I've been around here for quite awhile now and have seen the advent of 1080P and 120hz and LCOS and DLP. So what seems to be holding back plasma from ruling the display world? It gets a better picture, burn-in seems to be no longer a concern, energy use is way down. Is it the weight (caused by the use of glass?), are they really too hot running? Are we brain washed by LCD advertising and bad info from salesmen? Plasmas are really inexpensive now and pretty much the only flat panel choice in the over 55" category. I mean LCD's just have so many drawbacks it's hard to believe they sell so well. Even the latest and greatest from Sony and Samsung have horrible off axis viewing, which alone should be a reason not to buy one.

So what seems to be holding back plasma from ruling the display world?

Probably mostly only the fact that when Joe Average walks in a big-box store, and sees some plasma sets side-by-side with LCDs, the plasmas look dim and soft by comparison.

I know, I know... not a totally fair comparison, the LCDs are set to 'torch' mode. But even still, because Joe Average does not know that.

And I think some ppl are still afraid of burn-in, despite all the assurances that it's no longer an issue.

For me, it's nearly unquestionable that the "pop" (read: BRIGHTNESS) of LCD's coupled with the myths of plasma (largely burn-in) have essentially dealt it the death blow. Knuckle-dragging simpletons (and even some more intellectually advanced consumers) just cannot seem to seperate this one element from overall image quality.

Sony bowing out of plasma a while back and selling millions of LCD's on name alone didn't help either.

I known others here respectfully disagree, but I can't see plasma making it but another generation....MAYBE 2.

I hope I'm wrong though.

James

I agree with everyone above. Also bear in mind, that the sales associates mostly prefer LCD. That has a large influence on their decision making process as well.

Chris

I strolled through a huge electronics store last weekend. The sets were so bright that a large amount of detail in the pictures were lost. Even the plasmas looked hideous and were running even brighter than what I would call "torch mode". Do the idiots who set these TVs up just crank all the bars as high as they will go? sheesh

As far as "plasmas run hot", I don't agree with that. I believe why people think they run "hot" is because the glass on the screen absorbs heat versus the plastic on LCDs do not.

I think plasma TVs in the general public's eyes correlate the term "plasma" to "too expensive". This alone deters people away. I would say most consumers think they still have burn-in problems, too.

All that being said, I don't think plasma is going away any time soon.

See, yet again I find myself outside the mainstream when it comes to the "big box store" experience. At the very outset I thought LCDs looked marginally better at my local Best Buy (that was because I wasn't going into the Magnolia room). The plasmas out in the main area WERE dim, and were also probably earlier models that had a LOT of blockiness to the picture.

When I went back and really took a close look a second time....NONE of the sets looked good to me. The plasmas were all set really really dim. The LCDs were all set to torch mode, which washed out just about any fine detail WITHIN the images. Like, if you were looking at a cel-shaded video game or cartoon, they'd look awesome. But if you're looking at anything with fine detail, forget it. It's totally blown away by "LOOK!! BRIGHT BLUE COLOR AND HERE'S SOME ORANGE TOO!!"

Honestly, I think the big box stores out on the floor do a disservice to BOTH LCDs and Plasmas. But, given the environment, plasmas have the edge.

There's a separate issue to consider, also. More people are, I think, far more familiar with LCD technology in general. Their laptops and flat-panel work computers (and maybe home computers) are all LCDs. LCD technology is in their kid's Gameboy or PSP. It's everywhere and it works fine. Plasma is strange and different and unfamiliar. As such, people being people will generally gravitate towards the known factor when dropping large sums of money.


My dad, for example, just bought on brand and price. Got himself a 32" (or 37"?) Panasonic LCD. It's fine for my folks, but they can do better. LOTS better. It was only "HD ready", too. He did, like, ZERO research on it. And he bought an LCD.

The other thing is that I think LCDs hit the "tipping point" from a volume perspective. There are just way more models to choose from, and that means folks will pretty much just look at that rather than considering alternate technologies.

