So I purchased the HC1600 due to the phenomenal deals going on right now. I am upgrading from a 5 year old X1. Didn't worry about rainbow because my X had a 2x wheel also and they were not an issue. Love the picture on the 1600--very sharp and beautiful--but I can't blink without rainbows. Watched Deathrace on bluray, a rather dark movie, and about every 30 seconds I was seeing them. I was never sensitive before, saw them the first few days with the x1 but nothing that took away from the experience. They say roughly 5% of people see them, but everyone I have watch it (about six different people) all see them so I know it's not just me. It is so bad it actually takes away from what you are doing. Now we count rainbows. It's almost a game. Needless to say it is going back. I managed to snag one of the clearanced hd71's from CC. Hope it is better. I tried changing every setting imaginable (not new to projectors, fairly tech inclined) but nothing helps. Why would mitsubushi knowingly make such an unwatchable p.o.s.? Is it defective?

So what kind of deal did you get? That has the 2X wheel. The HC1500 has the 4X wheel. Less rainbows. $619 to your door.

So what kind of deal did you get? That has the 2X wheel. The HC1500 has the 4X wheel. Less rainbows. $619 to your door.Is that for a new 1500? That's a great deal, I paid $200 more than that in November.

To the OP...
I saw rainbows initially with my X1 but eventually I stopped seeing them.
Maybe the same will happen with your 1600.

I hoped they would. I've got about 14 hours on it and the problem seems to be worse.

"Why would mitsubushi knowingly make such an unwatchable p.o.s.?"

I have been wondering the same thing for a day and a half now

I just got mine yesterday. Yes, the RBE is very strong on the HC1600, and no doubt more prevalent than the old X1 - Holy cow, is it. I'm not sure what to do with this thing right now because there does not seem to any LCD deals out there, and I need a new projector now... ouch. I am now playing with the contrast to see if I can lesson it a bit. But, I' kind of want it out of here... What were those guys thinking - is right.

Glad I went with the 1500...

No RBE here ;)

Hearing all this, I think I'll leave the 1600 in the box and hang onto my HD1000U (as a spare) and just use the 2 bulbs with the HC1600 deal and then sell the proj itself cheap when one of the bulbs starts to dim.

Guess it will work out pretty good. I should be able to get $250 for my HC1600 w/1500 hrs on bulb on ebay. So then that would put me paying $200 per replacement bulb.

Also I still have my HC1500 (actually currently using). In fact I cranked the BC up to 10 on low lamp mode and really like the picture on Fallout3 (360). It really brought the punch out and saves 50% lamp life.

I'm anxious to hear from other AVS members who bought the 1600 and see if RBE is consistent with everyone.

:(

My brother has the HD1000U. He's got 300 hours on it. Everytime I go to his place, I can't watch it. Yes, it's 4x but I see rainbows all over. Chances are, if you see RBE constantly on 2x, you likely will on 4x even if it is reduced.

I don't think it has anything to do with seeing rainbows on 2 or 4x. The common thread here seems to be that people normally not having issues with color separation for some reason see it quite a bit on this particular model. We all understand how dlp works and a small percentage of people see it. But this thing seems to be extra heavy on the RBE.

Actually, I think the HC stands for "Holy crap that's a lot of rainbows"!! Each one should come with its own lepraucan. We all deserve a pot 'o gold for this headache.

My last proj was an Infocus 4805 with a 4x - No RBE at all. This 1600 is killing me.

HA HA you know it.
I'm running out of choices. Any good deals on a Pan 200u? I investigated the Sony machines, and it seems they are better in light controlled rooms. I don't have one of them.

Been using the HC1600 for 3 months now. Seen a few rainbows the first week, but now I never see them. None of my guests ever see them either.

The HC1600 is a lot brighter than the X1 - calibrate your brightness and contrast and you should see much fewer rainbows. Most people who buy the HC1500/HC1600 tend to run it too bright when they first get it. That's a great way to get rainbows.

I decided that with all the Rainbow reports and the rebate company going out of business and I cannot check my rebate status online, my 1600 is going back also. I'll stick with the 1500 and just buy a Lamp when the time comes.

Guess it's time to look towards 1080p. :D

The HC1600 is a lot brighter than the X1 - calibrate your brightness and contrast and you should see much fewer rainbows. Most people who buy the HC1500/HC1600 tend to run it too bright when they first get it. That's a great way to get rainbows.

