Looking at setting up a MythTV box with an old computer just to try it out. Not planning on PVR right now. It would just be for DVD playing and Music. I am looking for a decent reasonably priced IR keyboard so I can use it to teach my learning remote (sony RM-VL600) to control the MythTV.

So far I can only find these

http://www.fentek-ind.com/wireless.htm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823166049

neither of which I am greatly impressed by. I figured I would just be able to pick up a simple IR keyboard for $30 or so but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Any suggestions?

You can use any remote with mythtv. All you need is an ir reciever. There's no need to buy an IR KB. Do they still make them I wonder.

If your PC has a serial port, this one works good for me. And you can't beat the price.:-)

http://tekgems.com/Products/tg-pbr.htm

So... you want a wireless keyboard just to train a learning remote? But not actually use it as a keyboard? Hopefully someone else can help you with that.

But, if you're looking for a keyboard to actually use, I highly recommend the Adesso WKB-3000UB (www.adesso.com/products_detail.asp?productid=336). Right now they're $61 from Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/Adesso-Wireless-Keyboard-Optical-Trackball/dp/B000JJM7S0).

I have two of them and LOVE them.

Their layout is perfect. The built-in optical trackball sits right under your right thumb, and there's a L-click button on the right-back edge for your trigger-finger. On the left-back edge is a scroll wheel, right where your left index finger lands when holding the keyboard. The keys are not that nice - They're a little cramped, and don't have a nice feel to them. But for mousing around HTPC's, this is a great mini keyboard.

You can use any remote with mythtv. All you need is an ir reciever. There's no need to buy an IR KB. Do they still make them I wonder.

If your PC has a serial port, this one works good for me. And you can't beat the price.:-)

http://tekgems.com/Products/tg-pbr.htm

Thanks for the reply.

I guess I was trying to take what I thought would be the easy way.

looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

it states "It should be noted that many people bypass the need for lirc altogether, and simply use a "learning remote control" and a infrared keyboard receiver. Train the learning remote control to output the appropriate keyboard press for each button/label. Linux and MythTV will not know any better and you have a simple and staightforward infrared controller."

it made sense to me, and keeps me from dealing with LIRC which I am finding a bit intimidating at this point.

My remote does not seem to be supported and I can only find a irman config file here (http://lircconfig.commandir.com/lircd.conf/?viewremote=88)

It seems like you can setup your own config file (http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html) but I am a bit confused by the guide.

Maybe I will do a bit more research.....

Thanks for the reply.

I guess I was trying to take what I thought would be the easy way.

looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/LIRC

it states "It should be noted that many people bypass the need for lirc altogether, and simply use a "learning remote control" and a infrared keyboard receiver. Train the learning remote control to output the appropriate keyboard press for each button/label. Linux and MythTV will not know any better and you have a simple and staightforward infrared controller."

it made sense to me, and keeps me from dealing with LIRC which I am finding a bit intimidating at this point.

My remote does not seem to be supported and I can only find a irman config file here (http://lircconfig.commandir.com/lircd.conf/?viewremote=88)

It seems like you can setup your own config file (http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-8.html) but I am a bit confused by the guide.

Maybe I will do a bit more research.....

Yes, the IR learning remote and IR keyboard method is a tried and true approach to HTPC control since the late 1990's on avsforums.

The Gold standard for this purpose is the original Airboard IR keyboard and compatibles-


http://www.digitalconnection.com/Products/keyboard/sk7100.asp

http://www.cwol.com/keyboards/sk7100.htm

You are quite lucky, as a compatible version of the Airboard is still available-

http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/sk7500wireless.html

I prefer the SK-7500 over the original SK-7100 Airboard, in physical design and key type.

This is the ONLY remote keyboard I've ever used (along with the SK7100), and don't want to use anything else. I've tried others and always come back.

These are well built for the price and have lasted over 10 years in use in my den and basement theater.

The SK7500 is 100% compatible with the SK7100's codes and IR receiver.

The IR shot out of the SK7500 is learnable by all common learning remotes.

There is NO better IR keyboard out there for media PC use. The Adesso looks like a great RF board, but if you want IR, the SK7500 is the way to go. I have ordered several from pckeyboards.stores without incident.

You may not find the name of your remote (RM-VL600), but it is certainly supported, as is any ir remote. Yours is a universal remote that emulates many remotes. just pick a device that has lots of active buttons and use it. And if you want you can create your own lircd.conf file using your remote and irrecord (part of the lirc package). The more important thing is that you get an IR receiver that's supported. Then the remote model doesn't really matter. I've used several different models, and I've combined remotes on the same machine so you could use totally different remotes at the same time to control the PC. Being a first time user, I'd suggest you get the 99 cent remote and receiver and use Mythbuntu 8.04. It will work out of the box.

Rgb,

Thanks for the great info and recommendation!

wnewell
I did a bit more searching and discovered I would just need to setup a config file for my remote. Best guide I could find is here (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_Serial_Lirc_Install)


Looking here (http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Programming_Remotes_as_Keyboards)

there are a couple (http://www.pctekonline.com/skcomwirkeyw.html)more (http://www.directron.com/ack571bl.html)options (http://www.solidtekusa.com/wireless.htm) for keyboards that I now found. But as I have a glowing recommendation from Rgb I may just stick with that one :D

From the first link it lists pros and cons of lirc vs IR keyboard as:

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The advantage to configuring your system with this is that you do not require LIRC and all the configuration that is needed to set it up. You are simply emulating a keyboard with your remote and any button you set will be sent. I have found also that they keyboard responsiveness is much faster than LIRC.

The disadvantage to this is that you lose some of the flexibility that LIRC provides. LIRC can be configured differently for each program (MythTV, mplayer, xine, etc) and the remote-as-keyboard solution cannot, each button only sends one keyboard button. This requires you to use the features of the programs to remap keys sometimes so that they match what you have configured. Alternatively, multiple remote devices (CBL, SAT, etc) could be used to provide alternative keybindings.
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If I am only using the remote for MythTV there is not much of an disadvantage correct?

After looking it over and seeing a viable IR keyboard for a good price I think I will probably just go that route. Teaching my remote with a keyboard just seems a lot simpler and easier then LIRC :o


Any other thoughts?

One thing I forgot to ask. Looks like the keyboard Rgb recommends is PS/2. For a while I thought the PS/2 port for keyboard and mouse would go away in favor of USB. But looking at newegg seems like all the motherboards still have it the PS/2 ports?

So is PS/2 still here to stay?

One thing I forgot to ask. Looks like the keyboard Rgb recommends is PS/2. For a while I thought the PS/2 port for keyboard and mouse would go away in favor of USB. But looking at newegg seems like all the motherboards still have it the PS/2 ports?

So is PS/2 still here to stay?
My most recent motherboard purchase (Intel DG45ID) was USB-only, no PS/2 ports. I would not recommend purchasing a new PS/2 keyboard at this late date, unless you know that your mobo will not support USB keyboards.

I've got three of the Airboards and there is no way those puppies are leaving home. :)
I've got them all mapped with my old prontos that not going anywhere. :) I can setup all my weird ass systems in minutes with these devices. I am only using one of the Airboards at the moment, due to Popcorn Hours, but they still rule when a quick setup is needed.

One thing I forgot to ask. Looks like the keyboard Rgb recommends is PS/2. For a while I thought the PS/2 port for keyboard and mouse would go away in favor of USB. But looking at newegg seems like all the motherboards still have it the PS/2 ports?

So is PS/2 still here to stay?

I wouldn't buy a motherboard without PS2 ports. USB doesn't have the dedicated per-port IRQ's and dedicated per port bandwidth of PS2 keyboards and mice, so responsiveness of USB mice and keyboards can suffer. USB ports all share an IRQ and bandwidth. USB keyboards and mice may not work with some low level system utilties that boot into commandline-like environments.

I don't know how much longer I can hold out for PS2, but I've had no issue getting recent vintage mobos with them, including my new ASUS M2N68-AM.

