"Terminator 2: Judgement Day" is being sold cheap everywhere I see it. I'm very tempted to buy it, but I hesitate because I've heard that the PQ is not very good with the current release. Seeing how prices are so cheap with this title, is it possible Lionsgate is planning a new and improved release? Has anyone heard about an upcoming re-release?

"Terminator 2: Judgement Day" is being sold cheap everywhere I see it. I'm very tempted to buy it, but I hesitate because I've heard that the PQ is not very good with the current release. Seeing how prices are so cheap with this title, is it possible Lionsgate is planning a new and improved release? Has anyone heard about an upcoming re-release?
I'm in the exact same boat.

Well, that, and I'm holding off until T1 is cheaper too.

If they are planning another release, I can almost guarantee it will coincide for the release of either the new Terminator film hitting theaters or DVD.

Considering that it was released on SD like 5 or 6 times, I'd say a double dip is almost guaranteed...

I'd buy it just because it's such an awesome movie!

for $10 at wal-mart i don't think you can really go wrong...

Considering that it was released on SD like 5 or 6 times, I'd say a double dip is almost guaranteed...

Exactly. Based on what was said in another thread from insider information, the next Lionsgate release already has a transfer selected for it.

Personally, I'm happy with the UK release and the current Lionsgate version to supplement it. I've bought this movie way too many times on home video.

Exactly. Based on what was said in another thread from insider information, the next Lionsgate release already has a transfer selected for it.
I'm not sure I get what you mean. Has an insider said something about Lionsgate got a new transfer for Terminator 2: Judgement Day? Can you link to the post in question?

there is no special audio for this blu-ray. where is the Dolby True HD...DTS-HD...PCM?
might as well just keep the reg dvd

It's ten bucks at WalMart and it's still the best version available. I see no reason to get it at that price while waiting for the inevitable and hopefully better done 2nd dip.

Isn't it the theatrical edition, though?

Isn't it the theatrical edition, though?

Yep, unfortunately, but it's just ten bucks.

I'm not sure I get what you mean. Has an insider said something about Lionsgate got a new transfer for Terminator 2: Judgement Day? Can you link to the post in question?
Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15307035&postcount=62)
It's ten bucks at WalMart and it's still the best version available.
This is worse HD version. The European ones are better in every way and the old WMV-HD version has argueably better PQ.

I've got the UK version and its the Special Edition and the picture qualtiy is pretty good. I believe its the best one you can buy.

The UK encode is the nicest looking version I've seen so far, but I won't buy it because it's the goddamn extended version only.

I'd rather have the theatrical version, and the US disc will suffice until Lionsgate release T2 again in the States. I'm certainly not paying £45 (about $65) for the Japanese edition, as good as it may be.

The UK HD DVD looks great and also has DTS-HD MA.

Link (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15307035&postcount=62)

This is worse HD version. The European ones are better in every way and the old WMV-HD version has argueably better PQ.

This one cost me $10, it's the best easily available, low cost version.

I just want a HIGH QUALITY encode of the theatrical cut with lossless sound. Is that so much to ask for? :(

Thankfully, I have my ultimate AND the extreme versions on dvd so I've got all my bases covered regarding content. Now I just need to get it all in HD. :p

I just want a HIGH QUALITY encode of the theatrical cut with lossless sound. Is that so much to ask for? :(

Thankfully, I have my ultimate AND the extreme versions on dvd so I've got all my bases covered regarding content. Now I just need to get it all in HD. :p

The French Studio Canal HD DVD has both versions of the film. The UK Studio Canal release only has the extended cut. I opted for the UK release because I have the Extreme DVD with the WMV-HD, which is the theatrical cut and still looks surprisingly good.

I have the Extreme DVD with the WMV-HD, which is the theatrical cut and still looks surprisingly good.
Do BD players play WMV-HD?

Do BD players play WMV-HD?

No, but my laptop does :D

Yep, unfortunately, but it's just ten bucks.
What's the point, though? The Director's Cut is better (well, IMO) and you know Lion's Gate will double dip.

The UK HD DVD looks great and also has DTS-HD MA.

What is HD DVD? I own a Blu-ray player... will it play on my Blu-ray player?

What is HD DVD? I own a Blu-ray player... will it play on my Blu-ray player?

Cute.

pq isn't the only reason to avoid the current Lionsgate release. it's also lacking the extended version footage as well as lossless audio.

i picked up the UK copy for this.

I would steer clear unless you really want it. They're so cheap because lionsgate spent no money putting them out, expect new versions in the next year or 2.

What is HD DVD? I own a Blu-ray player... will it play on my Blu-ray player?
I'm sure a 'smart' guy like you can figure it out...

pq isn't the only reason to avoid the current Lionsgate release. it's also lacking the extended version footage as well as lossless audio.

i picked up the UK copy for this.