As reconlabtech says brightness is a major contributing factor to rainbows.

The brighter the light source the faster your eye-brain processes the information - the more likely you are to seperate out the colors.

The HC1600 color wheel unlike the HC1500 has a yellow segment boosting brightness of midtones by upto 50% and probably a larger white(clear) segment than the HC1500, boosting brightness even more when Brilliant Color is used. Combined with a colorwheel refreshing the colors half as fast as the HC1500, it is bound to have alot more people seeing rainbows. It looks like it was designed to compete with ambient lighting in livingrooms rather than in a dedicated home cinema room.

If you keep the projector try turning the lamp to low mode and Brilliant Color down - off, then calibrating brightness and contrast using THX on any THX certified film this may help a little.

The easiest way to reduce brightness - rainbows with out lowering contrast is to use a ND2 filter (halfs brightness, perceived as 20% drop due to eye-brain compensating.)

Lamps dim with age, which maybe one of the reasons people say they get used to - nolonger see rainbows.

By the time you reduce the brightness enough to reduce the RBE in a meaningful way, the picture will be even crappier.

Again, even on its brightest setting, this PJ is not brighter than other PJ that report their lumen in calibrated value.
Without "Brilliant Color", the HC1600 can barely push 500 lumen in high power mode and 400 lumen in low power mode.

Even if you could manage to reduce the RBE by 50%, it will still be crappy to those sensitive to it.

All that said, one thing you can do to reduce the RBE is to reduce your projected screen size (50" or below).

I say, save your money and buy a good 480p PJ if you don't want to spend more on something with a higher res.

By the time you reduce the brightness enough to reduce the RBE in a meaningful way, the picture will be even crappier.

Again, even on its brightest setting, this PJ is not brighter than other PJ that report their lumen in calibrated value.
Without "Brilliant Color", the HC1600 can barely push 500 lumen in high power mode and 400 lumen in low power mode.

Even if you could manage to reduce the RBE by 50%, it will still be crappy to those sensitive to it.

All that said, one thing you can do to reduce the RBE is to reduce your projected screen size (50" or below).

I say, save your money and buy a good 480p PJ if you don't want to spend more on something with a higher res.


Properly calibrated, most Home Theater PJs push somewhere between 300 and 600 lumens so I'm not sure why you think 400 or 500 is bad.

The HD1000, HC1500, and HC1600 all produce a very nice image. For those who are very sensitive to RBE, your only recourse is a non-dlp PJ.

Properly calibrated, most Home Theater PJs push somewhere between 300 and 600 lumens so I'm not sure why you think 400 or 500 is bad.

The HD1000, HC1500, and HC1600 all produce a very nice image. For those who are very sensitive to RBE, your only recourse is a non-dlp PJ.

Sounds like he has been reading the projector specs, which are BS. Need to read the actual reviews.

By the time you reduce the brightness enough to reduce the RBE in a meaningful way, the picture will be even crappier.

Again, even on its brightest setting, this PJ is not brighter than other PJ that report their lumen in calibrated value.
Without "Brilliant Color", the HC1600 can barely push 500 lumen in high power mode and 400 lumen in low power mode.

Even if you could manage to reduce the RBE by 50%, it will still be crappy to those sensitive to it.

All that said, one thing you can do to reduce the RBE is to reduce your projected screen size (50" or below).

I say, save your money and buy a good 480p PJ if you don't want to spend more on something with a higher res.

How bright do you want it to go in a dedicated home cinema room, when calibrated with low lamp mode, no brilliant color?

500 Lumens is enough to produce 13.9ft lamberts on a 8ft by 4.5ft screen, and 400 Lumens will give you 11.1ft lamberts. For dark room viewing around 12ft lamberts is generally recommended.

By the way did you get those figures from the projectorcentral review. I own a projector they have reviewed and would rely on their figures even less than the manufactures. Personally I would take the manufactures "best case" uncalibrated color, brilliant color 10, high lamp mode and half it for aproximate calibrated, no brilliant color, low lamp mode. Which gives around 850 Lumens. This would give 23.6ft lamberts on a 8ft x 4.5ft screen, just over the maximum recommended 20ft lamberts for darkroom viewing. This is bright and likely to cause RBE with a 2xspeed color wheel. A ND2 filter would tame this to 11.8ft lamberts.