If this is any indication, the mobos I've seen for the fastest, most bleeding edge CPU out there, Intel i7's, have PS2 ports.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128375

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130215

At worst, just get a low cost PS2->USB adapter like

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=BK-USB-PS2&c=fr&pid=331627c4cd53893ddd32297da4e3f72b403bf5c59f32c6ca8f29d8d3 b6dac7e2

EDIT 090215: Low cost PS2->USB adapters may not work with the SK7100/7500 IR receiver, due to the current draw of the receiver. One PS2->USB adapter that does work with the Airboard SK7100 or 7500 IR receiver is the Pi Engineering Y-Mouse USB
http://www.piengineering.com/ymouse/whym271.php

I've got three of the Airboards and there is no way those puppies are leaving home. :)
I've got them all mapped with my old prontos that not going anywhere. :) I can setup all my weird ass systems in minutes with these devices. I am only using one of the Airboards at the moment, due to Popcorn Hours, but they still rule when a quick setup is needed.

Looks like you can still get the airboard on e-bay (http://cgi.ebay.com/SK-7100-Express-Pro-Remote-Cordless-Mouse-Combo_W0QQitemZ350129373293QQcmdZViewItem)?

Although looking at it I think I like the way some of the other keyboards (http://www.pctekonline.com/skcomwirkeyw.html) have the mouse buttons on the other side. I can see that being easier to use then on the same side with one hand (but I have no experience with either :o )

If this is any indication, the mobos I've seen for the fastest, most bleeding edge CPU out there, Intel i7's, have PS2 ports.


I agree. I my breif looking any good motherboards still have the PS/2 ports



At worst, just get a low cost PS2->USB adapter like

http://www.ewiz.com/detail.php?p=BK-USB-PS2&c=fr&pid=331627c4cd53893ddd32297da4e3f72b403bf5c59f32c6ca8f29d8d3 b6dac7e2

Or even cheaper here ;):D

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10404&cs_id=1040401&p_id=3707&seq=1&format=2

Looks like you can still get the airboard on e-bay (http://cgi.ebay.com/SK-7100-Express-Pro-Remote-Cordless-Mouse-Combo_W0QQitemZ350129373293QQcmdZViewItem)?

Although looking at it I think I like the way some of the other keyboards (http://www.pctekonline.com/skcomwirkeyw.html) have the mouse buttons on the other side. I can see that being easier to use then on the same side with one hand (but I have no experience with either :o )

Yes, the legendary Airboard (SK7100) can still be had on fleabay, but I still recommend the SK7500.

The SK7500 is in every way an "Airboard" from the IR perspective- same IR codes, compatible receiver (receivers/keyboards are interchangeable), etc, just better keys and the mouse buttons on the left instead of on the right under the mouse pointer like the Airboard, which made the Airboard harder to use for mouse operations. The Airboard SK7100 used low profile keys (almost Chiclet keys) with less-than-full keystroke. The Sk7500 uses full size keys and full keystroke.

The SK7500 is obviously from the same OEM (liteOn?) /lineage as the Airboard (SK7100) based on the part number.

Until someone makes a low cost Airboard IR-compatible clone of a Logitech DiNovo Mini Bluetooth RF board, complete with illuminated keys:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848&cl=US,EN

you'll have to pry my SK7500's from my cold, dead hands- quite hard to do in the current single digit F temps in SE Michigan :D

BTW, to add illuminated keys to the Airboard/SK7500, just use these glow in the dark key cap stickers-

http://www.glow-key.com/

It appears there are plenty of original SK7100 Airboards, I assume new-

http://www.bell-enterprise.com/productStore/

Don't know anything about bell-enterprise.com, it came up in a Google Product Search against SK-7100

http://www.google.com/products?q=SK-7100&btnG=Search+Products

This one appears to be a Motorola branded version of the Airboard. The Airboard was rebranded to a lot of OEM's, and packed in with many brands of multimedia kits in the 1990's/early 2000's.

Looks like you can still get the airboard on e-bay (http://cgi.ebay.com/SK-7100-Express-Pro-Remote-Cordless-Mouse-Combo_W0QQitemZ350129373293QQcmdZViewItem)?


That one would be worthless to the you- it is the keyboard only, no IR receiver. Might be good for someone who has a broken Airboard and working IR receiver, though.

Yes, the legendary Airboard (SK7100) can still be had on fleabay, but I still recommend the SK7500.

The SK7500 is in every way an "Airboard" from the IR perspective- same IR codes, compatible receiver (receivers/keyboards are interchangeable), etc, just better keys and the mouse buttons on the left instead of on the right under the mouse pointer like the Airboard, which made the Airboard harder to use for mouse operations. The Airboard SK7100 used low profile keys (almost Chiclet keys) with less-than-full keystroke. The Sk7500 uses full size keys and full keystroke.

The SK7500 is obviously from the same OEM (liteOn?) /lineage as the Airboard (SK7100) based on the part number.


Thanks, you answered a question I was going to ask. My question was going to be if it had full sized keys. From the pictures online this is the only one I can find that has the feature.

Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicomp) says the SK-7500 is made by SiliTek which is a division of LiteON


you'll have to pry my SK7500's from my cold, dead hands- quite hard to do in the current single digit F temps in SE Michigan :D


I long for single digits (above zero). Here in Minnesota it was -20F when I drove in this morning. Last time above zero was Monday and the the forecast says we should get above zero sometime Friday afternoon. Currently -12F. Why do I live here again?

I long for single digits (above zero). Here in Minnesota it was -20F when I drove in this morning. Last time above zero was Monday and the the forecast says we should get above zero sometime Friday afternoon. Currently -12F. Why do I live here again?

...Spring, Summer and Fall ;)

Seriously, this is the *perfect* time for HTPC related hobbies- building your next Myth/HTPC box, debugging, learning software or how to compile, getting that Linux RAID up and running, and managing your media library, whether on hard disks or optical discs. You don't want to waste the other seasons indoors doing these things.

...and the fresh water.

For the rest of the country/world- bash Michigan/Detroit, our automakers, and the Lions (that one's *too* easy ;)) all you want- YOU CAN'T HAVE OUR WATER! When you're dying for that last drink of fresh water, we *might* give you a sip from an old "rustbelt" cup...

Mitch Albom eloquently summarized the national negative sentiments, and also articulates a positive defense of the city/region/state that pretty much encapsulates the views of most life long SE Michigan residents.

http://smokingsection.uproxx.com/TSS/2009/01/heart-of-the-city-2

Remember- SE Michigan (the Region) <> the "City" (Political entity) of Detroit

I agree. I my breif looking any good motherboards still have the PS/2 ports

Or even cheaper here ;):D

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10404&cs_id=1040401&p_id=3707&seq=1&format=2

Be aware that most of these low cost PS/2 to USB adapters don't appear to work with the PS/2 mouse connector on the SK7100 IR receiver, which actually is an RS232 DB9 serial connector with a serial->PS/2 adapter. Adding the PS/2 to USB adapter is converting twice, which isn't necessarily the reason why it doesn't work, at tleast with two name brand adapters I tried- Belkin and Radio Shack branded PS/2->USB adapters.

The keyboard PS/2 connector on the SK7100 receiver may work- I'll need to test again to verify. The Belkin adapter appears to work fine with an RF Gyration PS/2 mouse receiver I'm using- I like the Gyromouse + SK7100 combo for some tasks.

The SK7100 IR receiver may want too much current for those USB adapters.

If you need to convert to USB, you might want to try this pro-grade adapter

http://www.piengineering.com/ymouse/whym271.php

I have not tested this specific adapter with the SK7100, so be sure you can return it if it doesn't work for you.

EDIT 090131: I bought the Y-Mouse USB and it works perfectly with the SK7500 IR receiver.

I have used several different Pi Engineering products since 2000 for dual analog VGA output and dual PS/2 keyboard and mouse input adapters- allows 2 keyboards to be used on one PS2 keyboard port a thte same time, similar for the dual Ps2 mouse adapter. These have been very useful running my HTPC's in my basement theater.