It may have lossless DTS-HD Master Audio but you don't know where it's sourced from.
The US version is not lossless but it may be sourced from the master and the UK release though lossless may come from a bad copy of the master.

What's the point, though? The Director's Cut is better (well, IMO) and you know Lion's Gate will double dip.

For me, at ten bucks and better quality than my DVD, it was a no brainier. Is it the ultimate release? Of course not, but it's not horrible and it was ten bucks. I prefer the extended cut myself, and the DVD looks very good upconverted, but the Blu Ray still looks better, and I'd rather spend ten on a movie I like than spend it on lunch or something.

The French Studio Canal HD DVD has both versions of the film. The UK Studio Canal release only has the extended cut. I opted for the UK release because I have the Extreme DVD with the WMV-HD, which is the theatrical cut and still looks surprisingly good.

But they are all from the same piss poor master, this film needs a new expensive restoration and a brand new master struck.

What is HD DVD? I own a Blu-ray player... will it play on my Blu-ray player?Yes.






.....:rolleyes::D I kid, I kid..
NO.

What is HD DVD? I own a Blu-ray player... will it play on my Blu-ray player?

:confused:

comparison with the japanese edition (geneon entertainment, theatrical + SE):

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare/term2.htm

unfortunately the images are too crappy to notice a real difference, does anyone have the disc and can make better ones?

From the stills, I see the Theatrical version as being slightly sharper than the Extended version, both from the Japanese release.

Those dvdbeaver shots are terrible. When you click to expand them, it's not even the same image or frame in some cases.

comparison with the japanese edition (geneon entertainment, theatrical + SE):

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare/term2.htm

unfortunately the images are too crappy to notice a real difference, does anyone have the disc and can make better ones?

Looks like it has all the extras, both cuts of the film, and lossless audio. Unfortunately it costs 73 bucks to import it. That's way more than even the Ultimate HD-DVD version cost.

Still awaiting for my copy to arrive.

unlike aliens the t-2 directors cut blows, lots of added fluff that doesn't really contribute anything to the story.

The terminator smiling bit... please.

The theatrical cut is the director's cut. Its called the extended edition for a reason.

The theatrical cut is the director's cut. Its called the extended edition for a reason.

James Cameron endorses both versions.

unlike aliens the t-2 directors cut blows, lots of added fluff that doesn't really contribute anything to the story.

The terminator smiling bit... please.
"Fun Police, step out of the care!" ;)

It's $10 at Walmart. A double dip won't hurt your wallet much. I don't think the transfer is THAT bad but for such an iconic film they should have went all out. It's an upgrade from DVD.

With Terminator 2

Watch whatever version that give yourself the greatest entertainment.

come, i have fallen victim to buying this movie at least 6 different times with all the releases. $10 won't kill you and you know you're gonna buy the better one when that comes out. If people will double and triple dip for King Kong, you know you're gonna do it for this....

^Yeah, no doubt the re-mastered version is on the way.
Any bets?
I say before the end of the year....;)

If the studios involved can get their stuff together, I think we might see a remastered boxset of 1-3 in time for the video release of Terminator: Salvation.

If the studios involved can get their stuff together, I think we might see a remastered boxset of 1-3 in time for the video release of Terminator: Salvation.

I wouldn't expect a box set since each film is from a different studio.
T1=MGM
T2=Lionsgate
T3=Warner

That being said I do fully expect at least the first and probably second film to get a new release this year.

This so badly needs a new master, they all look the same now

The UK Blu-ray of T2 looks fine. It's missing extras though.

unlike aliens the t-2 directors cut blows, lots of added fluff that doesn't really contribute anything to the story.

The terminator smiling bit... please.
T2 Director's cut explains everything that didn't make sense in the theatrical cut, including him smiling in the original movie without the cut scene where he was trained. Another big fix was the added explanation of why the T1000 was unable to catch Sarah and John at the end of the movie.

I've passed on the theatrical cut on blu-ray for now, hopefully I won't have long to wait for the director's cut.

That being said I do fully expect at least the first and probably second film to get a new release this year.
And a re-release of T3, with a LOSSLESS track (that means YOU Warner!).;)

T2 Director's cut explains everything that didn't make sense in the theatrical cut, including him smiling in the original movie without the cut scene where he was trained.

Actually in the theatrical cut, he states that he can learn from humans, to become more human.

In the Extended edition, they changes a switch so he gets these functions.


Of course it doesnt make sense why he shouldnt have this switched on from the beginning.

Not to sound like a broken record, but the theatrical cut is more of a director's cut than the special edition. Here's what Cameron has to say about it on the audio commentary:

I still stand by the release version of the film. I don't think we needed that dream sequence. I think we made the right decisions editorially, and I think that the dream sequence and some of the other things that we put back in for the extended version are good to sort of show the creative process, but, you know, essentially, making a film is an analytical and reductive process. You throw away the things you don't need.

