way question. If they can roll this out for sale to anyone and make it a tru2way box, it could be a very compelling solution with the extenders that they have.

Arris makes my combo IP & Phone "modem." One interesting thing... a DOCSIS 3.0 "modem" built into the DVR... which COULD mean if the "normal" one is located far away in the computer room, one may NOT need to run Ethernet to the TV.

...except you still would, in order to get Ethernet from that box to your PC (assuming you want the reliability of a hard-wired connection there.) And when you're at the PC and your network connection hiccups, you can't power-cycle the cable modem without also interrupting recordings in progress.

A better first step would be MoCA support (either built-in or as a reasonably priced add-on) but that's probably a ways off. Mind you, in theory a Moxi box that also was a DOCSIS cable modem (and probably a WiFi router as well) would be appealing as an overall hub could put a lot of functionality into one box, but I'm not sure how many people really want to put that many eggs into one basket (and nobody would want to pay for major functionality that they're not using.)

ObImpatience: Moxi order still showing as "open." Ship already!

Note this limitation is specific to the Cisco SDV adapter, and would also affect every other OCUR/MOCUR product. That includes Ceton's upcoming 4-tuner CableCard PC tuner, as well as any future, non-tru2way TiVo with 3+ tuners. The only way to get around the limitation is tru2way (which can support SDV without an adapter), and the Moxi doesn't have the hardware or software to support that.

That is partially incorrect. In the case of the Ceton card, multiple 2-tuner Cisco TA's can be used so that all of the tuners are utilized (one of the beta testers has a Ceton 6-tuner pre-prod model and 3 Cisco TA's on TheGreenButton).

This, of course, doesn't help Moxi until they also add code to support multiple tuning adapters.

Hmm.. then the 3 tuner Moxi HD won't work with the 2 tuner Cisco TA.

As of right now I do not think my area (Chicago Suburbs) has SDV.. Does anyone know the planned rollout of SDV for Chicago?

That is partially incorrect. In the case of the Ceton card, multiple 2-tuner Cisco TA's can be used so that all of the tuners are utilized (one of the beta testers has a Ceton 6-tuner pre-prod model and 3 Cisco TA's on TheGreenButton).Right, the Ceton tuners do support multiple TAs, provided you can get them from your cable company.

In many markets, TAs are in limited supply and TiVo/Moxi users have a hard enough time obtaining one. Obtaining multiple TAs may not always be feasible, which is an advantage of Moxi's multi-room implementation (once it supports liveTV via extenders) over TiVo's.

Hmm.. then the 3 tuner Moxi HD won't work with the 2 tuner Cisco TA. It does work with the Cisco TA. You're just limited to two tuners when it's connected.

Comcast and FiOS aren't deploying SDV to new markets, so you need only be worried about this limitation if you have a Brighthouse, Cablevision, Charter, Cox, or Time Warner system with dozens of analog channels.

Comcast and FiOS aren't deploying SDV to new markets, so you need only be worried about this limitation if you have Brighthouse, Cablevision, Charter, Cox, or Time Warner system with dozens of analog channels.

Thats great news! I have Comcast in Chicago area that currently does not have SDV. I am thrilled that they have no plans for SDV in my area. I guess losing analogs does have its benefits of no need for SDV

If the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR requires a tuning adapter to view SDV channels, and the current tuning adapter only supports 2 tuners, does this mean I can't use all three tuners in the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR. I realize I can't use all three tuners to view three simulataneous SDV channels, but can two of the tuners be using the tuning adapter to view SDV channels while the third tuner is tuned to a non-SDV channel. Since the majority of channels are still not sent via SDV, I am hoping this is possible.

The other possibility is hooking two tuning adapters to the Moxi. Does anyone know if this is possible?

If the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR requires a tuning adapter to view SDV channels, and the current tuning adapter only supports 2 tuners, does this mean I can't use all three tuners in the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR. I realize I can't use all three tuners to view three simulataneous SDV channels, but can two of the tuners be using the tuning adapter to view SDV channels while the third tuner is tuned to a non-SDV channel. Since the majority of channels are still not sent via SDV, I am hoping this is possible.

That's a question waiting to be answered. I won't know until I have my CC and adapter fitted next week.

If the tuning adapter lets through clear QAM then the third tuner will theoretically record non-sdv content and that would be good enough for me.

If it doesn't I might try splitting the signal and using a combiner at the Moxi to have one coax bypass the adapter.

My Moxi is scheduled for delivery tomorrow! I hope I don't miss the UPS man, of course I have errands to run.

Weird... mine is out for delivery today

It says it is in NC but I am IL. I am not sure how they (UPS) can deliver today.

HOPEMILLS, NC, US 11/25/2009 8:53 A.M. OUT FOR DELIVERY
11/25/2009 12:40 A.M. ARRIVAL SCAN
RALEIGH, NC, US 11/24/2009 11:20 P.M. DEPARTURE SCAN
11/24/2009 8:12 P.M. ORIGIN SCAN
11/24/2009 6:25 P.M. BILLING INFORMATION RECEIVED

I think is time to get a dedicated MOXI HD DVR forum. Does anyone want to start it up?

If the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR requires a tuning adapter to view SDV channels, and the current tuning adapter only supports 2 tuners, does this mean I can't use all three tuners in the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR. I realize I can't use all three tuners to view three simulataneous SDV channels, but can two of the tuners be using the tuning adapter to view SDV channels while the third tuner is tuned to a non-SDV channel.When the Cisco SDV tuning adapter is connected, the Moxi uses the channel map provided by the adapter rather than the channel map provided by the CableCard. That may limit functionality to two tuners. If so, splitting and combining would make no difference, because that has nothing to do with the issue.

Please report back once your tuning adapter is installed.

The other possibility is hooking two tuning adapters to the Moxi. Does anyone know if this is possible?It is not.

My Moxi is scheduled for delivery tomorrow!



Kind of a side not, but I was really impressed with the packaging of the Moxi and Moxi Mate. The items are well protected and encased with soft foam. It was a much different unboxing experience than my Xbox that had beat up its own box from the inside out due to bouncing around during shipment.

If the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR requires a tuning adapter to view SDV channels, and the current tuning adapter only supports 2 tuners, does this mean I can't use all three tuners in the Moxi 3 Tuner HD DVR. I realize I can't use all three tuners to view three simulataneous SDV channels, but can two of the tuners be using the tuning adapter to view SDV channels while the third tuner is tuned to a non-SDV channel. Since the majority of channels are still not sent via SDV, I am hoping this is possible.


When the Cisco SDV tuning adapter is connected, the Moxi uses the channel map provided by the adapter rather than the channel map provided by the CableCard. That may limit functionality to two tuners. If so, splitting and combining would make no difference, because that has nothing to do with the issue.

Please report back once your tuning adapter is installed.

If QAM is limited to 2 tuners because of the tuning adapter, perhaps partial 3 tuner functionality can be achieved by using the analog dongle. There's no program data when the dongle's limited channel line-up is added to Moxi's EPG so it's impossible to record manually, but any available analog channels can be watched and buffered. Not the best solution but better than nothing!

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7626932#post7626932
Now that Comcast has eliminated analog service above Ch. 28 I connected the DTA to a DVD recorder with a 6 hr. recording buffer. Because Moxi turns off its standard-def outputs when the hi-def output is selected the DTA is more useful connected directly to a standard def device. (BTW, Comcast is also retaining analog service for Chs. 75 through 99 as part of Limited Basic service, which in this location adds 2 channels; the Weather Channel and Shop NBC.)

So, Moxi's dongle now is connected directly to coax out of the wall and receives all available analog channels which get inserted into Moxi's line-up in numerical order. (I unmapped Ch.3 from VOD Ch. 1.)

Moxi's EPG displays Comcast's channel line-up for a local ZIP code and generally provides 2 listings for an OTA simulcast channel, one for standard-def, the other for hi-def. IOW, channel 4 is standard-def KOMO 4 Seattle while KOMO-DT (high-def) is Ch. 104.

There are now 2 standard-def signals for an OTA simulcast channel (one from the dongle in analog format) plus another hi-def signal. Moxi only maps channels on a 1 to 1 basis so one standard-def signal can't be mapped.

KOMO 4 on Ch. 79.3 is now mapped to analog Ch. 4 EPG info. The 'real' analog Ch. 4 remains unmapped but is adjacent in the EPG to the mapped Ch. 4. Hi-def KOMO-DT on actual Ch. 82-4 ('virtual' PSIP ch. 4.1) is mapped to ch. 104 EPG info.

So here's where it gets as interesting as it is confusing. Moxi at present doesn't offer manual recordings; recordings must be initiated from an EPG listing. But unmapped EPG entries from the dongle have no info, just (TBA) and analog channels can't be set up for recording. However two digital channels in the EPG can be recorded at the same time as an analog channel is being watched delayed from its live buffer, which can be up to 3 hours long.

Since there's no EPG time info Moxi's Progress Bar doesn't show where in the buffer a viewer is. (If an analog channel was mapped instead and the corresponding digital channel wasn't, the same limitation would apply to the unmapped digital channel.)

So Moxi is interesting! (IOW, many TiVo users probably won't like its built-in quirks. The quirks aren't glitches as they're engineered to work the way they do, but they're different from TiVo and, AFAIK, unlike any other DVR.)

Hi, I just implemented a Moxi 2-Stream HD DVR (MR-1500) with sdv tuning adapter. I tried to enable the 'channel grid' view on the Moxi but made no difference...I still see the vertical channel list view. What am I missing?

TIA,
Danno

Hi, I just implemented a Moxi 2-Stream HD DVR (MR-1500) with sdv tuning adapter. I tried to enable the 'channel grid' view on the Moxi but made no difference...I still see the vertical channel list view. What am I missing?From what I recall, there's no way to set the channel grid as the default. You have to switch to it each time. That may or may not have changed in the recent software, as I don't have a Moxi in my home.

Hi, I just implemented a Moxi 2-Stream HD DVR (MR-1500) with sdv tuning adapter. I tried to enable the 'channel grid' view on the Moxi but made no difference...I still see the vertical channel list view. What am I missing?


have you double tapped the Moxi lens button? Doing that will ensure you always go to the grid guide.

Enabling the grid just means it becomes an option in the channel list for manual switching.

Oops...I was only single-pressing the off-kilter rectangle! Double-press works. Thanks!

Anyone know what the official name for 'grid 2 press' is? I would like Logitech Harmony to add it to its remote command database.

My Harmony 1 learned the command, but I would like it too be built in to do the 2-Press...

I received my Moxi yesterday. I am setting it up right now. It is downloading the software updates right now. I am anxious to see how it performs. Yesterday I ordered the Seagate 1.5TB & an enclosure, they will be here by next Wednesday. I will try to call Verizon tomorrow to order a Cable Card, hopefully that won't take forever to get.I will keep you guys posted about my Moxi.

Anyone know what the official name for 'grid 2 press' is? I would like Logitech Harmony to add it to its remote command database.

My Harmony 1 learned the command, but I would like it too be built in to do the 2-Press...

The Harmony has a limited set of commands for the Moxi, just as the Moxi remote has a limited set of buttons.

I would make a macro for that guide press, but I don't use the Harmony any more and I can't remember if they added the macro feature. That was one of the primary reasons I stopped using it.

Does anyone know the complete list of new features provided for by the Fall Update?

Does anyone know the complete list of new features provided for by the Fall Update?

Download the full user guide. It covers everything that was introduced.

https://moxi.com/us/support/MC4R/moxi_hd_dvr_users_guide.pdf

Does anyone know the complete list of new features provided for by the Fall Update?

I don't think the fall update has been released yet. It is supposed to enable live TV from the Mate which moxi.com lists as "coming soon". I am looking forward to seeing any other updates. I would really like to see built-in Netflix.

Ok, I see a few people here I know from other threads, so I hope you'll be kind with my novice questions. Until recently, I had never heard of Moxi as a retail alternative to the SA8300HD DVR. Since I'm tired of paying Cox, I'm looking for an alternative. I was looking at Tivo HD, but the Moxi 3-tuner with 2 Mates looks like it will be a better fit for me.

Currently I have only 1 DVR in the family room and the 2 bedroom TVs get cable using built-in QAM tuners. Obviously, I'd like some multi-room capability and Moxi seems to fit the bill, especially once the "live" feature is released for the Mates.

