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glennQNYC 01-21-09, 11:05 PM Paradigm's new Sub 12, and Sub 15 have my interest... I can't wait to put an ear near one.
Dual 850w amplifiers (one per voicecoil) is each model is pretty damn cool IMO.
Sub 12 $1999
Sub 15 $2799
The optional Perfect Bass Kit is $299, but can control more than one sub.
Enjoy!
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I would love to see a test bench of the new 15.
uni_panther 01-22-09, 12:21 AM I would have to rewire my house for one of those. I'm a Paradigm fan and most of my speakers and my current subwoofer are Paradigm but that is just too much juice for 1 sub. Rather run multiple smaller subs rather than have to rewire my house.
osofast240sx 01-22-09, 01:01 AM now i have to choose between the sub 15 and the svs13 ultra.
chengbin 01-22-09, 07:21 AM now i have to choose between the sub 15 and the svs13 ultra.
If your main use is HT, the PB13 will beat the SUB 15 easily. I'm not sure about music, but they should be close, an edge for the PB13.
osofast240sx 01-22-09, 07:54 AM If your main use is HT, the PB13 will beat the SUB 15 easily. I'm not sure about music, but they should be close, an edge for the PB13.you cant beat the price of the svs. but i think the more musical the speaker system is, it will sound better with movies. plus most movies have music.
chengbin 01-22-09, 10:11 AM you cant beat the price of the svs. but i think the more musical the speaker system is, it will sound better with movies. plus most movies have music.
That is true to some degree, but for HT use, the subwoofer's main focus is output. You want the sub to have lots of output to shake your room.
mmcelyea 01-22-09, 12:44 PM If your main use is HT, the PB13 will beat the SUB 15 easily. I'm not sure about music, but they should be close, an edge for the PB13.
I love how you can say such an opinion as fact when the sub has not been released yet and you have not heard it. Right now price is all that can be compared
Woodshed 01-22-09, 02:47 PM I was just going to make a thread about these to get opinions. Since they are so new I imagine not too many have made it to the wild yet.
The good news is Paradigm has finally arrived into the "self calibrating subwoofer world". Only about 2 years too late. :)
I would compare the 15 incher to the J L Audio F113, based on price.
chengbin 01-22-09, 04:20 PM I love how you can say such an opinion as fact when the sub has not been released yet and you have not heard it. Right now price is all that can be compared
It is 100% that the SUB 15 will have less output than the PB13. I don't think there is any sealed commercial subwoofer than can exceed the output of a PB13. Also, this is not even Paradigm's flagship sub.
For sake of comparison, Paradigm's Servo v2 (15''), Paradigm's second best sub, only outputted 99dB at 20Hz, 104dB at 30Hz, and 102dB at 50Hz at 2M away ground plane. The PB13, outputted 108dB at 20Hz, 112dB at 31Hz, and 116dB at 50hz. This is equivalent to more than 3 Servo v2s. Do you think the SUB 15 have any chance of beating the PB13?
The test would be interesting we are talking a lot of power and more cone area but
the pb-13 is a hard sub to beat price,performance and size.
osofast240sx 01-22-09, 05:27 PM It is 100% that the SUB 15 will have less output than the PB13. I don't think there is any sealed commercial subwoofer than can exceed the output of a PB13. Also, this is not even Paradigm's flagship sub.
For sake of comparison, Paradigm's Servo v2 (15''), Paradigm's second best sub, only outputted 99dB at 20Hz, 104dB at 30Hz, and 102dB at 50Hz at 2M away ground plane. The PB13, outputted 108dB at 20Hz, 112dB at 31Hz, and 116dB at 50hz. This is equivalent to more than 3 Servo v2s. Do you think the SUB 15 have any chance of beating the PB13?
is it all about the output?what about the sound quality?
chengbin 01-22-09, 05:30 PM I was proving my point that the PB13 is guaranteed to have more output than the SUB 15.
Sound quality should be better, I don't know if it'll be better than the PB13, I'm just speculating. The Servo v2's sound quality was not on par with the PB13.
Dbuudo07 01-22-09, 07:54 PM I'm really interested in the distortion figures for these subs.
customlll 02-06-09, 03:55 AM Has anyone heard any of these yet?
fanbrain 02-26-09, 05:12 PM What if the Sub 15 and the PB13 were the same price? Which would you prefer then?
