The next-generation SD cards, SDXC will increase the storage capacity from 32 GB up to 2 TB.

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A 2 TB SDXC memory card can store 100 HD movies, 480 hours of HD recording. Faster bus speeds will enable professional-level recording in compact consumer camcorders & increase the number of frames shot in a second with SDXC cameras.

2TB storage possible on SDXC cards (http://www.hdtvinfo.eu/news/hd-video-formats/2t-storage-possible-on-sdxc-cards.html)

That's an awful lot of data to lose if one is not careful about backups...

the big shortcoming they need to fix is format. If it's not able to be formatted in NTFS......it doesn't matter how much capacity it has......

I wonder if it make sense to hold off purchasing a camcorder ... to get one with SDXC support.

32GB is a bit limiting, and it would be nice if the camcorder accept larger cards.

I wonder if it make sense to hold off purchasing a camcorder ... to get one with SDXC support.

32GB is a bit limiting, and it would be nice if the camcorder accept larger cards.

At 17Mbps, 32Gb is 4 hours of full res recording in my HF100. At 24Mbps (the max for AVC I think) that's still gotta be at least 3 hours.

That's not enough?

SDXC has been announced, but I haven't heard of anything using it yet. Buy something now and upgrade when they are out and are more affordable.

Seggers

At 17Mbps, 32Gb is 4 hours of full res recording in my HF100. At 24Mbps (the max for AVC I think) that's still gotta be at least 3 hours. That's not enough?

On a long vacation, it's nice to be able to take just 1 card ... and no need to swap between cards :)

I wonder if it make sense to hold off purchasing a camcorder ... to get one with SDXC support.

32GB is a bit limiting, and it would be nice if the camcorder accept larger cards.

SDXC is still a long way to go. Maybe in the next 2-5 years. They're not just gonna jump from 32GB to 2TB just like that. There will be SD cards this year in 64GB and up format. It will take a while before they'll get to 2TB. And can you just imagine the price tag on it? 1G+?

If only there were cams that supported all flash memory thats currently available when released:mad: & at least dual flash memory slots

On a long vacation, it's nice to be able to take just 1 card ... and no need to swap between cards :)

Very true. However, that's a lot of data to loose or break.

I have 5 hours available, spread over 3 cards. They don't take up that much space, and considerably less than the DV tapes that I used to use.

It's also a lot easier to remove the small unwanted clips as well. May not get much space back.

Seggers

With SD/SDHC by the moment SD movies from Warner and Paramount...
http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20090108005478&newsLang=en

DRM?

Probalby CPRM (Content Protection for Recordable Media)...
http://www.sdcard.org/consumers/faq/#cprmapplication

DRM for high def movies in SDXC/Micro SDXC cards?

CPXM: Content Protection for eXtended Media (CPRM Extension)


SDXC/ MicroSDXC

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CPXM: New Security for High Definition video content protection.

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Nice to have a cellphone in the future supporting Micro SDXC with 720p/1080p + Micro HDMI (Micro HDMI > HDMI) and also built in projector...

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2797/cellphonezv4.jpg
http://techon.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/HONSHI/20080729/155633/

Samsung cellphone at CES 2009 with built in projector:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGrBsJV4oiE

Roberto

http://www.sdcard.org/developers/tech/sdxc "Faster bus speeds in SDXC specifications will also benefit SDHC, Embedded SD and SDIO specifications.":)

2 TB is amazing. Canon's website notes this technology will be out in the first quarter of 2009. I wonder if this technology will affect the longevity of the AVCHD format. I'm no expert, but it seems to me that if they can get solid state storage like that, then why would they not come up with a newer less compressed format?

grybrd, could u post a link to that? thanks

grybrd, could u post a link to that? thanks

I cannot find it there now. What I remember was a footnote noting that the technology will be out in "Q1 of 2009". It did not mention any product availability. I looked elsewhere and found an article at:

http://www.gizmag.com/sdxc-memory-cards-to-provide-2tb-storage-in-defacto-standard-format/10705/

The article notes what will actually be available in the first quarter of 2009.