The Moxi would be located in the family room and be wired to my Linksys router. The Mates would be located in separate bedrooms and connected to the network using Netgear MoCA adapters. I was considering Linksys Powerline adapters, but heard that MoCA is faster/more reliable and doesn't need outlets to be on the same side of the power box, just need a cable. Am I correct so far?

I'm also in the market for a Blu-Ray player and I'd like Netflix access. I have pretty much settled on the LG BD370 which would also be wired to the router in the family room. I recently learned that in order to use Netflix with the Moxi/Mates, I need PlayOn for a one-time $40 fee and I need a PC for it to run on. Since I have 3 wireless notebooks on my network, would one of them suffice? Will Netflix functionality of the Moxi/Mates be limited/impaired by the notebooks, especially the wireless part? I assume the notebook would need to be left on in order to access Netflix from the Moxi/Mates. Does the fact that I will have the LG BR370 on the network impact Netflix access, that is, negate the need for PlayOn and the PC?

I read a couple of pages in the thread and am now wondering how tru2way is going to impact things if I go ahead with buying the Moxi/Mates. I think tru2way basically allows cable software to run on compatible devices. Therefore, it should really have no impact on the Moxi/Mates, right?

One last thing is the health of Moxi in general. Before I shelll out $1,200 or so for all this, can I reasonably expect Moxi to be around for the next 5 or more years it will take to recoup the cost? I know nothing is guaranteed, but is Moxi in any financial trouble that I should be concerned about?

Thanks in advance for any comments/advice.

TWC CCard and tuning adapter got fitted today. Just to confirm, if it's a SciAtl card and it needs a Cisco adapter you will lose that third tuner. The Moxi doesn't even acknowledge it exists and the box just becomes a regular two tuner deal.

It took about 45 minutes for the install. The hardware went in fine but SDV is fraught with problems in general so just getting the adpater to send the channels through required the tech guy to call various departments for repeated authorizations.

Apart from the ugly Cisco brick ruining the sleek look of the Moxi, channels switch and perform nicely. For now. I hope they add some kind of manual logo assignment at some point. Most of the channel guide is populated correctly but there are several local HD networks that don't receive a bug. Previously I was just mapping SD channel guide info to the HD feed, but with the CC you don't have that option.

Ah well, three tuners was good while it lasted.

A few people have commented that the picture quality of the Moxi is better than the SA 8300HD. I'm very disappointed in the picture quality of my 8300HD.

What hardware in the Moxi could improve picture quality over an SA 8300HD? A better MPEG decoder? I thought I read somewhere that the 8300HD is not capable of true 1920 x 1080i, but rather something lke 1440 x 1080i. Maybe that's the reason for the Moxi's improved picture quality?

I'm also in the market for a Blu-Ray player and I'd like Netflix access. I have pretty much settled on the LG BD370 which would also be wired to the router in the family room. I recently learned that in order to use Netflix with the Moxi/Mates, I need PlayOn for a one-time $40 fee and I need a PC for it to run on.

PlayOn is free to Moxi users until the end of November under their latest promotion Dave. They'll send you a one time licence when you activate the service.

I use it for Hulu playback, I've never used it for Netflix. I would use the LG for that since it will be hardware optimized for Netflix HD and faster than the PlayOn/Moxi communication.

A few people have commented that the picture quality of the Moxi is better than the SA 8300HD. I'm very disappointed in the picture quality of my 8300HD.

I wouldn't say it's a significant jump but I do think the Moxi has a slightly sharper image. Remember the 8300 is 4 or 5 years old so the hardware and video processing is going to lag behind the Moxi.

Visually of course the GUI is light years ahead of 8300 series, but that's a hardware and software lmitation.

One last thing is the health of Moxi in general. Before I shelll out $1,200 or so for all this, can I reasonably expect Moxi to be around for the next 5 or more years it will take to recoup the cost? I know nothing is guaranteed, but is Moxi in any financial trouble that I should be concerned about?

Moxi is currently at a crossroads regarding that. Arris is not in any financial trouble but if Moxi becomes an albatross they can't get to fly there's no guarantee they will stick with it.

Arris released a road map that includes the Moxi at the center of their proposed home content integration plan which is a good sign. They also dropped the price and gained some new users which was also a good move.

Plus of course they still have some existing boxes in cableco land running Moxi guide software which they would need to support.

But it's still a gamble. If they bump up the marketing budget and start selling it as an alternative to Tivo then they could get some traction.

The Moxi would be located in the family room and be wired to my Linksys router. The Mates would be located in separate bedrooms and connected to the network using Netgear MoCA adapters. I was considering Linksys Powerline adapters, but heard that MoCA is faster/more reliable and doesn't need outlets to be on the same side of the power box, just need a cable. Am I correct so far?Yes, although you can save money on the MoCA with an Actiontec/Westell router (from ebay) and a few Actiontec MoCA adapters.

Since I have 3 wireless notebooks on my network, would one of them sufficeYes.

Does the fact that I will have the LG BR370 on the network impact Netflix access, that is, negate the need for PlayOn and the PC?Yes. The LG 370 has a superior Netflix implementation that supports HD, so you should just use that.

The LG 370 is a good Blu-ray player so long as your TV accepts 1080p24 input and you don't expect stellar DVD output quality. It's middle-of-the-pack when it comes to DVD playback.

I read a couple of pages in the thread and am now wondering how tru2way is going to impact things if I go ahead with buying the Moxi/Mates. I think tru2way basically allows cable software to run on compatible devices. Therefore, it should really have no impact on the Moxi/Mates, right?That's correct. True2way allows third-party boxes to run the cable company software. The Samsung STB/DVRs used by Brighthouse and TWC are tru2way boxes.

It is also possible for a third-party DVR to provide their own software/EPG and guide data, and run the tru2way SDV helper application in the background. This would eliminate the need for a separate SDV adapter, and avoid the two-tuner limitation of the current Cisco SDV adapter. The current Moxi and TiVo hardware aren't capable of that, but TiVo has said they are looking into that for a future box.

One last thing is the health of Moxi in general. Before I shelll out $1,200 or so for all this, can I reasonably expect Moxi to be around for the next 5 or more years it will take to recoup the cost? I know nothing is guaranteed, but is Moxi in any financial trouble that I should be concerned about?Arris (Moxi's new owner) is in good financial shape, but it does cost them around $1.50-$2.00/mo to license and deliver the guide data to every box. Moxi includes the subscription as part of the purchase price, so there's no source of revenue besides the sale of new units. If at some point they stop selling Moxi DVRs to consumers, then there may not be much incentive for them to continue paying for the guide data.

I don't think there is any risk of that happening in the next year or two, but there is some uncertainty long-term.

TWC CCard and tuning adapter got fitted today. Just to confirm, if it's a SciAtl card and it needs a Cisco adapter you will lose that third tuner. The Moxi doesn't even acknowledge it exists and the box just becomes a regular two tuner deal.That's what others were told to expect in this thread, but it's good to have confirmation.

I wouldn't blame Moxi, though. SDV adapters are designed to take over all channel mapping duties when installed, so if the Cisco TA can only map two channels at once, then Moxi (and any other DVR using the Cisco TA) is limited by that. I do agree that Moxi should better address that issue on their site; not every prospective owner follows this forum.

Cisco could offer a new adapter in the future without that limitation, but I wouldn't count on them doing it just for Moxi. If the Ceton quad-tuner CableCard tuner beats the odds and becomes popular despite its $400-$600 price, and/or TiVo releases a new >2 tuner HD DVR without tru2way support, then there could be sufficient demand to justify a new TA.

Whew! I just read through all 21 pages of this thread from when Moxi HD was originally offered for sale. Quite a bit of changes and exciting new features since it was introduced

Based on all the experts here, I purchased a $999 3 room Moxi HD setup. It will be delivered Monday. This will replace my current setup of a Tivo HD and ReplayTV 5504. My experience with DVRs included a couple of Tivo Series 1, Tivo Series 2, Tivo HD, ReplayTV and Comcast DVR. I look forward to all the new features Moxi HD will provide. I have the same feeling as when I first bought my first Tivo. Like buying the lifetime for TIVO, I had some concern about the financial viability of the MOXI HD. However, like buying the new Tivo, this is all new exciting and fun stuff.

To those who are comtemplating a MOXI HD, please read through this thread and please do read the MOXI HD user guide. It's use of cards is very different from TIVO and will require some unlearning and relearning of tricks. This is something I expect with any new type of technology. The thing that assured my regarding my purchase of MOXI HD is their excellent track record of customer service. There were plenty of examples of that highlighted here. I spoke to customer service twice and they were very knowledgeable and allay my concerns.

Thanks to all the experts on this page who took the time to answer all my and others' questions about the MOXI HD.

These experts include

teeitup,bfdtv,itgeek,fallingwater

Yes, although you can save money on the MoCA with an Actiontec/Westell router (from ebay) and a few Actiontec MoCA adapters.
I saw those on Amazon too, but didn't know if they we okay or not. I guess you're saying they are. But are you also saying I can't use them with my Linksys router? I though all I needed to do was place an adapter between the wall and my modem and then the wall and the Mate to get everything to access the network. No?

The LG 370 has a superior Netflix implementation that supports HD, so you should just use that.
I don't think I asked this right. The real question is will I still be able to access Netflix with the Mate through the network if I just used the LG 370 and not the PlayOn/notebook? I have a feeling I'd only get Netflix on the TV the LG 370 is connected to.

The LG 370 is a good Blu-ray player so long as your TV accepts 1080p24 input and you don't expect stellar DVD output quality. It's middle-of-the-pack when it comes to DVD playback.
Better suggestion? I have no attachment to LG, so I'm open to anything. Samsung 3600? Something else.

This would eliminate the need for a separate SDV adapter, and avoid the two-tuner limitation of the current Cisco SDV adapter.
Cox here doesn't SDV any channels I care about, but I'd sure hate to lose the 3rd tuner at some point.

Arris (Moxi's new owner) is in good financial shape.............then there may not be much incentive for them to continue paying for the guide data.

I don't think there is any risk of that happening in the next year or two, but there is some uncertainty long-term.

Sure does seem uncertain. Seems like a pretty big leap of faith to spend that kind of money. I guess if push came to shove they'd start charging a fee. I'd hate that, but if it was just what it cost them I could probably live with it.

But it's still a gamble. If they bump up the marketing budget and start selling it as an alternative to Tivo then they could get some traction.

But surely there is a quasi-finite end at some point. Of course, the same would be true for Tivo if everyone bought lifetime subscriptions to their guide service. I guess they could just separate the service and grandfather current owners in. Nothing lasts a lifetime, so that term is really a misnomer. :)

PlayOn is free to Moxi users until the end of November under their latest promotion Dave. They'll send you a one time licence when you activate the service.

Thanks, but I don't think I'll be ready to purchase by then. It's only $40, so it's the not knowing if accessing PlayOn/Netflix via my wireless notebooks will work reliably. I should mention I don't use Netflix or any of those services now, so there is no hurry. Of course, the sooner I buy, the sooner I begin recouping the cost. I don't know if a Cox DVR will ever interface with Netflix and I can almost guarantee 3-room service will cost at least the current $47/mo (23 for DVR and 12 each for 2 HD receivers). I know the software they are going to release will add most features of Tivo/Moxi, but it's just not worth almost $50/mo forever. :)

I am considering either a Moxi or another S3-both look very good asthetically.
Q1. Can a user upgrade the internal HDD to 1.5 or 2 TB? (I understand warranty implications)
Q2. Can you extract content (w/appropriate CCI flags) like firewire method or tivo desktop method.
Q3. Can you stream HD m2ts/ts/mkv from network storage? (Mpeg2/VC1/AVC)

Thank You

Q1. Can a user upgrade the internal HDD to 1.5 or 2 TB? (I understand warranty implications)
A1. I think this has not been done by anyone who owns a MOXI HD. Primarily for two reasons. 1. There current not enough of a MOXI HD user base. 2. Warranty reasons. However, I think it can be done with a ghosting or drive imaging program.
Q2. Can you extract content (w/appropriate CCI flags) like firewire method or tivo desktop method.
A2. No. I think it is not possible. They do not offer any software and the shows on the program are encrypted.
Q3. Can you stream HD m2ts/ts/mkv from network storage? (Mpeg2/VC1/AVC
A3. I think as long as it is DLNA compliant it should be fine.

