I think Samsungs generally get a bad wrap on this board about Burn In and Image Retention. I would like owners to take part and set the record straight on current stated models only.

Samsung earned their reputation for bad IR, and it will take quite a while of it being a non issue for people to get over it. Sharp is in a similar predicament with their LCDs, they have had banding problems for a while now, and even if they fix it, it has left it's mark on the companies reputation and will take a while for people who have had those problems to feel safe buying from them again.

Samsung earned their reputation for bad IR, and it will take quite a while of it being a non issue for people to get over it. Sharp is in a similar predicament with their LCDs, they have had banding problems for a while now, and even if they fix it, it has left it's mark on the companies reputation and will take a while for people who have had those problems to feel safe buying from them again.


EVERY plasma has IR.

Pio's and Panny's have earned the same reputation.

EVERY plasma has IR. Yes, absolutely correct.

Pio's and Panny's have earned the same reputation.Strongly disagree here. Samsung went through some QC issues with driver voltage being too high and inducing strong IR. Also, phosphor, gas mixture, dielectric materials and driving voltage vary between manufacturers. All of these contribute to IR magnitude.

I had a 450 with pretty bad IR. It was comparable to the old Vizio I had. I now have a Panasonic and IR is pretty much nonexistent.

Yes, absolutely correct.

Strongly disagree here. Samsung went through some QC issues with driver voltage being too high and inducing strong IR. Also, phosphor, gas mixture, dielectric materials and driving voltage vary between manufacturers. All of these contribute to IR magnitude.

I agree Samsung went through hardships with IR, with older generation displays, newer generation plasma PDP's are much more resistant to IR. I should know....I own a Samsung and IR is non existent.

Certainly you will find posts where Samsung owners are complaining of having IR, same can be said for other models as well.

I think the 1080p models are better at IR than the 720p models, that's what I've heard.

My 650 has only had minor IR that lasted for 1-2 minutes when the set was fairly new. Now that I have ~200+hrs on it IR is nonexistent.

I experience pretty serious IR after all but absolutely ideal viewing endeavors with my PN50A550. Sometimes it can take several hours of scrolling to nullify its effects, and even weeks to do so entirely.

I wish it weren't the case, but I'm not bitter. I still like my TV.

I experience pretty serious IR after all but absolutely ideal viewing endeavors with my PN50A550. Sometimes it can take several hours of scrolling to nullify its effects, and even weeks to do so entirely.

I wish it weren't the case, but I'm not bitter. I still like my TV.

It seems that Samsung just can't get their Quality Control in check, some panels are perfect but there are many that have minor to major flaws, are the problem panels even from Samsung? (there is a big debate to this over on the LCD forum as to whether they are outsourcing their panels for some sets) could the same thing be happening to their plasma sets?

My 650 has only had minor IR that lasted for 1-2 minutes when the set was fairly new. Now that I have ~200+hrs on it IR is nonexistent.

That was my experience as well. And it's what I expected.

It seems that Samsung just can't get their Quality Control in check, some panels are perfect but there are many that have minor to major flaws, are the problem panels even from Samsung? (there is a big debate to this over on the LCD forum as to whether they are outsourcing their panels for some sets) could the same thing be happening to their plasma sets?

This isn't exclusive to Samsung alone but every manufactuer. Even if Samsung were only affected it won't be long before all other makers join the 'save a penny' game. Looks like some others makers already have....

I spoke with an executive from Pioneer the other day and the bottom line was 'everyone is feeling the pinch'. Prices will either slash or parts will need to take a turn or both.

This isn't exclusive to Samsung alone but every manufactuer. Even if Samsung were only affected it won't be long before all other makers join the 'save a penny' game. Looks like some others makers already have....

I spoke with an executive from Pioneer the other day and the bottom line was 'everyone is feeling the pinch'. Prices will either slash or parts will need to take a turn or both.

Panasonic doesn't seem to be having these QC problems, and I know that Pioneer isn't outsoursing their panels from "unknown" manufacturers. Next year Pio will be using Panasonic panels built to Pio specs, but at least we know where they are coming from. Getting a decent Samsung panel is like a lottery, it seems to be completly random. They have been doing this for years and have an established history of switching panels in their displays.

You keep saying that every problem Samsung has, every brand has, but there isn't anything to back that claim up.