The UK Blu-ray of T2 looks fine. It's missing extras though.

Its the same print, the same softness the same damage just a better encode

comparison with the japanese edition (geneon entertainment, theatrical + SE):

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare/term2.htm

I can tell much difference in these screenshots either.
The Geneon is dual layered, MPEG4, 35mps vs. 23mps (approx. 50% more bitrate).:confused:


Still awaiting for my copy to arrive.
Waiting for your review...

Actually in the theatrical cut, he states that he can learn from humans, to become more human.

In the Extended edition, they changes a switch so he gets these functions.


Of course it doesnt make sense why he shouldnt have this switched on from the beginning.
They're set to read-only when they go on missions. Maybe they're afraid that a unit would go off the reservation, so to speak? Lame excuse but it's all I can come up with.

Actually in the theatrical cut, he states that he can learn from humans, to become more human.

In the Extended edition, they changes a switch so he gets these functions.


Of course it doesnt make sense why he shouldnt have this switched on from the beginning.

It makes sense if you pay attention to the dialog in the scene. From the Special Edition version:

John Connor: Can you learn stuff you haven't been programmed with so you could be... you know, more human? And not such a dork all the time?
The Terminator: My CPU is a neural net processor; a learning computer. But Skynet pre-sets the switch to read-only when we're sent out alone.
Sarah Connor: Doesn't want you doing too much thinking, huh?
The Terminator: No.

I like that scene a lot, it's one of the reasons I prefer the extended edition. While I know the theatrical release is the director's cut (unlike several of Cameron's other movies - I really love the director's cuts for both Aliens and The Abyss), I think the added scenes really help to tell a better story, even if the theatrical release probably does have better pacing.

Jeff Kleist of the The Digital Bits has made posts on other forums saying the Japanese Geneon release of Terminator 2 is the first release sourced from a new master. This master is almost definitely what Lionsgate will use for the inevitable double-dip (again from Jeff).

I have never actually seen the Lionsgate T2 BD, but I ordered the Geneon one and it looks pretty nice. Extremely soft, but I think that's inherent to the film. Those DVD Beaver screenshots don't show a huge difference between the Lionsgate and Geneon masters/transfers - most of the difference is actually in the encoding, with some noticeable blocking in the Lionsgate one. I'll certainly take a look at the eventual Lionsgate double-dip, but I'm not sure it can look much better than the Geneon release.

Extremely soft, but I think that's inherent to the film.

Speaking from the semi-educated perspective of being very familiar with most pre-BD releases of this film, but not having seen any of the BDs...

I will second your guesstimation. T2 has always looked on the soft side to me. When it was a newer film, I mentally chalked much of this up to it being a Super 35-derived pseudo-'Scope image (a relatively new method at the time). Since then, I've seen some significantly sharper results from the same approach. Not knowing what stock(s) T2 was shot on, I'm not sure how much of a factor this really was.

Since I'm a huge fan of this film, I bought it without really looking at the packaging and just finally got around to watching it last night. Realizing it did not have any lossless audio formats was a disappointment but nothing like realizing that it did not have the Director's edition. I'm also amazed that it had only a fraction of the "extras" that previous DVD versions have had. Though I thought the picture quality was pretty good, I really wish I had rented it instead of buying it. Serves me right for not checking the details on the package!

Jeff Kleist of the The Digital Bits has made posts on other forums saying the Japanese Geneon release of Terminator 2 is the first release sourced from a new master. This master is almost definitely what Lionsgate will use for the inevitable double-dip (again from Jeff).

I have never actually seen the Lionsgate T2 BD, but I ordered the Geneon one and it looks pretty nice. Extremely soft, but I think that's inherent to the film. Those DVD Beaver screenshots don't show a huge difference between the Lionsgate and Geneon masters/transfers - most of the difference is actually in the encoding, with some noticeable blocking in the Lionsgate one. I'll certainly take a look at the eventual Lionsgate double-dip, but I'm not sure it can look much better than the Geneon release.
"Extremely soft?"
Hmmm...I never thought of this film that way.

I was going to order the Geneon, maybe I'll wait now...:(

$10 at Wal-Mart had me sold -- of course (shame, shame) the only other format I owned it on was VHS... made double-dipping pretty easy. :)

I'll likely replace my Lionsgate version once the re-release hits the U.S. I think this is one of those movies that's always going to look soft. The current version definitely suffers from some compression artifacting/noise as mentioned. Looking at the screenshots, it seems the color rendition is a bit more natural and slightly richer on the new transfer. I'd really like to get this with a lossless audio track and extended version, as well.

"Extremely soft?"
Hmmm...I never thought of this film that way.