I love how you can say such an opinion as fact when the sub has not been released yet and you have not heard it. Right now price is all that can be compared
He already answered your question, but if you had an Ultra, or ever heard one, you would know :cool:
What if the Sub 15 and the PB13 were the same price? Which would you prefer then?
I have a love hate relationship with my Ultra, I love the output, but the size... good lord. My primary use is HT, so the Ultra, no hesitation.
The new Sub12 and Sub15 will be JL Audio f112 and f113 competition. The JL's capable of displacing slightly more air.
The new Paradigm subs are suilt like tanks,I saw the Sub12 at my local Paradigm/JL dealer.
I may buy the Sub 15 and Sub 12 and stack thembesides my f113's and f112's.
Real nice subs.
For pure output the SVS Ultra and new Plus will displace more air,where the SVS takes ouver is in output from 30Hz down to tune.No surprises here,anyone who understands a bit how a sealed fares versus a ported will make an easy deduction here. :rolleyes:
LAMBERT R CONE 03-11-09, 02:39 AM my question is two sub 12's or one sub 15 ? my listening area is about 17 long 13 wide 8 high . paradigm 100's cc 690 adp 590 anthem mca 50 avm 50. my great room total is about 40 long 25 wide 8 high , with the listening room in that space , 50 50 ht music . i was told doing a 5.1 i would be better with two subs instead of a single sub . the cost of doing a 7.1 system would be more , amps speakers ect... input please ? want to do it right first time . putting wire in walls soon. thanks in advance .
I'd go with two Sub-12's, you'll get a little more output(depending on where you place them-phase, etc.) and smoother response, I like having two subs, I use one for lower frequncies, and the other set on a higher crossover frequncy to fill in mid bass, sounds great. But of course you don't have to do that. MO
osofast240sx 03-11-09, 08:41 AM What if the Sub 15 and the PB13 were the same price? Which would you prefer then?Sub 15 (neeed looks too)
crackmonkey 03-11-09, 02:03 PM Sub 15 (neeed looks too)
why?
osofast240sx 03-11-09, 02:55 PM why?
a great speaker should also be a nice peice of furniture.
Kal Rubinson 03-11-09, 05:06 PM a great speaker should also be a nice peice of furniture.My sub is my end table. It supports my cigar humidor and ash tray. Of course, with some demo material, those have to be relocated or they move on their own. :cool:
Whats the MSRP on these in CAD
(or did the OP post in CAD?)
thanx
ricardofeitoza 03-13-09, 10:33 AM How does the perfect bass kit compare with the SVS AS- EQ1? Does it handle 2 subs?
Thanks in advance
Rick
crackmonkey 03-16-09, 10:43 AM a great speaker should also be a nice peice of furniture.
sorry for the confusion... by 'why' i meant why would you choose the sub15 over the pb13. (solely on looks?)
osofast240sx 03-16-09, 02:03 PM sorry for the confusion... by 'why' i meant why would you choose the sub15 over the pb13. (solely on looks?)nope
1. the size
2. the looks
3. for a practical application there are plenty of subs at this level, and one could choose any of them and be satisified.
4. i like to keep all of the speaker in the same family
5. Paradigm/Anthem is a great company
crackmonkey 03-17-09, 12:35 PM This is the debate that i'm having with myself. I'm going to get 100's, 20's for surrounds, and 690 center, but i'm still really on the fence about the sub. I was thinking either a PB13 or the new v5 Sub 15.
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts they would like to share about how these two subs compare with one another?
- Which produces more sound?
- Which produces better quality sound?
- How would they compare against one another?
- Is the price difference between the two justified?
I've heard the PB13 and it seems like a great sub to me, but I haven't heard the new Sub15. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated!
LAMBERT R CONE 04-07-09, 05:56 AM wow no one has heard a sub 12 , 15 , yet ? bert
KyleLee 04-07-09, 07:00 AM svs is not really all about SPL here......
3 little facts:
SVS: Underhung - Linear: yes
JL Audio: Overhung - Linear: no
Paradigm: Overhung - Linear: no
jpjibberjabber 04-08-09, 02:01 PM is it all about the output?what about the sound quality?
People get hung up on certain brands around here. If it isn't SVS/Monoprice/BJC/Oppo etc then it's not loud enough/too expensive/ripoff/snake oil/etc
You'll get used to it.
