How does your new room sound in comparison to your old room? I am in the process of relocating and will be building a new home and theater. I have about 25 RPG skylines and about 12 similar style but larger diffusers as well as about 10 absorption panels. With these gone, the room is a totally different room and not in a good way.

It definitely sounds better than my old room. It is symmetric compared to my old room as well. I would never do a music or HT room again without symmetry... The video and the acoustics haven't been calibrated yet, but so far I am happy with the results.

I thought I would be sacrificing two channel playback with this kind of behind the screen layout, but the sound quality, even with two channel material, is excellent. The scale always seemed wrong in my old setup (and I didn't have much in the way of options to reposition the speakers), but in this setup the scale seems more correct and proportional.

I did listen to the V3 last year and in that room, it was not impressive. The bass had big problems with my Yellos songs.

I did listen to the V3 last year and in that room, it was not impressive. The bass had big problems with my Yellos songs.

What specifically were the problems that you heard? In my audition, the bass was generally lacking in conviction.

All you need to do is search all posts made by HWoo:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?searchid=14848955

HWoo is a sock puppet...

I looked through some of the posts on various forums under the screen names that were mentioned above. The all have the same tone and style and they disparage any speaker that isn't a Magico. Of course this doesn't mean it's Alon Wolf. Funny thing is I actually agree with a lot of what this person(s) says about loudspeakers in general.

I looked through some of the posts on various forums under the screen names that were mentioned above. The all have the same tone and style and they disparage any speaker that isn't a Magico. Of course this doesn't mean it's Alon Wolf. Funny thing is I actually agree with a lot of what this person(s) says about loudspeakers in general.

Alon Wolf knows his stuff for sure. The issue is posing as an "unbiased" "happy owner", and then using this platform to trash his competitors. If he wished to share his views, he shouldn't have done it under pretense. He maybe would have even found a few converts if he was open about who he was! :D

Of course this doesn't mean it's Alon Wolf.
No it doesn't, which is why those posts (the ones making the accusation against Alon Wolf), which were made in 4 different forums under the same name, by an anonymous poster, were deleted.

What specifically were the problems that you heard? In my audition, the bass was generally lacking in conviction.


I feelt the bass started to compress rather early.

I have not heard the V3, but the Minis sounded screechy to
me; they were way too bright for my comfort level.

I did however change my amps to QSC and added the QSC 922s as well for signal processing. The setup is as close to an active speaker design that I think I will get while still using passive speakers.

Q - can you explain what QSC amps you are using and how 922 is being used here? Thanks.

Q - can you explain what QSC amps you are using and how 922 is being used here? Thanks.

I went on the Erskine Groups recommendation of the DCA 1622s for the amps. My understanding is that the 922s can communicate directly with the 1622s to coordinate power needs for the signal processing. Dennis can explain it better than I can. The 922s will be used for timing, frequency response correction, et al., I'm not sure of the full extent of it as the calibration has not been done yet. They have been waiting on the chairs to arrive first.

The QSC website lists all of the capabilities of these two pieces of equipment.

I am using three 1622s in bridged mode across the front and three in stereo mode for the surrounds.

I feelt the bass started to compress rather early.

There is only such much bass you can get from two 7 inch woofers so that does not surprise me. Maybe a good sub would help assuming that that the overall sound quality is good?

I went on the Erskine Groups recommendation of the DCA 1622s for the amps. My understanding is that the 922s can communicate directly with the 1622s to coordinate power needs for the signal processing. Dennis can explain it better than I can. The 922s will be used for timing, frequency response correction, et al., I'm not sure of the full extent of it as the calibration has not been done yet. They have been waiting on the chairs to arrive first.

The QSC website lists all of the capabilities of these two pieces of equipment.

Wow, 20k speakers with 1k amps?! Dennis is good at what he does. Perhaps he could have recommended some pro speakers as well which would seem more suitable? I know QSC is what some of the commercial theaters use, but just have never been impressed with them. One of my DJ friends uses them. I have borrowed his stuff in the past to check out at home. Returned them the next day, forget the models. Never considered them again. I guess the Revels are so good that anything will sound good through them.

