Hi everyone.

First i have an early HD RPTV that support only 480i / 480p and 1080i...
It's Pioneer SD-643HD5 it's a 64 inches TV.

Note that my ps3 is connected via Component (tv do not have HDMI / DVI)

For christmas i got Little Big planet but this game Support 720p! so my PS3 will downscale the game in 480p...

Before unpack the game i'm wondering how the game is gonna look in a 64 inches TV in 480p... i'm afraid that it will look like **** and burry as hell.

I dont know if i should exchange it for an another game that support 1080i.
But i must admit the game look fun.

Advice please!
Thanks

PS: Sorry for bad english!

Do you want a game because it supports a certain resolution or a game that is fun? Buy LBP and a modern TV and then there's no worries, right?

i think that game supports all 3 resolutions, so you should be fine

I have the box in front of me... HD video : 720p

And reading on some forum and it's not possible to play the game in 1080i. :mad:

I have an old HD RPTV also and I play LBP on 480p, it isn't as clear as 720 as you would expect but it isn't horrible. Graphics don't make this game, the game play does. If your worried that much about graphics then this game probably isn't for you. Whether or not it looks bad in 480p is an opinion...

Do you want a game because it supports a certain resolution or a game that is fun? Buy LBP and a modern TV and then there's no worries, right?

I'm all for the "buy a game because it's fun, not because of the graphics" argument. Personally, though, I haven't bought a Wii game in over 6 months, namely because I'm tired of playing games in SD.

A perfect example is the "williams collection" pinball game on the Wii. It has awesome tables and gameplay physics... but guess what game actually gets more play time? The crappy pinball FX game for the xbox 360 - it looks amazing but the tables aren't nearly as cool. I never thought I'd be a sucker for graphics over gameplay, and I can still appreciate solid gameplay... I just seem to spend more time with the prettier games.

As for the author of this post, you're in quite an unfortunate predicament. If you all will remember back, there was a period of time around 2001-2002 where the HD-area was pre-720p. Thus, all HD TVs were 1080i, but didn't even have 720p support. All of those early HD-adopters are stuck with having to use 1080i modes for all these great 720p games.

It's sad but true, it may be time to bite the bullet and get a new TV, because probably the next 3-4 years of games will render natively at 720p, until the next generation of consoles pushes the bar to 1080p -- at which point it will be definitely time for you to upgrade.

Do you want a game because it supports a certain resolution or a game that is fun? Buy LBP and a modern TV and then there's no worries, right?

You're telling him to upgrade to a $3000+ TV as your no worries solution to his problem playing LBP? =P

You're telling him to upgrade to a $3000+ TV as your no worries solution to his problem playing LBP? =P

Why does he need to get the $3000 set? There are tons of reasonably-priced HDTVs.

You're telling him to upgrade to a $3000+ TV as your no worries solution to his problem playing LBP? =P

1) That's the price you pay for being an early adopter, or not doing your research. I assume he's the former, as many were.
2) As said, there's plenty of reasonably priced options and sales out there. It does suck to upgrade if you were not planning on it thou.

We've been playing LBP at 480P on a 65" Mits (65813) and while it's noticeably not a 1080i game, it's quite playable and fun.

I'd go ahead and crack the package and give it a shot, you'll likely enjoy the game play enough that it'll be worth it despite the lesser graphics. It's not a game that depends on great graphics to be playable...

The PS3 not upscaling 720p games to 1080i is one of my few real complaints with the system...

I'm in the same boat, with a 3 year old HDTV that only supports 1080i, and while I HATE the 480p downscaling of 720p games, LBP still looks decent at 480p.

The whole "buy a new tv" response is a lot of b.s. in my book. Sony really should fix the problem with 720p downrezzing to 480p, since every other HD box I own can do this. XBOX 360 can upscale 720p games to 1080i, my TiVo can output that resolution, and just about anything else on the market that does HD natively renders images in 1080i.

Up until a couple of years ago when 1080p sets started to appear on the market, 1080i was just as prevalent as 720p. Why Sony won't simply mandate support for the resolution on all games is beyond me, since this issue affects about 70% of the PS3's library right now. You'd think they would want all games to look awesome on their system, not just for customers who have 720p capable sets.