Review of PS2->USB adapters
http://www.slcentral.com/usb-mouse/

I duplicate the analog VGA output with zero quality loss to both my 1280x720 projector and a "control" monitor in the equipment rack at the back of the theater. "Clone" mode on video cards is not as flexible.
http://www.piengineering.com/ymouse/whym06.php

The Y-Mouse
http://www.piengineering.com/ymouse/whym02.php

and Y-Key-Key
http://www.piengineering.com/ymouse/whym04.php

are great companions to the SK7100/SK7500. They allow you to use both the IR keyboard and an equipment-rack wired keyboard and wired PS2 mouse at the same time on the same PS2 ports.

But the new USB Y-mouse is probably simpler than the two separate devices above.
http://www.piengineering.com/ymouse/whym271.php

I am really happy with my Logitech Edge. Very high-grade & classy, it lasts a month on a battery charge, and never loses RF communications. Nice and solid.
.

I assume you are referring to

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192&cl=US,EN

Looks like a great RF board, though I don't really like touchpads for mice. Still prefer IR ;)

Since we're speaking of the SK-7500 and serial->DB9 adapters...

I just got a SK-7500 for my Mythbuntu (8.10) install (largely because of this thread). The keyboard works fine with it -- "plug and play" -- but the little mouse-stick doesn't control the cursor at all, nor do the buttons work. Not an issue when I'm using Myth, but otherwise slightly annoying.

Has anyone else had this problem? I'm thinking maybe the adapter is causing the trouble, but my mobo doesn't have a serial mouse port so I can't test.

Thanks,

/GregoryK

Since we're speaking of the SK-7500 and serial->DB9 adapters...

I just got a SK-7500 for my Mythbuntu (8.10) install (largely because of this thread). The keyboard works fine with it -- "plug and play" -- but the little mouse-stick doesn't control the cursor at all, nor do the buttons work. Not an issue when I'm using Myth, but otherwise slightly annoying.

Has anyone else had this problem? I'm thinking maybe the adapter is causing the trouble, but my mobo doesn't have a serial mouse port so I can't test.

Thanks,

/GregoryK

I assume you are connecting the SK7500's mouse connector to the PC's PS2 mouse port using the included DB9 serial -> PS2 adapter?

If so, be sure you are connecting to the upper PS2 port on your PC (simple mistake). also be sure the PS2 mouse connector is Enabled in your BIOS, not Auto.
Make sure the DB9 serial->PS2 adapter is fully mated together, too.

The SK7500 IR receiver wants the maximum current- some recent vintage motherboards may not supply enough current. I have never had a problem with my SK7500's on any motherboard I've owned, AFAIK.

Ubuntu won't work with a serial mouse (DB9 connected to COM1/2 on your motherboard) of any kind out of the box- you need to manually enable a serial port mouse

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-23926.html

If you can't get the SK7500 mouse to work over PS2, you might want to try the serial mouse route on Ubuntu.

You might have a defective keyboard or IR receiver, too.

If your PS2 port works with other PS2 mice, you might need to RMA your SK7500, but you should try the SK7500 on a couple of other PC's of differing makes/models/vintages to be sure. Be sure to use fresh alkaline batteries in the keyboard- rechargeables might be a factor. The SK7500 lasts a long time on good quality fresh alkalines.

rgb, thanks for the comprehensive assistance.

I assume you are connecting the SK7500's mouse connector to the PC's PS2 mouse port using the included DB9 serial -> PS2 adapter?

Correct. And its plugged into the correct mouse port - it works fine with a wired PS/2 mouse.

Make sure the DB9 serial->PS2 adapter is fully mated together, too.

Yep, checked that.

If you can't get the SK7500 mouse to work over PS2, you might want to try the serial mouse route on Ubuntu.

You might have a defective keyboard or IR receiver, too.

If your PS2 port works with other PS2 mice, you might need to RMA your SK7500, but you should try the SK7500 on a couple of other PC's of differing makes/models/vintages to be sure. Be sure to use fresh alkaline batteries in the keyboard- rechargeables might be a factor. The SK7500 lasts a long time on good quality fresh alkalines.

It does work with other PS2 mice, and I'm just using the fresh (?) batteries that came with the keyboard. The keyboard works fine, and when I toggle the mouse-stick the "data" light on the IR receiver blinks, so it is getting a signal from the SK7500.

Perhaps it is a power issue with the mobo, I'll see if I can find another PC to test with.

thanks again!

/GregoryK

My "mouse not working" problem is fixed ... turns out a reboot of the box is all that was needed to get the mousestick working. :o

Thanks for the advice!

I received a PI Engineering Y-Mouse USB yesterday and tested it this morning with the SK7500 IR receiver.

http://www.piengineering.com/ymouse/whym271.php

It appears to work perfectly!

No need to even power down the machine- just plug in the PS2 keyboard and serial->PS2 mouse cables from the SK7500 IR receiver into the Y-mouse, and plug into a USB port. Mouse and keyboard work perfectly. The keyboard works fine during bootup in the BIOs screen, too- be sure to enable USB keyboard support in your BIOs first.

To reiterate, I tried several cheap PS2->USB converters (Belkin, Radio Shack), and they wouldn't work with the SK7500's mouse on the IR receiver.

Just a heads up-I bought several from surplusgizmos.com, found on a Google Product search-
http://www.surplusgizmos.com/Y-Mouse-MouseKeyboard-USB-to-Dual-PS2-Adapter_p_1581.html

Only two left, less than half the price everywhere else on the net. No reflection on the product- just lucky that a surplus site got a hold of a few. They are brand new in the box, a pro-grade product.

If you plan to use the Airboard SK7100 or SK7500 IR receiver and may need USB, this is basically your only choice.

Programming a JP1 compatible remote (One for All and clones/compatibles) with Airboard (SK7100 and SK7500) keystroke commands-

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Programming_Remotes_as_Keyboards

What is JP1?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP1_remote

http://www.hifi-remote.com/forums/index.php

Once you learn the Jedi ways of JP1, you can program yourself a Harmony-killer for $30 or much less, brand new ;)

I may have found the dream mini-form factor IR keyboard/mouse-

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/electronics/detail-page/B000S6R93C-1_large.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000S6R93C

Could be made to work with lirc...

So... you want a wireless keyboard just to train a learning remote? But not actually use it as a keyboard? Hopefully someone else can help you with that.

But, if you're looking for a keyboard to actually use, I highly recommend the Adesso WKB-3000UB. Right now they're $61 from Amazon.

I have two of them and LOVE them.

Their layout is perfect. The built-in optical trackball sits right under your right thumb, and there's a L-click button on the right-back edge for your trigger-finger. On the left-back edge is a scroll wheel, right where your left index finger lands when holding the keyboard. The keys are not that nice - They're a little cramped, and don't have a nice feel to them. But for mousing around HTPC's, this is a great mini keyboard.


Does this keyboard work through the walls? My HTPC is in a room about 50 feet away and I would like to use this keyboard on my plasma monitor

For the record, I think the SK7500 linked above is an excellent keyboard to actually use/type/mouse with.

The ability to teach a learning IR remote it's keystrokes and/or program a JP1 remote with its IR codes is a bonus ;)

I love my Gyration --> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823172015

Some buttons on the remote aren't working in linux yet, tho' (pgup/pgdn and jumps)

Well.... originally I was going to work on a MythTV box. That is on the back burner and now I am looking at the best way to connect my laptop, having modeline issues with HDMI (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1120906), but S-video works ... but back to this thread....

If I am going to buy the SK-7500 (http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/sk7500wireless.html) I will now need a ps/2 to usb adapter to connect to the laptop. As mentioned earlier in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15701835#post15701835) there are some issues with the cheap adapters but not sure I am willing to pay twice the price for an adapter (http://www.xkeys.com/ymouse/whym08.php) then the keyboard :eek:

So I did a bit of searching and I may have figured out why the lower cost adapters work and the higher cost ones do. Looks like the lower cost adapters only connect the wires to the change the physical connection while the more expensive ones have a chip doing some processing. -- **edit** -- looks like RGB was right about the current draw. Answer Q&A number five also mentions current draw!