Heard the sub-12 yesterday. Needless to say, I want one. Maybe even the sub-15(didn't hear it). I stood 10 ft away and my pant legs were moving, my jacket was vibrating and the sound was room filling deep bass. Not much more I can say other than you have to listen to one of these to appreciate.
Ryan Peddle 05-31-09, 10:00 AM Have the Sub12 in my store, took a couple of days to fully break in. Man does it play deep, loud, and very clean.
We had a Servo 15 in our theatre room, but that was sold months ago. We were forced to move the DSP3400 over there and my ears got used to it and I forget of really clean bass sounded like.
At first the sub12 seemed like it was a big drop off in output, that was until 2 days after initial setup the sub came alive.
Listening to the opening sequence of Quantum of Solace was bone shaking. BUT you could distinctly hear every detail in the bass. The rapid fire gunshots very fluid and the Sub12 caught each and every shot. The same cannot be said for the DSP3400 which was more like a muddy bass sequence.
Sub12 is an absolute winner.
Ryan Peddle 05-31-09, 10:03 AM People get hung up on certain brands around here. If it isn't SVS/Monoprice/BJC/Oppo etc then it's not loud enough/too expensive/ripoff/snake oil/etc
You'll get used to it.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I never bash any of those products, but people cling to them like they are automatically better than everything else available. Like a cult.
Back on topic. The weird thing about the sub12 is...the driver is deceivingly small...it simply looks like a 10" woofer. But since the surround is 1.5" thick it makes the actual woofer look much smaller.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I never bash any of those products, but people cling to them like they are automatically better than everything else available. Like a cult.
I'm a Paradigm guy thru and thru owning a PS1000, PW2200 and a Servo15.
I've had various Monitor series and various Studio series in the last 15+ years.
I "cling" to those speakers and recommend them to anybody who'll listen.
Almost like a cult to me....pretty bad eh?:rolleyes:
Its obvious you haven't heard a SVS sub let alone the PB13 Ultra.
But I'll tell you, you go to someones house that owns one and if its properly setup, you wont wonder anymore why they have the following they have. For under $2G Cdn, I cant see anything else that comes close.
I took a chance and picked up the sub 12 unheard last week, as I just couldn't pass up an unbelievable deal. I went to my local dealer to audition the DSP-3400 and walked out with the sub 12. This sub is very accurate and pounds with authority in my small room. This was my expression when I first fired it up :eek::D:eek:. I will try to give a more detailed review once it gets broke in and I have a few more quality hours under my belt.
Gamma Curve 08-18-09, 08:54 PM I am interested in the sub 12. But two other subs are on my short list...the axiom EP500 and the svs ultra 13. They are within a few hundred dollars of each other. The axiom and the svs are really well rated but the perfect bass kit is tempting. I have heard the sub 12 and it is impressive. The axiom is really well rated and the cheapest of the three. The svs has great output but does not have room correction. I am looking for a clean, tight sounding sub for HT and music but it has to have good punch. Is the svs overkill? Would a sub 12 be "better" because of the room correction? Just go cheaper with the well rated axiom and be done with it?
Any thoughts?
mojomike 08-18-09, 09:07 PM I am interested in the sub 12. But two other subs are on my short list...the axiom EP500 and the svs ultra 13. They are within a few hundred dollars of each other. The axiom and the svs are really well rated but the perfect bass kit is tempting. I have heard the sub 12 and it is impressive. The axiom is really well rated and the cheapest of the three. The svs has great output but does not have room correction. I am looking for a clean, tight sounding sub for HT and music but it has to have good punch. Is the svs overkill? Would a sub 12 be "better" because of the room correction? Just go cheaper with the well rate axiom and be done with it?
Any thoughts?
The 13Ultra will outperform the other subs you are considering it every way. It will play louder, deeper, and have lower distortion. It's really not even close. It's also is considerably larger than the other two.
519audiofan 08-18-09, 10:46 PM Have the Sub12 in my store, took a couple of days to fully break in. Man does it play deep, loud, and very clean.
We had a Servo 15 in our theatre room, but that was sold months ago. We were forced to move the DSP3400 over there and my ears got used to it and I forget of really clean bass sounded like.
At first the sub12 seemed like it was a big drop off in output, that was until 2 days after initial setup the sub came alive.