If the downscaling issue really bothers you, keep bringing it up. The more that developers and Sony hear about it, the more likely it is to get fixed. Burnout added 1080i support after enough people mentioned it on forums and the playstation.blog, and Insomniac now supports 1080i in all of their games (Resistance 2 looks excellent).

I'm in the same boat, with a 3 year old HDTV that only supports 1080i, and while I HATE the 480p downscaling of 720p games, LBP still looks decent at 480p.

The whole "buy a new tv" response is a lot of b.s. in my book. Sony really should fix the problem with 720p downrezzing to 480p, since every other HD box I own can do this. XBOX 360 can upscale 720p games to 1080i, my TiVo can output that resolution, and just about anything else on the market that does HD natively renders images in 1080i.

Up until a couple of years ago when 1080p sets started to appear on the market, 1080i was just as prevalent as 720p. Why Sony won't simply mandate support for the resolution on all games is beyond me, since this issue affects about 70% of the PS3's library right now. You'd think they would want all games to look awesome on their system, not just for customers who have 720p capable sets.

If the downscaling issue really bothers you, keep bringing it up. The more that developers and Sony hear about it, the more likely it is to get fixed. Burnout added 1080i support after enough people mentioned it on forums and the playstation.blog, and Insomniac now supports 1080i in all of their games (Resistance 2 looks excellent).

The PS3 doesn't have a dedicated hardware scaler so Sony has no way of making all PS3 games capable of scaling to 1080i. It uses the Cell processor for DVD and PS1/2 game scaling but it can't do that with PS3 games because the system must assume every game is pushing the hardware to it's limits (ya know in case it actually is). It's purely dependent on the developer and some games simply can't afford to set aside processing power for 1080i scaling.

If the downscaling issue really bothers you, keep bringing it up. The more that developers and Sony hear about it, the more likely it is to get fixed.
Good point. It has affected the games I've bought as if it's 720p only I want to make sure it's a game we'll really enjoy. I went with the Y2K NBA & NHL choices over their EA alternatives since the EA Sports line refuses to support 1080i. No regrets in that decision.

Guess I should email EA and let them know they lost a couple sales there.

But LBP is a good enough game that it's still a lot of fun in 480p...

The PS3 doesn't have a dedicated hardware scaler so Sony has no way of making all PS3 games capable of scaling to 1080i.

Well they could. Just mandate to developers that all games must support 1080i or they won't allow it to be published.

The whole EA not supporting 1080i thing bothers me too, which is why I haven't picked up a EA Sports title for the PS3.

I agree that LBP is fine in 480p...kind of fuzzy, but still a fun enough game. Whenever they do a Q&A thread on the playstation blog, I ask about 1080i though. Considering the game was supposed to be a flagship title for last fall, it's sad that it can't display in HD for so many people.

Well they could. Just mandate to developers that all games must support 1080i or they won't allow it to be published.

That's not possible. The PS3 doesn't have a scaler like the 360 does so it has to render at a given resolution or it has to use extra processing power to do the scaling. Generally this means rendering 12% more horizontal lines of resolution and then scaling up from there. It's a lot of work on the developers part to make that possible while not taking a hit to performance or picture quality. Sony can't mandate something like that to be a requirement, especially just to cater to a small vocal minority. This has been discussed countless times before over the past two years. Do a search and you'll find this same conversation 10 times.

Even though there's not a hardware scaler in the PS3, there's obviously a toolset out there for implementing 1080i. Burnout added 1080i support with the first wave of downloadable content, without a hit to performance (and yeah, I realize that the performance issue vaires from title to title).

I agree that the issue has been discussed to death. You'd think that developers or Sony would listen and do something about it.

If the downscaling issue really bothers you, keep bringing it up. The more that developers and Sony hear about it, the more likely it is to get fixed. Burnout added 1080i support after enough people mentioned it on forums and the playstation.blog, and Insomniac now supports 1080i in all of their games (Resistance 2 looks excellent).

Actually Criterion said they added 1080i support to burnout, because Sony freed up some of the RAM in the Firmware update, thus leaving them with extra RAM "lying" around. In a game like LBP where it is pushing the cell pretty hard for the all the physics, I'm sure setting aside RAM for scaling was the last thing on their mind.

I will end with this. Sony should have had a hardware scaler from the beginning, but hopefully they will put one in future models.