The manufacture claims 1700 Lumens (high lamp mode with brilliant color at 10) which on a 8ft x 4.5ft screen would be 47ft lamberts, which is brighter than a typical crt tv (around 35ft lamberts).

Reducing screen size will make RBE worse not better as it will increase brightness.

Anyone actually get the rebate on this thing yet?

Anybody have recommended settings? Those who are not experiencing the RBE as much as others??

Perhaps as well as being brighter than the 2xcolor wheel speed Infocus X1 another reason for increased RBE is the colorwheel segments. It is not just the number of times the colors refresh but also how long they linger on screen that matters, in other words how big the segments are (wheel time). According to cine4home.de a colorwheel with a large red segment reduces rainbow effect and a colorwheel with a ND green segment increases rainbow effect in comparison to RGB colorwheels of the same speed. Perhaps the inclusion of a yellow segment in addition to a white segment has reduced the size - wheel time of the RGB segments, or the small size of the yellow segment adding brightness to red and green mixes or the use of more saturated darker red and green segments contributes to increased RBE.

Properly calibrated, most Home Theater PJs push somewhere between 300 and 600 lumens so I'm not sure why you think 400 or 500 is bad.

The HD1000, HC1500, and HC1600 all produce a very nice image. For those who are very sensitive to RBE, your only recourse is a non-dlp PJ.

You guys are missing my point.
I am not saying the brightness sucks, but I am saying it is not all it was bragged to be.
The 1300 lumen rating is bogus (i.e., more bogus than other PJ).

My IN72 is rated at 900 lumen but pulls a good 650, which by the way trumps the HC1600.
So yeah, 500 lumen is decent, and I think I get close to that running my IN72 in low power mode (maybe a tad lower).
However, at this range there is not much to talk about as far as reducing brightness to minimize RBE.

Again, my IN72 with 2500+ hours is just as bright as the HC1600 freshly setup.

Sounds like he has been reading the projector specs, which are BS. Need to read the actual reviews.

You make no sense.
What spec gets close to the numbers I am reporting? :confused:

I think we are missing the point. I have decreased the brightness to nearly unwatchable levels. I adjusted the settings to what was recommended (calibrated) on projectorreviews.com. I unmounted the projector and tried to make a smaller image. I have tried virtually everything I can think of and nothing changes the rainbow. The common occurance here is that several posts have been made from people with normally no dlp sensitivity having a hard time watching this projector. Bottom line is that the design of this unit is poor for whatever reason.

I think we are missing the point. I have decreased the brightness to nearly unwatchable levels. I adjusted the settings to what was recommended (calibrated) on projectorreviews.com. I unmounted the projector and tried to make a smaller image. I have tried virtually everything I can think of and nothing changes the rainbow. The common occurance here is that several posts have been made from people with normally no dlp sensitivity having a hard time watching this projector. Bottom line is that the design of this unit is poor for whatever reason.

Be sure to document your experience in the HC1600 thread. Sorry it's not working out. Hopefully, you can get setup with a PJ that will work for you.

You are seeing rainbows because of the overall lumens with a
new bulb in a new PJ.Same thing happened to me on each new dlp
projector I have had and regardless of the overall initial specs on
lumens the rainbow effect went away once the bulb aged after about
150 hours which I believe is the time any PJ bulb loses a good chunk
of it's lumens.You do know that your brightness control actually has
nothing to do with brightness and everything to do with black levels,
right?

So what kind of deal did you get? That has the 2X wheel. The HC1500 has the 4X wheel. Less rainbows. $619 to your door.

Alright dude, you've been trumpeting this deal in every thread. Where is this from? I have an hc1500 myself, but you've got me curious. I searched and couldn't find it anywhere.

just bought the hc-1600 from 6ave, 733 - 100 mir and free bulb

ive been reviewing this thread and others, waiting for my shipment to arrive. due to the number of new posters talking about RBE, i started to get worried about my purchase. took a look at 6ave.com's return policy. isn't pretty.

get the projector today. immediately hook it up to directv and plug it in to project on the wall.

out of the box, great picture, i see no rainbows, i really couldnt be happier with it.

to all those who are contemplating this deal, do not be shied away by the few posters who are susceptible to rbe. i've never seen rbe before and am not experiencing it with this unit. remember that the majority of people who post on a form are those who have problems. why post if everything is okey dokey? :)


edit: just want to clarify further that i think the complaints listed here are valid, but that there are others, such as myself, who have good experiences with the projector.