I was going to order the Geneon, maybe I'll wait now...:(

"Extremely soft" is a subjective term that will mean different things to different people. I did not say it to suggest in any way that the release is subpar - to my eyes, it looks how I expect T2 to always look.

comparison with the japanese edition (geneon entertainment, theatrical + SE):

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare/term2.htm

unfortunately the images are too crappy to notice a real difference, does anyone have the disc and can make better ones?

I wonder if the 3 minute longer Extreme Edition will ever come out?

I had postponed purchasing this BD as I knew it was not the special edition, and I figured they'd probably release an SE version around the time of the next movie, but at only ten bucks at walmart, well, I spend more than that at Mcdonalds sometimes. So I picked it up and just watched it with my fiance. We both definately noticed the difference. Neither of us had watched the theatrical version in ten years. And I'm sorry to say, but it seemed lacking. The relationship between John and the T101 and between Sarah and the 101 is not as well established. Not seeing the "smile" was a very noticeable absence. And I love Micheal Bein, and I really missed the dream sequence with him. I hope the SE Bluray comes soon. Also, we need the special features so I can toss the old dvd.

Mine is lost in post, damn! :(

I had postponed purchasing this BD as I knew it was not the special edition, and I figured they'd probably release an SE version around the time of the next movie, but at only ten bucks at walmart, well, I spend more than that at Mcdonalds sometimes. So I picked it up and just watched it with my fiance. We both definately noticed the difference. Neither of us had watched the theatrical version in ten years. And I'm sorry to say, but it seemed lacking. The relationship between John and the T101 and between Sarah and the 101 is not as well established. Not seeing the "smile" was a very noticeable absence. And I love Micheal Bein, and I really missed the dream sequence with him. I hope the SE Bluray comes soon. Also, we need the special features so I can toss the old dvd.

All good points on the extended version, but I do feel that the theatrical cut is better paced. I enjoy owning both versions on some format.

Greeting ,For this title I must pass cause toooo much dvd versions,bd versions.Lately I slept all the time when I see this film.Just my point of view.

I had postponed purchasing this BD as I knew it was not the special edition, and I figured they'd probably release an SE version around the time of the next movie, but at only ten bucks at walmart, well, I spend more than that at Mcdonalds sometimes. So I picked it up and just watched it with my fiance. We both definately noticed the difference. Neither of us had watched the theatrical version in ten years. And I'm sorry to say, but it seemed lacking. The relationship between John and the T101 and between Sarah and the 101 is not as well established. Not seeing the "smile" was a very noticeable absence. And I love Micheal Bein, and I really missed the dream sequence with him. I hope the SE Bluray comes soon. Also, we need the special features so I can toss the old dvd.

I agree totally. I love the extended edition, I'll be glad to have it on Blu with better PQ.

We need a T2 SE edition Bluray with an aluminum slip cover like my old ultimate edition DVD (or was it the Extreme edition, I can't remember). That is the greatest slip cover ever.

I picked this up the other from Walmart. I haven't seen this movie since I was a kid, so I was pretty excited.

I was pretty disappointed with the picture quality of most scenes, and the audio quality in all of them. I used the DTS track since I read that was the better one, but it was pretty underwhelming compared to modern action films like "Mr. & Mrs. Smith" & "Wanted" (which were still fresh in my mind for comparison).

I know much of that is due to the format in which it was filmed and the style of soundtrack they wanted, so I won't fault the transfer. There were certain scenes with closeups of people's faces which looked very sharp and high def, but the rest still looked like an upscaled DVD.

So any word if we will get a newer cleaner lossless audio version in with either the theatrical or BR release of T4?

We need a T2 SE edition Bluray with an aluminum slip cover like my old ultimate edition DVD (or was it the Extreme edition, I can't remember). That is the greatest slip cover ever.

I usually never care about cover art/slips/boxing, etc., however, that cover on the SE DVD was pretty cool and would be good to see again on a BD release.

"Terminator 2: Judgement Day" is being sold cheap everywhere I see it. I'm very tempted to buy it, but I hesitate because I've heard that the PQ is not very good with the current release. Seeing how prices are so cheap with this title, is it possible Lionsgate is planning a new and improved release? Has anyone heard about an upcoming re-release?

it's really bad
i got the euro import HD DVD version, definitely better

it's really bad
i got the euro import HD DVD version, definitely better

Barely. I remember the comparison pics. The Euro version still sucks. The film needs a complete restoration.

^ This

The print used for all versions is apalling, we need a bond style restoration

as some of you are aware, in Germany Kinowelt published a ultimate HD DVD of T2, containing a fair amount of bonus material and the special edition version

Kinowelt now has decided to publish also a blu-ray in may 2009. the bonus material shall even be improved compared to the HD DVD ultimate edition and ALL 3 versions of the movie will be on the disc

I would rather watch the SD SE version of this. The extra footage makes this already great film even greater. I'll wait for the SE Blu Ray. $10 saved is $10 more towards the SE Blu Ray imho.