Wow, 20k speakers with 1k amps?! Dennis is good at what he does. Perhaps he could have recommended some pro speakers as well which would seem more suitable? I know QSC is what some of the commercial theaters use, but just have never been impressed with them. One of my DJ friends uses them. I have borrowed his stuff in the past to check out at home. Returned them the next day, forget the models. Never considered them again. I guess the Revels are so good that anything will sound good through them.

I don't have a very active imagination; I don't hear differences between well designed amps unless they are malfunctioning or are designed to intentionally add distortion to the signal. Call me lucky I guess. :D

Speakers, OTOH, do sound different to me...

Wow, 20k speakers with 1k amps?! Dennis is good at what he does. Perhaps he could have recommended some pro speakers as well which would seem more suitable? I know QSC is what some of the commercial theaters use, but just have never been impressed with them. One of my DJ friends uses them. I have borrowed his stuff in the past to check out at home. Returned them the next day, forget the models. Never considered them again. I guess the Revels are so good that anything will sound good through them.

not true actually. they are known to be insensitive and power hungry.

not true actually. they are known to be insensitive and power hungry.

Speakers are people too... :p

I don't have a very active imagination; I don't hear differences between well designed amps unless they are malfunctioning or are designed to intentionally add distortion to the signal. Call me lucky I guess. :D

Yeah you are very lucky! Could save me about 25k if I were so lucky:D. My amps have very low distortion numbers so it's not that.

not true actually. they are known to be insensitive and power hungry.

That's a good one! Thumbs up.

Yeah you are very lucky! Could save me about 25k if I were so lucky:D. My amps have very low distortion numbers so it's not that.

I did comparisons between Ayre MX-Rs, Emotiva XPA-1s and Bryston PowerPac 300 SSTs. I couldn't hear a difference between them. I've done the David Moulton Golden Ears coursework as well, so I'm adept at detecting signal abberations and artifacts. I'm fortunate that I hear with my ears instead of my wallet. ;)

I will say I haven't directly compared the QSCs to anything and I have no frame of reference with any other amps in my new room, but I'm not hearing anything unusual in the signal itself that would lead me to believe the signal is being audibly degraded...

Assuming the numbers listed on the QSC website are correct, there shouldn't be any audible distortions at my normal listening levels. This aligns with my current experience.

I did comparisons between Ayre MX-Rs, Emotiva XPA-1s and Bryston PowerPac 300 SSTs. I couldn't hear a difference between them. I've done the David Moulton Golden Ears coursework as well, so I'm adept at detecting signal abberations and artifacts. I'm fortunate that I hear with my ears instead of my wallet. ;)

I hear with my ears and just didn't like the QSC because they don't sound like Ayre to me;). I hear amp differences and speaker differences, CD players. Cable differences,hmmmm, not too big on that one,but I do buy them, mostly because I like the way they look. Also some cables are very well made. Take Lat international, they actually WELD the connectors on. I have known a few guys,myself included to really think something was wrong only to find it was bad cable. Never considered a Golden Ears course, know enough of them already.

The Golden Ears course is deceptively named. It is a professional audio engineering hearing course.

I have no idea if you are hearing differences, and I didn't claim that you don't. Personally I am skeptical that you can prove you hear any in a blind test, but this is based on my own personal belief changes due to testing my own equipment. I was a little upset to find I wasn't hearing differences between two pieces of equipment one of which cost 16 times the price of its analog. All of the objective evidence out there concerning well designed modern amps supports my experience as far as I can tell...

I'm always open to empirical evidence that would refute my experience if you have any.

That's a good one! Thumbs up.

It's true. They have around 86 dB sensitivity; this makes the Revel2s very power hungry. :(

My understanding is that it is a tradeoff made for more accurate off axis response. Between the Salon2s and the Wilson W/P8s the difference was quite tangible when comparing live acoustic instruments to the speaker's output. The sound was fuller and more realistic with the additional off-axis response.