Plus, I think for whatever reason, people view plasmas as really high-end (which the good ones are -- but so are the LCDs). I watched an episode of Bones recently, shot in 2007, where one of the characters aspires to buy a huge home with a 103" plasma screen. Granted, the writers probably had no idea what they were talking about, but that's kind of the point: if you want to spend tons of money and buy a really pricey high-end picture the first thing people think is "Plasma" apparently. >shrug<

Nobody has mentioned weight. They are noticably heavier and even though most people will not hang them on a wall many think they might someday. I imagine the glass is the major weight culprit. Glass also equals glare which is a legitimate concern even though it can in most cases be overcome. I can't believe most people think plasmas are too expensive. With 1080P's in the $1800 range (50"). It seems like 768P's should sell like hotcakes being priced at $699 for 42" and $899 for 50". but the plasma manufacture just don't advertise enough on TV to the buying public and they allow salesmen to spew information that is just plain incorrect.

There is a local specialty (IE audio and video) store here in Portland, Or that sold CRT/DLP RPTV along with LCD and Plasma that decided to cut out plasmas completely because they felt that plasma was on the way out.
All they sell now are Sony and Toshiba LCDs.
There are other store that have probably done the same.

plasmas use a lot more energy than lcds. This can ad to quite a bit over the course of 3 - 5 years

plasmas use a lot more energy than lcds. This can ad to quite a bit over the course of 3 - 5 years

Yah, the 'green' image thing is a big deal these days. If you're seen as the 'SUV' or 'Hummer' of TV sets, i.e. anti-environment, that is a huge strike against you. Though I do hear plasmas are getting better in this regard.

I personally hate to watch LCDs. Yes, they've improved, but for my tastes and needs nothing can beat a plasma. Unfortunately, I see the beginning of the end for plasmas, too, whether it's due to salespeople steering people that way (which two did to my parents, despite the fact that their viewing habits and room layout have "plasma" written all over them), consumer ignorance, energy consumption, etc. Also, with the economy worldwide going who knows where, I see LCD hanging on as the display type.

This is the reason I urged my parents to pick up their Panasonic 42px80u this past weekend, and why I'm picking up my Pioneer Kuro Elite 151 today. The only room in my house that I could compromise enough to get an LCD is our bedroom, so I'll hold off there. But my Kuro 5010 is moving downstairs into the multi-purpose area, and the 151 will take over family room duties.

I guess only time will tell if now is the right time to buy or not, but before too many unknowns happen/don't happen, I'm going to shore things up here with plasmas.

I too was a subject of the LCD hype over plasma. I owned a 37 inch LG and thought LCD was the only way to go until I saw a properly calibrated Kuro and was completely blown away. Now mind you the Kuro is a tad bit outta my budget, so I purchased a Panny 50" PX80U and have never looked back. The side angle viewing as well as the warmth of the picture just blows the LCD in the woods, and for movies and sports plasma is the way to go IMHO. And yes all the Brick and Morters in my area push the LCD's over the plasmas, thats why I love this forum, for the information and knowledge found here, so when I go to these places and hear the LCD hype I just smile and say, really?

I see television ads for Sony and Sharp LCDs. I've never seen a plasma ad.

I have owned two Elites and two Samsung plasmas and now own a Samsung 950 LCD. I would never own or recommend a plasma again.

A great LCD, like the 950 can be made to look like a Kuro only brighter. The blacks on the 950 melt into the bezel which is enough for me. The images are crisper, whites are white, and you can make the picture as bright as you want. There is no SDE on this set but there is on every plasma. If you can live with the off-axis viewing issues there is no question for me that the LCD is superior

plasmas use a lot more energy than lcds. This can ad to quite a bit over the course of 3 - 5 years

no they don't.

According to CNETs Power Consumption Results (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-3.html?tag=rb_content;rb_mtx),

Lets compare two of the most popular plasmas and LCD's considering you watch TV for 8 hours every single day for an entire year.


The Pioneer PDP-5020FD 50 inch plasma ($91.05 a year)
vs
The Sony KDL-52XBR6 52 inch LCD ($84.38 a year)

The pioneer will cost you a whopping total of $33.35 more in 5 years.

Thats $6.67 a year!!

Is this really even worth mentioning???

I have owned two Elites and two Samsung plasmas and now own a Samsung 950 LCD. I would never own or recommend a plasma again.