Jeff

When The Terminator also Chirstain Bale is back again in this next 3 months,The new version of Judgement day will arise again,I am sure.

as some of you are aware, in Germany Kinowelt published a ultimate HD DVD of T2, containing a fair amount of bonus material and the special edition version

Kinowelt now has decided to publish also a blu-ray in may 2009. the bonus material shall even be improved compared to the HD DVD ultimate edition and ALL 3 versions of the movie will be on the disc

wasn't the pic quality worse than the French/UK HD DVD though (which while the best out there is still not perfect to say the least)?

also the French/UK version is the SE
(which i much prefer, although i do know some dislike the SE)

i have both, the French and the German, and to be quite honest - they look pretty much the same. Kinowelt in general often uses canal plus transfers and T2 is from canal plus in France.

wasn't the pic quality worse than the French/UK HD DVD though (which while the best out there is still not perfect to say the least)?

also the French/UK version is the SE
(which i much prefer, although i do know some dislike the SE)

The French contains both versions on two discs. But the theatrical cut has forced French subtitles :(. I didn't know this when I purchased the French disc... Since I have the UK version too, I can say that both, the French and UK version, are pretty much the same. The UK is only missing the theatrical cut, which on the other hand is quite useless on the French release because of the forced subs...

The French contains both versions on two discs. But the theatrical cut has forced French subtitles :(. I didn't know this when I purchased the French disc... Since I have the UK version too, I can say that both, the French and UK version, are pretty much the same. The UK is only missing the theatrical cut, which on the other hand is quite useless on the French release because of the forced subs...

You know you can shrink/move the forced subs to sit solely in the black bar, right?

wasn't the pic quality worse than the French/UK HD DVD though (which while the best out there is still not perfect to say the least)?

also the French/UK version is the SE
(which i much prefer, although i do know some dislike the SE)

It was taken from the same master as all the HD versions, the UK BRD is the best transfer of said master

You know you can shrink/move the forced subs to sit solely in the black bar, right?

Yes, I can, but it won't help, since the subs aren't in the black bars, but in the picture :rolleyes:.

Yes, I can, but it won't help, since the subs aren't in the black bars, but in the picture :rolleyes:.

If you're going to use the sarcastic "rolleyes" smilie, it would be nice if you could make sure you understand what's been said first.

Again, you can move the subtitles into the "black bars" under the picture. I believe it's the "C" button that moves them and the "D" button that adjusts the size of the subtitles.

You're welcome.

Again, you can move the subtitles into the "black bars" under the picture. I believe it's the "C" button that moves them and the "D" button that adjusts the size of the subtitles.


Really?
I never used the A, B, C & D buttons...
This is a great new!

$10 at Wal-Mart had me sold -- of course (shame, shame) the only other format I owned it on was VHS... made double-dipping pretty easy. :)

I triple dipped this movie...
I own the German HD-DVD (was $40 on amazon.de), the Japanese Blu-Ray ($70 shipped from yesasia) and the regular T2 Extreme Edition DVD...
The HD-DVD look and sound AWESOME but I haven't watch the Blu-Ray yet.
Here's a picture of the Japanese BD and German HD-DVD:

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4576/dsc01345xa8.jpg

I'm a huge fan of The Terminator, Terminator 2 and The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

If you're going to use the sarcastic "rolleyes" smilie, it would be nice if you could make sure you understand what's been said first.

Again, you can move the subtitles into the "black bars" under the picture. I believe it's the "C" button that moves them and the "D" button that adjusts the size of the subtitles.

You're welcome.

Sorry, I really got it wrong then - no offense intended. So thanks for the tip.

The C and D buttons do not work for me. I'm using PowerDVD 7.3 and couldn't find any other buttons for this either. What player are you referring to?

But apart from that, even if I could move the subtitles to the black bars, I'd still find them distracting.
EDIT: Moving down the picture, might be a solution then, but not a good one.

The C and D buttons do not work for me. I'm using PowerDVD 7.3 and couldn't find any other buttons for this either. What player are you referring to?

It may not be available in PowerDVD, but all standalone HD DVD players have A, B, C, and D commands (similar to the Red, Green, Yellow, and Blue commands on Blu-ray players).

But apart from that, even if I could move the subtitles to the black bars, I'd still find them distracting.
EDIT: Moving down the picture, might be a solution then, but not a good one.

If you happen to be using a projector, check to see whether it has any electronic blanking functions to mask the letterbox area. Failing that, you could always cover up that part of your TV with a piece of dark fabric or construction paper. :)

It may not be available in PowerDVD, but all standalone HD DVD players have A, B, C, and D commands (similar to the Red, Green, Yellow, and Blue commands on Blu-ray players).
So the C and D commands are something own to HD-DVD players. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I have the French blu-ray 2 disc set.

The Red, Green, Yellow and Blue buttons are greyed out in PowerDVD when I play the disc, and I don't think they are used for changing the subtitle position. So I don't think it's possible to move them to the black bars.