See link http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/11298/subcatid/0/id/179740 (second question and answer)

So by that theory something like the StarTech USB2PS2 (http://www.startech.com/item/USB2PS2-USB-to-PS2-Keyboard-and-Mouse-Converter.aspx) should work and can be found for a bit cheaper (http://www.buy.com/prod/Startech-com-PS-2-to-USB-Keyboard-and-Mouse-Converter-1ft/q/loc/101/10268126.html) then y-mouse. Also the converter listed second (part #USB-PS2) on this page (http://www.vpi.us/usb-ps2.html) should also work.

***EDIT***
I think I found the adapter listed here (http://www.clickykeyboards.com/index.cfm/fa/items.main/parentcat/11298/subcatid/0/id/179740) for sale cheaper here (http://www.universalpart.com/PS2-Keyboard-And-Mouse-To-USB-Adapter_item_4039.html), here (http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/SearchDetail.asp?productID=10134), here (http://cableorganizer.com/outlet/EFL-1040444.html?section=4&catname=Computer+]+Computer+Cable+Adapters), and here (http://www.x-tremegeek.com/templates/SearchDetail.asp?productID=10134) $7.47 is the cheapest:D (plus shipping)

The ziotek website is here (http://www.ziotek.com/Templates/SearchDetail.asp?productID=10134)
***END EDIT ***


What do you think? Could that explain why the cheap converters don't work and why the Y-mouse does?

Let me know how the SK-7500 keyboard works out. That looks like the perfect one for me.

Let me know how the SK-7500 keyboard works out. That looks like the perfect one for me.

After over 10 years of using them, I don't think there's anything else to "work out" ;)

Just buy one.

What do you think? Could that explain why the cheap converters don't work and why the Y-mouse does?

I think we established its the current draw.

Yes, the Pi Engineering unit has a chip that translates the mouse/keyboard into standard HID-compliant I/O. You probably want an adapter that mentions "HID".

I think all these dual PS2-USB adapters have a chip in them for the conversion. It's just that most assume less current draw. The only PS2-USB adapters that probably don't have a chip in them are the ones that convert a USB mouse or keyboard into PS2, and in this case, the mouse or keyboard has to be designed with this conversion in mind. Usually these adapters are included with USB mice or keyboards and connect on the cable end.

Please report your findings on the Ziotek, StarTech or any other USB-PS2 adapter you test with the SK7500.

It would be nice to know there are low cost alternatives to the Pi Engineering USB-PS2 adapter, even though the Pi unit is excellent quality.

Who grabbed the last two Y-Mouse's at surplusgizmos? ;)

Does anyone know if it is possible to power on the computer using a wireless keyboard? I have a BTC 9019.

Does anyone know if it is possible to power on the computer using a wireless keyboard? I have a BTC 9019.

Yes. Just go into the BIOs on your PC and set it to power up via keyboard. Some allow you to define what key powers up the PC.

This varies from mobo to mobo. Some may not have this option.

Some motherboards have a jumper to provide keyboard power when the PC is "off". This is needed to enable keyboard powerup.

Rgb,

I prefer the SK-7500 over the original SK-7100 Airboard, in physical design and key type.

Is pc keybaords the only source for the SK-7500? I can't find it on ebay or any other internet retailer

Sorry if this is a double post. For some reason, the first one didn't show.

Rgb,



Is pc keybaords the only source for the SK-7500? I can't find it on ebay or any other internet retailer

Sorry if this is a double post. For some reason, the first one didn't show.

Yes,

http://pckeyboards.stores.yahoo.net/sk7500wireless.html

is the only source for the SK-7500 I am aware of in recent years, though Google Product Search just turned up

http://www.ioffer.com/i/PC-CONCEPTS-WIRELESS-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-POINTER-NEW-Sk-7500-28006402

I have never had an issue with the pckeyboards.stores site.

Rgb,

My motherboard (Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H) only has a single PS/2 port (although it does have a COM1 that I could optionally use) that I could connect to the SK-7500.

Is there any downside or upside to using the COM port (assuming Linux as the OS) as opposed to a PS/2->USB adapter?

Rgb,

My motherboard (Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H) only has a single PS/2 port (although it does have a COM1 that I could optionally use) that I could connect to the SK-7500.

Is there any downside or upside to using the COM port (assuming Linux as the OS) as opposed to a PS/2->USB adapter?

I am looking at (eventually) getting the same motherboard and was actually curious about this same issue. I was thinking of trying to use the PS/2 port for the keyboard portion of the SK-7500 and a PS/2 to USB adaptor for the "mouse". I don't actually own either :o but hope to this by this fall :D

I would be grateful if you post back and let us know how it worked with this specific motherboard!

Thanks!

Rgb,

My motherboard (Gigabyte GA-E7AUM-DS2H) only has a single PS/2 port (although it does have a COM1 that I could optionally use) that I could connect to the SK-7500.

Is there any downside or upside to using the COM port (assuming Linux as the OS) as opposed to a PS/2->USB adapter?

The mouse pointer on the SK-7500 receiver works fine via COM serial port. Be aware that popular distros like Ubuntu don't automatically support serial mice- you need to enable COM port mice manually.

See

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15649710&postcount=22

Hey,

I'm getting ready to add an OTA DVR to my setup (since DirecTV still isn't broadcasting my locals in HD). I'm playing around with an existing PC and have installed Mythbuntu 9.04. I wanted to use a Hauppauge HVR-2250 for the dual tuners, but couldn't get Linux to see it correctly. I'll wait for Linux drivers. Anyway, I installed a Hauppauge HVR-1250 and set up Myth to test things out before committing the money on the real thing. It works like a charm......almost. There's ALWAYS an almost :D

I can't get the remote to work. I've searched the web and everything seems to point to NO Linux drivers - for the card, yes, for the remote NO. I have a Logitech Harmony One that I'm currently using with my setup. Is the "IR keyboard -> learning remote" thing the way to go on this?

I value you guys' opinions. You've been doing this stuff longer than me.

The remote will work fine, it's the IR receiver that won't work. You can get an IR receiver that will work for a few bucks.

I have the receiver/blaster from the 2250. I plugged it in and when I press a button, the blaster lights up. However Myth doesn't respond at all.

Do Hauppauge receivers just not work with Linux?

Where could I find a reasonably priced IR receiver?

Thanks again.

I have the receiver/blaster from the 2250. I plugged it in and when I press a button, the blaster lights up. However Myth doesn't respond at all.

Do Hauppauge receivers just not work with Linux?

Where could I find a reasonably priced IR receiver?

Thanks again.

search on ebay for HP media center IR receivers, they are known to work fine with Linux and with the Harmony remote. Should be around 10-12 bucks.

Ah. USB. I was looking for something with a 2.5mm plug to go into the card. I see a few places, including ebay that has the HP receiver.

Thanks again.

If you've got a serial port on the PC, this one works fine for me as well.

http://tekgems.com/Products/tg-pbr.htm

Hey,

I'm getting ready to add an OTA DVR to my setup ...

I can't get the remote to work. ....

The HDHomerun has a built-in IR receiver. ;)

HP MEDIA CENTER USB IR INFRARED RECEIVER 5188-1667 - $10.

$9 for shipping:eek:

Other choices were $15 w/ free shipping from Hong Kong: 12 - 16 days to the USA.

I should have this by Wednesday. My HTPC is starting to come together. I'll be checking the forums for best mobo.

Thanks again.

HP MEDIA CENTER USB IR INFRARED RECEIVER
I should have this by Wednesday. My HTPC is starting to come together. I'll be checking the forums for best mobo.

Thanks again.

No need to go trawling forums, it's all here:
The Five Best Linux HTPC Motherboards (http://www.linuxtech.net/features/best_linux_htpc_motherboards.html)

The mouse pointer on the SK-7500 receiver works fine via COM serial port.