Thanks, but I don't think I'll be ready to purchase by then. It's only $40, so it's the not knowing if accessing PlayOn/Netflix via my wireless notebooks will work reliably. I should mention I don't use Netflix or any of those services now, so there is no hurry. Of course, the sooner I buy, the sooner I begin recouping the cost. I don't know if a Cox DVR will ever interface with Netflix and I can almost guarantee 3-room service will cost at least the current $47/mo (23 for DVR and 12 each for 2 HD receivers). I know the software they are going to release will add most features of Tivo/Moxi, but it's just not worth almost $50/mo forever. :)

If all you are looking at is Netflix then a Blu-ray with NF capability is the way to go. I used to use it all the time on the Samsung 2550 and it works very well, with little to no delay. The latest LG range is better overall than the latest Samsung for playback (Samsung dropped their HQV processing) so I would stick with the LG.

S&V have a head-to-head with current LG and Samsung models.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/bluray/3252/wireless-blu-ray-player-face-off-sony-bdp-s560-page2.html

The LG would only work on the TV it's connected to but it would give you a feel for how useful it is and how frequently you would use it.

Alternatively you could always go for a Roku. You'll get most of the features of the PlayOn software without the need for a constantly running laptop. Admittedly at a twice the price and with another box and wires to handle. :D

When Moxi give the Mate the ability to live stream then it might be more enticing. Hopefully they'll also throw in some dedicated NF/Hulu/Amazon support into the Moxi hardware itself at some point and not having to use PlayOn will make it easier to set up.

But surely there is a quasi-finite end at some point. Of course, the same would be true for Tivo if everyone bought lifetime subscriptions to their guide service. I guess they could just separate the service and grandfather current owners in. Nothing lasts a lifetime, so that term is really a misnomer. :)

Well if I get a year out of the Moxi I'll be happy. I hate TWC's IPG so much, a year off will feel like a lifetime.

Hopefully by the time the Moxi turns into a doorstop, TWC might have hired some competent programmers to bring their software up to 2008, so going back might be more palatable.

But are you also saying I can't use them with my Linksys router? I though all I needed to do was place an adapter between the wall and my modem and then the wall and the Mate to get everything to access the network. No?You can certainly use your Linksys router. But an Actiontec MoCA router can take the place of a MoCA adapter, and they cost closer to $20-$30 than $70-$80.

I have a Westell 9100EM MoCA router connected directly to my D-Link router -- I got it for $20 on ebay. I have a Motorola NIM-100 or Actiontec MoCA adapter in each room with a PC, server, or CE device. You can connect a network switch to the ethernet port on a MoCA adapter to give you more ports.

I have a feeling I'd only get Netflix on the TV the LG 370 is connected to.That's correct. The LG does not provide your Moxi access to Netflix. You need the PlayOn software for that.

Better suggestion? I have no attachment to LG, so I'm open to anything. Samsung 3600? Something else.The Blu-ray players with the best DVD playback don't seem to support Netflix, unfortunately.

If I were buying a new Blu-ray player today for my Kuro (which supports 24p), and I wanted Netflix support, I would get the LG 370 or LG 390.

I am considering either a Moxi or another S3-both look very good asthetically.I wouldn't buy a S3 at this point. I would either get Moxi or wait until January to see what TiVo offers with their DVR refresh for Best Buy.

Q2. Can you extract content (w/appropriate CCI flags) like firewire method or tivo desktop method.No. The Moxi does not have Firewire, and they do not provide any form of transfer/offload functionality.

Q3. Can you stream HD m2ts/ts/mkv from network storage? (Mpeg2/VC1/AVC)The Moxi can decode MPEG-2 and MPEG-4, but I'm not sure how the PlayOn software handles the streaming of the M2TS/TS/MKV formats. Perhaps VisionOn or another member can test that.

If you're looking for dedicated media player to play all videos natively, without software transcoding, then Moxi may not be what you want. AFAIK, Broadcom's current DVR CPUs can't handle the high bitrates used on BD disks and full-size BD rips, nor can they handle DTS or Dolby Digital @ > 448Kbps.

If all you are looking at is Netflix then a Blu-ray with NF capability is the way to go. I used to use it all the time on the Samsung 2550 and it works very well, with little to no delay. The latest LG range is better overall than the latest Samsung for playback (Samsung dropped their HQV processing) so I would stick with the LG.

S&V have a head-to-head with current LG and Samsung models.
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/bluray/3252/wireless-blu-ray-player-face-off-sony-bdp-s560-page2.html

The LG would only work on the TV it's connected to but it would give you a feel for how useful it is and how frequently you would use it.

Alternatively you could always go for a Roku. You'll get most of the features of the PlayOn software without the need for a constantly running laptop. Admittedly at a twice the price and with another box and wires to handle. :D

When Moxi give the Mate the ability to live stream then it might be more enticing. Hopefully they'll also throw in some dedicated NF/Hulu/Amazon support into the Moxi hardware itself at some point and not having to use PlayOn will make it easier to set up.

Don't get me wrong, the plan is to get the 370 now and the Moxi early next year. I'm not overly concerned about Netflix anywhere except in the family room where the main TV and AVR are located. The questions were just for info to understand the capabilities. Netflix, etc., would still be nice in the bedrooms and leaving a notebook on for PlayOn would be no problem. In fact, it wouldn't be all that hard to add a wire for the notebook that would be used the most when our daughter is in her bedroom. Truth be told, I already have the cables to wire all 3 notebooks.

I read those reviews and they seemed to favor the 390, so I think the 370 is still a good choice. The main TV is an older CRT-base Hitachi 65" with Component and DVI, so I don't know that I'd notice any difference in playback quality between models until this TV needs to be replaced.

We watch almost everything recorded, so "live" on the Mate is not an issue. If need be, we can always split the cable and also feed the QAM tuner. I assume "live" on the Mate is going to limit how many programs can be recorded at one time. If all 3 TVs are watching "live", I assume nothing can be recorded until a tuner is freed up.

I've heard Tivo will have a new Tivo HD available next year and cableco's, at least Cox, may start releasing newer Cisco DVRs to go along with their new IPG software. Normally, I'd be looking forward to the changes, but the continuing monthly cost is really bothering me these days. :)

You can certainly use your Linksys router. But an Actiontec MoCA router can take the place of a MoCA adapter, and they cost closer to $20-$30 than $70-$80.

I have a Westell 9100EM MoCA router connected directly to my D-Link router -- I got it for $20 on ebay. I have a Motorola NIM-100 and Actiontec MoCA adapter in each room where I have a PC, server, or CE device.
I will have to check into all this. I'm all for cheaper as long as it works. Thanks.

If I were buying a new Blu-ray player today for my Kuro (which supports 24p), and I wanted Netflix support, I would get the LG 370 or LG 390.
That is good to know. My bedroom TVs support 1080p (I assume 24fps), but my Hitachi CRT-based 65" doesn't. Am I wasting money on the 370 because of this? Or even wasting time with Blu-Ray altogether?

I wouldn't buy a S3 at this point. I would either get Moxi or wait until January to see what TiVo offers with their DVR refresh for Best Buy.
I wasn't planning on it, I was being sarcastic. I already have a Wii that doesn't get used, so I really don't need another game machine even if it does Blu-Ray.

My bedroom TVs support 1080p (I assume 24fps), but my Hitachi CRT-based 65" doesn't. Am I wasting money on the 370 because of this? I don't think so. Go for it.

Amazon.com had the LG 370 for $129 before they sold out earlier today.

I don't think so. Go for it.

Amazon.com had the LG 370 for $129 before they sold out earlier today.

Gosh, I checked early too. It's back up to $147 and 1-2 month shipping estimate. For that price I would have ordered it. Adorama through Amazon has it for $145 with free shipping and no tax. It's $149.99 plus tax at Best Buy (about $16 more) and $30 for 4-year warranty, but I think it might be worth it in case I get a dud.

Ok, a few more things before I turn my attention to White Collar:

FWIW, someone in our Phoenix thread just said the "live" update for the Mate is supposed to be released on Jan 18. He has a Moxi 3-tuner and 1 Mate.

He also said all I need the computer for was to download the PlayOn software, install it and activate it. After that, the computer doesn't need to be on because the PlayOn application is installed on the Moxi. Is this true?

If I get all this, how am I going to find time to watch all that will be available to me? :)

He also said all I need the computer for was to download the PlayOn software, install it and activate it. After that, the computer doesn't need to be on because the PlayOn application is installed on the Moxi. Is this true?

If I get all this, how am I going to find time to watch all that will be available to me? :)

The computer has to be on and PlayOn has to be running in the background. PO is basically streaming the content direct to the box. Nothing sits on the box apart from the Moxi OS which has PO compatibility.

More details are in the manual. (Page 131)
https://moxi.com/us/support/MC4R/moxi_hd_dvr_users_guide.pdf

I never have time to watch everything. That's why I needed the bigger hard drive in the Moxi. At least then the recordings have enough room to sit there until next Summer. :D

The computer has to be on and PlayOn has to be running in the background. PO is basically streaming the content direct to the box. Nothing sits on the box apart from the Moxi OS which has PO compatibility.

More details are in the manual. (Page 131)
https://moxi.com/us/support/MC4R/moxi_hd_dvr_users_guide.pdf


I thought that sounded funny and maybe I just misunderstood what he was saying. Maybe I don't need to be concerned, I'm running 10-12mbps on SpeedTest.net these days with the mid-level internet package from Cox. I downloaded the manual and will go through it tomorrow. :)

I just got off of the phone with Verizon. They are sending a tech out on Wednesday to install my MCable Card to the tune of $80! You know it is bad when the rep wonders why he can't just ship the card out to me. He even asked if there was anything special about the card, I told him no. Regardless, I want the card, I have to pay to have them deliver and install, plus they can take their crap box with them.

I can't wait to get the card, QAM has next to no channels to really play around with. This time of year there is not to much to record on broadcast stations due to the holidays. So most of our recordings at this time are on either premiums or cable channels.

Can't wait until Wednesday, especially since I am off from work for a 6 days after that! I will give my Moxi a workout.

I just got off of the phone with Verizon. They are sending a tech out on Wednesday to install my MCable Card to the tune of $80! You know it is bad when the rep wonders why he can't just ship the card out to me.

And I thought the $20 I got charged for a mandatory TWC install was bad.

Having said that, I don't think I would have liked to have done it myself. The combination of tuning adapter and card just makes for a long chain of tech activation calls on TWC.

A few people have commented that the picture quality of the Moxi is better than the SA 8300HD. I'm very disappointed in the picture quality of my 8300HD.

What hardware in the Moxi could improve picture quality over an SA 8300HD? A better MPEG decoder? I thought I read somewhere that the 8300HD is not capable of true 1920 x 1080i, but rather something lke 1440 x 1080i. Maybe that's the reason for the Moxi's improved picture quality?

FWIW, a close pal with a really good visual sense and I both thought we got a little extra pop in PQ on 8300HDs just from the software change from Passport to MDN.

Do NOT forget that some simple changes in processing can change the appearance... and that in general, more contrast can make for as PQ many call better... but in fact, added contrast CAN mean more blocked up shadows.

Moxi is currently at a crossroads regarding that. Arris is not in any financial trouble but if Moxi becomes an albatross they can't get to fly there's no guarantee they will stick with it.

Arris released a road map that includes the Moxi at the center of their proposed home content integration plan which is a good sign. They also dropped the price and gained some new users which was also a good move.

Plus of course they still have some existing boxes in cableco land running Moxi guide software which they would need to support.

But it's still a gamble. If they bump up the marketing budget and start selling it as an alternative to Tivo then they could get some traction.

Pretty much matches my opinions... not to mention that TiVo isn't exactly in the best of shape... there sub numbers are going down, read they are now at the 2004 level.

I think they very much NOW have a good story to sell... notice how TiVo immediately dropped prices a LOT as soon as the new Moxi pricing was announced.