just bought the hc-1600 from 6ave, 733 - 100 mir and free bulb

ive been reviewing this thread and others, waiting for my shipment to arrive. due to the number of new posters talking about RBE, i started to get worried about my purchase. took a look at 6ave.com's return policy. isn't pretty.

get the projector today. immediately hook it up to directv and plug it into the wall.

out of the box, great picture, i see no rainbows, i really couldnt be happier with it.

to all those who are contemplating this deal, do not be shied away by the few posters who are susceptible to rbe. i've never seen rbe before and am not experiencing it with this unit. remember that the majority of people who post on a form are those who have problems. why post if everything is okey dokey? :)

I did indeed see a few Rainbows with my first projector which was an X1 (2x color wheel). However, I've not seen any with my HD1000U or my HC1500 so mine went back today with the UPS guy. Glad yours is working out, I just won't be happy with even a few rainbows after the HC1500 and it's outstanding output.

I'm sure there is good portion of the population that doesn't see rainbows and I don't doubt that for a second. I'm glad it's working out great for some people as I really do love the pic quality of this projector. Would've been an awesome projector for me. It just kinda sucks that Mitsubishi chose to skimp on the 2x color wheel to boost the lumens. I never had rainbow issues with my previous or other dlp projectors that I have viewed. They cut out part of their target audience when they cut corners. Sent mine back today. Bring on the HD71. Hope it works better for me. (Great deal. Couldn't pass. Hoping it's as good as the HD65!)

just bought the hc-1600 from 6ave, 733 - 100 mir and free bulb

ive been reviewing this thread and others, waiting for my shipment to arrive. due to the number of new posters talking about RBE, i started to get worried about my purchase. took a look at 6ave.com's return policy. isn't pretty.

get the projector today. immediately hook it up to directv and plug it into the wall.

out of the box, great picture, i see no rainbows, i really couldnt be happier with it.

to all those who are contemplating this deal, do not be shied away by the few posters who are susceptible to rbe. i've never seen rbe before and am not experiencing it with this unit. remember that the majority of people who post on a form are those who have problems. why post if everything is okey dokey? :)

Glad to see one positive post for a change.I will be getting mine on Thursday & was getting a little worried.My other worry is the picture being too low & possibly on the floor.Keeping my fingers crossed.

i see not a single RBE at all. none. i even look for them very closely.

i think its more a case of a person either sees it or doesnt. if you see it, you probably will on any priojector like this.

im happy with mine, couldnt be happier really.

I'm sure there is good portion of the population that doesn't see rainbows and I don't doubt that for a second. I'm glad it's working out great for some people as I really do love the pic quality of this projector. Would've been an awesome projector for me. It just kinda sucks that Mitsubishi chose to skimp on the 2x color wheel to boost the lumens. I never had rainbow issues with my previous or other dlp projectors that I have viewed. They cut out part of their target audience when they cut corners. Sent mine back today. Bring on the HD71. Hope it works better for me. (Great deal. Couldn't pass. Hoping it's as good as the HD65!)

What you went through was pretty bad! I wonder why Mitsu went back to the x2 wheel - doesn't make sense to take a step back.

I'm sure you'll love the HD71 - you won't have any shortage of lumens there! You'll have to post on whether RBE reared its head with that PJ as well.

I'm glad that I wasn't ever bothered with RBE on my old x2 speed DLP, and I'm pretty sure most folks wouldn't see it on my new x6 speed machine!

I also pondered the hc1600, but when I found out that they went to a 2x wheel ,I bagged it! Researched a little (3 months) and settled on a Sharp DT-510. I like the abundent connection options it has, $750.00 + shipping. I'll have to check it out as to how it looks. Can't seem to find much info or reviews on the web. Would like to have some calibration info from someone that's had or has one. :D

More possible reasons why the 2xspeed Mitsubishi HC1600 may produce more RBE than the 2xspeed Infocus X1 for some people.

The yellow segment enables more saturated red and green segments to be used. To produce bright white the projector adds the yellow segment to the typical cyan white (of non D65 optomized colorwheel DLP projectors like the X1) producing a greenish white. Green is easier for the eye to spot than cyan white, this is why LCD green dust blobs are easier to spot on black. So rainbows are more easy to see. You could try turning down green and turn up red and blue gain/contrast.