Thanks for the tips. Keyboard is working fine in ubuntu 9.04 w/the COM port.

I would be grateful if you post back and let us know how it worked with this specific motherboard!

Working great so far. I was able to find a used SK-7500 on eBay and I connected via the COM: port. Working nice so far, except that when I log out of gnome/kde, I lose access to the mouse portion of the keyboard.

Now on to getting my iMon LCD and remote to work with ubuntu.

Moved to here - I figured it was a new topic.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1178732

Tomlin

Well I finally got around to purchasing the SK-7500. Plugged it into my old computer and it works great! I hope to verify that my remote can learn the signals from it this weekend.

Only thing to work out is how to connect the mouse to my new motherboard.

The motherboard I have for the HTPC (Asus P5N7A-VM) has one keyboard/mouse ps2 port, a bunch of usb ports, and to get serial you need to purchase a connector to the motherboard. So as I see it I have three options

1) Don't use the mouse on the SK-7500 and use a usb pointing device

Pros:
a) Easy
b) Can use extra mouse on future computers with USB ports

Cons:
a) Lame setup!
b) Cost of mouse
c) Extra item to loose
d) Not as convenient


2) Use a ps2 usb converter as mentioned earlier in this thread

Pros:
a) Easy setup
b) Can use on any new computers with USB ports

Cons:
a) Cost of converter
b) Not sure if cheaper converters will work (as mentioned in this thread)
c) Kind of lame setup with converting from serial to ps2 to usb


3) Use serial port on computer

Pros:
a) clean setup, no external adapters

Cons:
a) Hard to setup?? With Ubuntu 9.10 looks like it work differently the previous versions
b) May need to re-setup for every major upgrade
c) Cost of connector
d) Would only work in future if new motherboard had serial available on the motherboard.
e) Loss of a pci slot (not that big a deal)

Any thoughts on the best way to go?

Another option that may work, but I have not tested, is a serial to USB convertor cable

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311&cs_id=1031104&p_id=3726&seq=1&format=2

cheaper than the mobo serial port bracket!?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812191092&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Adapters+and+gender+changers-_-SIIG++Inc-_-12191092

and much less cost than a high power capable PS2-USB adapter.

So, the USB-serial cable may be the lowest cost method without taking any slots on your PC.

I tested the monoprice USB-serial cable above with a serial port version of the 3d Connexion Spaceball 5000 controller under Ubuntu 8.04 without issue.

http://www.pacificgeek.com/product.asp?id=845786

Serial mouse HOWTO
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto

I would get the serial bracket, you can get it cheaper on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Motherboard-Com-Port-Serial-Ribbon-Cable-bracket-PC-NEW_W0QQitemZ260512992306QQ

Else ask at some local computer repair store, they might salvage one for you from some old scrapped computer for free.

OK Couple of things to report.

I called up Pckeyboard.com and asked about usb adapters for the SK-7000.

Jim was very nice and helpful. He hadn't heard of motherboards with only one ps2 port (neither had I until recently) and said he didn't have any official recomendations. BUT he did say he had a couple USB/ps2 adapters which he had used and worked for him. They are:

Kingwin UPS2C (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812107701)

IOGear GUC10KM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812107901)

Bytecc BT-2000 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812101117)

They are all fairly inexpensive and don't seem "special" in any way!?! I havn't been able to determine a common factor except they say they are all for both Windows and Mac.

I didn't mention Linux as that typically makes people stutter and say "Linux isn't supported" :rolleyes:

I was able to borrow a couple of peices of equipment to try out tonight. First was a simple ps2 to USB adapter. About 1.5" lg, female ps2 on one end male USB on the other end. As expected it didn't work (Try the simple solution first)

I then was able to borrow a serial to USB adapter per Rgb's suggestion. WORKED FLAWLESSLY!!! The part number on it is U232-P9 and I think this is the brand

http://www.mct.com.tw/web_c/html/products_Show.asp?CID=000100010001&MenuCID=0001&Page=1&PID=18

Next step is to see if there is anything special about this USB adapter (not thinking there is) and buy one for myself!

I am using this keyboard currently and it works very well with a couple of minor gripes.

1) No scroll. I knew this going in and it will not be a big deal for it's final use, but websurfing is painful for me without scroll :D
2) The left Fn key and the Ctrl key need to be switched.... I keep hitting the Fn key when I try to cut and paste.
3) For some reason my mind wants the upper right most key (pause/break) to be the delete key. Probably just a personal problem :p


On the plus side, the typing is very good, good key spacing, good balance, good weight (feels solid but not heavy) and easy to hold on to when using the mouse stick.

I think I'll keep it :D

Else ask at some local computer repair store, they might salvage one for you from some old scrapped computer for free.

I was going to suggest this- you tend to collect a drawer full over the years building PC's ;)

OK Couple of things to report.

I called up Pckeyboard.com and asked about usb adapters for the SK-7000.

Jim was very nice and helpful. He hadn't heard of motherboards with only one ps2 port (neither had I until recently) and said he didn't have any official recomendations. BUT he did say he had a couple USB/ps2 adapters which he had used and worked for him. They are:

Kingwin UPS2C (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812107701)

IOGear GUC10KM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812107901)

Bytecc BT-2000 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812101117)

They are all fairly inexpensive and don't seem "special" in any way!?! I havn't been able to determine a common factor except they say they are all for both Windows and Mac.

I didn't mention Linux as that typically makes people stutter and say "Linux isn't supported" :rolleyes:

I was able to borrow a couple of peices of equipment to try out tonight. First was a simple ps2 to USB adapter. About 1.5" lg, female ps2 on one end male USB on the other end. As expected it didn't work (Try the simple solution first)

I then was able to borrow a serial to USB adapter per Rgb's suggestion. WORKED FLAWLESSLY!!! The part number on it is U232-P9 and I think this is the brand

http://www.mct.com.tw/web_c/html/products_Show.asp?CID=000100010001&MenuCID=0001&Page=1&PID=18

Next step is to see if there is anything special about this USB adapter (not thinking there is) and buy one for myself!

I am using this keyboard currently and it works very well with a couple of minor gripes.

1) No scroll. I knew this going in and it will not be a big deal for it's final use, but websurfing is painful for me without scroll :D
2) The left Fn key and the Ctrl key need to be switched.... I keep hitting the Fn key when I try to cut and paste.
3) For some reason my mind wants the upper right most key (pause/break) to be the delete key. Probably just a personal problem :p


On the plus side, the typing is very good, good key spacing, good balance, good weight (feels solid but not heavy) and easy to hold on to when using the mouse stick.

I think I'll keep it :D

Great report!

Can't believe I didn't think to call pckeyboards.com myself and ask what PS2-USB adapters they have tested and/or recommended!?

Good to know there are other low cost alternatives- I assume the guy at pckeyboards tested both the keyboard *and* mouse capability with those PS2 adapters.

Good to know the serial-USB method works, too. Which distro did you use to test the serial-USB method? Did you have to manually enable serial mouse support?

re: no scroll wheel- that's what PgUp and PgDown and arrow keys were invented for ;)

Another workaround- configure the mouse to do Autoscroll in Firefox Preferences, then enable middle mouse button emulation per
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/a-keyboard-shortcut-to-do-the-same-thing-as-the-middle-mouse-button-paste-649868/

in your xorg.conf, pressing L&R buttons = Middle button press
Code:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Mouse0"
Driver "mouse"
Option "Protocol" "auto"
Option "Device" "/dev/psaux"
Option "Emulate3Buttons" "yes"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection

Then, pressing both keyboard mouse buttons will enable Autoscrolling in Firefox- a little tricky to get used to, but it works.

If someone knows how to assign a keyboard key to act as a middle mouse button, that would work with Autoscroll also.

Good to know there are other low cost alternatives- I assume the guy at pckeyboards tested both the keyboard *and* mouse capability with those PS2 adapters.