SDXC is still a long way to go. Maybe in the next 2-5 years. They're not just gonna jump from 32GB to 2TB just like that. There will be SD cards this year in 64GB and up format. It will take a while before they'll get to 2TB. And can you just imagine the price tag on it? 1G+?

The SDXC spokesman said 5 years to get to 2TB. If and when they get to 2TB, the prices will probably be less than for 32 gigs now.

The SDXC spokesman said 5 years to get to 2TB. If and when they get to 2TB, the prices will probably be less than for 32 gigs now.
Big need for dual, triple SDHC/XC, Compact flash slots

Since the January press release, there's been nothing. Too good to be true? Manufacturing problems? Anyone got anything?

I bought my first HD camcorder this month (stepped up from my previous camcorder, a Hi-8/D8 from the mid-1990s). I am not kicking myself thinking I should have waited for SDXC.
-- SDHC cards are a commodity, meaning they are plentiful and relatively inexpensive. If I lose one, I wouldn't cry over it (assuming I'd already offloaded the video, of course). I'd rather have several 16 GB (85 minutes at 24 Mbps) or 32 GB (170 minutes at 24 Mbps) cards than one more-expensive SDXC card.
-- The FAT32 formatting on current SDHC cards actually does one favor for us: it is a contributor to the feature of long clips being stored as 1.9 GB (on my Canon HF S100) chunks. For editing in Sony Vegas Pro 9, that's a good thing. Dropping a 1 GB or 2 GB file on the timeline is quick, but dropping a 30 GB file on the timeline bogs the computer down for a very long time...

SDXC is all about future. Current 32GB limit on SDHC is no doubt hindering its long term viability for future flash storage capability, especially for HD video storage. But that doesn't mean you will see flood of 2TB SDXCs coming to market anytime soon. 32GB SDHC is still way too expensive for most consumers. You will probably see a few 64GB SDXC in coming years at even higher prices.

As for FAT32, the new SDXC will use the new FAT system called exFAT, not NTFS, to tackle the 4GB file size limit problem.

You can never win. There is always going to be something better on the horizon.

Just get something now and use it for years.

It is not actually that hard for me to switch cards. Only takes about half of a minute to pop out the filled one and put in an empty one.

SDXC is all about future. Current 32GB limit on SDHC is no doubt hindering its long term viability for future flash storage capability, especially for HD video storage. But that doesn't mean you will see flood of 2TB SDXCs coming to market anytime soon. 32GB SDHC is still way too expensive for most consumers. You will probably see a few 64GB SDXC in coming years at even higher prices.

As for FAT32, the new SDXC will use the new FAT system called exFAT, not NTFS, to tackle the 4GB file size limit problem.

Thank goodness it's not NTFS. You can always tell the people that have only ever used Windows though... all they know is NTFS, FAT 32, AVI, WAV etc etc...
Perhaps this exFAT will still have the flexibility of being able to be read from and written to by Macs and PCs?

Yeah, there is too much inside the NTFS that is Windows related (mostly security related) to make it too complex to implement for most devices.

It's up to Apple whether or not to support exFAT, a Microsoft product.

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2009_08/pr0401.htm

Toshiba will have 64 GB SDXC cards shipping next spring. Amazing transfer rates too. 60Mbit/s Read 35Mbit/s Write.

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2009_08/pr0401.htm

Toshiba will have 64 GB SDXC cards shipping next spring. Amazing transfer rates too. 60Mbit/s Read 35Mbit/s Write.


not that impressive, still slower than old scsi II 10MB/s, and still not fast enough for broadcast quality analog capture.

I was starting to think there was no point to SxS and P2 cards being so large in physical size, and so pricey.... but with a 1.2Gbps transfer speed... now it makes sense.