The HC1600 can not be used with 3D Shutter glasses because they can not sync to it, it has a non consistent refresh rate. The X1 can be used, it has a consistent refresh rate. They are both 2xspeed, but the XI is consistant in its timing, while the HC1600 is not.

Source playback jitter and color banding can increase RBE so perhaps HC1600 is more prone to showing this. So it might be due to source - diplay combination, or a product of scaling introducing banding or jitter.

Having said this, the main cause of RBE is having the projector too bright. A ND2 filter will solve the problem for most people who suffer from it, and many will not suffer from it at all.

I own a Mitsubishi XD460U same 2xspeed color wheel with the same red/green/blue/yellow/white segments. It is even brighter 2600Lumens and I watch it projected on to a matt white wall in a light controlled batcave. With a ND filter it does not give me any RBE, and no one else viewing it has suffered RBE.

Well count me in as another satisfied HC1600 owner. I ordered mine on 12/31 and then got the bageezes scared out of me by reading this thread. I was really worried. I took down a CRT to install the HC1600. Have not had one complaint. We have watched three movies and a ton of HD TV, including the game between the Gators and the Sooners going on right now. Still HAPPY!!!

Mine going back on Monday... *ucks *ss

Mine going back on Monday... *ucks *ss

dont blame the projector because your eyes cant handle it's awesomeness. :p

I got mine hooked up the other day.I do see rainbows that I didn't see with the 4805 but the picture is better.The rbe is a minor issue for such a great picture at a low price.So far so good.

dont blame the projector because your eyes cant handle it's awesomeness. :p

Thanks for the laugh! :D

I admit it presents a pretty good picture - for a dedicated RBE maker...

So I got the hd71 yesterday. Having rbe with it too. Decided to give up on front projection for now. Don't know what my problem is. Decided to wall mount my 50" panny plasma where my screen was and call it quits for awhile. Maybe when 1080 LCD projectors come down to the price of 720s I'll pull the trigger again. Thanks for the replies and input.

So I got the hd71 yesterday. Having rbe with it too. Decided to give up on front projection for now. Don't know what my problem is. Decided to wall mount my 50" panny plasma where my screen was and call it quits for awhile. Maybe when 1080 LCD projectors come down to the price of 720s I'll pull the trigger again. Thanks for the replies and input.

RBE on the HD71????

Wow. I guess DLP is not for you. I'm not entirely sure as I've seen both reported but the HD71 is a x4 or x6 speed DLP.

I'm a little confused as to why you'd buy a 720p DLP but in no way consider a 720p LCD.

There are excellent 720p LCD models out there.

I'm a kinda picky about the image. LCD 720p has just a little too much screen door for me. I think the panasonic has a way to deal with it, but I've heard from some the image is a little soft. I've been trying to stay below the $1000 mark and there just wasn't any really great lcd deals right now (gotta feel like I'm really getting something for my money with today's economy!) Both the HC1600 and the HD71 had amazing deals right now. Oh,well. Already hung the tv and redid the room. Thanks again for all the input.

Actually, you may get your wish sooner rather than later!

Now that you will probably be waiting a couple of years you'll probably end up with something like the Panny AE3000, Mitsu HC7000, or Sanyo PLV-Z300 for that price. Also, who knows what the DLP guys will have come up with by then (affordable 1080p LED DLP?).

In the meantime, enjoy your little TV ;) Sorry, I just couldn't resist :D

Alright dude, you've been trumpeting this deal in every thread. Where is this from? I have an hc1500 myself, but you've got me curious. I searched and couldn't find it anywhere.I doubt BB has any left but that's where I got mine (1500) from for $599. That was back in September.:)

I got mine hooked up the other day.I do see rainbows that I didn't see with the 4805 but the picture is better.The rbe is a minor issue for such a great picture at a low price.So far so good.

I agree...I got mine and it's been working hard for 3 days with everything I could possibly throw at it...RBE is just as present as it is in any 720 DLP I've ever seen...no biggie. It really just manifests itself when you look away quickly...I guess if you have ADD it'd be an issue. I love it and for $650 + a spare bulb you can't beat it!

