I didn't specify, but I was talking about private transactions and those for used items, not new.I understand what you are saying. But at the same time I recently sold my projector on eBay. It had very low hours and was in perfect condition. The person I sold it to could have taken my lamp (he recently purchased the same projector from someone else) and replaced it with one that doesn't even work. Even worse he could have accidentally dropped the projector while swapping lamps.

If he stated the projector wasn't as advertised and returned it to me I'm sure his credit card company would refund his money and I would be stuck. Even Paypal would stand behind him... they told me as much since there would be no way to prove the condition of the projector (as shipped).

I had someone purchase another high price item and after doing a little research I felt they were too much of a risk. Talking with Paypal they agreed I was completely exposed and the buyer is for all practical purposes relieved of any exposure the moment they return the item.

It's a nightmare! lol

Back to my HD8200, love it, updates coming after CES. Looks so sweet I did use colorfacts on the blu ray HDMI setup. For TV HD I give the Iris a rest and use the reference choice which is tuned very well OTB, plus it's bright for games and the news. :)

Well, surprise surprise! My dealer has said that they didn't see anything 'out-of-the-ordinary' in my HD82's iris. I still don't know how they tested it. They have, nevertheless, sent the machine to Optoma for further inspection. I thought I might phone them today just to let Optoma know what I am seeing. I told them about the YouTube video I made and they said that they had already seen it and that for all they knew the flickering seen in the video could be due to the refresh rate of the camera :eek:. I said that I believed Wing Chung of Optoma USA had seen it and that I believed he suspected a faulty iris. I was then told that Optoma USA and UK are entirely separate and it made no odds at all what Wing Chung of Optoma USA thought (I suspect the guy I spoke to has never heard of him). I can see the way this is going... Optoma will declare that is nothing wrong with the machine and I'll be left with trying to sell it on at a loss in order to get my money back. :(

They should understand that not only did you see it but you heard the iris clanking like mad while the flicker was happening. I can put up that IRE pattern and it's stable as are all the IRE patterns.

You have to get their engineering mgr. on the phone and detail the test.

Wow I'm watching the International on my HD8200 right now, pure eye candy very panoramic and sharp video.

Thanks for the advice again.

Well in the meantime I bought a JVC HD100 (RS2). I have to say that IMO it's black levels and shadow detail are much better than the (my) HD82 and I would say that it matches the HD82 in brighter scenes. And it does it all without an iris. Colors are on a par I think. What the JVC doesn't have though is that DLP sharpness that I'm used to. The image looks softer than either my HD80 and HD82. I'm telling myself that I will get used to and love the more 'cinematic' look of the JVC, but for the moment I find I'm hankering after the 'digitally processed' look of DLP - at least these are the words I've often found reviewers using to explain the differences. It's been so long since I went to the cinema and was impressed by the PQ that I don't remember what a 'cinematic' image looks like. In any case that DLP sharpness (due to the single chip as opposed to LCD and DiLA's three panel approach - i.e. convergence issues I suppose) is addictive. I never thought finding a replacement for my HD80 would be so darned hard!! I want the JVC with the sharpness of the HD80/82. Why is that so hard to manufacture?

They should understand that not only did you see it but you heard the iris clanking like mad while the flicker was happening. I can put up that IRE pattern and it's stable as are all the IRE patterns.

You have to get their engineering mgr. on the phone and detail the test.

Wow I'm watching the International on my HD8200 right now, pure eye candy very panoramic and sharp video.