He actually only tried both keyboard and mouse. He thought that you HAD to plug in both to the adapter to make it work, although it didn't sound like he actually tried anything different. And under normal conditions why would you! :)


Good to know the serial-USB method works, too. Which distro did you use to test the serial-USB method? Did you have to manually enable serial mouse support?


I am using ubuntu 9.04 and didn't have do do anything manual. Connected the serial end first then shoved it in the USB port and the mouse just worked. :D:D


re: no scroll wheel- that's what PgUp and PgDown and arrow keys were invented for ;)


Good to know! I will probably stick with this workaround for now, nice and easy for me.

I am using ubuntu 9.04 and didn't have do do anything manual. Connected the serial end first then shoved it in the USB port and the mouse just worked. :D:D

.

Just to verify- you connected the IR receiver DB9 serial connector to a USB-DB9 serial adapter, right? (i.e. not with a PS2 connector)

Just to verify- you connected the IR receiver DB9 serial connector to a USB-DB9 serial adapter, right? (i.e. not with a PS2 connector)

That is correct!

That is correct!

Awesome! It appears Ubuntu 9.04 recognizes serial mice, per your testing. Looks like the manual xorg editing may not be needed any longer...

Awesome! It appears Ubuntu 9.04 recognizes serial mice, per your testing. Looks like the manual xorg editing may not be needed any longer...

Not sure about that... To try and confirm this, today on my current computer I used the available serial port and restarted with the SK-7500 plugged into the serial port and it did not automatically recognize it. I then unplugged from the serial port without rebooting (yeah yeah I know your not *supposed* to do that) and then plugged in the serial to USB adapter and it worked immediately. I didn't try at all to get the direct serial connection to work or to verify that the hardware is still working but I do know it did work at one time (used it with an old Garmin GPS quite a while back)

Not sure what magic is in the adapter but somehow that works and directly to the serial port does not (at least for me and my computer)

but I do know it did work at one time (used it with an old Garmin GPS quite a while back)

Not sure what magic is in the adapter but somehow that works and directly to the serial port does not (at least for me and my computer)

Open a terminal and type

lsusb

and report the results with the serial-USB adapter you a re using. I want to see the exact model/chip details.

Open a terminal and type

lsusb

and report the results with the serial-USB adapter you a re using. I want to see the exact model/chip details.

northbear@northbear-desktop:~$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 002: ID 0711:0230 Magic Control Technology Corp. MCT-232 Serial Port
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub



Obviously the adapter is the first line. This is without the SK-7500 plugged in.

Ordered the serial adapter from monoprice

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311&cs_id=1031104&p_id=3726&seq=1&format=2

Will let you all know how it works when I receive it!

Ordered the serial adapter from monoprice

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=103&cp_id=10311&cs_id=1031104&p_id=3726&seq=1&format=2

Will let you all know how it works when I receive it!

Do a dmesg in a terminal with the USB-serial adapter and report output- should be something like this

serial support registered for FTDI USB Serial Device
[67681.419686] ftdi_sio 2-5:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[67681.419703] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio.c: Detected FT8U232AM
[67681.419777] usb 2-5: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[67681.419785] usbcore: registered new interface driver ftdi_sio
[67681.419788] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio.c: v1.4.3:USB FTDI Serial Converters Driver

3) For some reason my mind wants the upper right most key (pause/break) to be the delete key. Probably just a personal problem :p


Figured out what the issue is here. My wife's laptop has the delete key in the upper right corner so I am sure that is my "problem" :D

Do a dmesg in a terminal with the USB-serial adapter and report output- should be something like this

serial support registered for FTDI USB Serial Device
[67681.419686] ftdi_sio 2-5:1.0: FTDI USB Serial Device converter detected
[67681.419703] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio.c: Detected FT8U232AM
[67681.419777] usb 2-5: FTDI USB Serial Device converter now attached to ttyUSB0
[67681.419785] usbcore: registered new interface driver ftdi_sio
[67681.419788] /build/buildd/linux-2.6.24/drivers/usb/serial/ftdi_sio.c: v1.4.3:USB FTDI Serial Converters Driver

Will do when I receive it!

OK here is the dmesg for the original working usb serial adapter
[ 1872.820029] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 9
[ 1873.779942] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 1873.788330] input: MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.3/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/input/input9
[ 1873.832249] generic-usb 0003:0711:0231.0005: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor] on usb-0000:00:02.3-1/input0



So far the new one from Monoprice doesn't seem to work :(

lsusb gives

Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0461:4d03 Primax Electronics, Ltd Kensington Mouse-in-a-box
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

and dmesg gives

[ 1147.812022] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 8
[ 1148.025081] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 1148.056842] pl2303 2-1:1.0: pl2303 converter detected
[ 1148.118073] usb 2-1: pl2303 converter now attached to ttyUSB0



If I plug in the MCT adaptor without it being plugged into the SK-7500 dmesg gives:

[ 2350.000083] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 10
[ 2350.964346] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2350.965879] mct_u232 2-1:1.0: MCT U232 converter detected
[ 2350.965997] usb 2-1: MCT U232 converter now attached to ttyUSB0

and if I try to plug the SK-7500 it does not seem to work.

Unplug the usb and plug back in (with SK-7500 connected) it works again. dmesg gives

[ 2463.319830] usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 10
[ 2463.322575] mct_u232 ttyUSB0: MCT U232 converter now disconnected from ttyUSB0
[ 2463.322597] mct_u232 2-1:1.0: device disconnected
[ 2472.260042] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 11
[ 2473.215527] usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[ 2473.223263] input: MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.3/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0/input/input10
[ 2473.268201] generic-usb 0003:0711:0231.0006: input,hidraw1: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor] on usb-0000:00:02.3-1/input0



Looking at this (and keep in mind I have no idea what I am talking about :eek::eek:) Looks like the MCT has a "USB HID v1.10 Mouse [MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor]" built into it which is why it automagicly works?!?

I think I could probably get the monoprice adaptor to work via the standard serial mouse method, but it is not automatic like the MCT adaptor.

Sorry for the rambling post. I am posting as I am testing :p

**Edit** the adaptor sold by monoprice is iocrest sy-ada15006 (http://www.iocrest.com/products.php?SY-ADA15006&osCsid=2da973f9cc6534c6e72bcf1b13f2dc94)

Looking at this (and keep in mind I have no idea what I am talking about :eek::eek:) Looks like the MCT has a "USB HID v1.10 Mouse [MCT Corp. Serial Mouse Adaptor]" built into it which is why it automagicly works?!?

I think I could probably get the monoprice adaptor to work via the standard serial mouse method, but it is not automatic like the MCT adaptor.

Sorry for the rambling post. I am posting as I am testing :p

**Edit** the adaptor sold by monoprice is iocrest sy-ada15006 (http://www.iocrest.com/products.php?SY-ADA15006&osCsid=2da973f9cc6534c6e72bcf1b13f2dc94)

This is what I suspected, that the non-monoprice serial adapter had HID-compliant mouse conversion built in.

Let us know if the standard serial mouse method works, using the Ubuntu serial mouse HOWTO, using the ttyUSB0 port.

This is what I suspected, that the non-monoprice serial adapter had HID-compliant mouse conversion built in.

Let us know if the standard serial mouse method works, using the Ubuntu serial mouse HOWTO, using the ttyUSB0 port.

If I get a chance I will do so. Right now it is lower on the priority list as I am busy with other (non htpc) items. Also I am able to borrow the other cable indefinitely at this point, so there are other challenges to tackle before this. That being said I don't see why it wouldn't work.

Kewl new (to me) Lenovo mini HTPC keybaord/trackball-

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=57Y6336&current-category-id=E9ADAEB6787146E29B78400A33E7FE8A&hide_menu_area=yes


...could be a game changer if functionality is there, given it's price, though the lack of F1-F12 keys is a liability :(

Kewl new Lenovo mini HTPC keybaord/trackball-

http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/web/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:item.detail?GroupID=38&Code=57Y6336&current-category-id=E9ADAEB6787146E29B78400A33E7FE8A&hide_menu_area=yes


...could be a game changer if functionality is there, given it's price, though the lack of F1-F12 keys is a liability :(
This looks like a decent option, though the lack of backlight might be a sticking point for some. I've seen this consistently as low as $36 over the last few months, so keep an eye out for a bargain.