I agree...I got mine and it's been working hard for 3 days with everything I could possibly throw at it...RBE is just as present as it is in any 720 DLP I've ever seen...no biggie. It really just manifests itself when you look away quickly...I guess if you have ADD it'd be an issue. I love it and for $650 + a spare bulb you can't beat it!

I haven't sent in for my $100 rebate & bulb yet.Did you get yours & if so how long did it take?If I get these it makes this an unbelievable deal as long as I get decent life out of each bulb.

Just sent mine in on Saturday and we'll keep you guys posted on when it comes... For the price that i paid for the PJ($733 shipped)before the rebate and the bulb I think I still got a good deal. When and if the rebate and bulb does come it just makes it a KILLER deal! I missed out on BB clearing out the HC1500 for $599 but I think this deal is even better though.

I've replaced a 4805 w/ the HC1600 - 13' distance to a 100" focupix manual screen. No rainbow seen by me or a dozen other people who have watched sports or movies. 100 hrs. so far. I wonder if the type of screen affects the RBE?

I love the vivid colors, great for sports, etc., but have been a little disappointed w/ the black levels & shadow detail. I'm wondering if a gray screen would help. Also, I just got a Blu-Ray DVE & plan to tweak the calibrated settings a bit this weekend, which should help. All in all, very happy w/ the projector for the price (amazon $750 - $100 rebate plus a bulb)

I've replaced a 4805 w/ the HC1600 - 13' distance to a 100" focupix manual screen. No rainbow seen by me or a dozen other people who have watched sports or movies. 100 hrs. so far. I wonder if the type of screen affects the RBE?

I love the vivid colors, great for sports, etc., but have been a little disappointed w/ the black levels & shadow detail. I'm wondering if a gray screen would help. Also, I just got a Blu-Ray DVE & plan to tweak the calibrated settings a bit this weekend, which should help. All in all, very happy w/ the projector for the price (amazon $750 - $100 rebate plus a bulb)

I'll be honest - I'm a lot more familiar with the Da-Lite lineup than anything else. You may want to consider a screen with Da-Lite's High Contrast Matte White. Your projector is really bright, has good contrast (compared to most 720p models), and I'm guessing there isn't too much ambient light.

Here is a short thread where the HC grey vs. white was discussed:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=997468

Great advice on the HC Matte White - thanks. Do you have a link where I can read about comparisons between Model B & C with & without CSR? I'm wondering if the CSR is worth another $100, then the benefits of upgrading to the model C.

Thanks!

I'd be interested in buying someones free bulb when they start shipping. PM me if interested.

BTW.. Amazon was very good on accepting my 1600 return. Took about 7 calendar days to receive my refund.

hc 1500 here, plus had the hd1000. Never a rainbow. For those that see them, leave the country please

Are the guys seeing the rainbows using the analog or digital ports on the Mits? The analog ports are garbage.

hc 1500 here, plus had the hd1000. Never a rainbow. For those that see them, leave the country please

Don't gloat over your poor eyes. :p

Analog inputs? HDMI and VGA ports.

This thing is a RBE machine with a 2X COLOR WHEEL...

hc 1500 here, plus had the hd1000. Never a rainbow. For those that see them, leave the country please

Sorry for being genetically superior. :p

After berating, insulting, swearing, and obtaining a RMA from the "Big River"... I have decided to keep the POS1600! HA HA

It has been a tough 3 weeks having realized that a 2X color wheel on paper means a 2X COLOR WHEEL. Make no mistake - this thing displays more RBE than my old X1 ever did... However, these are my reasons for keeping it:

1. The price - a $100 rebate and a bulb.

2. The picture is great when not in "Rainbow mode" and beats the heck out of the old 4805, especially when connected to the PC - it works well with my Nvidia 8500 GT video card with dual DVIs out.

3. In 6-8 months, it will still be worth something when the price of a 1080p comes down and will be able to pop it on *bay.

4. My X1 had some RBE, but I lived with it because of all of the pros. I will do the same here and bide my time until the time is right for another move.

5. I have not been able to find an reasonable upgrade (720 or 1080p) with a comparable deal within my budget of under 1K. The closest is the Sanyo 1080HD at the "Blue & Yelow Store", and Infocus just does not have a budget king at this time...

So, I will enjoy what I have and wait... there you have it.

http://www.shoeguide.co.uk/media/main/woman_running_landscape.jpg

DLP projector on a 6x color wheel.


http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_qk9ZJofIa9M/SJ3tP0FDkbI/AAAAAAAAA1c/QFzBJxROABc/s400/ronald_mcdonald_jumping.jpg

Same picture on the Mitsubishi HC1600.