Latest news: Optoma HAVE confirmed a fault with my HD82!! I can't quite believe it. In the meantime I bought a 2nd hand JVC HD100 (RS2). I've been calibrating the HD100 for the past few days and I have to say that while it's a nice machine it just doesn't wow me like the HD82 did (apart from its iris of course). It's reasonably sharp, but not as sharp as the HD82. There's definitely a more muted look to things - some call this 'filmic'. The colours sometimes appear out of whack - due no doubt to the wide gamut - in spite of my best attempts to calibrate. The blacks are nice but the bright scenes don't have the pop of the HD82 - due to lack of ansi contrast. It's definitely a nice projector, and especially nice not to have to worry about a dynamic iris, but I feel I'd just be making do if I were to keep it. Now that I've been vindicated about the iris I'm wondering what a properly working HD82 would look like. I'm actually thinking of asking them to send me another so I can compare these machines side by side and then I'll sell on whichever one comes up short. My wife would kill me if she knew I was thinking this. She can't understand why I go through such agonies over projectors. Am I stupid? The JVC is clearly the safe option so maybe I should stick with that and try and get used to the different DiLA image.

This is passion, not crazy. I would get hd82 over rs2 or rs10 anytime.

This is passion, not crazy. I would get hd82 over rs2 or rs10 anytime.

Thanks. Actually I have to clarify something... It was the dealer that confirmed to me that they had accepted that there was a fault. However, I have since phoned Optoma directly to ask what was specifically wrong with the machine and then I got another story. I was told by the head of sales that they had authorised the refund because I had been a loyal Optoma customer over the years and if I wasn't happy with the machine then I wasn't happy. That's a different story altogether. It doesn't indicate that they found a fault. Whilst I said I appreciate the gesture I also said that it didn't exactly inspire me with confidence to get another HD82. Incidentally, I asked both the head of sales and the dealer what they thought of the dynamic black on the HD82 and they both said that they preferred to switch it off! That doesn't inspire me with confidence now either. In fact the head of sales said words to the effect that just because they put dynamic black on a machine it doesn't mean that they are telling you it has to be used! To which I said that without DB my HD80 threw a better picture than the the HD82. The head of sales did say however that the HD86 was a different matter however and he was far more satisfied with its iris. The dynamic black, he said, operates completely different on that machine and was "seamless". That's what I've heard elsewhere. Iris apart I too would have chosen the HD82 over the RS2 any day, but on reflection I just can't take the risk of another bad experience with the HD82. So I've told the dealer to process the refund. I'm actually quite gutted that I've felt no choice but to do this because the HD82 really did wow me in every respect apart from the iris. That doesn't mean I'm ecstatic about the RS2 though - which also leaves me feeling gutted too, because we all want our projectors to inspire us, and for the moment the RS2 just doesn't. I should have kept my HD80 - a projector I was quite happy with until I got the urge to upgrade to the HD82!! :(As you say rjyap it is about passion. So I've a feeling that I won't be keeping the RS2 too long especially as I have it confirmed that the Vivitek H5080 (aka HD86) will be arriving on these shores in the summer. I hope it comes with a reasonable price tag and a "seamless" iris, as declared, because for the moment the Optoma HD86 is out of my price range.

Thank you for sharing, at least you go taken care of, too bad you're not in the US as the 8600 are priced not bad at all.

Thank you for sharing, at least you go taken care of, too bad you're not in the US as the 8600 are priced not bad at all.

You're welcome. It's nice to know that there are folks out there who can understand my pains! :)

Some eye candy on how my HD8200 looks, enjoy.

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Oh how about that contrast and black level? DLP is back baby

/\ very nice

Yeah the blades of grass detail and detail in the blacks, sharp as a tack also. I can't believe I got this thing for $1500, that's what I paid for my very first Optoma the H30, a 800X600 Home Theater VGA Res machine.

Tom do the HD8200 and HD8600 share the same body? Can the Vivitek we talk about in the other thread be a HD8200 instead of a HD8600?

No it's a different platform. The 8600 is a wide body with lens options. The HD8200 is slender with a fixed lens. Actually I think the HD8200 looks better and is more solid. It does have a fixed iris at the lens if you didn't notice. It's a cresent shaped opening.

But the 8600 is more useful with it's adjustable second iris. Much more lumens available if needed. Plus the 280watt that puts out 300watts vs the 230watt that does 250watts.

Oh I got 2000.1 native on the HD8200 but get a whopping 4050.1 with the HD8600.