You're telling him to upgrade to a $3000+ TV as your no worries solution to his problem playing LBP? =P

Or you can buy an HD set for under $200 new. Of course if you want to get a Pioneer Kuro then $3,000 might be around the right price..

I think it is awesome to see 50" Plasma's for under a grand at retail stores :D When the store I worked at first sold them it was a 27" Plasma, SD, crap PQ for $15,000.00

If the downscaling issue really bothers you, keep bringing it up. The more that developers and Sony hear about it, the more likely it is to get fixed. Burnout added 1080i support after enough people mentioned it on forums and the playstation.blog, and Insomniac now supports 1080i in all of their games (Resistance 2 looks excellent).

I agree but I see no point in bringing it up here. Does SCE read the AVS forums? Maybe, but highly unlikely. Voice your opinion on how they should add features over on the official Sony PS forums....here it is just going to be applauded by some and ridiculed by the rest. It's the internet you know...

Ah...you're ridiculed about it no matter where you post. :) So many people say "just buy a new tv," even on the Sony forums. I refuse to believe that I should have to replace a former top of the line HDTV (Mitsubishi 65815) that's only a few years old to play in HD.

Really, I don't know why people get annoyed when the downscaling issue is brought up in a forum. Voicing displeasure with this obvious flaw doesn't hurt anything, and even if it's not read by Sony, it's nice to have a "buyer beware" notice out there for people who are thinking about buying the game. 1080i support can be a make or break issue for some people, especially with multiplatform titles that you could get in higher resolution on another system (cough...EA Sports...cough).

In any case, I'm not trying to be a pest. This is really my only issue with the PS3, since I play it constantly and love just about every game I've picked up for it.

I had a Mitsu 55615 sold it for $500 a year ago - partially to go from 1080i to 1080p, partly because I wanted a set that didn't have overscan (use it for the HTPC too), but mostly because I wanted that big honkin' huge box out of my living room. ;) If it's possible to get $500 for the set he has, that makes his upgrade around $500 net for a decent plaz or LCD... not bad!

To get the same size display he has now he will have to go DLP at around $2500, or Plasma at $4000 plus. Sure he could go with a 50" LCD but he's giving up a bunch of square inches just because Sony didn't get it right.

True dat. You got me there. I went from 55" to 46", but the display is better... and my 55615 was no slouch. CRTs have a GREAT picture, it was just too big for my living room and I got tired of the overscan issue.

BB has a Mitsu 1080p 60" DLP right now for $1500. I've never considered BB to have the best available prices, either... but either way it won't be $2500 for a similar sized TV, if not exactly as big.

Ah...you're ridiculed about it no matter where you post. :) So many people say "just buy a new tv," even on the Sony forums. I refuse to believe that I should have to replace a former top of the line HDTV (Mitsubishi 65815) that's only a few years old to play in HD.

Really, I don't know why people get annoyed when the downscaling issue is brought up in a forum. Voicing displeasure with this obvious flaw doesn't hurt anything, and even if it's not read by Sony, it's nice to have a "buyer beware" notice out there for people who are thinking about buying the game. 1080i support can be a make or break issue for some people, especially with multiplatform titles that you could get in higher resolution on another system (cough...EA Sports...cough).

In any case, I'm not trying to be a pest. This is really my only issue with the PS3, since I play it constantly and love just about every game I've picked up for it.

I know personally I'm not bothered that people are upset over this. Hell I would be to, it's a real ******** issue. I'm just annoyed with people constantly saying "Sony needs to make 1080i support mandatory" like it was some simple thing. I feel for the guys with 480p/1080i only TVs but the last thing we need any hardware manufacturer doing is mandating how developers allocate system resources. I get that people are frustrated but there is no simple fix here. Sony screwed up big time by not including a hardware scaler in their machine but there really isn't a fix now so people need to stop demanding one.

To get the same size display he has now he will have to go DLP at around $2500, or Plasma at $4000 plus. Sure he could go with a 50" LCD but he's giving up a bunch of square inches just because Sony didn't get it right.

Lol when's the last time you priced TVs? My uncle just bought a beautiful 50" Sammy DLP for $1200 and if you shop around a good 50" plasma can be had for just north of $1000 (less if you don't mind 720p native resolution).