But thanks for your tips. I think I will be buying the upcoming German release with all 3 versions after all... (or wait for a possible rerelease from Lionsgate).

So the C and D commands are something own to HD-DVD players. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I have the French blu-ray 2 disc set.
Blu-ray players (at least standalone players) have A, B, C, and D buttons too. They're not always labeled that way though - see below.
The Red, Green, Yellow and Blue buttons are greyed out in PowerDVD when I play the disc, and I don't think they are used for changing the subtitle position. So I don't think it's possible to move them to the black bars.
The colored buttons are the A-D buttons, they're just not labeled as such. If they're greyed out, that's an issue with the software. Maybe there's an update or maybe the software just doesn't support those particular features - who knows?

The colored buttons are the A-D buttons, they're just not labeled as such. If they're greyed out, that's an issue with the software. Maybe there's an update or maybe the software just doesn't support those particular features - who knows?

Yes. The colored buttons are also labeled A-D on the remote of standalone blu-ray players. I didn't know that. But I still don't think that they can be used for changing the position of the subtitles. As far as I can say, they are used for controlling BD-J contents, and that's when they are enabled in PowerDVD. Has anybody with a standalone blu-ray player been able to move the subtitles with the colored buttons? Is this an undocumented feature? (I don't own a standalone player yet, but I "studied" several user manuals, and none of them stated this.)

as some of you are aware, in Germany Kinowelt published a ultimate HD DVD of T2, containing a fair amount of bonus material and the special edition version

Kinowelt now has decided to publish also a blu-ray in may 2009. the bonus material shall even be improved compared to the HD DVD ultimate edition and ALL 3 versions of the movie will be on the disc

Really? I'm interested to see how this compares to the new one LionsGate is planning for this year (check out the Van Ling section on HTF).

I have the Kinowelt HD DVD already but I plan on buying it on Blu-ray when a better version comes out. I really don't want to buy it two more times this year but each might have something the other doesn't. Ehh I hate being a collector sometimes.

Really?
Yes. See this (German) link: http://www.areadvd.de/news/2009/01/27/erste-terminator-2-blu-ray-disc-details/

"Alle interaktiven Modi der T2 HD DVD wurden nicht nur beibehalten, sondern verbessert und mit neuen Elementen erweitert. Darüber hinaus wird die T2 Blu-ray Disc im Gegensatz zur HD DVD alle drei Filmfassungen enthalten."
"alle drei Filmfassungen" = all three versions of the movie

I'm interested to see how this compares to the new one LionsGate is planning for this year (check out the Van Ling section on HTF).

Sorry, but what is the "Van Ling section on HTF" :o? I'm really interested in any news about a LionsGate rerelease of T2...:)

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/van-ling/

@Dave Mack
Thanks :).

So the C and D commands are something own to HD-DVD players. Maybe I didn't make myself clear, but I have the French blu-ray 2 disc set.

Chalk that up to a reading comprehension issue on my part. :)

I know that the Studio Canal HD DVD allows you to move the subtitle positions, but I'm not sure if they carried that feature over to the Blu-ray. It was an HDi feature and may be harder to program in Java.

Chalk that up to a reading comprehension issue on my part. :)
No problem. In my first post I also didn't state explicitly, that I'm owning the French blu-rays. Most likley because I didn't find it necessary, as it was posted in the blu-ray forum. But since there does exist an according HD-DVD, too, I think I better should've mentioned it. So sorry for the confusion caused.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/van-ling/
I'd write for T2:

"No extras. Restore the picture and sound using the best, most up-to-date equipment money can buy for the absolute maximum quality one can reach today."

:)

Sorry, but what is the "Van Ling section on HTF" :o? I'm really interested in any news about a LionsGate rerelease of T2...:)
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/van-ling/
Thanks, Mack!

I was in a rush to get out the door, so I typed it in short-hand.

The next LionsGate release is slated to have 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio and nice high-bitrate AVC video taken from the same master as previous, but with a thorough clean-up job.

That German one does sound promising, though...

Thanks, Mack!

I was in a rush to get out the door, so I typed it in short-hand.

The next LionsGate release is slated to have 5.1 DTS-HD Master Audio and nice high-bitrate AVC video taken from the same master as previous, but with a thorough clean-up job.

That German one does sound promising, though...



:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

In other words, bright and shiny images brought to you by Ted, our new Digital Noise Reduction Technician. ;)

i'd write for t2:

"no extras. Restore the picture and sound using the best, most up-to-date equipment money can buy for the absolute maximum quality one can reach today."

:)
+1

In other words, bright and shiny images brought to you by Ted, our new Digital Noise Reduction Technician. ;)I posted very vociferously in the Van Ling thread that they shouldn't apply EE or DNR. He acknowledged the post, but we'll see if it sinks in with the right people.