So you'd say Tom that the native black level of the HD8600 is better than the HD8200? I might have kept my HD82 regardless of the iris issue had the native black level been anywhere decent but without the iris I felt that my old HD80 did a better job with blacks - but of course that had a manual iris that I used to set around 12, so quite shut down. Obviously the HD8600 has this as well.

From what I remember I'd say the blacks are on par with the HD8200 anb HD8600. But I don't remember the blacks on the HD80 I tested being better, the HD80 is DC2 I think.

You should like the DC3 HD8600 better because of the control and higher brightness plus higher native contrast. Really most of the time in video it's the native CR and high ansi contrast that mean something.

Hi ewery one
Question to Tom gitarman

Is yours DI in optoma still work very fine, and do you know any infos from a optoma about latest updates , i am interested in Optoma but worry about the action of DB1 , and how deep is black , i saw Sony HW 15 and black are very dark and good for my, i can buy it 300 $ cheeper than Sony, is it big diference in black level , please help :confused:

The DI is great I rarely notice it even in the feared Cinema2 mode. The lastest firmware is C08 and there will be another update featuring a little further tweaking of the Iris. Though for my machine I would say leave well enough alone.

People buy the DLP for the high ANSI contrast and super sharp picture, they're just DLP fans. The HD82 has a good black level but I think the panel machines can go darker and Sony does have a good Iris system. I had two of their early machines with DI and never saw any brightness pumping.

My old H79 died on me, first the bulbs end filament burned through and now the proj won't start at all. Jumped on a new HD82 to tie me over until LED technologies has matured and becomes cheaper.

The 82 is due to arrive on monday. Will let you know what i think of it after hanging it on the ceiling monday afternoon.

Got it for a very nice price btw.

Welcome to the 8200 club. I'm still enjoying mine weekly, if not daily!

So i saw yesterday hd82 in the flesh, and i know one thing :i don't notice Dynamic Iris not once during few films whom i take to make some tests, i can say that meaby black is little worst then in sony Hw 15 but picture in bright and middle dark scenas is far more vivid and full of life, and the shadow details is so good!!!!!i saw pomping during the dark to bright scenes but it was from AI, just after i turned off i never notice any flaws in DB 1 even in DB 2, think i soon will own one .The pictures is so sharp vivid and 3dementional. For me it is great pj, and i"ll buy it waiting for 3D pj in normal price.:D:D:D

The 8200 was a huge upgrade for me from my old H79. More light (even in Eco), better contrast, more reallike colors etc. HD material looks the biz on this one.

Hope this one will last me some years until LED tech is matured and come down in price.

Turned off all AI, Pure-stuff. Calibrated it and set DB to Cin1. Iris is not noticeable at all.

Nice buy all in all. Need to get an extra bulb so I have it in the house for when its time to change.

The DI is great I rarely notice it even in the feared Cinema2 mode. The lastest firmware is C08 and there will be another update featuring a little further tweaking of the Iris. ......

Hi guitarman,

any (good) news about a firmware > C08 ?

regards:)
KRID

I have CO8 if you need it and I did ask when we got the HD8600 FW if there's anything more for the HD8200 but no not yet. I'll keep asking for it.

Thanx Guitarman.
I just got C08 from my service man yesterday. He also replaced the colour wheel and a fan in order to reduce HD82's noise.

Pls. keep us informed as soon as there is another update available.
regard
KRID

is it normal that the color wheel is so noisy,in low brite mode,i dont hear the fan but therefore the wheel,at least i think the weird sound i the wheel,its not that loud but the sound is kinda annoying.

And could someone plz PM me how to get in the service menu.I would like to try to smooth the iris,like some people explained it here in the thread,but dont know how to.