Listening to the opening sequence of Quantum of Solace was bone shaking. BUT you could distinctly hear every detail in the bass. The rapid fire gunshots very fluid and the Sub12 caught each and every shot. The same cannot be said for the DSP3400 which was more like a muddy bass sequence.
Sub12 is an absolute winner.
My dealer recommended a DSP 3200 to go with my v4 Studio 40's and CC 590. It sounds like I should consider the Sub 12.
mmcelyea 08-18-09, 10:56 PM The 13Ultra will outperform the other subs you are considering it every way. It will play louder, deeper, and have lower distortion. It's really not even close. It's also is considerably larger than the other two.
The perfect bass kit really does make a difference and even if you go with the SVS you should look at their room correction add on or something like the Velodyne sms1. I wonder how many people with a svs and no room correction love how loud it gets but are really just listening to a big 40 hz bump thinking its great.
glennQNYC 08-18-09, 11:50 PM Paradigm's Sub 12 and Sub 15 with the Perfect Bass Kit is only eclipsed by the Signature Sub 25... And maybe a JL Audio G213 IMO.
I am interested in the sub 12. But two other subs are on my short list...the axiom EP500 and the svs ultra 13. They are within a few hundred dollars of each other. The axiom and the svs are really well rated but the perfect bass kit is tempting. I have heard the sub 12 and it is impressive. The axiom is really well rated and the cheapest of the three. The svs has great output but does not have room correction. I am looking for a clean, tight sounding sub for HT and music but it has to have good punch. Is the svs overkill? Would a sub 12 be "better" because of the room correction? Just go cheaper with the well rate axiom and be done with it?
Any thoughts?
The Sub 12 is great, and even better with the Perfect Bass Kit. In a small to medium sized room, I think you'll be very impressed with the Sub 12's performance.;)
mojomike,
I gather you've heard the above mentioned subs all in the same setup, well, I certainly hope so anyway.:eek::rolleyes:
mojomike 08-19-09, 07:38 AM The Sub 12 is great, and even better with the Perfect Bass Kit. In a small to medium sized room, I think you'll be very impressed with the Sub 12's performance.;)
mojomike,
I gather you've heard the above mentioned subs all in the same setup, well, I certainly hope so anyway.:eek::rolleyes:
Nope. I've only heard the PB13 out of all those, but I'd wager any amount that it will play louder, deeper and with less distortion than the Sub 12 or the Axiom 500. I am not saying it will automatically be preferred by everyone. That's a matter of taste and individual conditions. I'm simply saying that it will objectively outperform the others in depth, output, and distortion levels.
kenshin-himura 08-19-09, 10:31 AM What about the sub 25? from the reviews i have read it is a Fathom Killer, and if you had 2 it would beat the gotham is that true?
I have to wait untill the new SVS PB16 comes out to make a decision on a sub. The sub 15 i hve to go and hear this weekend
Nope. I've only heard the PB13 out of all those, but I'd wager any amount that it will play louder, deeper and with less distortion than the Sub 12 or the Axiom 500. I am not saying it will automatically be preferred by everyone. That's a matter of taste and individual conditions. I'm simply saying that it will objectively outperform the others in depth, output, and distortion levels.
That sounds more reasonable.:) I was just a little surprised when I saw "outperform in every way" in your first post, especially considering you haven't even heard the other two subs.:eek:
Kenshin-himura,
Update us with your impressions of the Sub 15...;)
amazing that not more people have these subs...I would have thought they would have been a hot topic?
Eternum 08-20-09, 09:23 AM amazing that not more people have these subs...I would have thought they would have been a hot topic?
My impression is that you can get comparable sound quality for less money. This does not mean subs are not great, quite the opposite. Just if you are not ready to spend so much money for Paradigm, you can still get very good Velodyne sub (someone suggested Optimum 10) for ~30% less in $ terms. I did not perform personal comparison though, and, if anyone can jump in with Paradigm Sub 12 vs Velodyne Optimum 10 comparison, I'd appreciate.
chengbin 08-20-09, 09:35 AM I think the SUB 12 will kick the Optimum 10 so far away you need a telescope to see it.