But surely there is a quasi-finite end at some point. Of course, the same would be true for Tivo if everyone bought lifetime subscriptions to their guide service. I guess they could just separate the service and grandfather current owners in. Nothing lasts a lifetime, so that term is really a misnomer. :)

There's one issue I see w/Lifetime... it's tied to the specific box. Should that box fail after 3 years, it will cost 350 bucks to be back in business. It would be 150 for the new box AND a 200 fee to "transfer" the lifetime to the new box.

Don't get me wrong, the plan is to get the 370 now and the Moxi early next year. I'm not overly concerned about Netflix anywhere except in the family room where the main TV and AVR are located. The questions were just for info to understand the capabilities. Netflix, etc., would still be nice in the bedrooms and leaving a notebook on for PlayOn would be no problem. In fact, it wouldn't be all that hard to add a wire for the notebook that would be used the most when our daughter is in her bedroom. Truth be told, I already have the cables to wire all 3 notebooks.

I read those reviews and they seemed to favor the 390, so I think the 370 is still a good choice. The main TV is an older CRT-base Hitachi 65" with Component and DVI, so I don't know that I'd notice any difference in playback quality between models until this TV needs to be replaced.

We watch almost everything recorded, so "live" on the Mate is not an issue. If need be, we can always split the cable and also feed the QAM tuner. I assume "live" on the Mate is going to limit how many programs can be recorded at one time. If all 3 TVs are watching "live", I assume nothing can be recorded until a tuner is freed up.

I've heard Tivo will have a new Tivo HD available next year and cableco's, at least Cox, may start releasing newer Cisco DVRs to go along with their new IPG software. Normally, I'd be looking forward to the changes, but the continuing monthly cost is really bothering me these days. :)

I think the 390 is simply the 370 with a built in WiFi card. The LGs supply Netflix without ANY additional anything, just hook them to your router.

I think Arris is saying they will update the Mates to allow "live" viewing.

TiVo is another story... their sub numbers seem to be back to 2004 levels. They "seem" to be uber interested in collecting patent infringement $$$$. Their recent price drops COULD be 100% due to the Moxi price drop and not necessarily an indicator a new model is about to be announced.

I'm still tossing around router ideas... I now have zero need for wireless, but who knows when I may need to have it. Any opinion on what the best non-wireless routers are?

If I get all this, how am I going to find time to watch all that will be available to me? :)

Boy, THAT is the real issue. Every time I start lusting after terabytes of DVR storage, I think it means having more stuff that I'll never, ever get to actually use!

I just got off of the phone with Verizon. They are sending a tech out on Wednesday to install my MCable Card to the tune of $80!

It seems the Cisco adapters TWC uses limit a Moxi to 2 tuners (I assume TWC uses said adapters in all it's markets... they may not) so it might be interesting to find out if the TAs Verizon uses are capable of 3 tuners... and if said adpaters are the ones Verizon uses in all it's locations.

It seems the Cisco adapters TWC uses limit a Moxi to 2 tuners (I assume TWC uses said adapters in all it's markets... they may not) so it might be interesting to find out if the TAs Verizon uses are capable of 3 tuners... and if said adpaters are the ones Verizon uses in all it's locations.
Hey Riverside Guy,

I'm probably just uptown from you. I've had the Moxi for ~2 mos now. Fairly stable. Generally, very pleased. Now have the Mate which works flawlessly. More to your point. Simply, have MCard. No Cisco anything hanging off the box for me. (Can't see why my Mcard wouldn't work with three tuner model.)

Not having to pay TWC monthly STB & remote rental fees? ...Priceless.

J

Time Warner NYC (Man North Head End)

It seems the Cisco adapters TWC uses limit a Moxi to 2 tuners (I assume TWC uses said adapters in all it's markets... they may not) so it might be interesting to find out if the TAs Verizon uses are capable of 3 tuners... and if said adpaters are the ones Verizon uses in all it's locations.Verizon FiOS does not use SDV, and has no plans for SDV, so there is no need for a tuning adapter. With Verizon FiOS, you'll be able to use all three tuners on all channels.

Every cable operator with Cisco/SA headend equipment and SDV uses the same Cisco STA1520 with the same two tuner limit. Cox and some other operators with Motorola headends are testing a Motorola MTR700 for SDV; that TA supports four tuners.

There's one issue I see w/Lifetime... it's tied to the specific box. Should that box fail after 3 years, it will cost 350 bucks to be back in business. It would be 150 for the new box AND a 200 fee to "transfer" the lifetime to the new box.Why would Moxi be any different? The lifetime subscription is tied to their unit, too. If your Moxi dies after three years, you pay $500 for a new one.

Edit: No longer true! Moxi now charges a flat $75 fee + parts cost for repairs after the warranty expires.

The overwhelming majority (95+%) of TiVo failures occur when the drive goes bad, and the same will probably be true with Moxi. Most new TiVos and Moxis will probably "die" after 3-4 years, as that seems about the average lifetime for a drive in a DVR. With TiVo, restoring operation involves a well-documented, 35-45 minute procedure to replace the drive.

From what I understand, Moxi stores its software on flash, so it may only be necessary to swap out the hard drive. It may not be necessary to restore a saved/downloaded copy of the software to a new hard drive. Until someone tries it, we won't know.


Their recent price drops COULD be 100% due to the Moxi price drop and not necessarily an indicator a new model is about to be announced.TiVo referred to a new product for Best Buy (early 2010) during each of its last two earnings announcements. TiVo mentioned "interface enhancements and developments;" they've also made references to more cost effective hardware.

My bet is that TiVo does away with analog support, as that's a big chunk of their cost. TiVo can't really compete with Moxi on total cost [with lifetime] until they eliminate the NTSC decoders, analog/digital converters, and dual MP@ML encoders used to record two analog channels.

Hey Riverside Guy,

I'm probably just uptown from you. I've had the Moxi for ~2 mos now. Fairly stable. Generally, very pleased. Now have the Mate which works flawlessly. More to your point. Simply, have MCard. No Cisco anything hanging off the box for me. (Can't see why my Mcard wouldn't work with three tuner model.)

Not having to pay TWC monthly STB & remote rental fees? ...Priceless.

J

Time Warner NYC (Man North Head End)

Cool, good to hear it working out of my head end.

It's not the authorization device (the MCard) that can cause an issue with the third tuner, it's when we need a tuning adapter. We have the head end structure for SDV (TWC even had a press release about it), but it hasn't been actually used yet. As soon as TWC-NYC starts using SDV, the third tuner will no longer function. Of course, there are imponderables, will TWC switch hardware for a TA compatible with more than 2 tuners (doubtful), will Arris figure a way around it (maybe), will it be 2-3 years before TWC-NYC has any SDV (maybe, but doubtful). Not to mention <tru2way> which I have no idea IF it impacts the SDV issue or even when an actual <tru2way> box is out AND TWC-NYC supports <tru2w2ay>.

From what I understand, Moxi stores its software on flash chip, so it is possible that one will only need to swap out the hard drive. It may not be necessary to restore a saved/downloaded copy of the software to a new hard drive. Until someone tries it, we won't know.

TiVo referred to a new product for Best Buy (early 2010) during each of its last two earnings announcements. TiVo mentioned "interface enhancements and developments;" they've also made references to more cost effective hardware.

My bet is that TiVo does away with analog support, as that's a big chunk of their cost. TiVo can't really compete with Moxi on total cost [with lifetime] until they eliminate the NTSC decoders, analog/digital converters, and dual MP@ML encoders used to record two analog channels.

Ah, thanks for the info! IF it's software was on a EEPROM/"flash chip" then that certainly suggests an ability to swap out the internal drive for a larger one. AND that should something go bad, one CAN swap the drive to see if that is the issue... knowing what is necessary for the box to run is already onboard.

Not to mention that even the supposed policies I indicated came from posts ON AVS which I couldn't seem to be actually stated by the companies. Somehow I'd be nervous talking to, say, TiVo about how they are supposed to do x, "because some guy posted that on AVS."

I asked about Moxi HD out of warranty repair. Here is their response.

Following the warranty expiration, the current repair cost will have a flat $75 labor fee plus parts


Thanks for your interest in Moxi. We received your email with your question and are happy to help.

The Moxi HD DVR is the best HD DVR on the planet because of its Emmy award-winning interface and it’s suite of online networking and multimedia home entertainment capabilities. It’s also the only HD DVR with no monthly fees. (check out our website – www.moxi.com – for full details).

The Moxi HD DVR comes with a full warranty similar to other products in your home such as your LCD or Plasma TV to cover against any unforeseen issues. MOXI has a standard one year warranty from the original ship date. During the first 90 days, your warranty covers both parts and labor. After 90 days, and for the remainder of the one year warranty period, your warranty covers parts.

Should your Moxi need repair, you simply call our Customer Service desk and they will provide the address of our US based service center to send the unit for repair. It couldn’t be easier. Following the warranty expiration, the current repair cost will have a flat $75 labor fee plus parts. The life-time service is transferrable should you gift or sell your Moxi HD DVR as well as any remaining warranty.

We are available to answer any additional questions you might have and don’t forget that the Moxi HD DVR has a 30 day money back guarantee.

Again, thanks for your interest and we look forward to you joining the Moxi family.

I asked about Moxi HD out of warranty repair. Here is their response.

Following the warranty expiration, the current repair cost will have a flat $75 labor fee plus partsThat is very good to know. Sounds like the repair policy may have changed since launch. Or I was misinformed. Either way, I stand corrected.

That is definitely an advantage for Moxi. TiVo charges a flat $150 fee to replace after the warranty expires, but also charges an additional $199 lifetime transfer fee after three years.

Edit: I updated the DVR comparison chart (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17063966#post17063966) to reflect that.

That is very good to know. Sounds like the repair policy may have changed since launch.

That is definitely an advantage for Moxi. TiVo charges a flat $150 fee to replace after the warranty expires, but also charges an additional $150 lifetime transfer fee after three years.

Hmmm, could swear it was $200 for the transfer after three years with a lifetime sub. The excuse was "because it's tied to the machine, not the customer."

Hmmm, could swear it was $200 for the transfer after three years with a lifetime sub. The excuse was "because it's tied to the machine, not the customer."That was a typo. Fixed.

As a correction to my comparison table, someone just posted this:

Actually, [with the new 3-tuner Moxi] you can use the analog dongle and 3 digital tuners all at the same time [to record 4 shows]. You can simultaneously record 3 digital + 1 analog (w/the dongle) while watching a recording and streaming live or recorded TV to 1 or 2 Mates.

Also, the new 3 tuner Moxi has twice the memory (512MB), so it navigates faster and can handle the extra tuner and two Mates more easily.

Ah, thanks for the info! IF it's software was on a EEPROM/"flash chip" then that certainly suggests an ability to swap out the internal drive for a larger one. AND that should something go bad, one CAN swap the drive to see if that is the issue... knowing what is necessary for the box to run is already onboard.



FWIW, earlier this week, I began noticing that my Moxi HD was a lot louder than I ever remember it being before. So I stopped by their Live Chat and asked what the procedure was for replacing a bad HD. The rep said they could be replaced but I would lose all of my recordings. I then asked if it was something I could do myself or would I have to ship it to Moxi. He replied that it would need to be sent to them.

It's not the authorization device (the MCard) that can cause an issue with the third tuner, it's when we need a tuning adapter. We have the head end structure for SDV (TWC even had a press release about it), but it hasn't been actually used yet. As soon as TWC-NYC starts using SDV, the third tuner will no longer function. Of course, there are imponderables, will TWC switch hardware for a TA compatible with more than 2 tuners (doubtful), will Arris figure a way around it (maybe), will it be 2-3 years before TWC-NYC has any SDV (maybe, but doubtful). Not to mention <tru2way> which I have no idea IF it impacts the SDV issue or even when an actual <tru2way> box is out AND TWC-NYC supports <tru2w2ay>.
Too bad the TA doesn't just limit 2 of the tuners to the SDV channels and still allow the 3rd one to work with all the other channels. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get a TA though until you know which channels are SDV. The last time I checked here, SDV was pretty limited and didn't affect any HD channels. So, unless something changes, I'll be a happay camper with 3 tuners.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17618100#post17618100

The links to boblablaw in the above post don't work. Has his info been verified?:
Actually, [with the new 3-tuner Moxi] you can use the analog dongle and 3 digital tuners all at the same time [to record 4 shows]. You can simultaneously record 3 digital + 1 analog (w/the dongle) while watching a recording and streaming live or recorded TV to 1 or 2 Mates.