Sony didn't get it right and the person who bought the display didn't get it right if they bought one without certain features. It's nice to blame Sony for one's own mistakes I suppose.

Sony didn't get it right and the person who bought the display didn't get it right if they bought one without certain features. It's nice to blame Sony for one's own mistakes I suppose.

Yea that's not really a good philosophy on the subject either though since whether a TV accepts 720p or not should be a non-issue as every other HD capable consumer electronics device ever has had a hardware scaler. Considering most people bought these TVs before the PS3 came out you can't really say it's their fault for buying a TV that wouldn't play nice with the PS3s flaws.

Yea that's not really a good philosophy on the subject either though since whether a TV accepts 720p or not should be a non-issue as every other HD capable consumer electronics device ever has had a hardware scaler. Considering most people bought these TVs before the PS3 came out you can't really say it's their fault for buying a TV that wouldn't play nice with the PS3s flaws.

I personally don't blame Sony and MS for not including BNC connectors to play on some HDTV's either. Sure it sucks but it is what is it is and my friend is playing his 360 at 480i on his 65" Mitsubishi HDTV.

My first HDTV that I bought 9 years ago supported 480i,720, 1080i. Some they sold didn't but a little research and some good advice from salesmen led to an easy choice. Then there are those who bought 4:3 sets complaining of bars on WS DVD's..:eek:

Bottom line is you can do something to change eliminate the complaint or keep complaining.

Does SCE read the AVS forums? Maybe, but highly unlikely.

Actually I think you might be surprised. Almost every major company these days employs community monitors and AVS is a large forum where lots of money is spent by it's members.

They might not see every post but I could almost promise you it's on someone's watch list.

Why does he need to get the $3000 set? There are tons of reasonably-priced HDTVs.

True, I only noticed he had a 64" set in passing and was only thinking of what an LCD or Plasma would cost anywhere near that size. I suppose RPTVs are very economical considering that is the technology he already is familiar with. But still, even if he only pays $1k to upgrade to a compliant set, I wouldn't call that "no worries" considering the economy. =)

The economy could partially be helped by increased spending, so go help the economy! :)

The economy could partially be helped by increased spending, so go help the economy! :)

Good point! Someone buy this guy a TV =P

I personally don't blame Sony and MS for not including BNC connectors to play on some HDTV's either. Sure it sucks but it is what is it is and my friend is playing his 360 at 480i on his 65" Mitsubishi HDTV.


If his set is component with BNC you can find adapters very easily.

If his set is component with BNC you can find adapters very easily.

I've researched AVS and other forums.. Cheapest solution is $150 and even then the answer was "It may have issues still".

That brings up a good option.. How much does a receiver go for these days that will output signals to 1080p? That could be a solution for the OP. Or some other external scaling device?

I've researched AVS and other forums.. Cheapest solution is $150 and even then the answer was "It may have issues still".


Just out of curiosity, what input does he have? Is it RGBHV?

Just out of curiosity, what input does he have? Is it RGBHV?

From memory, I believe so. It's been a while since I've checked it out but the HV is what eliminated the idea of simple BNC to component adapters as a solution from what I read.

If you have a affordable solution (under $75) then I'm all ears, seriously! I'd love to get him going with something better than composite!

Ask the guy who sells the cables to make the PSOne look great on your HDMI TV. ;)

Most of the games are 720p. Well lost of them. If I were you I'd upgrade to an HDTV that supports at least 720p. Lots of choices and sizes under 1k if you do a little research.
Weekly I have friends over to play fifa 2009. We do competitions or 2 vs 2 (I have 4 controlers). So last night, we decided to go to my friends house but playing the X360 version on a tube TV 4:3, composite cables, well 480i. I was scracthing my eyes thinking I needed glasses. I was so glad when I got back home and you really realise, wow what a difference!

From memory, I believe so. It's been a while since I've checked it out but the HV is what eliminated the idea of simple BNC to component adapters as a solution from what I read.

If you have a affordable solution (under $75) then I'm all ears, seriously! I'd love to get him going with something better than composite!

For your friend: An X2VGA. It will transcode component to VGA which can then be plugged into your RGBHV inputs with a simple VGA->5BNC breakout cable. All in all it will cost about $70.