This looks like a decent option, though the lack of backlight might be a sticking point for some. I've seen this consistently as low as $36 over the last few months, so keep an eye out for a bargain.

Does this Lenovo media keyboard have right/left mouse buttons under the index finger when grasped, i.e. the underside of the unit?

If the only mouse buttons are on top, then another strike against it, but for $36, I'd prolly give it a whirl...

The reviews I've read indicate that it doesn't, though I've yet to try it in person. One user indicated that it's a bit of a pain having to position the trackball and then move his thumb to click.

For the price and functionality, though, I'm just waiting for a deal to come back around. Ergonomically, it seems to be flawed, but it does what it should, and I haven't seen overwhelmingly bad reviews. Plus, I'm easier to please than most. :D

I have a link to some discussion, but it's on a deals site, so I'm not sure it would be appropriate to post here.

To follow up, apply coupon code USPCMY36336 to get this for $36.

To follow up, apply coupon code USPCMY36336 to get this for $36.

Which deal site and/or store- just names, no need for linx...

Which deal site and/or store- just names, no need for linx...
That coupon can be applied at the link you provided to the Lenovo site.

There is considerable discussion of this product taking place right now at Slickdeals.net

This looks like a decent option, though the lack of backlight might be a sticking point for some. I've seen this consistently as low as $36 over the last few months, so keep an eye out for a bargain.

count me as someone that would jump if it was backlit, but actually managing to resist a new gadget without.

It has been on sale very frequently lately. (edit: I keep hoping that's so they can clear stock to make way for the backlit version :) )

. (edit: I keep hoping that's so they can clear stock to make way for the backlit version :) )


...with index finger "trigger" mouse buttons and F-keys ;)

YAMMC (Yet another mini media keyboard)-

http://www.deal-cool.com/Product/24G-Wireless-Mini-Keyboard-with-Touchpad.htm?gclid=CI_Zz-Gq4aECFQ8MDQod5DajHw

Interesting, good price, backlit.

But only F1-F8!? And goofy trackpad with badly placed mouse buttons?

/rant on
It seems every promising mini media keyboard has one or more fatal flaws- cost, no F-keys, nobacklight, bad ergonomic design. When will SOMEONE get it right!!!
/rant off

This unit could be great if it had F1-F12 and a trackball on the right and mouse buttons with scroll wheel on the left...

YAMMC (Yet another mini media keyboard)-

http://www.deal-cool.com/Product/24G-Wireless-Mini-Keyboard-with-Touchpad.htm?gclid=CI_Zz-Gq4aECFQ8MDQod5DajHw

Interesting, good price, backlit.

But only F1-F8!? And goofy trackpad with badly placed mouse buttons?

/rant on
It seems every promising mini media keyboard has one or more fatal flaws- cost, no F-keys, nobacklight, bad ergonomic design. When will SOMEONE get it right!!!
/rant off

This unit could be great if it had F1-F12 and a trackball on the right and mouse buttons with scroll wheel on the left...

yeah, this one hit slickdeals a few months ago... it was odd.. it seems some "name" company picked it up and started selling (rebranded) but the old noname was still out there, but LOL, they all jacked their prices up within 2-3 days to match :)

I waffled and probably would've bought in at ~$40, but it shot up to ~$70 and now back to mid $50s.

But I find it more compelling (but alas also more expensive) than the Lenovo one (it has backlight and I hate trackballs)

EDIT: I still am ashamed for having allowed the thought of "I don't really need this" to have delayed my purchase.

EDIT2: tomtop is the place that had the no name version.. they also have this beastie: http://www.tomtop.com/portable-2-4g-wireless-office-mini-keyboard-with-tracking-ball_p11377.html

EDIT2: tomtop is the place that had the no name version.. they also have this beastie: http://www.tomtop.com/portable-2-4g-wireless-office-mini-keyboard-with-tracking-ball_p11377.html

That Tom Tom site keyboard one looks really interesting, but the F11 and F12 are hidden on the F1, F2 keys, and the PgUp/Dn keys are also hidden on the arrown keys, all requiring the Fn key to use. PgUp/Dn are important for page navigation when the scroll wheel doesn't suit.

It sounds like we are afflicted with the same gadet-itis ;)

We like to try out this stuff, with the unfortunate side effect of accumulating an excess over time, and sometimes getting burned with bad designs ;)

I keep going back to my trusty SK7500 IR board- it still has the best battery life, reliability and versatility of any RF/IR board I've tried.

However, for certain cases I'd like an RF board (range, non-line of sight, trackball and scroll wheel capabilities), so I bought the IO Gear 2.4Ghz with optical trackball and scroll wheel months ago-

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002H0BOBA/?tag=mall02-20

I like optical trackballs, and wanted a real mouse scroll wheel. Also great price on the IO Gear, and respected brand.

Build quality is generally good, but the side rubber "bumper" trim adhesive let go recently due to simple heat from my hands over time. No big deal, but bad design choice. Also, battery life appears short vs the SK7500, though I beleive it's the batteries that were in the box but I'll have to double check.

This IO Gear appears functionally equivalent to the Adesso optical/scroll wheel RF board-

http://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Multimedia-optical-Trackball-2-4GHZ/dp/B000JJM7S0

but costs less. I'd like to try the Adesso now that I 've held it in my hands at a local retailer- better ergonomics/grip and no trim to fall off ;)

MSI's Mini HTPC Keyboard with Motion Sensing Mousing

http://www.everythingusb.com/msi-air-keyboard-18533.html

Interesting, but I don't agree with the accelerometer concept, requiring constant tilting of the whole keyboard to navigate with the mouse.

However, it's the form factor, size and ergonomic design I've been looking for, but...

NO F-keys! Backlight? Optical trackball+scrollwheel or pointer stick+scroll wheel?

...all these mfg's keep dancing around the *perfect* design and NEVER getting it right!? :(

...another version of that MSI accelerometer board with better pictures:

Cideko Air Keyboard Wireless Media Keyboard & Gyro Mouse for HTPC, PC, Mac & PS3

http://www.amazon.com/Cideko-Keyboard-Wireless-Media-Mouse/dp/B0030UJK2G

I would buy it yesterday if it had a trackball+scroll wheel or pointer stick+scroll wheel, F-keys and backlighting.

...at least it appears the mini HTPC keyboard market is heating up, thanks in part to Logitech's diNovo Mini kinda kick starting it.

Hopefully more designs and IR options will hit the streets, so at least *one* should hit my "secret formula" ;)

What illuminated back lite wireless keyboard options are available out there ?
I"m having a hard time finding any

What illuminated back lite wireless keyboard options are available out there ?
I"m having a hard time finding any

Join the club ;)

I've been on that Quest for over a decade. I think it's coming soon.

At the moment, one of the only options is the Logitech diNono mini-
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848

however, it's too pricey, missing F-keys, and has other issues- a recent Google search tells me a lot of people are abandoning it after using it for some time.

I think ~$50-$80 mini wireless keyboards with backlight will finally hit late this year or early next. It appears the market for mini wireless keyboards is finally heating up.

Another option for lighted keys is to use glow in the dark keycap stickers-

http://www.glow-key.com/gkproducts.htm

http://www.myglowkeys.com/

I have a set- work well enough if you setup an area or closed box with light (dark theater) to "recharge" the stickers when not in use.

I'm not looking for a mini full size keyboard will be fine just needs to be back

So what options do I have it a full size ?


Join the club ;)

I've been on that Quest for over a decade. I think it's coming soon.

At the moment, one of the only options is the Logitech diNono mini-
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848

however, it's too pricey, missing F-keys, and has other issues- a recent Google search tells me a lot of people are abandining it after using it for some time.

I think ~$50-$80 mini wireless keyboards with backlight will finally hit late this year or early next. It appears the market for mini wireless keyboards is finally heating up.

