Been a while since I've posted here, but thought I'd give some details on my cheap bulb quest for the XV-Z3000.

Bought and Eiki 1600T (clone) a little over a year ago, and the bulb failed at around 1000hrs. Spent a couple of days looking at my options, and the cheapest solution was a "OEM-Replacement" bulb for 3 bills.

That's hard to justify with new DT-510s going for $599 new. So I ended up finding a thread on replacing the burner in the assembly with a "equivelent" burner from China. $85 later I have a replacement burner and am ready for the transplant. Removing the old bulb is a pain, but using some of my Wife's retired dental tools (she's a dental hygenist) worked magnificently for scraping away the white cement holding the burner in place. (Note: Make some measurements before removing so you can locate the new bulb correctly at the reflector focal point!).

Once that was out, I placed the new bulb in the assmebly and force some refactory cement into gaps I had created with the dental tools. I heated the cement with a heat gun (stuff final cures at 500F), and replaced the bulb assmebly into the housing.

Back up an running, everything appears to be running great! Couple of negatives so far:

1. Not as bright as the original. I'd say I've lost the equivelent of an Iris stop for brightness. ( High looks like Medium before)
2. Inspection of the replacement bulb alongside the original reveals that the replacment is not the same quality. Time will tell, but initial inspection favors the OEM significantly.

Overall I'm pretty happy. It didn't turn out to be a perfect solution. But then nothing ever is. Seems to be worth the price paid, barring any failures in the near future. If I make it to 500hrs, I'll consider this experiment a sucess.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably go with an OEM bulb if I could find one in the $300 range. (Anyone know where I can buy just the reflector/burner for this projector to save a little cash?)


Andy

Get the numbers off of the reflector then search using Google, you may be able to find the reflector/lamp only and put that into your existing cage. Search the PD 7130 owner's thread for Osram (a bulb mfg.) and there are some comments on how to find bulbs that can be mounted as an assembly into existing cages.

I found the one for my projector (Planar 7150) for as low as $199. Planar sells the bulb and cage for $499....

Thanks for the tip. I looked over my bulb, and can only find the following numbers:

On a metal plate that may or may not come with the bulb:
1. RLMPFA024WJ
2. SHP93

On the reflector itself (only number I can find):
7495


I'm coming up empty with searches for these. The first two numbers just lead back to the entire assembly as far as I can tell. Any ideas?

Thanks for the tip. I looked over my bulb, and can only find the following numbers:

On a metal plate that may or may not come with the bulb:
1. RLMPFA024WJ
2. SHP93

On the reflector itself (only number I can find):
7495


I'm coming up empty with searches for these. The first two numbers just lead back to the entire assembly as far as I can tell. Any ideas?

I found this;

It's 275W SHP 93 with housing part number RLMPFA024WJ

So apparently it is a 275 Watt bulb, can you determine who the manufacturer of the SHP 93 bulb is? Philips, Osram ect.

did you get this from ywh in diyaudio?

Victor

I haven't had any luck determining who makes the bulb. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate the information.

Yes, this is from Ywh.

The last couple of days, the bulb hasn't been firing correctly. Sometimes it will start right up, others I need to uplug to reset the sequence and it'll light on the second try. Makes me wonder if the voltage requirement is a little higher for arcing. Hope it's not going to damage my power supply....

most SHP lamps are DC I think, you got a DC one from YWH ?

his lamps are very low quality anyway...if you get a couple hundred hours out of them consider yourself lucky IMHO.

Yes, it is DC.

I would agree with the apparent quality of the bulb. Not sure how it translates to performance, but it has a couple of strikes against it so far.

Do you know of any other sources for these lamps?

your best option is getting an identical brand new reflector+lamp off ebay I think.

YWH also has some genuine SHP lamps from time to time.

I did some searches on the housing number again, this time using a dash as follows:
RLMPF-A024WJ

This returned some resellers linking this number to the Sharp XG-MB65X (an AN-XR20LP) lamp. However, this appears to be a UHP lamp.

Also, the Sharp XG-MB55X uses ANXR20LP (275W SHP).

Next search (UHP vs. SHP) returned an article which seems to imply that UHP and SHP are both high pressure mercury, with Philips being called UHP, and Pheonix labled SHP. See:

http://www.projectorlampsource.com/uhp_lamps.html

If this is the case, shouldn't I be able to use the AN-XR20LP lamp (same specs as the XV-Z3000)?

I'll do some more research, but if anyone has the answer, I'd appreciate it.