If not, I've got a Moxi, Mate, and dongle. I've never used the Mate but picked it up when on sale for $199 (the dongle was free).

What do I have to do to verify or disprove whether Moxi has 4 tuner capability?

FWIW, earlier this week, I began noticing that my Moxi HD was a lot louder than I ever remember it being before. So I stopped by their Live Chat and asked what the procedure was for replacing a bad HD. The rep said they could be replaced but I would lose all of my recordings. I then asked if it was something I could do myself or would I have to ship it to Moxi. He replied that it would need to be sent to them.

Welllll, TiVo would say the same thing. For sure, they do not d/l the full software suite, which is why an internal swap involves the step with a computer to get the OS from the current drive and write it to the replacement. My GUESS is a Moxi CAN follow a similar system IF someone had the inclination to write it. Then again, they seem FAR more flexible about adding external storage... including multi-disc arrays.

Too bad the TA doesn't just limit 2 of the tuners to the SDV channels and still allow the 3rd one to work with all the other channels. Don't be in too big of a hurry to get a TA though until you know which channels are SDV. The last time I checked here, SDV was pretty limited and didn't affect any HD channels. So, unless something changes, I'll be a happay camper with 3 tuners.

Similar here... we got the head end infrastructure for SDV, but don't really have all that much need right now. We STILL have another ~30 analogs that COULD mean another 100 HD channels... but we're at 116 and there just aren't all that many more to be had anyway.

I find it a tad odd they don't offer the 3 tuner box by itself, say for another 100... say 600 bucks. I mean there MUST be some like me with only one big HD display...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17618100#post17618100

The links to boblablaw in the above post don't work. Has his info been verified?:
Actually, [with the new 3-tuner Moxi] you can use the analog dongle and 3 digital tuners all at the same time [to record 4 shows]. You can simultaneously record 3 digital + 1 analog (w/the dongle) while watching a recording and streaming live or recorded TV to 1 or 2 Mates.

If not, I've got a Moxi, Mate, and dongle. I've never used the Mate but picked it up when on sale for $199 (the dongle was free).

What do I have to do to verify or disprove whether Moxi has 4 tuner capability?

I searched for boblablaw. His stats show he has only 9 posts and the last one was in Jan 08, so I'm not sure where the links came from.

At any rate, FAQ #14 at www.moxi.com is a bit ambiguous. It says:
The Moxi HD DVR is optimized to work with Digital Cable service. For the support of analog cable channels, you would need an accessory called an analog dongle available here. It plugs into the USB port on the Moxi HD DVR. Using this, you will have full DVR support, as well as the other features that the Moxi HD DVR provides, but would only be able to record a single analog show at a time. The HD channels will be discovered by the Moxi automatically, and you would have the capability to record two shows at a time.

This seem to say you can record 1 analog program with the dongle while recording 2 HD programs with the Moxi tuners. I assume the FAQ was written before the 3-tuner Moxi was released, so it would follow that the dongle simply adds a separate analog tuner (hence the high cost at $130) to the mix giving you access to 4 channels total with the 3-tuner Moxi. The easiest way to find out is to plug your dongle in and see what you get. Is there a reason you don't want to do this?

I assume the FAQ was written before the 3-tuner Moxi was released, so it would follow that the dongle simply adds a separate analog tuner (hence the high cost at $130) to the mix giving you access to 4 channels total with the 3-tuner Moxi.

The dongle is just the Hauppage 1950, nothing specific to the Moxi.

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1950.html

Anyone tried any other USB tuners?

If you have a tuning adapter of course then you can't use it anyway since the adapter uses the single USB port on the Moxi. The Mate has two USB ports but I can't see a reason why it would. It would have made more sense to have given the primary unit two USB ports.

Anyone know why the Mate has two USB ports? What can they be used for?

So Comcast got rid of analogs above basic channels in my area... does having an extra analog tuner do anything for me?

Anyone know why the Mate has two USB ports? What can they be used for?One USB port is needed for a SDV TA, on systems that use SDV.

Edit: Misread question. Thought you were asking about the Moxi, not the Mate.

One USB port is needed for a SDV TA, on systems that use SDV.

But the Mate doesn't need the adapter. It only receives Moxi/PC networked programming and doesn't have a tuner.

If the primary Moxi has to use the adapter then why would you need one on the Mate?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17618100#post17618100

The links to boblablaw in the above post don't work.

I searched for boblablaw. His stats show he has only 9 posts and the last one was in Jan 08, so I'm not sure where the links came from.

The quote from boblablaw is from the Tivo forum:

http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7632847#post7632847




If not, I've got a Moxi, Mate, and dongle. I've never used the Mate but picked it up when on sale for $199 (the dongle was free).

What do I have to do to verify or disprove whether Moxi has 4 tuner capability?

Do you have the dual tuner Moxi or the newer three-tuner model?

As a correction to my comparison table...

Now I can put 2 and 2 together! MUCH thanks for maintaining that chart... I finds it VERY well done because it shows a LOT of stuff that the typical comparison chart never does.

ANYONE contemplating ANYTHING other than cable co DVR must spend some time with this chart!

...The easiest way to find out is to plug your dongle in and see what you get. Is there a reason you don't want to do this?

I'm using the dongle now as a 3rd tuner. Since all the dongle channels are (TBA) with no EPG data, its output can be watched live and buffered almost normally (the progress bar doesn't indicate where in the buffer it is) but not recorded.

What do I have to do with the Mate?

The quote from boblablaw is from the Tivo forum:

http://tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7632847#post7632847

Thanks! :)

Do you have the dual tuner Moxi or the newer three-tuner model?

I have the dual tuner original Moxi, Mate, and dongle.

I'm using the dongle now as a 3rd tuner. Since all the dongle channels are (TBA) with no EPG data, its output can be watched live and buffered almost normally (the progress bar doesn't indicate where in the buffer it is) but not recorded.

What do I have to do with the Mate?

Thanks! :)

I have the dual tuner original Moxi, Mate, and dongle.

Ok, so you are getting 3 channels between the 2-tuner Moxi and the dongle. All the Mate does is give you the ability to watch your recordings on another TV in a bedroom or something as long as you have it connected to your network. Early next year, they will be adding "live" capability to the Mate, so you will then be able to watch live TV in addition to the recordings.

http://moxi.com/us/home.html

Have I been misunderstanding the entire concept? :o

What's the difference between the original 2 tuner Moxi and the 3 tuner Moxi with the Mate? Is the Moxi box itself totally different? :confused:

How many programs can the 3 tuner Moxi record without connecting the Mate?

How many programs can the 3 tuner Moxi record without connecting the Mate?

3 - unless you use a Cisco tuning adapter, which limits the box to two. The three-tuner Moxi has three built-in tuners without the Hauppauge 1950.

The Mate only streams content from the main Moxi box. It has no tuner or drive so the Mate has no effect on how much you can record.

http://moxi.com/us/home.html

Have I been misunderstanding the entire concept? :o

What's the difference between the original 2 tuner Moxi and the 3 tuner Moxi with the Mate? Is the Moxi box itself totally different? :confused:

How many programs can the 3 tuner Moxi record without connecting the Mate?

The only difference between the 2-tuner and the 3-tuner is 1 tuner (well, maybe some added memory, etc., in the 3-tuner). Otherwise, they work the same way; record 2 (or 3) programs while watching a recording, stream Netflix, etc. Right now they do not appear to sell the 3-tuner model without the Mate.

Like I said, all the Mate does is let you view things on a TV in another room. For example, I could be watching something in the family room and my daughter could be watching something else in her bedroom. The Mate has to be hard-wired to the internet, so you need one of the network extenders (Powerline, MoCA, dedicated cabling, etc.) for it to be of any use.

If you thought it turned your 2-tuner Moxi into a 3-tuner Moxi, then you definitely misunderstood.

As you already know, the dongle adds an analog tuner to the mix.

I definitely misunderstood. I did think the extra tuner depended on the Mate. I currently have a Mate connected via a Netgear Wireless-N access device but have never used it. For $799 the 3 tuner Moxi with Mate is a deal! :eek:

I definitely misunderstood. I did think the extra tuner depended on the Mate. I currently have a Mate connected via a Netgear Wireless-N access device but have never used it. For $799 the 3 tuner Moxi with Mate is a deal! :eek:

Glad we got that cleared up. :)

I updated and reorganized the DVR comparison chart (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17063966&postcount=2).

At the bottom of the table, I also added a section for screenshots, and need the shots for Moxi. By chance, does anyone have a Slingbox HD or a Hava HD connected to their Moxi to take some shots with their PC?

Anybody know of its availability in Central Michigan.

Have pm Umatter2charter on this and some other questions, but get no response.

Anybody know of its availability in Central Michigan.

It's available everywhere as long as you have cable or FiOS. It's not tied to specific markets like the Arris cable-issued box. This is the thread for the retail consumer Moxi.

I updated and reorganized the DVR comparison chart (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=17063966&postcount=2).

At the bottom of the table, I also added a section for screenshots, and need the shots for Moxi. By chance, does anyone have a Slingbox HD or a Hava HD connected to their Moxi to take some shots with their PC?

Did you ever consider a few columns depicting some common cable supplied DVRs?

Im having a love/hate relationship with my Moxi. I like the interface.. its not especially intuitive but its not terrible either. It looks great tho.

I hate the SDV implementation. The first week I had the box, it was flawless. Someone said TWC did a firmware upgrade on the SDV adapters about 10 days ago and Ive had nothing but headaches since. It seems to lose my SDV channels constantly and the only way to get them back is to cold boot the Moxi and the SDV adapter.

Ive also been having issues with online scheduling... Im hoping that sorts itself out because at one point it worked fine. Now it keeps telling me it cant contact my device.

I hate the SDV implementation. The first week I had the box, it was flawless. Someone said TWC did a firmware upgrade on the SDV adapters about 10 days ago and Ive had nothing but headaches since. It seems to lose my SDV channels constantly and the only way to get them back is to cold boot the Moxi and the SDV adapter.

Yup. Had to reboot today to cure the horrible Cisco box losing connection. It was an issue during the install too.

SDV is nothing but a problem reduced to three letters. It's a quick and lazy band-aid for poor cableco planning and investment.

Okay. Is there any way to remove some of the options from the main menu?

I like to remove these cards that I do not use like Music Moxinet, Flickr, etc

Okay. Is there any way to remove some of the options from the main menu?

I like to remove these cards that I do not use like Music Moxinet, Flickr, etc

I'd like to hide those too, plus some of the programming filters, but I haven't seen or found a way. It would make it a lot faster to zip through the options.

Guess we have to wait for an official update option.

Im having a love/hate relationship with my Moxi. I like the interface.. its not especially intuitive but its not terrible either. It looks great tho.

I hate the SDV implementation. The first week I had the box, it was flawless. Someone said TWC did a firmware upgrade on the SDV adapters about 10 days ago and Ive had nothing but headaches since. It seems to lose my SDV channels constantly and the only way to get them back is to cold boot the Moxi and the SDV adapter.
Yup. Had to reboot today to cure the horrible Cisco box losing connection. It was an issue during the install too.

SDV is nothing but a problem reduced to three letters. It's a quick and lazy band-aid for poor cableco planning and investment.
I just want to reiterate that these issues are not Moxi specific. The Moxi, TivoHD, and ATI CableCard PC tuners all exhibit similar problems with SDV in certain markets. In these service areas, the TAs periodically reset, and when that happens, you temporarily lose all channels. In other areas, users do not see these problems, so it is possible for SDV support to work reliably with the right TA firmware and head-end configuration.

Based on early reports, the Motorola SDV TAs (for Motorola head-ends) are much more stable/reliable.

How many of you are running Harmonies with the Moxi? I have an 890 and have not set it up yet. Before I do I was just wondering how the Harmonies are working with the Moxie and if you guys have any tips or what not that would be beneficial, thanks!

I have a Harmony remote and I've had no problems using it with the Moxi. It's been awhile since I've set it up, but I don't think I had to change any of the initial button assignments. Good luck!

anyone "upgrade" from the 2 tuner model to the 3 tuner? Does the extra ram speed things up any? I am curious, because i dont need the mate now, maybe in the future, so i am looking at the 2 tuner, since my cabl co, has alot of sdv, and i will lose the 3rd tuner anyway.

suzook11. I am not sure if anyone has gone via that path.