A great LCD, like the 950 can be made to look like a Kuro only brighter. The blacks on the 950 melt into the bezel which is enough for me. The images are crisper, whites are white, and you can make the picture as bright as you want. There is no SDE on this set but there is on every plasma. If you can live with the off-axis viewing issues there is no question for me that the LCD is superior

SDE on a 1090p pdp?
Are you sitting 5' from a 60" or similar?

The 950 is quite pricey itself, especially with the recent Kuro price drops.
The off-axis is very bad and there is still sample and hold(or some type of blur) to those who suffer.
So there are pros and cons to every display.
The 950 was a step in the right direction but now they are moving the led's to the sides?

no they don't.

According to CNETs Power Consumption Results (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-3.html?tag=rb_content;rb_mtx),

Lets compare two of the most popular plasmas and LCD's considering you watch TV for 8 hours every single day for an entire year.


The Pioneer PDP-5020FD 50 inch plasma ($91.05 a year)
vs
The Sony KDL-52XBR6 52 inch LCD ($84.38 a year)

The pioneer will cost you a whopping total of $33.35 more in 5 years.

Thats $6.67 a year!!

Is this really even worth mentioning???

See, it's you and your stinkin' facts that are just allowing plasma to hang on and ruin the environment! :) If only everyone would just buy an LCD and use mercury-based CDL's, everything would be just perfect. (snark intended)

I have owned two Elites and two Samsung plasmas and now own a Samsung 950 LCD. I would never own or recommend a plasma again.

A great LCD, like the 950 can be made to look like a Kuro only brighter. The blacks on the 950 melt into the bezel which is enough for me. The images are crisper, whites are white, and you can make the picture as bright as you want. There is no SDE on this set but there is on every plasma. If you can live with the off-axis viewing issues there is no question for me that the LCD is superior

Was this a joke?
SDE on every plasma?
LCD is superior?

no they don't.

According to CNETs Power Consumption Results (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6475_7-6400401-3.html?tag=rb_content;rb_mtx),

Lets compare two of the most popular plasmas and LCD's considering you watch TV for 8 hours every single day for an entire year.


The Pioneer PDP-5020FD 50 inch plasma ($91.05 a year)
vs
The Sony KDL-52XBR6 52 inch LCD ($84.38 a year)

The pioneer will cost you a whopping total of $33.35 more in 5 years.

Thats $6.67 a year!!

Is this really even worth mentioning???

Cold hard facts yes sir:D!

I have owned two Elites and two Samsung plasmas and now own a Samsung 950 LCD. I would never own or recommend a plasma again.

A great LCD, like the 950 can be made to look like a Kuro only brighter. The blacks on the 950 melt into the bezel which is enough for me. The images are crisper, whites are white, and you can make the picture as bright as you want. There is no SDE on this set but there is on every plasma. If you can live with the off-axis viewing issues there is no question for me that the LCD is superior

I really liked the 950 when I spent some time messing with it at Magnolia. I played several BD movies like Dark Knight, The Island, and The Descent (empty store on a week night). I really liked pretty much everything about it but the color wash at even the slightest off axis was unacceptable for a $4k display. We have a sectional and I usually end up laying on my side watching a movie and that would drive me crazy with the 950.

All seem to have their problems but after the cloud and flashlight issues I had with my 52XBR3 and reading so many complaints about the same with other LCD's as well as smearing, blur, etc. I'm ready to give plasma a go. The Kuro Elite's are damn near perfect to my eyes and the Pany 850 is certainly no slouch, especially for the high $2k mark for 58 inches.

Was this a joke?
SDE on every plasma?
LCD is superior?

Chad, no joke, just tough love. As much as I love the Kuro, I wouldn't give up my 950 in trade for a Kuro.

An Elite handily outperforms an XBR8 or a 950 for that matter.

Measurably better blacks. Better color. Better motion. Better off axis viewing.

Better televison.

JAmes

I really liked the 950 when I spent some time messing with it at Magnolia. I played several BD movies like Dark Knight, The Island, and The Descent (empty store on a week night). I really liked pretty much everything about it but the color wash at even the slightest off axis was unacceptable for a $4k display. We have a sectional and I usually end up laying on my side watching a movie and that would drive me crazy with the 950.

All seem to have their problems but after the cloud and flashlight issues I had with my 52XBR3 and reading so many complaints about the same with other LCD's as well as smearing, blur, etc. I'm ready to give plasma a go. The Kuro Elite's are damn near perfect to my eyes and the Pany 850 is certainly no slouch, especially for the high $2k mark for 58 inches.