Raptorsys 08-20-09, 11:22 AM I had a Servo 15 some years ago and when I bought my new system in January I picked up the Sub 15 to go along with the Studio 100 fronts, CC-690 center and Studio 20 rears. I like the sound of the Sub 15 a lot and I have not, as yet, balanced it out. I was reluctant to buy, for $400, the PBK and I'm looking at other options, like the AntiMode, but I will one day balance it out. As is it is still pretty nice. I live in an apartment so my volume options are limited and since I just signed another years lease it will be at least a year before I can move to a home where I can crank it up the way I'd like.
If pure volume is what you're looking for there maybe better options but if sound quality is your goal the Sub 12/15/25 subs are right up there with the best.
Brian
Mark S. 08-20-09, 12:04 PM Can anyone comment on what the Sub12 would be like compared to the SVS PC-12 Plus or PB-12 Plus? I am a huge Paradigm fan, but I'm having a hell of a time choosing a sub, especially due to the cost of the new Paradigm subs.
Thanks,
Mark
whasaaaab 08-20-09, 11:32 PM Hello Everyone
I have not been here in a while i love the new subs from paradigm, especially the sub 25. I still have not purchased a sub as of yet, I am waiting to hear the PB16 Ultra and I will be hearing the sub 25 this weekend. The only bad thing about the sub 25 it does not come in black oak veneer only piano blk.
I have not seen any reviews for the sub 15, if anyone knows a link please pass it on. Just got back from a vacation spent most of my sub money savings.
I wonder if 2 sub15 or 2 sub 25 would out perform a submersive? Any thoughts
Gamma Curve 08-22-09, 11:08 AM Saw a review of a studio 100v5 system that includes the sub 15 in their review at : "http://hometheaterreview.com/paradigm-studio-100-51-speaker-system-reviewed/"
I am more interested in reviews of the sub 12 if anyone knows of any, please post.
The SVS PB12 plus is probably more of a competitor for the sub 12. It is less expensive but does not have a room correction option. (They do have a single frequency PEQ which might help though). Two different philosophies...paradigm is getting their output with amplification (1700 W sustained) in a small package while SVS is getting their output with a larger size and considerably less amplification. I am wondering how they would compete with each other?
lockeed 09-27-09, 09:55 PM Any reviews out for both SUB 12 and 15? I just purshased a set of Studio 60's and CC690 center, I'm looking for a sub that would fit well with that kit!
I just picked up my second Sub 12 this afternoon!:D Can't wait to get her fired up! Sadly, I need another sub cable and a y-adaptor before I can hook it up, and I guess I'm at least a week out before I can receive these items from Monoprice.:( I'll give an update once I get everything connected and properly calibrated/eq'd.
Kal Rubinson 10-04-09, 10:11 PM Any reviews out for both SUB 12 and 15?I have a review of the Sub 15 which will appear in MITR in the January Stereophile.
Warpdrv 10-04-09, 10:26 PM I have a review of the Sub 15 which will appear in MITR in the January Stereophile.
Nice Kal, thanks for the heads up, can't wait for it to show up in my mailbox...
I would assume that they included the PBK "Perfect Bass Kit" along with that for you to add into your review, a mini ARC version for subs only...
I have a review of the Sub 15 which will appear in MITR in the January Stereophile.
Great! I look forward to it. When does that issue hit shelves?
Kal Rubinson 10-04-09, 10:48 PM Nice Kal, thanks for the heads up, can't wait for it to show up in my mailbox...
I would assume that they included the PBK "Perfect Bass Kit" along with that for you to add into your review, a mini ARC version for subs only...Mais, oui.
kenshin-himura 10-05-09, 12:47 PM I have a review of the Sub 15 which will appear in MITR in the January Stereophile.
Hi, Kal
You cannot give us any info? January is a long time from now.
glennQNYC 10-05-09, 01:25 PM Any reviews out for both SUB 12 and 15?
Home Entertainment Magazine review:
http://www.hemagazine.com/Paradigm_SUB_12_Review
;)
Nice... I guess he likes it.
Thanks for the link.
I finally got my dual Sub 12 combo up and running this morning. WOW!!! I can't believe I went this long without a dual sub setup. What was I thinking???:rolleyes: Anyone who is debating a second sub, trust me, it's well worth the investment. My listening experience has gone from very impressive, to downright bone chilling. Ironman on BR easily equalled my previous best bass experience of The Dark Knight in IMAX. Transformers and Live Free Or Die Hard were also very impressive. Not to sound too gushy, but I'm left wanting no more.