I am not aware of any fullsize illuminated wireless keyboards, either.

I'm not looking for a mini full size keyboard will be fine just needs to be back

So what options do I have it a full size ?

It appears the Logitech diNovo Edge is illuminated, though vastly overpriced-

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192

http://blogs.amd.com/home/2009/08/05/remote-1/

More recent discussion on HTPC kb's here

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1168538

Two interesting boards:

http://www.ergogeek.com/perixx-periboard-710-2-4-ghz-super-mini-wireless-keyboard-with-built-in-touchpad.html

Good ole' IR
http://www.ergogeek.com/ione-scorpius-l1-ir-infra-red-slim-multimedia-keyboard-w-built-in-trackball-mouse-ps-2.html

Nice thing about the IR board above is the channel/code DIP switches- the SK7500's IR codes are the same as some of my components which causes the SK7500 to activate functions on other A/V components :(

Lots more boards-

http://www.ergogeek.com/htpc-keyboard-page-2.html

Only the function keys on the Logitech diNovo Edge are illuminated

I'm in the dark with front projection the keys need to be back-lite so i can see what I'm typing

Are any of all the below boards back lite ?



It appears the Logitech diNovo Edge is illuminated, though vastly overpriced-

http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192

http://blogs.amd.com/home/2009/08/05/remote-1/

More recent discussion on HTPC kb's here

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1168538

Motorola Made XBMC Remote Now Available for Presale

http://www.tested.com/news/motorola-made-xbmc-remote-now-available-for-presale/2118/

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/11/04/05/1330202/XBMC-Gets-a-Dedicated-Remote

http://www.pulse-eight.com/store/products/96-motorola-nyxboard-hybrid.aspx

Boxee Remote

http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-DSM-22-Boxee-Remote/dp/B00480OSVK/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301947758&sr=8-1

Two interesting HTPC oriented wireless mini keyboards from iogear

http://www.iogear.com/product/GKM681R/

But this one appears to be the "dream" board I've wanted for over 10 years
http://www.iogear.com/product/GKM571R/

Small, has F keys trackball with both mouse buttons on the opposite side with scroll wheel, BACKLIT keys and protective cover.

The Motorola Nyxboard XBMC Remote and Boxee Remote both look very good to me.. except they lack mouse control. But, for MythTV operations, I don't need mouse. Of the two, I think the XBMC remote is better, as the Boxee doesn't have enough buttons to navigate MythTV common operations.

The ioGear compact keyboard looked really nice too, but after checking the specs it does not appear to be very compact (10"x4")

I was considering the Rii remote: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003UE52ME

But, it doesn't exactly look like a high quality option, so I'm not sure about it.

Currently, for most MythTV stuff, I use the ATI Remote Wonder II. There is a linux kernel driver for it, and the keys can be easily mapped to whatever you want.

I also use a remote control app I made, MythRemote, from my MacBook for wifi control, including keyboard pass-through.

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The ioGear compact keyboard looked really nice too, but after checking the specs it does not appear to be very compact (10"x4")
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I also use a remote control app I made, MythRemote, from my MacBook for wifi control, including keyboard pass-through.


The GKM571R is only
6.25" x 4"

> The GKM571R is only 6.25" x 4"
Okay, that seems like a viable alternative to the diNovo.

The keyboard is used only in the exception cases for me. I want to have access to it, in case I need to enter a URL, password, etc. But, for all other operations I use the normal remote buttons. So, the perfect remote for me would be closer to the Boxee remote, but with some mouse control capability.

The "TivoSlide" remote looks quite good. Full remote keys, plus a slide-out keyboard hidden underneath. It also supports IR for control of the TV: http://www.amazon.com/TiVoSlide-C00240-Keyboard-Remote-Control

And the new version of the Rii, the Rii Mini i6, looks almost perfect. It has the keyboard and mouse controls on one side, and basic IR remote operations on the other: http://briefmobile.com/rii-mini-i6-wireless-keyboard-review

Some touchpad RF keyboards to try-

W-9824
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=W-9824-PB

IPKW250FUSK
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=IPKW250FUSK-PB&cpc=RESX

GearHead KB3800TPW
http://www.pcgearhead.com/wireless-desktop-all.php?PrdID=1003

Logitech K400
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/wireless-touch-keyboard-k400

I bought all the above except the Logitech K400, plus I bought the IOGear GKM681
http://www.iogear.com/product/GKM681R/


Since "touch" is currently "in" due to phone/tablet interfaces, we may as well get used to it, especially those of us partial to trackballs or pointer sticks.

On the bright side, most laptops/netbooks have been using touchpads for years, so I'm getting more used to touchpads myself.

The new "thing" is mutli-touch capability on keyboard/notebook touchpads, recognizing multiple fingers and gestures for specific functions- a nice development on the commodity touchpads.

The GKM681 was on sale at Microcenter for $29.95 two weeks ago- may still be that price, at least walk-in at the store.

Reviews for the GKM681 on amazon complain about range, but it appears acceptable to me in brief testing. I'm impressed with it for the money. Would be perfect it the keys were backlit, but other than that, the design/layout is "perfect" for a mini trackball HTPC RF board- all keys, including F-keys, hardware scroll wheel, well placed mouse buttons, good build quality.

The coolest board of the bunch is
http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?InvtId=IPKW250FUSK-PB&cpc=RESX

I got it Cyber-week for ~$28 free shipping, so I bought on impulse to try it out. The size, integrated rechargable LiOn battery, touchpad, and backlit keys had me intrigued.

It works perfectly in Xubuntu 11.10 out of the box. The backlit keys are excellent and easy to read in a dark theater. The keys are small, but you use this board like a cellphone board, "thumbing" the keys with both thumbs to type, like texting on a smartphone with physical keyboard (slider phones, etc). No, you won't type long prose with it (though you *could*), but that's not what it's for. The touchpad works well, just a tad small surface area wise, though that's the point of this board. The receiver fits into the keyboard and you can carry it in your shirt pocket like a small calculator. Bonus- it has a LED flashlight built in, running off the same liOn battery! Coolest board for HTPC I've tried to date. Includes access to all F-keys F1-F12 via the Fn modifier, so you should be able to go into your BIOS at bootup with this one, though I haven't tried it yet.

I've only played with it for less than an hour, so there could be some downsides, but for $30 shipped, the IPKW250FUSK is the dream ultra-mini HTPC board.

I'm also impressed with the GearHead-
http://www.pcgearhead.com/wireless-desktop-all.php?PrdID=1003

though it doesn't have backlit keys. Range appears very good.

Lots of newfangled mini RF keyboards for HTPC. Appears the media PC mini keyboard explosion/revolution has finally started :D

http://www.meritline.com/2-4-ghz-wireless-mini-keyboard-touchpad-laser-pointer---p-66104.aspx

Love this form factor and functionality, but no mention of backlit keys nor ability to use one of the analog sticks as a mouse (instead of the "air" movement thing, which I don't like):

http://www.meritline.com/cideko-wireless-air-keyboard-mouse-gamepad-combo---p-70986.aspx

http://www.meritline.com/wireless-mini-keyboard-with-built-in-mouse-white---p-74707.aspx

http://www.meritline.com/cideko-wireless-air-keyboard-gyro-mouse-chatting-combo---p-70985.aspx

As close to a TV remote form factor you can get in a keyboard+mouse:

http://www.meritline.com/wireless-mini-keyboard-white---p-74706.aspx

Similar to the geeks.com touchpad board IPKW250FUSK but with trackball, except no backlit keys nor mouse buttons on the left, plus its missing F9-F12:

http://www.meritline.com/2-4-ghz-mini-wireless-keyboard-trackball-mouse---p-67421.aspx?source=nextaghdac&

First long range wireless ("30ft") full size illuminated keyboard with mouse control (trackball) I am aware of-

http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=ECB43001N002

Ridiculously low price given it's size, purported range, trackball, illumination, and touchscreen programmable numeric pad!