Completely concur with this. Off axis viewing with either an XBR8 or 950 is simply unpaletable, and they still haven't resolved motion issues....not even close really without the use of interpolation, which looks un-natural to 95% of the population. Let's not even get into the "blooming", with no real solution in sight for that visual cancer until a massive amount of LED's are added to the display at $$$$ cost. As mentioned, the movement of LED's to the side is a performance hoax as they haven't been proven (in that particular capacity anyway) to perform any better than a CCFL back-light.

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised they didn't dump LCD 3 years ago and go full throttle with OLED. With LCD, every year brings another band-aid (or two...or three!) to a tech that has obvious and seemingly undefeatable shortcomings. Clouds, flashlights, high black levels, motion, blooming, off-axis viewing deficiencies, One or more seem to be apparent in ALL current production models in one form or another.

This year's band-aid...wait for it...240hz!!!! Which has been shown to exhibit a marginal effect at best, again, with the introduction of un-natural frame-interpolation. Great.

James

Chad, no joke, just tough love. As much as I love the Kuro, I wouldn't trade it for a 950.

:eek:so what happened??:eek:
did you have an accident??
Could this be the early stages of Alzheimer's disease??
I am getting worried here...

I think of it from a different angle. People have been using LCDs as computer monitors for a long time, especially if you include laptops. Most are very comfortable with LCDs, which means people are more likely to buy an LCD when they shop for a TV. Furthermore, LCDs have been the only choice for smaller size flat panel, which means people "moving up" to a larger TV would be more inclined to buy an LCD, as they owned an LCD TV before. Also, the older plasmas were EDTV or had weird resolution (1024x768 in a 16:9 setting), which made people who wanted to use their TV occasionally for PC avoid them.

SDE on a 1090p pdp?
Are you sitting 5' from a 60" or similar?

The 950 is quite pricey itself, especially with the recent Kuro price drops.
The off-axis is very bad and there is still sample and hold(or some type of blur) to those who suffer.
So there are pros and cons to every display.
The 950 was a step in the right direction but now they are moving the led's to the sides?

Off-axis is terrible as you suggest, but that's not an issue for me as I view directly.

The 950 LCD isn't for everyone especially the purists here. But you can dial this in so that the average person here couldn't tell the difference between it and Kuro if you covered the nameplates. Yet, you still have the ability to crank up the brightness. As far as SDE, I can stick my face a foot away and see virtually nothing on the 950, yet see it all day long on any plasma.

so what happened??
did you have an accident??

How about a revelation? :D

How about a revelation? :D

I think we all need to plan an intervention.

An Exorcism may be nessesary.

We must cast out these demons.

omeletpants shits up every plasma thread with his LCD talk. the 950 is in no way even close to the pioneers

omeletpants shits up every plasma thread with his LCD talk. the 950 is in no way even close to the pioneers

That's not true. I have openly talked about my admiration for the Kuro and Samsung plasmas and still own a Samsung. I even recommended an Elite Kuro for a friend and negotiated him a killer deal for him

omeletpants shits up every plasma thread with his LCD talk. the 950 is in no way even close to the pioneers

Not trying to gang up, but this is true.

I personally think the image quality difference between a Kuro and any LCD is so noticeable that when I hear/read a LCD cheerleader I think one of 4 things: 1. They work for a LCD manufacturer. 2. They've never seen a properly calibrated (or even close) plasma telelvision. 3. They're blind. 4. They are mentally deranged or are suffering from an incurable case of buyers remorse.

Hardcore, I know, but what are you left with: that they like really BRIGHT, shiny things?

Well, actually....

James

I played several BD movies like Dark Knight, The Island, and The Descent (empty store on a week night).

Completely off the subject here, and I apoligize for that, but where did you find The Island on blu-ray? I've wanted this one for a while, but I didn't think it had been released yet.

I'm not pumping LCDs but there is obviously little tolerance by the plasma crowd. At least I have an open mind regardless of your childish insults. If you don't think LCD technology is getting close then read this review

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/samsung_ln55a950_lcd_tv/index1.html

Completely off the subject here, and I apoligize for that, but where did you find The Island on blu-ray? I've wanted this one for a while, but I didn't think it had been released yet.

amazon.uk - It's only DD 5.1 but the PQ is very nice. You can check out this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1015410) for the skinny on region free imports.