I think you have a good idea.. stick with a two tuner... you can get a moxi mate from ebay for about $200-$250 when you need it.

anyone "upgrade" from the 2 tuner model to the 3 tuner? Does the extra ram speed things up any? I am curious, because i dont need the mate now, maybe in the future, so i am looking at the 2 tuner, since my cabl co, has alot of sdv, and i will lose the 3rd tuner anyway.

Problem is you can NOT get the 3 tuner box without paying for (and getting) the MoxiMate.

anyone "upgrade" from the 2 tuner model to the 3 tuner? Does the extra ram speed things up any?Yes, somewhat, although the difference may depend in part on what you are doing with the box.

With the Moxi platform, 128MB memory is devoted to the Linux kernel and Broadcom decoders. The rest of the memory is devoted to the software. Thus, the two-tuner Moxi has 128MB (of 256) memory for the software and the triple-tuner model has 384MB (of 512).

As noted above, you can't currently order the triple-tuner Moxi without the Mate.

Is anyone having trouble scheduling online?

I am getting this message.

Device did not respond to request in a timely fashion

Is anyone having trouble scheduling online?

I am getting this message.

Device did not respond to request in a timely fashion

I just scheduled a recording online without any problems.

Problem is you can NOT get the 3 tuner box without paying for (and getting) the MoxiMate.

i know, this is pretty stupid if you ask me. I guess its a way for them to get rid of the 2tuner models. I currently have a tivo series3. I really like the look of the UI on the moxi, and i would be able to get an m card from my local cable co. The s cards they use have a high failure rate.

My Moxi 3-tuner with mate arrived today. The CableCard was no problem at all -- I picked it up a few days ago at my local Comcast office, where they had plenty and knew what a multistream card was and everything. Plugged it in and it pretty much all just worked.

Only real annoyance is the default "keep for 2 days" setting for all new recordings and series. I'm told there's no way to change the default and you just have to change it for every recording. sigh.

Unfortunately the Mate isn't working yet -- it keeps starting up, saying it's downloading a critical update, restarting, and then downloading the critical update again. Done this like ten times now. Anybody seen this or know what to try?

Only real annoyance is the default "keep for 2 days" setting for all new recordings and series. I'm told there's no way to change the default and you just have to change it for every recording. sigh.


Although that is the default setting, I have never had a recording automatically deleted. I believe it will keep it a minimum of 2 days then only delete it if you run out of hard drive space.

Only real annoyance is the default "keep for 2 days" setting for all new recordings and series. I'm told there's no way to change the default and you just have to change it for every recording. sigh.



I believe this is one of the changes being made in the "fall" update when they eventually get around to releasing it.

Ah... so "keep for 2 days" doesn't mean "get rid of it after 2 days" but "stop protecting it from being deleted when space is needed after 2 days." I guess that explains the triangle-exclamation points that warn the show isn't protected. The language in the UI (and the docs) isn't very clear about that.

Still working on the Mate issue but overall I'm thrilled so far. My GF is already asking when we can get rid of the Comcast box.

Ah... so "keep for 2 days" doesn't mean "get rid of it after 2 days" but "stop protecting it from being deleted when space is needed after 2 days." I guess that explains the triangle-exclamation points that warn the show isn't protected. The language in the UI (and the docs) isn't very clear about that.Right. The terminology is different, but Moxi's "keep for 2 days" option is virtually identical to the default behavior on a TiVo. By default, TiVo protects every recording for 48 hours, and then only deletes it when (a) it is the oldest recording on the DVR, and (b) space is needed for a future recording.

The Moxi "Fall update" coming in January will add the ability to change the default settings for new series recordings, should you desire to do that.

The Moxi "Fall update" coming in January will add the ability to change the default settings for new series recordings, should you desire to do that.

Glad to hear that, this is one thing that is killing me as I set up all of our season passes. I hate having to go back in to each one to change to what I would want as default settings..

I had my CC installed yesterday and everything went fine. So far I have only had to reboot the system once and that was before CC install. I hit the NEXT button while watching a live tv show and it froze the picture. I was still able to pull up my menus and attempt to change stations but it did nothing. Rebooted & everything seems fine now.

Overall for what little time I have played with the unit I am happy. There are a few things I am still trying to see what works best. For example, what is the best way to EXIT out of the menu or guide. I think the ZOOM button works the best but am still playing around.

I love the interface especially how it separates shows into categories. That is a really nice feature. I love how responsive the unit is especially in comparison to the HR20.

I have my Mate hooked up in the basement and have not really used it because of minimal recordings. The only problem I had with hooking up the unit is that the composite cable did not work. It worked fine when I hooked up component cable. The problem with this is that I only have 1 component cable input on my tv and this is where my 360 was hooked up. I emailed them and the responded that I needed to go in to the settings and set it for 480i. When I checked that prior to contacting them everything was set properly. Oh well, I will work around it, especially since the 360 is now down there for the kids. I bought the COD-MW2 LE for the livingroom.

I hooked up my external hard drive yesterday and it formatted it very quickly. Here is looking to fill the 2 TB of space that I have now. I set a ton of Christmas recordings since it is that time of year and the kids will love them.

I love the 3 tuner feature, it is really great to be able to record 3 shows at the same time.

So overall I am very happy with the purchase and would recommend it to anyone.

Problem is you can NOT get the 3 tuner box without paying for (and getting) the MoxiMate.

No longer seems to be true. Check the major internet seller.

No longer seems to be true. Check the major internet seller.

UUHH, not seeing the 3 tuner by itself. Care to share a link? Thanks

I think the one at Amazon is a two tuner model

I think the one at Amazon is a two tuner model.com

It is

My wife likes to turn off power to our electronic units when not in use. She switches off the power strips. I think this is a no no for the Moxi HD unit. However, will it hurt the Moxi Mate if I switch off the power to it when I am not using it.

My wife likes to turn off power to our electronic units when not in use. She switches off the power strips. I think this is a no no for the Moxi HD unit. However, will it hurt the Moxi Mate if I switch off the power to it when I am not using it.

Considering there's nothing constantly "active" in the Mate apart from the network connection I don't see why it would.

My wife likes to turn off power to our electronic units when not in use. She switches off the power strips. I think this is a no no for the Moxi HD unit. However, will it hurt the Moxi Mate if I switch off the power to it when I am not using it.

That would kill any scheduled recordings AND may cause issues with guide data download, or remote scheduling.

My wife likes to turn off power to our electronic units when not in use. She switches off the power strips. I think this is a no no for the Moxi HD unit. However, will it hurt the Moxi Mate if I switch off the power to it when I am not using it.
I don't know about the Mate, but Moxi support recommends that the DVR be left on.

The Moxi connects daily to download guide data and check for software updates, and many of these connections will occur late at night. This connection also uploads logs with any software errors, to help Moxi diagnose and fix any issues the customer might report.

As on TiVo, you can force a connection to manually check for new guide data and software updates since the last nightly connection. This is done on the Moxi under the Diagnostics > Service menu.

I found my answer. You can unplug the Moxi Mate without worrying about damaging it.

Me: I have another question. My wife
Rep : anything else we can help assist you with
Rep : ok...
Me: My wife likes to unplug things to save electricity.
Rep : aha
Me: I know the Moxi HD main unit should always remain plugged in.
Rep : there is no On/Off button for the Moxi, only way to turn it off is to unplug the power to the unit
Me: How about the Moxi Mates...
Rep : but then if you keep it unplugged you would not be able to record scheduled recording
Rep : or be able to see the Mate
Me: Right. I play to keep the Moxi Hd plugged in since it is a spinning harddrive.
Rep : so unfortunately you would need to have the Main Moxi HD DVR powered On at all times
Me: Would I damage the Moxi Mates in any way if I unplug when I do not use it?
Rep : not at all
Rep : Would that be it for tonight, sir?

The Mate is a dumb box, without something to send it content it only plays casual games. The only time I would leave it plugged in at night is when you know the Mate update is coming that way it will be ready to check out when you wake up.

The Moxi itself gets updates sent during the night more frequently (as I found out this week when an onscreen prompt appeared asking if I wanted to reboot) but the Mate has no need for frequent updates.

That dumb box really works well. I streamed HD content and it worked great! I am so happy with my purchase.

That dumb box really works well. I streamed HD content and it worked great! I am so happy with my purchase.

Can you stream over WiFi?

Im having a love/hate relationship with my Moxi. I like the interface.. its not especially intuitive but its not terrible either. It looks great tho.

I hate the SDV implementation. The first week I had the box, it was flawless. Someone said TWC did a firmware upgrade on the SDV adapters about 10 days ago and Ive had nothing but headaches since. It seems to lose my SDV channels constantly and the only way to get them back is to cold boot the Moxi and the SDV adapter.

Ive also been having issues with online scheduling... Im hoping that sorts itself out because at one point it worked fine. Now it keeps telling me it cant contact my device.

You only need to cold boot (unplug, plug power) on the SDV Adapter, then do a Moxi Program Update after SDV green light is solid.

Can you stream over WiFi?

I was able to stream Playon successfully from my computer to the Moxi HD using 802.11G

I think to stream HD from Moxi HD to Moxi Mate, they recommend a ethernet connection. However, several people have been able to do it with WIFI 802.11N

Some of the earlier purchasers complained about multiple bad boxes and unreliability (freeze-ups) of working boxes. Have these problems been resolved by now?

Anyone else have channel sync problems between the TWC Cisco SDV Adapter and the Moxi DVR? Happens every day or two to me. My system was fine for the first 3 days but now it is a constant problem. I have to hard boot the SDV Adapter then, reboot Moxi and refresh the channels on Moxi to fix it. A PITA!

Anyone else have channel sync problems between the TWC Cisco SDV Adapter and the Moxi DVR? Happens every day or two to me. My system was fine for the first 3 days but now it is a constant problem. I have to hard boot the SDV Adapter then, reboot Moxi and refresh the channels on Moxi to fix it. A PITA!

Im in the same boat as you. My TA was fine and then apparently TWC sent down some kind of firmware update and its been a nightmare ever since.

Im in the same boat as you. My TA was fine and then apparently TWC sent down some kind of firmware update and its been a nightmare ever since.

Word is TWC is working with Cisco on a firmware update for the SDV Adapter to fix this (will it take as long as Navigator fixes did?!). Or is this a way to encourage CableCard customers to go back to TWC DVR's and Set-Top boxes? If only we had a free market for TV and TV equipment. Maybe WiMax will shake things up, though TWC and Charter are in the Clearwire group with the hope of adding roaming cordless/cell phone. Cable Companies in WiMax...

I contacted Moxi about this because I don't think it's a purely Cisco issues in this case. They are looking into it.

Twice this week the Moxi has indicated an update is available (at 3 am) and rebooted. In both cases when the box comes back on - and even thought the TA indicates a successful reconnect - the SDV channels do not appear. Diagnostics indicate the TA is connected and communicating but I have to reboot everything a few times to get them back in synch.

The Cisco TA is a poor device as it is. You can tell how little effort they put into it just by the fact they couldn't be bothered to design a case for it and just threw the electronics into one of their low end cable boxes. The size difference between the Cisco and the Motorola is pretty embarrassing.

You should send the details to Moxi if you have had SDV issues the past week. If they need system logs, more of them would be better.

All. I put the Moxi Mate on a Kill A Watt. It is 10 watts while it is on.

Can you use the Moxi remote to turn on both a TV and a Receiver?

The instruction seems to indicate I can use the remote to turn on both the TV and Audio Receiver

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See the remote setup guide here: http://www.moxi.com/us/support/MC4R/MoxiHDDVR_remotecodes.pdf.

Thanks for the quick link.

I read through that already. I am just not sure if the Moxi remote control can be programed in such a way where you can both turn on the receiver and tv with the one single power button.

Ever since I placed my order for the 3 tuner +2 mates last week, I've been checking (almost hourly :D) on the order status. Still shows open with no tracking activity.

What's been other's experience on the time it took for the unit to arrive (standard shipping)?


tia

I ordered my 3 Tuner Moxi with 2 mates on Saturday (12/5) and my status is still at New. Just want it delivered by christmas so Im not too concerned yet...

