I just got the pa 10 a few days ago..set it up and cranked up the juice on the back of it....of coarse lots of bass for what it is ..very happy..with purchase! but lately each morning i?ve turned down the juice a little each day and then listen to it the whole day and each time i do this it gets better, so now to me it has blended in very nicely without trying to overpower everything like the first day....oh yes to me the bass is still there..... only better..

Bass EQ is key. Large subs can help fill in the lower end with a flat curve.

Yes, less than running too hot is better.

Why not calibrate it? To at least get you in the correct neighborhood. Then you can tweak it up or down from there.

Or, not. Nothing really wrong with adjusting it to taste, either.

But, yes, a properly integrated subwoofer should be very subtle with most 2-channel music.

I find it depends what I am listening to and my source. Movies I want more base music very little. But as you music taste gets more refined you are correct less is better.

My fathor hates my headphones ety 4p some of the best in the world not base heavy just flat, he bought a $20 pair of something at bestbuy worst I have herd mushey no highs and base heavy but he thinks they are far better sounding. Case and point!

Why not calibrate it? To at least get you in the correct neighborhood. Then you can tweak it up or down from there.

Or, not. Nothing really wrong with adjusting it to taste, either.

But, yes, a properly integrated subwoofer should be very subtle with most 2-channel music.

Only with 2 channel music?

What about a music DVD?

You may prefer your bass "very subtle" with music, that doesn't mean that others want real impact whether it be acoustic bass, electric bass guitar, synth. Some music sounds perfectly integrated to me with a prominent bass line. Music CDs vary greatly in the amount of bass in the mix. Does that mean that the end user must defer to whoever did the mixing?

I guess surround channels should be "very subtle" as well to be "properly integrated". Just like at the movies when you have the entire side walls of the theater lined with surround speakers.

And don't forget that mains should not produce any bass when there is no bass in the music.

Only with 2 channel music?

What about a music DVD?Sure, that, too. And movies if you want to attempt that, but I think that can be problematic. I said that because I suspect that is what the OP has been listening to. Maybe not. Sort of irrelevant though, isn't it? I'm sure a mono recording could work, too.


You may prefer your bass "very subtle" with music, that doesn't mean that others want real impact whether it be acoustic bass, electric bass guitar, synth. Some music sounds perfectly integrated to me with a prominent bass line. Music CDs vary greatly in the amount of bass in the mix. Does that mean that the end user must defer to whoever did the mixing?So, you propose altering the level of the subwoofer constantly with each new disc that is inserted into your player? Or for each song, for that matter? I said there was nothing wrong with adjusting it to taste. But I wouldn't recommend fiddling with it with every disc. If one adjusts their sub to taste, by ear, I suspect that most eventually find a setting that they stick with.

And "real" is the operative word, there, btw. You said it, not me. ;)


I guess surround channels should be "very subtle" as well to be "properly integrated". Just like at the movies when you have the entire side walls of the theater lined with surround speakers.

And don't forget that mains should not produce any bass when there is no bass in the music.Sorry, but I don't really know what point you are trying to make, here, spyboy. You can set them wherever you prefer, can't you?

Maybe I should have said "WILL BE subtle" instead of "SHOULD BE subtle". That more appropriately expresses what I was trying to say.

My experience when I have moved my sub is that I can adjust it by ear with a few CDs with specific bass characteristics to be within a couple of dBs of where it calibrates with a meter. And I always choose a CD or 2 specifically because they DO have a lot of bass energy with the goal being to adjust the sub so that it does NOT sound overly bassy, but "proper" (whatever that means).

I just got the pa 10 a few days ago..set it up and cranked up the juice on the back of it....of coarse lots of bass for what it is ..very happy..with purchase! but lately each morning i?ve turned down the juice a little each day and then listen to it the whole day and each time i do this it gets better, so now to me it has blended in very nicely without trying to overpower everything like the first day....oh yes to me the bass is still there..... only better..

....hmmm adjusting it to what you like, and not obsessing over numbers or graphs....light years ahead of all of us:).

....hmmm adjusting it to what you like, and not obsessing over numbers or graphs....light years ahead of all of us:).

Now that's just wrong! Frequency charts need to be made so we can obsess over every little bump in the curve. That's what this hobby is all about!:p

^^That's a good point. My settings sounds good to my ears, but am going to buy a SPL meter and test CD this weekend. Because, I have nothing else better to do with my life. lol. But yeah, it's best not to have too much bass where it gets overpowering eveything.

Right now I don't have a sub but I have some floorstanders that dip low enough to be very, very bothersome if left bass-heavy on the amp.

I usually crank the bass for big action scenes to showoff the speakers and sometimes forget to turn it back down. I won't be 10 minutes into the next movie before I wonder why every footstep and word is punching me in the chest. It gets annoying very quickly. I can see running *slightly* hot on big action movies but generally speaking I want realism, not "bass-bling" to coin a phrase.