Last question:I have a 108" screen and i cant get the picture sharp over the entire screen.The sharpness lowers a bit from top to bottom,or otherwise,depends on how i set the focus.I can also get a bit sharper to the middle of the screen.But i never have the the same sharpness all over

-> nimrodity: As described above OPTOMA Service Center here in germany replaced the color wheel and a fan in order to reduce the "annoying" noise....
To get in the service menu you need to choose: power off, left, left, up ...et voila, you're in ;-)

-> guitarman: Any news about a firmware > C08 for the HD8200 ?
It reads like the latest firmware update on HD8600 was more than succesfull in eliminating some very uncomfortable issues !?

regards
KRID

@KRID
how long did you have to wait till you got your HD82 back from service,and is the sound of the projector now obviously better than before.

Hi nimrodity,

it took the technician about an hour to install the firmware update, fan and colour wheel. After a stroll around and a quick coffee i took the beamer back home immediately :)

To me it seems like esp. the noise from the colour wheel is much better now; but it might be wishful thinking as well for noise is mostly subjective at all...

regards
KRID

where exactly did the technician repair your device at their office or at your home?

At their office. I went there for it's just a few minutes from where i'm working. So there was no need to send it via UPS or other parcel services which would have made me missing my beamer for at least a week or so. :eek:

tomorrow i am going to my dealer and see what he thinks.I really dont wanna give the projector away for so long,but better than hearing the noise everyday.Who knows maybe he gives me the HD86 as long as mines gone.lets hope the best.

@nimrodity: any news on that ? :)

the is at the service,i hope i will gt it maybe tomorrow or friday

got it back,but they said everythings in place,no problem.My dealer also said the noise is above average,but not so Optoma.I will talk to the boss of the place where i bought it and see what he thinks.But i will have to wait till monday

good luck ! :)

No firmware updates beyond C08 for the HD8200?

Nothing ever panned out, I asked about a week ago as I was interested in buying one. I'll keep talking about it, they were thinking of the Iris tweaking. If it was fixed up to disappear I'd love to have one.

Hi Guitarman,

pls keep us posted on that topic. :)

regards
KRID

I`m really close to getting this projector, but this lens shift thing is really confusing.
I have a da-lite high power screen and projectors lens would be good to get positioned near center of the screen.
Right now i have my projector placed slightly above screen center point. Can HD8200 do this?

Edit. No it`s not going to work; projector has to be placed minimum 5% (of screen height) above or below of the screen.

Calling this kind of feature "lens shift" is false advertising IMO..."a bit more optional offset" or something would be much less confusing.

Hi all,

are there any new firmware updates beyond C08 for the HD8200? :confused:

regards
KRID

C08 is still the latest.

I got a problem with my new hd82.

when I choose the option "brite mode" it always stays to "off". If I ty to put it to "on" the puicture turns bright for 1/3 of a sec then goes back to low brightness. The option in the menu stays in "off"

In addition image ai does not seem to make any difference. how can I test it.

what's the reason for these problems?

Changed my bulb in the HD82 the other day. Almost 4000 hrs in 1 1/2 years! I think that is excellent. Ofc the amount of light from it after so many hrs wasnt stellar, but movies was still very watchable in a dark room.

Turned brite mode off now with the new bulb but will go brite again after around 700 hrs I think.

Does this PJ still stack up to today's competitors? I can get a refurb HD82 for $1200.....also looking at new Mits HC4000 and BenQ W6000.

Thoughts?

Same question from me found the Optoma HD82 for £1300 uk , i have always had DLP and don't want to change. especially after reading the Epson 8350 owners thread.
I am upgrading from an Infocus IN76 that has worked flawlessly for 5 years, still a good picture even now but wanting to go 120" screen & now offset has come into play hence looking at the Epson TW-3200 for only £900.
Then i came across the HD82 & I need to know is it still good enough to last me 3 years.

Are owners with this pj using Eco mode? Eco mode more than bright enuf to watch an image of 100+ inch screen in the dark? Thx!

My HD82 has firmware C09, but still has the iris pumping issue every now and again. Guitarman do you think they'll sort this out sometime? Reviews saying that the HD83 is basically a HD82 + 3d, but at the same time owners are reporting that the HD83 iris is less obvious. :confused: