i have in infocus in-26 projector and i believe a phillips up-convert dvd player i got from best buy

i can only run through a component to vga adapter because my projector does not have hdmi or dvi input, i am satisfied with how the picture looks, but during fast motion or panning sceens the image just gets too blury for my tastes,

I know its not the most high end setup at all but is there a dvd player that will give me better motion and clearer picture on moving scenes? (thourgh component cables)

I am looking at the oppo dv-970hd any advice is much appricieated, thanks

If you're looking for component upconversion, the 970 with the hacked firmware is about the most recent model you can get. I have one and feed a first gen Mits HDTV 1080i through a component to VGA transcoder.

It delivers a very sharp image, it's not motion adaptive and the non-beta firmware (not hacked to allow component upconversion) has a slight vertical "squeeze" issue.

I like this player alot and it's the primary player in the house.

Other players to consider, if you can find them that do component upconversion can be found in the sticky at the top. Other's that upconvert via component that I like and/or still have connected to displays in the house are the zenith 318 (DCDi) and the LG 418 (DCDi and firmware from LG-canada).

Best,
jeff

thanks, i dont necessiarly have to have the up-conversion (although it would be nice) because i know all displays have a scaler that scales the image to the native resolution anyways, but i am more concerned with motion quality now and being able to see the image more clearly during fast moving scenes over component cables.

what about the LG LDA-731 i read that it does up conversion over component as well?

again though my main concern is motion quality over up-conversion, i dont care how sharp the image is if i cant see it when it moves

So since you're unhappy with the philips, take note that it's mediatek based. So's the oppo 970, but they clearly perform differently in terms of de-interlacing/scaling performance. Since you're using the philips analog connections, I'm guessing you're passing 480i or 480p.

Eventhough the mediatek is not motion adaptive ala DCDi, passing 720p or 1080i (whichever is native to your projector) you'll see an improvement because the scan lines are smaller.

what're the native rates for your projector? Part of the issue could be the scaler in the projector. I've had to work around this in my mits and toshiba RPTV's. Instead of relying on movies for assess improvements, try the snell-wilcox moving concentric circle test patterns for assessment as a test bed with different input resolutions.

I don't know anything about the LDA731. If it can upconvert via component, and it's cheap, then it's work trying if you can find one.

You don't specify a budget, but if you can go $140-ish then the oppo 970, if you can find one, is also possibility.

Best,
jeff

native resolution is 1024 x 768 in 16:9 its 1024 x 576 it runs in 480p through component but also 576p if i switch the dvd player to pal after reviewing several scenes i think the 480p runs smoother but still too much blur for my tastes

if up-converting can help with this then i may consider looking at the hd-fury because my projector only has vga and hdmi wont convert to that without it, anyone have any experience with it?

Ok. so you're getting scaling with standard resolutions input. HD-Fury (2) might be the ticket. Output formats are: HDTV ready (480i/480p/576i/576p/720p/1080i/1080p48/50/60/72 compatible).

It might not be a silver bullet as what you get out of it depends on what goes in. Also it's $250 for the basic kit. Unless you feed the projector 768 or 576 it'll scale. I'd try and test feeding it 1080i or 720p via component, with the oppo 970, or component upconverter from LG or zenith (note that the oppo 970's seem to resell pretty well). If that works to your taste then you've got options.

My concern is that part of your dis-satisfaction with motion blur is the player. I noted that on the lg dn898 when feeding 480i, 480p via HDMI to a 720p HDMI display; 720p and 1080i were fine. It was the display scaling that was weak.

jeff

jeff

i hooked up my laptop and played watched a couple scenes last night. i noticed a couple things:

1. the colors were not as vivid as with the dvd player, but some adjusting could probably fix this, they did seem less washed out however

2. it runs in 1024 x 768 and looks maybe a little crisper

3. the vertical refresh is the same as the player at 59.9hz

4. horizontal refresh was much higher i believe the player runs at 29.9hz the laptop ran somewhere around 48hz i believe, the picture seems to have more clarity during moving scenes, not perfect but much better

the other thing i was thinking about was just getting a blu-ray blayer, i know they can play blu-rays up to 1080i through component, and though they may not up-convert dvds over component, i thought maybe they had superior hardware to begin with that can make the dvd's motion better? plus i could now play blu-ray discs but then if i am going to get a blu-ray for $300 i might as well just get a PS3 while i am at it :)

BR will only upconvert via component for non-copyprotected DVD's. So it'll be it or miss.

color wash-out is due to lack of calibration, ie. contrast, brightness, etc. need to be reset.

Your laptop test would indicate that it's the projector's internal scaler that's the issue. I'd wager that feeding 1080i would be nearly as good as 768, and definitely better than 480i/p.

If you're back to thinking about the HDFury, you might consider whether your philips pass BTB and WTW. the latest gen Philips HDMI upconverts clip, so you'd be sending a clipped signal. Only the pio 410 (and 48 elite) and the panny S54 appear to not clip. I don't know if you care or not, but thought I'd throw that out.

Best,
jeff

well i just found out xbox 360s have vga cables and up convet to 1080i/p over hdmi and VGA which my projector accepts, so i think i am going to just get one and the games will be an added plus!

Awesome. Post back when you've tested it out and let us know how you like it.

Don't forget to recalibrate to the new player.

jeff