Panasonic doesn't seem to be having these QC problems, and I know that Pioneer isn't outsoursing their panels from "unknown" manufacturers. Next year Pio will be using Panasonic panels built to Pio specs, but at least we know where they are coming from. Getting a decent Samsung panel is like a lottery, it seems to be completly random. They have been doing this for years and have an established history of switching panels in their displays.

You keep saying that every problem Samsung has, every brand has, but there isn't anything to back that claim up.

I call that selective reading on your part. :cool: How you continuously fail to see the issues from Panny's and Pio's (in this forum alone) is beyond me.

Furthermore, what information you get from blogs/forums/emails.... I get from executive levels.

Furthermore, what information you get from blogs/forums/emails.... I get from executive levels.

First of all, proof please, many people come onto message boards and claim to have insider info like you just did, and most of them wind up to be making it up as they go to support their agenda. If you can provide proof of your "executive connections" then I will apologize, but I have seen this claim far many times to just blindly believe it.

he's making an executive decision not to disclose :p

(I couldn't help myself...my bad).

I have a 58A650, played by the break in rules for well over 100hrs, the set has about 170+hrs and the wife wants to watch her shows, you know ones with blazing logos and black bar bonanzas.

Of course after every few hours I have to run the scrolling screen pattern as the IR is atrocious. When I comment about her watching the aforementioned shows I'll let your imagination guess what her comments are:).

I have a relative that has a Panny 850 that I have seen from the beginning and the IR is NO WHERE as bad as this Sammy, in fact it is not noticable at all now even after watching channels like ESPN and FOX News not to mention the black levels put my Sammy's to shame. Unfortunately I love the CMS feature on the Sammy and the colors are beautiful, but the other issues will probably force me to return it and see what's coming out at CES 09.

First of all, proof please, many people come onto message boards and claim to have insider info like you just did, and most of them wind up to be making it up as they go to support their agenda. If you can provide proof of your "executive connections" then I will apologize, but I have seen this claim far many times to just blindly believe it.

What proof are you looking for?

The mere fact that this forum alone has all the evidence you need and yet you still refuse to admit otherwise I will not waste my time in providing further documentation supporting my involvement with these manufactuers.

I don't come to these forums and take sides with Samsung. As a matter of fact I have even recommended other brands to AVS members. Each panel/model has it's unique feature(s), if all you see in front of you is anything other than Samsung then we all know what stance you take coming into these posts spewing out nonsense.

A friend has the 42a450 and he went to bed with the rock band menu on for about 8 hrs. It had burn in which hasn't completely gone away weeks later but has improved according to him, I call it burn in and not IR cause it hasn't gone away yet and I don't know if it ever will. I also noticed the pink vertical band on the left part of the screen during white scenes like the ice in hockey. To be fair it's not that noticeable and may still go away completely possibly but it would bug me cause once you notice it you can't stop looking for it. I have a panny 42px77u and it has a fair amount of IR but it goes away fairly quickly so it's not an issue. The worst I did with it was leaving a dvd menu on for about 3 hrs but that went away shortly too.

I have an older Sammy. It had minor IR a few times early. One was due to static image left on for a few hours. It went away within an hour. That was the worst and I haven't had any issues with IR since.
I can't vote because mine is not one of the current units.

Pendagroon, perhaps the reason you don't see as many IR issues for pannys is the owners can't get their sets on in the first place. There are countless threads here on panny power-up issues and problems with power supplies.
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Pendragon what other sources other than AVS do you use?

Coincidentally pendragoon, a new poster started a thread below about buying another brand. He has been been reading about a lot of panny failures here.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1105259

Here come the Samsung fanboys again to defend their almighty lovers.

Here come the Samsung fanboys again to defend their almighty lovers.

Yeah but at least we are in our Sammy thread. What's your excuse hater?

This thread is about Samsung panels. I see no reason to begin discussing other panels/manufacturers etc.

It is a poll, not a thread about reputation, speculation, or A vs B.

Your panel's so [pejorative], it [joke].

We had a topic there for a while.

I bought a 58A650 back in Sept and at first it was pretty "hot", and even short one or two minute pauses would cause some minor IR of the light areas of the image. I was of course concerned but found it would very quickly go away as soon as I began watching again. The phosphors have since gotten much "cooler" with very little to no IR even when pausing for 5 or 10 minutes at a time. As in the beginning, any that I do get disappears almost as soon as I resume watching.