Just checked, no significant price drops on the Sony EX3:(

not that impressive, still slower than old scsi II 10MB/s, and still not fast enough for broadcast quality analog capture.

SCSI and its variants were/are good paths for many applications, but not comparable to a little memory chip.

Why would high-bandwidth analog capture be a consideration for chips that will only be used in digital equipment?

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2009_08/pr0401.htm

Toshiba will have 64 GB SDXC cards shipping next spring. Amazing transfer rates too. 60Mbit/s Read 35Mbit/s Write.

You copied info wrong. The read speed is 60 MB/s, not 60 Mb/s. Write speed is 35MB/s.

60Mbits/s will be quite slow speed even in today's SDHC cards.

8 bits to a byte yeah? So 480Mb/s read speed? That's not so bad.

8 bits to a byte yeah? So 480Mb/s read speed? That's not so bad.

so its capped at the speed of the usb 2 buss? hope it doesn't have the same hangups as usb

Last updates were in August, indicating that Toshiba were shipping samples supposedly in November, entering the market in the "spring." Any exact dates yet? Basically a year later than originally indicated. It's seriously delaying the creation of my dream flac player with multiple SDXC slots.

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2009/08/64gb-sdxc-cards-to-arrive-early-next-year.ars
http://gizmodo.com/5329562/toshiba-64gb-sdxc-card-is-will-be-the-worlds-largest-fastest

so its capped at the speed of the usb 2 buss? hope it doesn't have the same hangups as usb

The cards are projected to achieve up to 300MB/s, which I think will be USB3? Sounds good to me, just not sure when it will happen.

the big shortcoming they need to fix is format. If it's not able to be formatted in NTFS......it doesn't matter how much capacity it has......

Why? Camcorders already limit file size to 2GB even on HDD-based cams. FAT can handle up to 2TB which is the same limit posed on SDXC so what would be gained by using NTFS? (aside from manufacturers lifting the 2GB file restriction that has already been in place for ages).

On another note, I can only imagine the price of the 2TB cards.

http://www.toshiba.co.jp/about/press/2009_08/pr0401.htm

Toshiba will have 64 GB SDXC cards shipping next spring. Amazing transfer rates too. 60Mbit/s Read 35Mbit/s Write.

128GB CF cards are now available - good for your CANON 5D2 and 7D cameras.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10011904siliconpower128gbcf.asp

oh yeh, a write speed of 90MB/sec. Not to shabby. I expect SD to follow soon.

BTW, I notice Kingston UK have been offering a 256GB USB stick for a while now.

Why? Camcorders already limit file size to 2GB even on HDD-based cams. FAT can handle up to 2TB which is the same limit posed on SDXC so what would be gained by using NTFS? (aside from manufacturers lifting the 2GB file restriction that has already been in place for ages).

On another note, I can only imagine the price of the 2TB cards.

Not so gungadin. My wife's Panny TZ7 can record 720P @ 19Mbs H264 AVCHD NTFS until the 32GB SD card is full - in one continuous file.

The Euro version limits to 15 minutes.

NTFS is the only way to go, and is completely standard on most of the world's computers. NTFS has been around since 1993, wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS

Isn't NTFS owned by Microsoft? Maybe that's the reason for not using it (royalties)?

Pepster, is your Panny TZ7's card formated to NTFS? Or it's just the camera software that stitches the files together?

Not so gungadin. My wife's Panny TZ7 can record 720P @ 19Mbs H264 AVCHD NTFS until the 32GB SD card is full - in one continuous file.

The Euro version limits to 15 minutes.

NTFS is the only way to go, and is completely standard on most of the world's computers. NTFS has been around since 1993, wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS

Yes thanks. I have been an IT professional for nearly 12 years so I am fully aware of the technical aspects. NTFS is a less efficient file system which is one reason why it isn't used for flash memory. Secondly, the FAT file system offers better inter-OS compatibility. Believe it or not, not everyone uses Windows.