In other words, bright and shiny images brought to you by Ted, our new Digital Noise Reduction Technician. ;)
Well, Van's exact words were:
As for the T2 master, it's the same approved master we used on the first Blu-ray release, but with a lot of laborious dirt removal done to it and a much better encode (not MPEG2!).

So, it will still be full of edge enhancement.

So it sounds like the Japanese release will be best version of an old transfer which has EE and DNR filtering already baked in. Pass.

Somebody should ask Ving about including the original 5.1 mix. The remix that was done for the Ultimate Edition dvd has dialed down music score in at least one spot and that's always bugged me.

So it sounds like the Japanese release will be best version of an old transfer which has EE and DNR filtering already baked in. Pass.

Somebody should ask Ving about including the original 5.1 mix. The remix that was done for the Ultimate Edition dvd has dialed down music score in at least one spot and that's always bugged me.

How do we know the EE and DNR is baked in ?

If it is then 2011 is a long way off and a big wait for those who want it now.

So it sounds like the Japanese release will be best version of an old transfer which has EE and DNR filtering already baked in.

It does?! :confused: It doesn't sound that way to me. What part of (to paraphrase) 'same transfer but with substantial dirt removal' sounds inferior to you?

How do we know the EE and DNR is baked in ?
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Because every HD release (DVHS, wmvhd, HD-DVD, etc) has had the same qualities coming from the same transfer. Same soft and smoothened look with occasional EE ringing.

It does?! :confused: It doesn't sound that way to me. What part of (to paraphrase) 'same transfer but with substantial dirt removal' sounds inferior to you?

It doesn't sound inferior, it sounds disappointing. They keep on releasing the same tired transfer just with new tweaks.

Does anyone have a link to an article or something which details what exactly went into the latest transfer being used on all of these home video versions? I remember some kind of "restoration" article around 2002 or 2003 for the "Extreme" DVD.

I was reading this review here....

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Reviews/Reviews.asp?ID=3090

It says near the bottom of the review edge enhancement on the USA edition but not on the Australian edition...Ok now that's for DVD but if true then does it not suggest the EE is not completely baked into the transfer ?

It says...

Region 4 Ultimate Edition

This transfer appears softer, smoother and more film-like when compared to the Region 1 Ultimate Edition transfer. The softness of the image is because no EE has been applied to this transfer, so edges are smoother rather than in the Region 1 Ultimate Edition transfer. Fine detail, on close inspection, is identical between the two Ultimate Editions - the EE is artificially providing the impression of additional detail in the image. Grain is well controlled in this transfer, far more so than in the R1 Ultimate Edition, and motion is smoother. All-in-all, this is the easiest of the three transfers to watch.

Now they were watching on a large CRT Projection system so i'm inclined to think they can spot EE easily.

Because every HD release (DVHS, wmvhd, HD-DVD, etc) has had the same qualities coming from the same transfer. Same soft and smoothened look with occasional EE ringing.



It doesn't sound inferior, it sounds disappointing. They keep on releasing the same tired transfer just with new tweaks.

Exactly. I will continue to stick with my Studio Canal HD DVD until someone finally decides to go back to the original elements and produce a brand new master of this film.

Disappointing. At least it looks like we'll see Terminator 1 in a decent edition, hopefully without having to wait three years.

Disappointing. At least it looks like we'll see Terminator 1 in a decent edition, hopefully without having to wait three years.

We will? Where?!

We will? Where?!
Van Ling posted it just a while ago over at HTF (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3503007-post116.html). Apparently being done by Lowry.

Nice! Thanks.

I happen to think it's already in pretty good shape, considering... but this is still very welcome news.

Can't wait for 22 May when Terminator Salvation hits the theaters.The trailer,John Conor look great.I think C.Bale will be at the blockbuster films every years?

I have the WMVHD version and the Australian Studio Canal/Universal BD. The BD is VC1 with DTS-HD Master audio, the WMVHD has WMAPro audio.

Size wise the WMVHD is about 7G (3 files of 2G, one of about 1G) while the VC1 encoded BD is 21G I think.

Yet when I play them back (admitted resolution is compromised since I only have a 1366x768 RP JVC) it's hard to see too much difference between them PQ wise. Sound is better of course. I am playing the WMVHD on a Popcorn Hour and the BD on a PS3.

Looks like to get a quantum jump in quality they have to go back to the original elements and re-scan. Now give how much digital work was done, the original camera negative isn't going to cut it. Or perhaps the original camera negative plus the SFX shots.

Looks like to get a quantum jump in quality they have to go back to the original elements and re-scan. Now give how much digital work was done, the original camera negative isn't going to cut it. Or perhaps the original camera negative plus the SFX shots.

This point has been stressed heavily and it's quite ironic to see people making pointless comparisons and wasting time and money on procuring the best version.:( The studios have sucked the blood out of their customers by releasing so many editions. I hope they now have enough $$$ to do a Godfather.