Hey we're just talking opinions and o'pants is entitled to his. Remember eveyone got an opinion amongst other things;)

amazon.uk - It's only DD 5.1 but the PQ is very nice. You can check out this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1015410) for the skinny on region free imports.

Thanks for the fast response and link. I'll let the thread get back on track now. :D

Hey we're just talking opinions and o'pants is entitled to his. Remember eveyone got an opinion amongst other things;)


I have always thought that the more intelligent the poster, the more tolerant they are of opposing opinions. :)

I'm not pumping LCDs but there is obviously little tolerance by the plasma crowd. At least I have an open mind regardless of your childish insults. If you don't think LCD technology is getting close then read this review

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/samsung_ln55a950_lcd_tv/index1.html

ive seen no less than 5 posts by you in the plasma threads regarding your samsung 950, ive also seen you post this review at least 5 times.

you kept a samsung plasma over a pioneer...that in my book automatically discredits anything you say

ive got nothing against the samsung as i close to pulling the trigger on one, but im tired of the BS that lcd manufacturers pull. backlight bleed and clouding are not normal, and how does that even happen on an LED backlit display (you cant say they dont because when the 950 first hit people posted pics of obvious clouding)

ive been through 5 (1 sxrd, 3 lcds and now a plasma) displays in the last year and the kuro is the only one that has satisfied me in every aspect


i get that you like the 950, but take it to the LCD side of the house, thats like a kuro guy hitting every lcd thread and discrediting its black levels

I'm not pumping LCDs but there is obviously little tolerance by the plasma crowd. At least I have an open mind regardless of your childish insults. If you don't think LCD technology is getting close then read this review

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/samsung_ln55a950_lcd_tv/index1.html

I'm not going to gang up on you and your preferences. We're all different; you like LCDs despite its shortcomings, and I like plasmas despite their shortcomings (if there was a truly perfect display in all respects, we wouldn't have fun like this :) ).

However, not wanting to take the time to read the entire review of your link, I looked quickly at the conclusions. The second paragraph pretty much sums it up for me, and most of us who are countering your arguments.

Also, I finished reading a 4-panel shootout in my Home Theater (Feb. 2009) magazine today, which pitted together the Elite 111, the Samsung 950, the Panasonic pz800u, and the Sony XBR8. While not unanimous, the preference was overwhelmingly for the Elite 111. This is consistent with almost all other shootouts and blind tests that I've seen.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

also when you link to a review that has this in its conclusion

"Unfortunately for the Samsung, the video performance of these two competitors is not equivalent. The Pioneer's blacks are very nearly as good as the Samsung's, and they do not suffer from any haloing or light pumping at all. In addition, the Pioneer has a much wider viewing angle. "

that doesnt bode well for your case

on an all balck screen will an LED backlit LCD have better blacks.....theoretically yes since they turn off all the leds, but i tend to watch things other than a sourceless input on my tv

I have a dlp.... but my father just recently purchased a LCD tv. I asked him why he did not get a plasma since they are priced about the same and his response was because he was concerned about light reflection with the glass screen. His tv is mounted in an open floor plan where light control would be very difficult. Made sense to me.

I'm not pumping LCDs but there is obviously little tolerance by the plasma crowd. At least I have an open mind regardless of your childish insults. If you don't think LCD technology is getting close then read this review

http://ultimateavmag.com/flatpaneldisplays/samsung_ln55a950_lcd_tv/index1.html

Hey, if you're referring to me, I thought it was fairly obvious that my "poke" was in jest. I never once said LCD was junk. Afterall, I OWN a Sony XBR LCD. I simply implied what you just stated yourself, which is essentially: that LCD (after nearly a decade) is "close" to plasma.

Now "close" is a relative term if there ever was one. Personally, while I do feel that the BEST LCD's have neared the best plasma's, they are still decidedly inferior in executing the tasks a television is charged with (namely duplicating the deepest blacks, resolving motion, and offering a reasonable viewing angle). Sure they're comparable in many areas, but it's nearly impossible to give the edge to an LCD in any meaningful PQ field (sorry, but few would place obscene brightness as a criteria).