One quick question... I know the Moxi doesn't do Tru-2Way for Pay-Per View but if I order over the phone with FiOs, will the paper view channel then be watchable?
-Evangelo2

Ever since I placed my order for the 3 tuner +2 mates last week, I've been checking (almost hourly :D) on the order status. Still shows open with no tracking activity.

What's been other's experience on the time it took for the unit to arrive (standard shipping)?


I ordered mine on Nov 20 (but late in the afternoon, so I don't think they processed it until the following Monday.) It shipped on the 23rd (quite prompt) but they didn't notify me and update the status online until the 24th, so just because you don't see info doesn't mean nothing is happening.

Alas, they ship from Raleigh so takes a long time to cross the country by ground, plus the holiday got in the way. It didn't get to Seattle (via Chicago) until Dec 2nd. I'd assume shipping time to Portland would be similar. I was surprised that the UPS guy just left the box on my front step without even ringing the bell, let alone getting a signature.

Speaking of my Moxi, I'm currently home waiting for the Comcast tech because there's one channel my Moxi won't show (MGMHD) but instead says I'm not authorized to view. It tunes fine, frequency and SNR are good, and authorization status shows as "Not subscribed - CCOnce" whatever that means. This sounds like a CableCARD issue to me (not a Moxi bug) but I still half-expect the Comcast tech to blame the DVR.

Alas, they ship from Raleigh so takes a long time to cross the country by ground

I wish I'd known that before I paid for 3 day shipping. It arrived in two anyway.

It took two days to process my order before shipping.

Help! Does anyone know if there is a setting to allow deletions from the Moxi Mate?

I have a two Moxi Mates setup and I can not delete shows from the main unit.

Ordered on the 4th, due here on the 11th. I expect to get it at 4pm on the 11th which is the normal route time for my area. Already have the cable card, now need to figure out the router hook up.

Help! Does anyone know if there is a setting to allow deletions from the Moxi Mate?

I have a two Moxi Mates setup and I can not delete shows from the main unit.

I haven't seen it but I guess it's intentional to stop secondary users deleting shows that other members of the household haven't watched.

I don't see why they couldn't add the feature to a future update with some kind of deletion lock for the Mates or an access code necessary when on secondary units but it might just be too much hassle to implement. If you can watch TV then you must be able to schedule recordings in the upcoming Mate update, so maybe deletion is part of that?

Why can't you delete them on the main box?

I was surprised that the UPS guy just left the box on my front step without even ringing the bell, let alone getting a signature.


UPS is welcome to just leave it at my doorstep. Does that mean I don't have to sign for it with standard shipping (even better). I've gotten to the point where if I'm expecting something from UPS that I have to sign for, I can count on adding an extra day and a half to get my package - at least one delivery attempt then a 20 minute drive to their warehouse to pick it up since no one's ever home when they come by.

I expected it wouldn't take too long. Just want the tracking more than anything. I'm a Verizon tech so I want to plan on checking out a cable card so it's ready on the day my moxi is delivered.

UPS is welcome to just leave it at my doorstep. Does that mean I don't have to sign for it with standard shipping (even better). I've gotten to the point where if I'm expecting something from UPS that I have to sign for, I can count on adding an extra day and a half to get my package - at least one delivery attempt then a 20 minute drive to their warehouse to pick it up since no one's ever home when they come by.

I expected it wouldn't take too long. Just want the tracking more than anything. I'm a Verizon tech so I want to plan on checking out a cable card so it's ready on the day my moxi is delivered.

I did UPS standard ground. I waited all day for the delivery to come. He gets here, I go to the door, he hands me the box & runs back to the truck. No signature given or asked for. I know that I read that a signature is required on the web site but I did not have to give one.

I think it depends on the city whether UPS waits for or requires a signature.

Here in El Paso they will usually leave the package hidden somewhere like behind a rock wall or on the back porch and then leave a notice on the front door (but not saying where they put it, just that they were there). They don't let anyone (at least residential) pickup from the warehouse.

Last December they were having a problem with thieves following the UPS trucks, looking to see if the boxes were some sort of electronics, and if they were, stealing them. So they temporarily required someone to at least open the door to receive the package.

My UPS guy has been showing up at around 7:30 PM lately. It's dark outside and he just leaves the box behind the porch column, rings the doorbell and leaves. I don't plan on ordering anything more this month like I did last year, so don't know if they will worry about thieves again and require someone to be home.

I haven't seen it but I guess it's intentional to stop secondary users deleting shows that other members of the household haven't watched.

I don't see why they couldn't add the feature to a future update with some kind of deletion lock for the Mates or an access code necessary when on secondary units but it might just be too much hassle to implement. If you can watch TV then you must be able to schedule recordings in the upcoming Mate update, so maybe deletion is part of that?

Why can't you delete them on the main box?


I have a lot of shows that I record. I like to clear space whenever I can so I do not overwrite the other the ones. If I cannot delete them on the Moxi Mate.. I have to turn on the Main TV and search for the ones to delete.

What's the story on the Moxi division being sold off? Any word on this or how it might impact users?

I've been considering Moxi as an alternative to Comcast's 160GB Moto DVR. With the Motorola 3412/3416 boxes, I dislike the remote which locks up every few days, hate the limited storage capacity and inability to offload or add new drives and I hate paying the 15/mo rental fee :(

So, I thought moxi would be my #1 choice until I read about it being sold.

Has the company issued any statements or sent letters out as to the stability of maintaining services?

ss9001

What's the story on the Moxi division being sold off? Any word on this or how it might impact users? Has the company issued any statements or sent letters out as to the stability of maintaining services

I think they're in a far better place and there is less to fear about bankruptcy or termination of services. Of course, you never know. Arris has stated that they'll continue to fully support the retail product line and have in fact brought out a product update since being acquired and some firmware updates are on the way.

Here are some tips from an experienced Moxi user:

MOXI
The MOXI key acts as a homing button. Depending on where you are in the menu, it will:

If in menu, in this order:
1. go to top menu (such as if in 2nd level Diagnostics, it goes back up to Settings)
2. go to currently watched program in Channels menu
3. go to fullscreen video (Live/Recorded/etc, whatever's currently playing).

If in fullscreen:
It zooms back to the Moxi Menu.

ZOOM
The ZOOM key simply zooms back and forth between the Moxi Menu and fullscreen. Very useful.

PLAY
While on a live TV or recorded program menu item, just hit the PLAY key to immediately begin playing it. One click and you're watching that program.

RECORD
While on a TV program or its menu (live or future), pressing RECORD will bring up the action menu with "record once" in focus. Pressing a second time will begin recording. Two quick clicks and you're recording.

STOP
If recording and currently in full screen, pressing STOP will bring up the confirmation note to stop the recording. Pressing a second time will stop recording. Two quick clicks and the recording is stopped.

CLEAR
While on a Recorded program menu, pressing CLEAR will bring up the confirmation to delete. Pressing a second time will delete the program. Two quick clicks and the recording is deleted.

SKIP
The SKIP key can be configured through the Settings menu to skip ahead 30 seconds, 3 mins, 5 mins or 15 mins. I find 3 mins most useful since that's roughly the commercial break time.

The MOXI LOGO key
This is the key near the top of the remote, to the left of LIVE TV.
Pressing once will go to the Recorded TV menu.
Pressing twice quickly will open up the Grid Guide.

TICKER
Pressing the TICKER remote key will immediately launch Ticker.

BACK
If in a menu that has an orange "Back" button, you can also press the BACK remote key from anywhere inside the menu to do the same thing - take you back in the navigation history (like pressing Back in a web browser).

CHANNEL UP/DOWN
While in any menu, pressing CH UP/CH DN will scroll by page instead of by item.

Inside Media Link
When navigating inside a Media Link server, the LEFT arrow key will take you up one level, while the RIGHT arrow key will take you inside one level. Pressing OK or INFO will give you an option to add that folder to the User Favorites menu. Once you get to a playable item, pressing PLAY will begin playing it (like Live/Recorded TV).

So Comcast got rid of analogs above basic channels in my area... does having an extra analog tuner do anything for me?

Not much, especially for $129. I got the analog dongle free with the original Moxi and until recently used it, mapped to VOD Ch. 1, to enable standard-def recording from Comcast's DTA.

Now I'm using the DTA as a tuner for a DVD recorder. Unless a user maps analog channels to Moxi's EPG data Moxi can only buffer but not record from the dongle. But why bother when digital versions are available? Moxi can only map a given channel's data once!

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Because Moxi apparently doesn't utilize PSIP designated virtual channel info it can't access Comcast's digital Extended Basic in my area without a CableCARD, making its unscrambled QAM channel mapping a much less useful feature.

Here in Bellingham Comcast made the Extended Basic digital cutover about 3 weeks ago. We don't have SDV. Now that things have apparently stabilized; here's how TiVo, Moxi, and the Sony hi-def DVR now operate when used without CableCARDS:

TiVo provides EPG data for Limited Basic analog Chs. 2 through 28 plus 75 and 78. All actual digital channels above Ch. 28 are scrambled and unavailable except for a handful, also viewable from a DTA, as a promoted freebie extra.

All formerly analog Extended Basic Chs. are now included in a totally new line-up of virtual Chs., viwable on HDTiVo with no EPG info. Hi-def simulcasts of OTA Chs. are available, using PSIP generated virtual OTA equivalent Ch. #'s with no EPG info.

Bottom line is that Comcast's Extended and Limited Basic Chs. remain watchable on HDTiVo, but only Limited Basic Chs. have EPG info.
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Moxi automatically maps all Comcast Limited Basic Chs., including OTA hi-def simulcasts, to their Comcast channel numbers without viewer involvement. Hi-def Chs. use Comcast's numbering system instead of PSIP OTA equivalents. (IOW, Ch. 5 hi-def is Ch. 105, not 5.1)

Moxi is totally oblivious to the new virtual Extended Basic channel numbers! IOW, Comcast's Extended Basic Chs. (except for the handful of unscrambled DTA promo channels) are not viewable from Moxi.
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Sony's hi-def DVR accesses the same Comcast line-up as TiVo. If a viewer invests the time and effort (almost) the entire Comcast Extended Basic Ch. line-up can be mapped to Sony's advanced (Ver. 8) TVGOS EPG.

A few minor mapping glitches, apparently related to subchannel groups, cause several channels not to be mappable at the same time as others but with apparently only 1 exception data is available for all channels. Sony's DVR is a single tuner recorder but aside from that significant limitation offers, at this time, in this area, the best and cheapest Comcast viewing experience with no CableCARD hassles or Additional Outlet Fees!
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/showthread.php?p=7650911#post7650911

Because Moxi apparently doesn't utilize PSIP designated virtual channel info it can't access Comcast's digital Extended Basic in my area without a CableCARD, making its unscrambled QAM channel mapping a much less useful feature.
Moxi is totally oblivious to the new virtual Extended Basic channel numbers! IOW, Comcast's Extended Basic Chs. (except for the handful of unscrambled DTA promo channels) are not viewable from Moxi.
Can you explain further? I thought Moxi allowed manual channel mapping through their web site? Can't you map QAM 82-9 to, say, CSPAN?

Moxi does provide manual mapping of unscrambled QAM channels. But it can only map channels it can receive.

A Moxi channel scan only provides Comcast's Limited Basic and hi-def OTA simulcast channels, plus the half dozen or so unscrambled promo channels that Comcast offers from a DTA. Comcast's actual Extended Basic channels are scrambled (CSPAN is available unscrambled as part of Limited Basic) but now there is a new line-up of unscrambled virtual Extended Basic QAM channels which Moxi can't receive.

TiVo does receive these virtual channels but can't map them. Sony's hi-def DVR can map them to guide data.

Moxi does provide manual mapping of unscrambled QAM channels. But it can only map channels it can receive.

A Moxi channel scan only provides Comcast's Limited Basic and hi-def OTA simulcast channels, plus the half dozen or so unscrambled promo channels that Comcast offers from a DTA. Comcast's actual Extended Basic channels are scrambled (CSPAN is available unscrambled as part of Limited Basic) but now there is a new line-up of unscrambled virtual Extended Basic QAM channels which Moxi can't receive. Thanks, now I understand what you are saying. You can map any unencrypted (clearqam) channel Moxi can receive, but for whatever reason, it isn't able to receive/tune some unencrypted (clearqam) channels that the TiVo and Sony can.

