If they were the same price.

I'm no expert on this and I have yet to see either one of them, but I'm about to get the 5020FD because it's considered the 2nd best HDTV made (or 60" model), 2nd only to its step-up 111FD (or 115FD 60").

The A860 is now more expensive.

Chris

That's not a fair fight.

How often do you get a chance to actually save money by going with the Kuro. What you have here (IMO) is a win/win no-brainer.

The A860 is now more expensive.


Yup. Hopefully the tremendous deals we're seeing on the Pio 5020FD translate into some serious downward pressure on competing products' prices as well.

February might become one helluva great month for deals. :cool:

Kuro for sure!

Definitly!!!!!
At the price the Kuro is right now JUMP ON IT!!!!

This is a complete no brainer.

Yup. Hopefully the tremendous deals we're seeing on the Pio 5020FD translate into some serious downward pressure on competing products' prices as well.

February might become one helluva great month for deals. :cool:

Excato, I hoping the prices on the Panny 50" 800u comes down. I am still deciding on the Pio or the panny. :confused:

If they were the same price.

The A860 is a great TV. Great blacks, true whites, thinner, lighter and more energy efficient than other display. Trust you own eyes and pockets of course.

I can get the Pioneer for 1900.00 bucks. I just bought a 58" Panny 850U for the living room, but that's a deal I simply can't pass up. So, I'm trying to sell my Samsung LCD in the bedroom to buy this TV. I gotta get some help. Seriously. :)

I almost am thinking the same. How can you pass up the Kuro or the Elite with the prices so low? I mean when is Sammy and Panny gonna respond to this? That maybe the only thing holding me back from jumping in on an Elite or regular kuro right now!

I almost am thinking the same. How can you pass up the Kuro or the Elite with the prices so low? I mean when is Sammy and Panny gonna respond to this? That maybe the only thing holding me back from jumping in on an Elite or regular kuro right now!

Panny's and Samsung's start out half the price of Pioneer.

Panny's and Samsung's start out half the price of Pioneer.

so this should mean that a massive price chop should be in order across the board! I am keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully they aren't just banking on the Pios running out of stock.

Unfortunately, seems like the Pios are almost out of stock.

Which means the downward price pressure on other makers may be limited. :(

Unfortunately, seems like the Pios are almost out of stock.

Which means the downward price pressure on other makers may be limited. :(
where do you gather this from?

so this should mean that a massive price chop should be in order across the board! I am keeping my fingers crossed. Hopefully they aren't just banking on the Pios running out of stock.

Maybe they're running out of time. We don't know what the future holds for them.

Panny's and Samsung's start out half the price of Pioneer.

Sure but you'd hardly be making an apples-to-apples comparison performance-wise. If you're talking about other company's displays that can perform in the same realm as the Kuro, right now the Kuro is the price and performance winner.

I went through EVERY LCD save the XBR8 (too expensive) and was very annoyed with the amount of motion blur and found that no matter what the screen was never uniform.

I now have a 5020 and am loving it :D! I'll be getting a 60 inch Elite when I move into my new place.

Panny's and Samsung's start out half the price of Pioneer.

That's amazing! And the Vizios are half price of the Panasonic and Samsung plasmas. So what's your point? Get a Vizio? :confused:

Hey guys,

I just ordered the Kuro

I cancelled my order with crutchfield after it shipped. I'm just waiting for my refund.

I heard the Kuro from Plasma Concepts. I could have went with 6Ave for 50 dollars less but they have had shady service lately so I'd rather go with someone I can trust.

Thanks for the help guys wish me luck. I hope I love this TV. It is a big purchase for me

Sure but you'd hardly be making an apples-to-apples comparison performance-wise. If you're talking about other company's displays that can perform in the same realm as the Kuro, right now the Kuro is the price and performance winner.

With recent price reductions, you might have an argument there, however before that, the Kuro's were way overpriced, especially the non-elites. They were asking twice the price of competeting plasma but not at twice the performance. They represented a bad value and or lack real bang for the buck.

The $1900-$2200 that you are getting for the 5020's nowdays is what they should have been priced at initially. They would have sold a lot of them and have possibly rebounded Pioneer from being plagued by poor sales from the last couple of years.

Pioneer's Gucci, wine and caviar approach to sales and marketing of their plasmas has an abyssmal failure.

That's amazing! And the Vizios are half price of the Panasonic and Samsung plasmas. So what's your point? Get a Vizio? :confused:

Yes, there are many people buying Vizios. That company came from nowhere and is now one of leading flat panel makers. Their sales and marketing is vastly superior to Pioneer's sinking ship. They're a real threat to big bully on the block Panasonic.

With recent price reductions, you might have an argument there, however before that, the Kuro's were way overpriced, especially the non-elites. They were asking twice the price of competeting plasma but not at twice the performance. They represented a bad value and or lack real bang for the buck.

The $1900-$2200 that you are getting for the 5020's nowdays is what they should have been priced at initially. They would have sold a lot of them and have possibly rebounded Pioneer from being plagued by poor sales from the last couple of years.

Pioneer's Gucci, wine and caviar approach to sales and marketing of their plasmas has an abyssmal failure.

For enthusiasts who don't need a display for watching soap-operas in the living room in the middle of the day, Kuro represents a real value and is a technological leader. Whether or not it's personally worth it to you is irrelevant, as would be any argument of yours that a HT5000 or a Krell reference monoblock is overpriced because their exponential prices increases don't yeild equally exponential performance increases. A plethora of companies offer premium products at premium prices, and customers who have the cash are obviously willing to pay extra - why you pick on Pioneer as some sort of outlier is beyond me. The marketing world is rife with examples of how a properly placed item's price can actually influence its perceived value - Pioneer has been using this strategy for some time, and it is only the recent downturn in the economy that has caused their model to fail.

In addition, Pioneer doesn't offer glass that's better than anyone else's by accident - they've had to sink enormous amounts of R&D capital into developing the technology to create such exceptional displays. Again, you get what you pay for. For someone who champions immature technologies like SED, you of all people should understand that if a company spends the money to develop something unique, they would be foolish to just give it away for free as compared to the competition simply out of the kindness of their hearts. They offer something that no other plasma manufacturer can - they spent the money developing it, and can charge what they want for it to recoup that money. Of course, given the continuing economic slow-down, it's no surprise that premium brands like Pioneer are suffering the worst, while brands like Vizio are able to stay afloat.

Right now the Kuro is a absolute steal, offering performance in excess of any of its competitors - LCD or plasma - and at prices that equal or beat the competition. Why you think that Pioneer could sink the massive amounts of money into developing the technology that makes their displays the best and then turn around and sell them for the same or less than the competition is completely beyond me - their current pricing is nothing more than the result of a poor economy.