Perhaps LCD will topple plasma in its coming incarnations (doubtful to me, as I don't think they'll ever solve the motion issue without a half-a** fix) , but until then, plasma will remain my choice, as it offers the highest performance.

Sorry if I offended you.

James

unless he got an LCD with a glossy panel.

i think the earlier posts nailed it. most people dont care, they walk into walmart or sams and grab a vizio and leave it in torch mode. its cheap and they can watch HD on it (or so they think)

CES perpetrate this by including composite cables only with their devices...J6P gets that blu ray player home and runs composite to his torch mode LCD and is none the wiser

also when you link to a review that has this in its conclusion

"Unfortunately for the Samsung, the video performance of these two competitors is not equivalent. The Pioneer's blacks are very nearly as good as the Samsung's, and they do not suffer from any haloing or light pumping at all. In addition, the Pioneer has a much wider viewing angle. "

that doesnt bode well for your case

on an all balck screen will an LED backlit LCD have better blacks.....theoretically yes since they turn off all the leds, but i tend to watch things other than a sourceless input on my tv

And I tend to watch TV with some lights on which is where plasma fails. Ever wonder why Pioneer makes all their grand introductions in totally darkened rooms?

What you conveniently forgot to mention is that the Samsung was tested before Samsung issued a firmware fix that eliminated some black crush and haloing the reviewer noted. If you had read the entire article you would have noticed that minor detail.

I'm not some spy from the LCD underworld and have had plasmas for years. Anyone that buries their head in ideology is short sighted. I own both technologies.

unless he got an LCD with a glossy panel.

i think the earlier posts nailed it. most people dont care, they walk into walmart or sams and grab a vizio and leave it in torch mode. its cheap and they can watch HD on it (or so they think)

CES perpetrate this by including composite cables only with their devices...J6P gets that blu ray player home and runs composite to his torch mode LCD and is none the wiser

Yeah so right...there are still those out there that think that optical connections are for video.

Hey, if you're referring to me, I thought it was fairly obvious that my "poke" was in jest. I never once said LCD was junk. Afterall, I OWN a Sony XBR LCD. I simply implied what you just stated yourself, which is essentially: that LCD (after nearly a decade) is "close" to plasma.

Now "close" is a relative term if there ever was one. Personally, while I do feel that the BEST LCD's have neared the best plasma's, they are still decidedly inferior in executing the tasks a television is charged with (namely duplicating the deepest blacks, resolving motion, and offering a reasonable viewing angle). Sure they're comparable in many areas, but it's nearly impossible to give the edge to an LCD in any meaningful PQ field (sorry, but few would place obscene brightness as a criteria).

Perhaps LCD will topple plasma in its coming incarnations (doubtful to me, as I don't think they'll ever solve the motion issue without a half-a** fix) , but until then, plasma will remain my choice, as it offers the highest performance.

Sorry if I offended you.

James

No offense taken, James. Technology changes. I also held the belief that the motion problem on LCDs still existed. But I haven't see any motion artifacts on the 950 so my assumption was wrong. so where does that leave the argument except that maybe things have changed.

There is also the argument about obscene brightness which I also held. But now owning one I know that that is false. The LED backlighting in Movie mode with some other adjustments will make this LCD look like a Kuro to the point where only D-Nice and a few others would be able to tell the difference. The thing that might give it away that it's an LCD is the crisper picture and better PQ on SD.

Not trying to convert you just saying I was shocked by the quality, adjustablity and PQ of this once I REALLY LOOKED INTO IT. Keep your plasma cause I'm also keeping mine :)

I'm sorry, but I still see a world of blur on the 950, even from straight dead on @ ~6'.
I was told local dimming LED's would rid LCD's of sample&hold thus getting rid of the blur I see.....well that is not the case for whatever reason.

I'm sorry, but I still see a world of blur on the 950, even from straight dead on @ ~6'.
I was told local dimming LED's would rid LCD's of sample&hold thus getting rid of the blur I see.....well that is not the case for whatever reason.

World of blur? You probably have seen it with the AMP feature turned on which is the de-facto in the showroom. Without AMP I have seen zero blur--not once.

thank you