Is Moxi unable to tune ClearQAM channels above a certain number? Does it stop scanning at say, 115? Or does Moxi simply limit the number of ClearQAM channels that can be displayed, independent of frequency?

Moxi apparently, like most cable co. STB's, doesn't recognize virtual (PSIP generated) channel numbers. The number of channels (quantity) isn't a factor.

BTW, the new Comcast virtual channel line-up has lower channel numbers than Comcast's actual QAM channels. The numbers have nothing to do with analog, but fall within the old analog Extended Basic numbers between Chs. 30 and 70. Of course with subchannels the total number of programs is much higher than the number of channels.

Moxi apparently, like most cable co. STB's, doesn't recognize virtual (PSIP generated) channel numbers. The number of channels (quantity) isn't a factor.I don't understand why that would matter.

There's no such thing as a virtual channel number without a corresponding QAM frequency assignment. It shouldn't matter whether the Moxi can see 114-4 on the virtual (PSIP remapped) channel 16-1. It should still be able to tune that channel on 114-4 even it can't see or tune 16-1.

I would like to understand why Moxi can't do that.

I don't know why! What I do know is that Comcast's actual Extended Basic channels are scrambled while their virtual equivalents aren't.

I don't know why! What I do know is that Comcast's actual Extended Basic channels are scrambled while their virtual equivalents aren't.

I don't know about Comcast, but Cox simulcasts it's analog lineup, what's left of it. These analog channels are available via clear QAM, but the simulcast channels are not. The simulcast channels are encrypted and need an STB/CC to be viewed at least AFAIK.

bfdtv or other moxi owners:

In the comparison chart, the Moxi doesn't seem to have the option checked for "All SD and HD outputs active simultaneously".

Does this mean that when hdmi is in use, the composite outputs are dead?

To hold us over until the live streaming update for the mates, I was hoping to be able to use an rf modulator and a second run of coax to my tv w/ the mate. i have an ir/rf transmitter to be able to control the host to at least set recordings for virtual live tv on the mate.

anyone care to elaborate?

In the comparison chart, the Moxi doesn't seem to have the option checked for "All SD and HD outputs active simultaneously".

Does this mean that when hdmi is in use, the composite outputs are dead?With one Moxi DVR (and no extender), there is no way to simultaneously output HD to one TV and SD to a different TV/VCR/DVDR. That's the capability referred to in the table.

anyone care to elaborate?
The composite and s-video connections on the Moxi do not simultaneously output video when you are in fixed 720p or fixed 1080i output mode. The SD connections do simultaneously output video if you (a) set the Moxi to 480i fixed output mode, which downconverts all channels to 480i, or (b) set the Moxi to native output and tune to a 480i channel.

If you have a MoxiMate extender, you can certainly set that to output SD. You can set the Moxi to output all channels in HD while the MoxiMate extender outputs all channels in SD. LiveTV capability is coming to the extender in January.

I don't know why! What I do know is that Comcast's actual Extended Basic channels are scrambled while their virtual equivalents aren't.
Give me an actual channel example, because I have no idea what you're talking about. If they're all digital now after the migration, then they should either be unencrypted (clear) QAM on the actual channel, or not, regardless of virtual or actual numbers.

For example, here Discovery HD is on cable channel 844. I have no idea what the QAM channel is, but let's say it's 125-1. That channel is encrypted no matter what number you want to represent it as, because 125-1 is encrypted.

ABC HD is on cable channel 803, and the actual channel is something like 98-3 which gets a PSIP assignment from Comcast (in clear QAM) to 2-1. So when my TV tunes 2-1, it's unencrypted. Doesn't matter whether they assigned 2-1 as the virtual or left it with no virtual on actual channel 98-3, it's still unencrypted.

Our expanded basic SD channels are in the clear on QAM now, and all have QAM channel assignments in the 81 to 96 range (e.g. ESPN is something like 87-5). Even if they provide a PSIP mapping to channel 46 after the migration (the existing analog channel number), it's still in the clear on 87-5. My Myth box tunes actual QAM channels and doesn't care about PSIP, so it would tune 87-5.

Moxi does provide manual mapping of unscrambled QAM channels. But it can only map channels it can receive.

A Moxi channel scan only provides Comcast's Limited Basic and hi-def OTA simulcast channels, plus the half dozen or so unscrambled promo channels that Comcast offers from a DTA. Comcast's actual Extended Basic channels are scrambled (CSPAN is available unscrambled as part of Limited Basic) but now there is a new line-up of unscrambled virtual Extended Basic QAM channels which Moxi can't receive.


Seems very odd your Moxi is having difficulty tuning other unscrambled QAM channels your Sony HD DVR receives (virtual or not). I have both the Moxi and Sony and both receive the same 130+ clearqam channels, although I much prefer the Moxi's ability to map to the cable assigned channel numbers so I don't have to mess with the subchannel numbers.

Have you tried resetting and starting over with a new channel scan? Probably worth a call to Moxi tech support.

bfdtv or other moxi owners:

In the comparison chart, the Moxi doesn't seem to have the option checked for "All SD and HD outputs active simultaneously".

Does this mean that when hdmi is in use, the composite outputs are dead?

To hold us over until the live streaming update for the mates, I was hoping to be able to use an rf modulator and a second run of coax to my tv w/ the mate. i have an ir/rf transmitter to be able to control the host to at least set recordings for virtual live tv on the mate.

anyone care to elaborate?

Moxi's provides no signals from S-Video or composite outputs when receiving/recording a hi-def source unless its output is selected as 480i.

Moxi's output resolution must be manually selected (except that 'native' passes through the source resolution). The selected resolution must be confirmed as viewable. If it isn't, the output reverts to the previous setting after 30 secs.

If I get a 3-tuner Moxi with 2 Mates, can I watch 2 different recordings on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?

And when live cability comes to the Mates, will I be able to watch 2 different live shows on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?

If I get a 3-tuner Moxi with 2 Mates, can I watch 2 different recordings on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?

And when live cability comes to the Mates, will I be able to watch 2 different live shows on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?



Yes I think that is correct. You should be able to do it.

However, I am wondering if you can watch 3 recorded shows on a Moxi and the two Moxi Mates and record three live shows... That is a lot for one box to do....

However, I am wondering if you can watch 3 recorded shows on a Moxi and the two Moxi Mates and record three live shows... That is a lot for one box to do....

I've since found out that the box will do just that, but it's a lot of strain on the HDD. I wouldn't expect to have it working that hard, but I would expect there would be times when I'd record 3 while watching 2 (1 in the family room and another in 1 of the bedrooms). The Mate in our bedroom would generally only be used when the Moxi in the family room wasn't.

Give me an actual channel example, because I have no idea what you're talking about. If they're all digital now after the migration, then they should either be unencrypted (clear) QAM on the actual channel, or not, regardless of virtual or actual numbers.

For example, here Discovery HD is on cable channel 844. I have no idea what the QAM channel is, but let's say it's 125-1. That channel is encrypted no matter what number you want to represent it as, because 125-1 is encrypted....

Thanks for your skeptical post! I immediately switched the monitor from the PC to the S3 TiVo in this room, and checked the EPG channel list including all the new virtual channels in the 30 to 70 range.

As of now you're right!:o I have no explanation for what was true yesterday when all the virtual equivalents of the scrambled Extended Basic actual QAM channels were in the clear on S3 TiVo and the Sony DVR.:confused: I deleted all channels and rescanned the S3.:(

(To complicate matters my monitor decided this morning to pull a new trick and produced no audio from its HDMI inputs, a more immediate concern than clear QAM availability.:eek: After a short panic a hard reboot solved the HDMI audio problem!)

Again I don't know why things work or don't work.:confused: Later, when I've got time to check the Sony DVR's remap and verify that yesterday was a fluke, I'll confirm and edit or delete several posts.:o

It now appears that TiVo doesn't have an advantage over Moxi in being able to receive more unscrambled channels without a CableCARD. Indeed Moxi retains an advantage by providing EPG data for the unscrambled hi-def simulcasts of Limited Basic OTA channels although channel mapping is no longer as significant an advantage now that most QAM channels are scrambled.

If I get a 3-tuner Moxi with 2 Mates, can I watch 2 different recordings on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?Yes.

And when live cability comes to the Mates, will I be able to watch 2 different live shows on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?Yes.

Seems very odd your Moxi is having difficulty tuning other unscrambled QAM channels your Sony HD DVR receives (virtual or not). I have both the Moxi and Sony and both receive the same 130+ clearqam channels, although I much prefer the Moxi's ability to map to the cable assigned channel numbers so I don't have to mess with the subchannel numbers.

Have you tried resetting and starting over with a new channel scan? Probably worth a call to Moxi tech support.

I did rescan Moxi yesterday. It receives all the unscrambled QAM channels that a DTA receives plus the hi-def subchannels of OTA Extended Basic channels. It automatically assigns Comcast's numbering system for such OTA simulcasts.

But the Extended Basic channels that a DTA receives are now scrambled.

If I get a 3-tuner Moxi with 2 Mates, can I watch 2 different recordings on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?

And when live cability comes to the Mates, will I be able to watch 2 different live shows on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?

Watching a recording doesn't take up a tuner. You could be recording 2 or 3 different shows (Cable card/cable co permitting) and watching a different recorded show on the moxi and each mate.

When the live tv function is enabled on the mate(s) you can watch a live show on each box.

I did rescan Moxi yesterday. It receives all the unscrambled QAM channels; everything that a DTA receives plus the hi-def subchannels of OTA Extended Basic channels. It automatically assigns Comcast's numbering system for such OTA simulcasts.

Unfortunately most Extended Basic channels are scrambled here now.Just to be clear, when the Moxi sees 4-1 on ClearQAM, it remaps that channel to say, 204...without a CableCard?

Yes. Without a CableCARD Moxi designates Ch. 4.1 as Ch. 104.

If I get a 3-tuner Moxi with 2 Mates, can I watch 2 different recordings on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?

And when live cability comes to the Mates, will I be able to watch 2 different live shows on the Mates while watching something else on the Moxi?

On an engineering level, these things seem to be able to deal with 3 streams at a time (2 recording one playing back). So the first question... can you record 3 at a time and play back one (on the 3 tuner model)? If Yes, that means it can handle 4 streams.

Your question implies dealing with 3 streams... theoretically the answer SHOULD be yes.

I've since found out that the box will do just that, but it's a lot of strain on the HDD. I wouldn't expect to have it working that hard, but I would expect there would be times when I'd record 3 while watching 2 (1 in the family room and another in 1 of the bedrooms). The Mate in our bedroom would generally only be used when the Moxi in the family room wasn't.

On an engineering level, these things seem to be able to deal with 3 streams at a time (2 recording one playing back). So the first question... can you record 3 at a time and play back one (on the 3 tuner model)? If Yes, that means it can handle 4 streams.

Your question implies dealing with 3 streams... theoretically the answer SHOULD be yes.

R_G, I think you missed the earlier answer. With a 3-tuner Moxi and 2 Mates, you can indeed record 3 programs while watching 3 previous recordings. As I mentioned in the first quote, it may be a strain on the HDD. In all probability, it will probably reduce it's life if worked that hard consistently, but it can be done. This can even be done wireless using N bridges to an N network. I had been considering MoCA and Powerline, but bridges accomplish the same thing and I wouldn't have to worry about phasing or cabling.

On an engineering level, these things seem to be able to deal with 3 streams at a time (2 recording one playing back). So the first question... can you record 3 at a time and play back one (on the 3 tuner model)? If Yes, that means it can handle 4 streams.

Your question implies dealing with 3 streams... theoretically the answer SHOULD be yes.
For a point of reference, the Seagate HDD in the SDTV HDD recorder Philips 3575/3576, is designed to handle 10 simultaneous SD or HD streams, with appropriate cache. I'm sure the Moxi HDD can do the same or better?

For a point of reference, the Seagate HDD in the SDTV HDD recorder Philips 3575/3576, is designed to handle 10 simultaneous SD or HD streams, with appropriate cache. I'm sure the Moxi HDD can do the same or better?

I guess that begs the question, do external expansion HDDs hold up to similar performance?