Q - if I remember correctly you tend not to listen at high SPL. Why did you switch from Emotiva to QSC? I assume even with Revels at 86db you should be fine with Emotivas?

Q - if I remember correctly you tend not to listen at high SPL. Why did you switch from Emotiva to QSC? I assume even with Revels at 86db you should be fine with Emotivas?

Depends on his listening distance actually. At such a low sensitivity level, 1,000 watts will take him to reference levels only at 8 feet and under.

Edit: I missed "not listening very high" part when I posted my response. He may be fine depending on his volume.

I hear with my ears and just didn't like the QSC because they don't sound like Ayre to me;). I hear amp differences and speaker differences, CD players. Cable differences,hmmmm, not too big on that one,but I do buy them, mostly because I like the way they look. Also some cables are very well made. Take Lat international, they actually WELD the connectors on. I have known a few guys,myself included to really think something was wrong only to find it was bad cable. Never considered a Golden Ears course, know enough of them already.

You hear with your ears but you also see with your eyes. Blind testing is the only way to make sure that components are being judged on their sound alone.

I don't generally need to listen at more than 100 dB and my system should be able to hit 110+ dB at the seating position. More than enough overhead for my needs. Those levels can already damage your hearing over the course of a two hour movie if played at those high levels continuously.

That is when you take everything into consideration, such as number of speakers, the nominal impedence, seating distance, etc.

That 110+ dB doesn't figure in room additive sound, which could likely add another 5+ dB I think (I would have to look that up...) considering it is 9 speakers.

On the below website I did a summed SPL of all my speakers at my primary seating position. It was at 115 dB without additive room interaction dBs. So it is over 115 dB once you factor in the room interaction. That should be sufficient I think.

For 2 channel stereo alone though, I am at 109 dB without room interaction factored in. So 109+ with room interaction.

http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/calculadores_en.htm

There is only such much bass you can get from two 7 inch woofers so that does not surprise me. Maybe a good sub would help assuming that that the overall sound quality is good?


Agree, but I think the price are very high for such low SPL. One could get a couple of subs to help them but that will be even more costly and I didn't feel the V3 did anything better than many cheaper speakers can do.

On the below website I did a summed SPL of all my speakers at my primary seating position. It was at 115 dB without additive room interaction dBs. So it is over 115 dB once you factor in the room interaction. That should be sufficient I think.

For 2 channel stereo alone though, I am at 109 dB without room interaction factored in. So 109+ with room interaction.

http://www.doctorproaudio.com/doctor/calculadores_en.htm

Correct. I believe 105 is the reference, which is very very loud!

What is the per channel power level of your new amplifier?

Correct. I believe 105 is the reference, which is very very loud!

What is the per channel power level of your new amplifier?

Some are at 300 and some at 1100 at 8 Ohms. When you take into account the 6 Ohm nominal impedence of the Revels, they are likely being fed 400 and 1350 respectively.

Has anyone heard the new Magico Q5? There seems to be relatively lesser buzz about this speaker as there was with the M5 a year ago, or any other "new" Magico speaker that's come out since the Minis. I wasn't even aware of this speaker until reading up on all the Magico controversy lately around web.

Any impressions on this speaker? How does it compare with the M5 or even M6, which is also an aluminium enclosure speaker? It's a little over half the cost of the M5, but hyped to be even better? I was surprised that its new in-house designed tweeter is supposedly the best one they ever used considering how much hype the MR-1 ring-radiator tweeter in the M5 received. Also, it seems the Magico is moving toward specializing in all-aluminium enclosures with its Q line. It's funny that despite their rivalry and seeming animosity between Magico and YG Acoustics, their products (and propensity for self-hype, perhaps) are very similar in many respects.

Anyone? :o

It seems interest in actual Magico speakers rather than the company itself has dwindled, at least on some of the audio forums I visit. Maybe it is true that some of the positive responses and guaranteed "speaker impressions" on Magico threads were from the company itself...

I believe the interest in the new Q5 has died down because there won't be any produced until sometime in Apr.