Update: It appears the UHP vs. SHP is just a branding. Doesn't matter, since the ANXR20LP is in fact a SHP lamp (and priced similar to a XV-Z3000 lamp).
Anyone think a UHP 220W DT-510 lamp will work? I'd bet that the lamp is the only change from the DT-500 and XV-3000. I'll see if the power supplies
are the same part number.

do you still have the original dead bulb ?
are the 2 electrodes in the burner the same shape ? if not it's DC, otherwise it's AC

most SHARP/DLP lamps are DC(like NSH lamps), and UHP is AC...it seems that the DC lamps colorimetry matches DLP where UHP matches LCD polarizers better.

either you cannibalize a genuine SHP with the same wattage from another lamp....or you find a SHP lamp with the same reflector shape.

if the reflector shape is identical and so is the wattage/current type then go ahead!

I've already used Infocus 132W UHP lamps on a Sanyo Z3....exactly the same reflector/type :)

manufacturers only have a bunch of different shapes, and I think Philips only has 2 UHP lamp types....one that does 100-135W, the other than does 145-200W

but find the cheapest price on jap comparing sites and ask pr*icejapan for a quote....might be easier :)

also, cleaning the inside of a reflector will KILL the light output, these things are not supposed to be cleaned in the first place!

I found a Hong Kong seller that handles a huge line of projector lamp/reflectors as well as complete assemblies carriage and all. They sell the complete assembly as being for the SHARP PROJECTOR LAMP AN-100LP DT-100 DT-500 XV-Z3000 so perhaps it would work if you could get the just the bulb/reflector.

However there would be no real savings in this case, they want $278 plus of course shipping.

You could try and email, tell them what you want see what the response is, they may know which bulb/reflector is interchangeable and might result in a significant savings.

Here is the link http://cgi.ebay.com/SHARP-PROJECTOR-LAMP-AN-100LP-DT-100-DT-500-XV-Z3000_W0QQitemZ200294230455QQihZ010QQcategoryZ15251QQtcZphot oQQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1713.m153.l1262

Richum: I'm going to look into this. I'm assuming that these are not OEM, so I'm concerned with quality. I'll ask and report back.


Leeperry: Yes, the electrodes are different sizes, so DC. I've never touched the reflector, just to be safe. I'll look into the jap sites and see what kind of quote I can get.

I'm leaning toward selling as-is on ebay and purchansing a new PJ. I'd probably be less out-of-pocket than just buying a new lamp assy.

Next time I'll have to do more bulb replacment research before purchasing!

Well, I struck out on both fronts as far as replacement bulbs go. The e-bay bulb is an aftermarket (could be equal quality to my china bulb, who knows?). The Japan source isn't going to work either.

I did find one online store with OEM bulbs shipped for ~$350. That's not too bad. But, I'm going to stick with the Chinese bulb for as long as it holds out. It seems to be firing more consistently, and I did a re-alignment in the reflector that helped brightness a little.

I'll update this thread when the the china bulb goes.

Well, I struck out on both fronts as far as replacement bulbs go. The e-bay bulb is an aftermarket (could be equal quality to my china bulb, who knows?). The Japan source isn't going to work either.

I did find one online store with OEM bulbs shipped for ~$350. That's not too bad. But, I'm going to stick with the Chinese bulb for as long as it holds out. It seems to be firing more consistently, and I did a re-alignment in the reflector that helped brightness a little.

I'll update this thread when the the china bulb goes.

Sorry to hear that, most of us are always interested in getting these bulb costs down and I for one sure hoped you would be successful.

Thanks for sharing with us.

I'm looking for a alternative bulb to Optoma HD65, I hope that we find a way to force the cost of originals bulbs goes down.

Peter

what about this place? $299 plus shipping for what appears to be a genuine sharp bulb.
http://electrified.com/Catalog/Items/?CampaignID=Froogle&ItemID=35706

Dam**it!!! Thats where I got mine from about 2 months ago and now it drops another $50. Oh well. My luck if I would have waited mine would have either blew out or they would have gone up in price. In any event I got mine at electrified and it is a genuine sharp lamp.

Electrified is first rate. I have purchased 2 lamps from them , one blew within the 60 day period and they replaced it without question. Great people to deal with.

Hey Guys,

Would anyone be interested in pooling resources and trying the XR10X bulb in the DT500/510 and XV-Z3000? There was a thread a while back with photos, and everything seems identical. I was going to try it but didn't want to spend $200 on something that may or may not work. If several of us got together and each put in $30-$50 then one of us can try it out. The xr10x bulb is $202 at electrified.

I never noticed the XR10X lamp before. Appears to be 275DC, most likely the exact same bulb as the Z-3000.

The one problem with the Electrified deals is that they are "equivalent" replacement bulbs (at least the ones we are discussing). I'm a little concerned about the quality (same brightness? Actually last 2000hrs?).

I'd be interested in pitching in for an XR10R test. I'd prefer an an OEM bulb be tested instead of an equivalent.