In my case I did not treat the set with kid gloves. I think it's ridiculous to watch zoomed or stretched programming, and think automated "break in" is a waste of time. I also have had my contrast set right around 90 (brightness only about 48-49 though) since day one as well... The large majority of my viewing has been HD for 7 years now anyway, but I made a point to try to mix up any 4:3 viewing I did with regular HD to fill the screen. I did watch 2.35:1 movies from the beginning and even then only had faint IR bars after a couple hours, which went right away. I will still get the bars after watching movies but they are nearly unnoticable now and never stick around.

I voted that I do get some IR, but it truly is a complete non-issue for me with the most minimal care taken.


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It is funny when people troll around tossing their garbage at sets they don't own. If I way overpaid for a Kuro I might troll too.

none for IR / BI issues with my sammy 50A450 :)

I have gone to the respective Samsung owner forums here and have invited them to chime in.

This has been my source almost exclusively for helping me decide on the last 3 displays I have owned. I truly would like to know what other forums, feeds and blogs that others use.

I had a 450 with pretty bad IR. It was comparable to the old Vizio I had. I now have a Panasonic and IR is pretty much nonexistent.


It was the opposite for me my Panny 85u had horrible IR and my Samsung shows none.

It is funny when people troll around tossing their garbage at sets they don't own. If I way overpaid for a Kuro I might troll too.

Sounds like a bad case of sour grapes.

Thanks to all who participated in the poll itself.

Although not a perfect way to get facts it does seem that very few owners have burn in and I almost thought that we would see ZERO burn in votes at all! And while IR is more of an issue folks still seem to like or love their purchases. It seems to me that the newer Samsung panels are better after reviewing this poll.

Based on what I have been reading in this forum Panasonic's also share some of these issues maybe not as bad as others but nevertheless the issues exist.

There are even some discussions about these types of issues with Pioneer but I think it's a given that Pioneer panels are basically very resistant to BI and IR and that there are so few complaints it's really a non-issue.

I also have learned that some posters say they "have other sources" but don't seem to want to share those sources. That was another reason for setting this poll up so I could learn of other discussions of Samsung panel issues to review. I keep reading about other non-AVS sources but I see no reference to them.

I have been around this forum far longer than my numbers reveal. It used to be a great place to get feedback from owners to solve issues and make purchasing decisions. The discussion was straightforward and informative.
Those qualities exist still but there seems to be much more parroting about someone who read something somewhere about this brand or that. That kind of crap is not worth the time to type or read because it's baseless to me. If your not an owner or unless you have credentials like say a known calibrator or sponsor I am very skeptical of what is posted and those of you looking for reliable info here should be to.

I have a 58A650, played by the break in rules for well over 100hrs, the set has about 170+hrs and the wife wants to watch her shows, you know ones with blazing logos and black bar bonanzas.

Of course after every few hours I have to run the scrolling screen pattern as the IR is atrocious. When I comment about her watching the aforementioned shows I'll let your imagination guess what her comments are:).

I have a relative that has a Panny 850 that I have seen from the beginning and the IR is NO WHERE as bad as this Sammy, in fact it is not noticable at all now even after watching channels like ESPN and FOX News not to mention the black levels put my Sammy's to shame. Unfortunately I love the CMS feature on the Sammy and the colors are beautiful, but the other issues will probably force me to return it and see what's coming out at CES 09.

UPDATE-I noticed what appeared to be dust buildup on the inside of the outer panel in the lower right corner of the screen, obviously not normal so I exchanged it for another A650 and lo and behold the IR is MUCH less than my previous panel. Perhaps the first panel was defective in some way. I'm still running 50/50 for brt and cont and ran the breakin images via memory stick for about 10 hours but since then it's been full screen HD programming. I did watch both football games yesterday and there was no residual IR from the logos that were present, so as of now I'm happy with my replacement tv.

My 50a550 has IR fairly regularly. Any sort of ticker on the bottom of the set and there is IR. If I watch a movie that is wider than 1.78:1 and I can see where the movie was on the screen. Now, none of this is permanent but if there was one thing that I did not like about my Samsung, this would be it. I would almost say that it is worse than my 3 year old Toshiba plasma.

BTW, I cannot vote as the poll is closed.

I experience minor IR when watching barred content (movies on wider aspect ratios or 4:3 content) or sports events with tickers. This is only noticeable when watching a solid color screen, such as for the fraction of a second when changing a channel. After a minute or two, it disappears.

Haven't had any permanent, stubborn issues, let alone any sort of burn-in and I do a fair amount of gaming on this set.