The Sub 12 really is something very special...:D
kenshin-himura 10-08-09, 11:11 PM congrats man
osofast240sx 10-09-09, 09:53 AM I finally got my dual Sub 12 combo up and running this morning. WOW!!! I can't believe I went this long without a dual sub setup. What was I thinking???:rolleyes: Anyone who is debating a second sub, trust me, it's well worth the investment. My listening experience has gone from very impressive, to downright bone chilling. Ironman on BR easily equalled my previous best bass experience of The Dark Knight in IMAX. Transformers and Live Free Or Die Hard were also very impressive. Not to sound too gushy, but I'm left wanting no more.
The Sub 12 really is something very special...:Dnice i was going to do a dual sub 15 mabey a dual sub 12 will do the trick
nice i was going to do a dual sub 15 mabey a dual sub 12 will do the trick
Maybe... I guess it depends on the size of your room. How big is your space?
For reference, my room is ~12x11x7.5, so quite small. I think if you get over that 2000 cubic foot range, a dual Sub 15 setup might be worth some extra consideration. I'm a bit of a bass head though...
shiznit 10-09-09, 12:35 PM I finally got my dual Sub 12 combo up and running this morning. WOW!!! I can't believe I went this long without a dual sub setup. What was I thinking???:rolleyes: Anyone who is debating a second sub, trust me, it's well worth the investment. My listening experience has gone from very impressive, to downright bone chilling. Ironman on BR easily equalled my previous best bass experience of The Dark Knight in IMAX. Transformers and Live Free Or Die Hard were also very impressive. Not to sound too gushy, but I'm left wanting no more.
The Sub 12 really is something very special...:D
Awesome BRAC!! Congrats on your second SUB 12!! So you are saying I need to get another SUB 25 then??? ;)
Hey BRAC,
Did you ever own a Paradigm Servo 15A/V2/Signature Servo? I am wondering how the SUB 12 compares specifically to the Servo 15A? I own a Servo 15A in a second system, it sounds awesome, but I am looking for something smaller that has the same amount of output. Do you think a SUB 12 could keep up with the Servo 15 in terms of output?
Thanks,
s
BTW, I WANT PICS! lol.
Mark S. 10-09-09, 12:42 PM Awesome BRAC!! Congrats on your second SUB 12!! So you are saying I need to get another SUB 25 then??? ;)
Hey BRAC,
Did you ever own a Paradigm Servo 15A/V2/Signature Servo? I am wondering how the SUB 12 compares specifically to the Servo 15A? I own a Servo 15A in a second system, it sounds awesome, but I am looking for something smaller that has the same amount of output. Do you think a SUB 12 could keep up with the Servo 15 in terms of output?
Thanks,
s
BTW, I WANT PICS! lol.
I'm interested in a Servo 15v1 and SUB12 comparison as well. Currently I have the Servo 15 and love it, but I'm looking at the new SUB12.
Thanks,
Mark
Awesome BRAC!! Congrats on your second SUB 12!! So you are saying I need to get another SUB 25 then??? ;)
Hey BRAC,
Did you ever own a Paradigm Servo 15A/V2/Signature Servo? I am wondering how the SUB 12 compares specifically to the Servo 15A? I own a Servo 15A in a second system, it sounds awesome, but I am looking for something smaller that has the same amount of output. Do you think a SUB 12 could keep up with the Servo 15 in terms of output?
Thanks,
s
BTW, I WANT PICS! lol.
2 Sub 25's would be cracy.:eek: I HIGHLY recommend dual subs if you can manage it. My dual Sub 12's sound much more full and effortless. The extra headroom makes a big difference. The subs are hardly working, but yet I'm still getting huge spl.
I haven't heard the most recent Servo's, but I remember reading that the new Sub ** models can dig deeper and have higher output than the previous Servo designs. I can't confirm either way.
How's the Sub 25 been treating you?:)
kevinmaxwellengr 10-21-09, 09:08 PM To start, this is the first time I have reviewed a product before.