Anyone with an equivalent compare it to the original OEM? How did the performance stand up? How many hours on it? I wonder if they use the OEM components and just assemble in China (or elsewhere)?

Quick update on the Chinese bulb. Just today I had the projector on and went downstairs to do some work. When I came up, no picture. the bulb was off and the red lamp light on. I pulled the bulb and it didn't explode, but the area around the electrodes is a hazy white.

Looks like I made it approximately 100hrs with this experiment. At $85, that's a little under $1 per hour. I'm going to contact the Chinese supplier to see if there's anything he can do for me.

The one problem with the Electrified deals is that they are "equivalent" replacement bulbs (at least the ones we are discussing). I'm a little concerned about the quality (same brightness? Actually last 2000hrs?).

$299 for a genuine sharp bulb. Right now I see no advantage going with a OEM equivalent.

i bought a lamp from electrified about 2 months ago. first strike i burned it about five hours. not very bright. second strike and it was gone. it's clearly not a factory lamp although electrified strongly tried to convience me it was straight from sharp. i told the guy that it was not shipped in a sharp box, didnt have installation instructions nor the federal disposal requirements langauge.

they did refund my money.

I wonder if they sell diffrent grades of lamps...mine did come in a sharp box with all the correct paper work, granted it was $350, but it appears the same lamp now is $299. I should have tried that damn xr-10x bulb, prob would have worked no problem, and maybe just had a little but more light spillage, the only diffrence I could see in the 2 was the reflector coating, on the an100lp its shiny, on the xr-10x its more of a standard whiteish color.

Well I guess I should correct myself. After further review the Electrified site does say
OEM EQUIVALENT REPLACEMENT LAMP

dammit

I did not notice that earlier...I just went back and checked my order...mine did indeed say OEM Factory on it, here is the excerpt from my order page. So I guess that extra $50 wasn't in vain afterall if the $299 is a generic.

SHARP AN-100LP New

NEW - 1 IN STOCK - OEM FACTORY ORIGINAL R
1 $348.00 $348.00
Consumer Priority Service 2L3YR - 3 YEAR LAMP-BULB New
THIS EXTENDED WARRANTY IS FOR 3 YEARS OF LAMP REPL 1 $169.00 $169.00

Update on the Chinese Bulb:

Looks like the guy is going to replace the bulb. I have to send it back first, and have asked for a refund instead.

I think I'm just going to bite the bullet and order up and OEM Lamp. I've got the trusty AE100 running for now, so I'm not in a huge hurry. Hopefully I can find a deal somewhere to save some coin.

I should have tried that damn xr-10x bulb, prob would have worked no problem, and maybe just had a little but more light spillage, the only diffrence I could see in the 2 was the reflector coating, on the an100lp its shiny, on the xr-10x its more of a standard whiteish color.

I wish you had...or I wish I had the sense to buy it from you so I could try it. If my current lamp fails before I upgrade I'm definitely doing the xr10x lamp experiment.

The orginal bulb is a PHOENIX SHP93. There is a guy on ebay in hong kong selling 510 lamp only for a little less ($40) than you can buy the module elsewhere. I dont know if he is selling the PHOENIX SHP93 or some other comparable lamp. my bet it is that its a PHOENIX. I think i'll email him and ask directly.

OK, I found a US seller for the 510's lamp without cage at $216 each minimum order is 5.

PM if you want to go in on some and we will talk on the phone. phone only if your interested. and yes it is the SHP 93. :)

I also found a chinese seller for the original SHP 93 but i cant read a single thing on thier page except SHP 93

If it is in fact a SHP93, this is very good news. I'm confused, however, since the DT-510 is supposed to have a 220W bulb (does look to be SHP). The Z3000 bulb is supposed to be 275W SHP. Interesting if they are actually the exact same bulb. Does that mean the DT-510 is just running in econo-mode all the time?

Has anyone tried ordering from Theatrical Bulb Supply? They have the an100lp for cheap but they list it for the Sharp XGP10xu, so it may be a mistake.

Not a bad price for the an100lp at $275.

http://www.tbsbulbs.com/

That is a good price. They also have the bulb only for cheaper yet. However, this is also OEM equivalent product. No guarantee that the quality is up to OEM standards (how long will it last, how bright, etc.).


Anyone have real world experience with OEM equivalent besides civilsavage (who had a bad experience)?

Well, my bulb issue is solved! I just picked up a factory sealed Sharp DT-100 on the Bay for $305 (same AN100LP bulb)! That's a whole new projector for less than the price of the bulb!

Anyway, I'm moving the bulb to the Eiki 1600T, and if I get a replacement back from China, it's going in the DT-100 an back on the Bay. If I can get $200 out of it I'll end up with a new bulb for about $100.

Keep an eye on those old projectors, they may still be good for something!