LMFAO! hahahaa.. Awesome.

Ha ha - pos1600

Do you guys know if BB allows you to try out a projector first before you buy it? Also, do you think they'd price match the Big River price? I'm apprehensive about purchasing this projector because I have a feeling it may not work in my basement due to 7' ceilings. I just want to try it out real quick and see.

Do you guys know if BB allows you to try out a projector first before you buy it? Also, do you think they'd price match the Big River price? I'm apprehensive about purchasing this projector because I have a feeling it may not work in my basement due to 7' ceilings. I just want to try it out real quick and see.I use a HC1500 in my basement with 7' ceilings. I have a 110" or 8'x4.5' screen. I have the projector mounted very close to the ceiling with a mount I made myself. The top of my screen is about 6.5 inches from the ceiling. I have the projector angled up slightly and use no key-stone correction. There is maybe an inch or less of key-stone on either side of the screen that is only noticeable if you look for it at the edge of the screen. There is no readily visible distortion of the image.

I use a HC1500 in my basement with 7' ceilings. I have a 110" or 8'x4.5' screen. I have the projector mounted very close to the ceiling with a mount I made myself. The top of my screen is about 6.5 inches from the ceiling. I have the projector angled up slightly and use no key-stone correction. There is maybe an inch or less of key-stone on either side of the screen that is only noticeable if you look for it at the edge of the screen. There is no readily visible distortion of the image.

Cool, thanks. Did you create a special mount or did you purchase a mount? If so do you have a link?

I built it myself from 2 pieces of wood.

You think the Mitsubishi rebate of $100 and lamp for the HC1600 will be extended past 01/31/2009?

Just a couple days after deciding to keep this thing, and just a day away from sending in the rebate form - the color wheel buzz saw noise started... not even a month old.

This is truly a POS. Now I have to go through Mit warranty repair within 30 days or ownership.

Just a couple days after deciding to keep this thing, and just a day away from sending in the rebate form - the color wheel buzz saw noise started... not even a month old.

This is truly a POS. Now I have to go through Mit warranty repair within 30 days or ownership.

WOW!!! That's bad!!! :eek:

Man ace what have you done to deserve this bad karma? LOL. First your HD65 bulb blows after a month then all these problems with the HC1600! seriously did you abuse your previous projectors?

I am rough on them as they are used for all TV and movies in the living room. Keep in mind however that I have had the Mit for only three weeks and got extensive RBE and a color wheel whine... true POS - IMFO.

Anything I have had besides an Infocus (X1 and 4805) just doesn't seem to be very sturdy or as functional. Although I did go though a circuit booard on the X1 and a color wheel on the 4805. Am I ready for a regular TV you think?

Any good deals on a Panny 200u out there? I'm ready for a LCD!

I am rough on them as they are used for all TV and movies in the living room. Keep in mind however that I have had the Mit for only three weeks and got extensive RBE and a color wheel whine... true POS - IMFO.

Anything I have had besides an Infocus (X1 and 4805) just doesn't seem to be very sturdy or as functional. Although I did go though a circuit booard on the X1 and a color wheel on the 4805. Am I ready for a regular TV you think?

Any good deals on a Panny 200u out there? I'm ready for a LCD!

Maybe it's just you. :p

j/k

I had a color wheel issue with my 4805 too, which got fixed through RMA.

I am holding off upgrading my IN72 until I find an affordable Infocus 720p or 1080p PJ.

I am rough on them as they are used for all TV and movies in the living room. Keep in mind however that I have had the Mit for only three weeks and got extensive RBE and a color wheel whine... true POS - IMFO.

Anything I have had besides an Infocus (X1 and 4805) just doesn't seem to be very sturdy or as functional. Although I did go though a circuit booard on the X1 and a color wheel on the 4805. Am I ready for a regular TV you think?

Any good deals on a Panny 200u out there? I'm ready for a LCD!

Reliability issues have been biting you HARD!

Have you thought about a Marantz projector? The bulbs can be pricey, but they are noted for their reliability. If you don't mind refurbished a VP8600 can be had for $800, there was also a place selling new for just over $1000. Might be worth a look.

Interesting - I'll check it out. The POS1600 went back this morning.