I have had a number of Paradigm systems from 4@Titan (V2) speakers and a PW 2500 sub. Then I upgraded to Studio 100 (v2), CC (v2), ADP (v2), and Servo 15 v1 about 5 years ago. Last winter we had a flood in our basement and the full set of speakers got written off. Because it took a couple of months to get all the work done, the V4 / servo were discontinued, so I was one of the first to get V5. They replaced my set with Studio 100 (V5), CC 590 (V5) which I paid the extra $$ and got the CC 690 (V5), ADP 590 (V5) and Sub 15.
If I had to quantify the improvement in sound, I would say it’s now twice as good as my old system. Even before I had the speakers broken in, my first reaction was WOW and if I don’t listen to the for a while I still say WOW how great they sound. I am running a Yamaha RX Z1, which is a little bit low in power to push the Studio V2, but now I find that the V5 the mid range to be not a sluggish and the high range to be clear. I would have rated the Studio 100 V2 as a great speaker. And I would say the Studio 100 V5 as excellent. The studio 100 V5 is such a great speaker I can’t see where they can improve. They are clear, great mid and has a great sound stage.
Now for the Servo 15 to Sub 15 comparison.
To start, the first sub I bought was a paradigm PW 2500. This was a good sub for movie lots of boom, a little slow but not the best for music. So I upgraded to a Servo 15 V1. This sub (servo 15) in my opinion did not have the room shaking boom during movies as the pw 2500 but product bass a lot more accurately. With the sub 15, you get all the room shaking boom with an accurately sounding bass. I know it’s not fare to compare the servo 15 V1 to the sub 15 because the servo 15 only had 400 RMS power vs the sub 15 has a 1700 RMS power rating with Ultra Class D power amps. If someone has the Servo 15 V1 and has the money the sub 15 is a great upgrade.
For the center if anyone is thinking of buying the CC 590, I thing for the extra $$ the CC 690 is a much better center. You get 2 more bass/mid drivers for not much more money.
The new Paradigm studio V5 line is a great series. The drivers that are now in the Studio V5 were the drivers they used in their signature series a couple a years ago for a lot less money from when they were in the signature series. If I was in the market, I would still choose the studio series because they have great value.
serendib 10-30-09, 06:56 PM How do I connect two subs to the AV receiver? Do I need a "Y" splitter or something?
Also, should the two subs be the same make and model? I have an old Paradigm (9 years) and I want to hook it up to a Sub 12 (when I get permission and cash!!).
Will fine tuning be difficult with 2 subs?
I like to get the Bass Kit but will this work with the old sub?
Kal Rubinson 10-30-09, 09:37 PM How do I connect two subs to the AV receiver? Do I need a "Y" splitter or something?Yes.
Will fine tuning be difficult with 2 subs?
I like to get the Bass Kit but will this work with the old sub?The PBK will not work with the old sub.
goneten 10-31-09, 06:28 AM Can anyone post pictures of their Sub-15 sub's ?
Regards,
serendib 11-02-09, 06:28 PM How much watts of power does the Sub 12 require ?
Does it need a separate power outlet or can it be safely plugged into a decent Monster Power Center?
I checked the Paradigm web sites and their online brochures, but couldn't find this info.
Thanks.
osofast240sx 11-02-09, 07:30 PM How much watts of power does the Sub 12 require ?
Does it need a separate power outlet or can it be safely plugged into a decent Monster Power Center?
I checked the Paradigm web sites and their online brochures, but couldn't find this info.
Thanks.its always better to have dedicated for the subs. the sub 12 will work in any available outlet.
its always better to have dedicated for the subs. the sub 12 will work in any available outlet.
Why is that? I have my dual Sub 12's plugged into the same Monster Power Center as my Denon 3808, and all of my other gear, running to a single 15 amp circuit. I have yet to experience and problems at all with this setup. In fact, I haven't even managed to light up the 12 amp indicator light on my Monster Power Center, and I was hitting peaks of ~110-115db while watching Cloverfield this evening.:eek::D
osofast240sx 11-03-09, 08:01 AM Why is that? I have my dual Sub 12's plugged into the same Monster Power Center as my Denon 3808, and all of my other gear, running to a single 15 amp circuit. I have yet to experience and problems at all with this setup. In fact, I haven't even managed to light up the 12 amp indicator light on my Monster Power Center, and I was hitting peaks of ~110-115db while watching Cloverfield this evening.:eek::Devery setup is different. i tend to over kill my personal setups. if i do dual sub 15's each 15 will be ao a different phase. the same if i do 2 A5 Amps.
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