I was also aware that some cams record to all 1 file but this is not the norm nor is it terribly useful. My HS250 breaks the files up but there is no break in the video so I can simply chain them together during editing if necessary. I also wonder how efficient it is to work with a single 32GB file.

Isn't NTFS owned by Microsoft? Maybe that's the reason for not using it (royalties)?

Pepster, is your Panny TZ7's card formated to NTFS? Or it's just the camera software that stitches the files together?
I retract everything I said - I am was completely wrong (as I often am...).

The camera has formatted the 1x32GB and 2x16GB SD cards in FAT32. The largest file I have is approx 3GB (27minutes).

Yes thanks. I have been an IT professional for nearly 12 years so I am fully aware of the technical aspects. NTFS is a less efficient file system which is one reason why it isn't used for flash memory. Secondly, the FAT file system offers better inter-OS compatibility. Believe it or not, not everyone uses Windows.

I was also aware that some cams record to all 1 file but this is not the norm nor is it terribly useful. My HS250 breaks the files up but there is no break in the video so I can simply chain them together during editing if necessary. I also wonder how efficient it is to work with a single 32GB file.

Most Blu-ray mt2s files are one single 25GB to 35GB file, so my USB HDDs are NTFS for the 50 odd ripped Blu-rays I play through my Noontec A6 media player.

But, my Beyonwiz PVR will only write to a Fat32 drive, so I network this instead.

FAT32 is going to look even more stupid as we move towards an era of USB3 and uncompressed video.

FAT32 is an achillies heel when you start moving Blu-ray movies around as I do. A mate of mine has to split his blu-rays up before his Oppo Blu-ray player can even read them !

FAT32 is a giant pain.

128GB CF cards are now available - good for your CANON 5D2 and 7D cameras.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10011904siliconpower128gbcf.asp


Not sure I want to know the price of that CF stick.

I cannot really think of a need to have single contiguous files since in editing everything will be added and encoded etc.

Outside of the realm of cams I can see (& use) requirements for large file support.

Personally I want large 'drives' because I dislike swapping cards/etc around. I think 64GB would fit me; 2 32's are not much inconvenience either.

This one continuous file talk is moot. If you use the software provided by the camera, it auto stitches the fragments together. If not, it's also easy to stitch them with a simple command line or a dedicated util.

I do prefer smaller files and I'm glad HD card camcorders create a new file for each scene (pressing start/stop button). With mini DV I always upload the tape and then I split it by jumps in the timecode. Smaller files are easier to transfer between computers and backup drives, irregardless of the file system.

I'm not salivating for 2TB cards, at least for use in a camcorder. I imagine the nightmare it would be to recover from a card with a garbled file system.

Now, a dozen of those cards filled with BD rips and a BD player that reads SDXC... how cool is that? All your por... hmmm.... portable movie collection dreams come true.

Kiding aside, in a few years cards like those will be handy with Quad HD(whatever) 3D camcorders.

Any updates? I haven't heard anything. It's now well over two years since they were supposed to be on the market. Sheesh.

QMemory and Sandisk have 64GB for $270 to $280. Lousy price points. I figured by now they'd at least be up to 256GB cards for that much.

http://www.flash-memory-store.com/sdxc-card.html?gclid=COyd4enL1aQCFdvY5wodmVGyJQ

At the rate memory cards are going it will be more than ten years before you see a 2TB SDXC card IMHO. BTW anyone who wants a 2TB card is clueless about technology.

BTW, I notice Kingston UK have been offering a 256GB USB stick for a while now.

Hi , about this 256GB USB stick, do u have the link of where I could buy it please ?

Thank you

B&H is the largest Pro camera&video dealer on the planet and the largest memory card they have is 64GB.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Memory-Cards/ci/1097/N/4277998784

B&H is the largest Pro camera&video dealer on the planet and the largest memory card they have is 64GB.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Memory-Cards/ci/1097/N/4277998784

So I guess there is no card or USB bigger than 64GB around yet ......

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