I agree. T2 has come out in many many editions on LD, DVD,HD-DVD, and now Blu-ray. Do we really need another edition of the same average looking transfer? I'd trade 100 Extreme/Ultimate/Ultra Editions of T2 for just one of The Abyss.

I agree. T2 has come out in many many editions on LD, DVD,HD-DVD, and now Blu-ray. Do we really need another edition of the same average looking transfer? I'd trade 100 Extreme/Ultimate/Ultra Editions of T2 for just one of The Abyss.

I have 3 of them:mad: LD, DVD (Extreme Edition with the WMVHD version) and Bluray. I doubt if I will be buying any more no matter how good the transfer is.

I have the UK HD-DVD Version(Extended Cut), the German HD-DVD Version(Extended Cut), and the American Blu-ray Version(Theatrical Cut) of T2.

I have compared all three and the UK HD-DVD Version is the best one picture quality wise. The German version takes second place and the crappy Blu-ray takes third. I don't own the Japanese Blu-ray version, but I highly doubt it has better picture quality than the UK HD-DVD.

Bottom line: If you are looking for the best version of Terminator 2 available today, the UK(or French) HD-DVD is your best bet for now. I'm pretty satisfied with it! :)

The UK edition's audio on BD sounds awesome. I'm an audio guy so I'm glad I got the UK edition over the weak U.S. release.

I am getting puzzled here. I have the BD (Australian version) which I have no idea where it's sourced from. The video is so so as I have noted before, but the DTS-HD Master track is pretty good. I wonder how that compares with the US BD?

Bottom line: If you are looking for the best version of Terminator 2 available today, the UK(or French) HD-DVD is your best bet for now. I'm pretty satisfied with it! :) The UK/FR HD DVD has been reissued all over Europe as a Blu-ray for some time now. The UK, France, Spain etc StudioCanal BD releases have identical video to the HD DVD.

Rumor: New Terminator 2 Release Coming Soon?
Posted February 6, 2009 01:49 PM by Josh Dreuth

Retailers have been alerted to a new Blu-ray release of 'Terminator 2: Judgment Day' with no release date.

2 different versions are now up for pre-order on Amazon.

One of them is an import. I bet the other one is too.

They're probably going to re-release T1 (new and improved A/V transfer, I hope??) and finally release T2's Extended Edition (both with special features in order to capitalize on T4 being released to theaters).

If Halcyon (the new Terminator franchise owner) hasn't changed the studios that can release the Terminator home videos, I'd bet Lionsgate will release T2 with a new 7.1 DTS-MA mix, which would be uber cool!

One of them is an import. I bet the other one is too.

Neither was. They were now removed.

I guess I was looking at the wrong thing then. Because it said the release date was 12/16.

Can someone explain Terminator 1 to me, it's from MGM but Sony released it?
So if that one was re-done Fox would distribute it?

If Halcyon (the new Terminator franchise owner) hasn't changed the studios that can release the Terminator home videos, I'd bet Lionsgate will release T2 with a new 7.1 DTS-MA mix, which would be uber cool!

Van Ling has said that the same 5.1 EX mix which was done for the DVD will be used, but it'll probably be DTS-MA.

Can someone explain Terminator 1 to me, it's from MGM but Sony released it?
So if that one was re-done Fox would distribute it?

Sony owned the rights to MGM (actually, I think they flat out own MGM, but I could be wrong about that). Now the rights are owned by Fox, so yes, Fox would release the new version.

Sony owned the rights to MGM (actually, I think they flat out own MGM, but I could be wrong about that). Now the rights are owned by Fox, so yes, Fox would release the new version.

MGM has had severe financial problems for many years. A few years ago, Sony bought a stake in the company (~20%, IIRC). Part of the deal was that they would be the distributor for MGM's home video releases. They did that for a couple years, but MGM wasn't happy with the way they were handling the catalog. The MGM board voted to switch to Fox as distributor.

Fox doesn't decide what MGM titles to release (nor did Sony). MGM decides what to release, and Fox distributes it.

Looks like they are redoing the 1st one to-

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/3503007-post116.html

Van Ling has said that the same 5.1 EX mix which was done for the DVD will be used, but it'll probably be DTS-MA.

Is it possible that Lionsgate is using the stems for the 5.1 EX mix and re-doing them in 7.1?

That's how Mi Casa and other remixing houses have to create a 7.1 mix from scratch when the studio never created a 7.1 mix in the first place.

The more discrete the stems are that the studios release to the audio post houses the better the 7.1 mix will be like for "The Orphanage" or "3:10 To Yuma" or "The Ultimate Avengers." All pretty darn aggressive!

It seems like A LOT of Lionsgate's newer releases are now 7.1. Probably because they don't have a large catalog to begin with.