For the OP: I believe Onkyo makes receivers that will upscale a 720p signal to 1080i. Good thought on brianmonkey's part, that could be a relatively affordable solution.

Rather than upgrade my TV, I'll eventually just upgrade to a receiver that can handle video upconversion. If there's ever a super cheap solution for upconversion (that works well), I'd jump on that in a minute, but as it stands, I'll just hold out for something that is really a worthwhile workaround. Seriously, in the greater scheme of things, playing games in 1080i is not a HUGE priority in my life. It'd just be nice. :)

I'm definitely not in the market for a new TV. Even a cheap one. I love my big CRT, which still outperforms most of the cheaper HD sets on the market. Plus, 65" is a great for games. I'm spoiled, but I think it would stink playing a lot of the new HD games on a smaller set.

Rather than upgrade my TV, I'll eventually just upgrade to a receiver that can handle video upconversion. If there's ever a super cheap solution for upconversion (that works well), I'd jump on that in a minute, but as it stands, I'll just hold out for something that is really a worthwhile workaround. Seriously, in the greater scheme of things, playing games in 1080i is not a HUGE priority in my life. It'd just be nice. :)

I'm definitely not in the market for a new TV. Even a cheap one. I love my big CRT, which still outperforms most of the cheaper HD sets on the market. Plus, 65" is a great for games. I'm spoiled, but I think it would stink playing a lot of the new HD games on a smaller set.

It does... 32 inches for the time being :( Working on the jump to a projector by the end of year though, that's the way to go :D

Lol when's the last time you priced TVs? My uncle just bought a beautiful 50" Sammy DLP for $1200 and if you shop around a good 50" plasma can be had for just north of $1000 (less if you don't mind 720p native resolution).

Lol when was the last time that a 50" DLP is as big as a 64" CRT? And your Uncle got screwed, the Sammy 56" is easily had for $1000.

For the OP: I believe Onkyo makes receivers that will upscale a 720p signal to 1080i. Good thought on brianmonkey's part, that could be a relatively affordable solution.

The Onkyo 606 can be had for slightly over $300 and will do everything he needs it to including scale up to 1080i, not to mention decode all the new lossless codecs.

Lol when was the last time that a 50" DLP is as big as a 64" CRT? And your Uncle got screwed, the Sammy 56" is easily had for $1000.

I know you aren't replying to me, but I posted a 60" DLP 1080p for $1500 at BB, I'm sure it can be found for cheaper.

Lol when was the last time that a 50" DLP is as big as a 64" CRT? And your Uncle got screwed, the Sammy 56" is easily had for $1000.

Yes my uncle did get screwed, he didn't shop around either though. 50" for that cheap was just an example of how cheap these TVs have gotten. You're still WAY off with your $2500 statement.

From memory, I believe so. It's been a while since I've checked it out but the HV is what eliminated the idea of simple BNC to component adapters as a solution from what I read.

If you have a affordable solution (under $75) then I'm all ears, seriously! I'd love to get him going with something better than composite!

O I just thought of something better for your friend. Go on Monoprice and grab an HDFury (Green Edition) for $60. It's a little trascoder that does a phenomenal job transcoding HDMI to RGB while stripping HDCP, the green edition includes a 5BNC breakout cable to. Your friend could even upscale DVDs since he'd be outputting via HDMI.

Yes my uncle did get screwed, he didn't shop around either though. 50" for that cheap was just an example of how cheap these TVs have gotten. You're still WAY off with your $2500 statement.

Regardless, he shouldn't have to spend a penny to play games in 1080i, if the PS3 can render in 4D and cure cancer surely it can display 1080i:D I know another console that offers about a dozen different resolutions:)

Regardless, he shouldn't have to spend a penny to play games in 1080i, if the PS3 can render in 4D and cure cancer surely it can display 1080i:D I know another console that offers about a dozen different resolutions:)

Right but as we've covered we do not live in the perfect world where his system can upscale his games to his desired resolution. It's not a matter of system power or firmware updates or making developers do something they're not. It's simply that Sony felt it wasn't necessary to include a simple piece of hardware in their system and now a select group of people must suffer the consequence. We can all complain about it all day but ultimately there are three solutions: an upscaling receiver, a new TV, or a multi-thousand dollar video processor.