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I finally got permission from the wife to upgrade from my IN72 to an “HD” projector. Fortunately for me she does not realize that there is a difference between 720 and 1080, so I am going to assume she meant 1080p when she stated “HD”.
It seems that there are just so many projectors out there these days that I don’t know where to start. I’d like to keep the overall cost down to $1500 (I realize that this significantly limits my options). I am a current owner of a DLP projector (the IN72 mentioned previously) and have never truly seen an LCD in action under the proper HT conditions. I know there have been advances in LCD technology over the past few years, but I understand that DLP will give much better blacks and overall contrast. Please tell me if I am wrong.
I have a partially light controlled room with relatively dark walls and a white ceiling. I love my IN72 for its brightness, contrast, noise level and overall pq. I am currently projecting on a 100” screen from about 11 feet. I am looking for a 1080p projector with similar attributes (especially the nose level ).
Does anybody have any suggestions on where I can begin doing my research?
Although it is a little over your budget I just got my first projector yesterday. It is the Epson 6100. I am using it in my living room so there is quite a bit of ambient light during the day. It has 1800 lumens so it is pretty bright enough to watch even with some lights on. It looks amazing at night, I can't say enough good things about it. You can get it for a little less than $1700 shipped. Didn't really do much research on any models in your price range, but for the money the 6100 is amazing. I posted some screenshots and others have too in the owners thread.
xmenxmenxmen 01-23-09, 01:58 PM Again, a little over your budget, but the Mitsubishi 5500 would be a great choice. It's also got one of the quietest fans out there right now. and PP currently has it at a great price including a free bulb.
gwlaw99 01-23-09, 02:30 PM My suggestion is to save money and go 720p DLP. You will see a noticeable resolution increase for as little as $750 (sharp dt-510) or a refurb Marantz VP8600 and keep the DLP look that you enjoy.
john barlow 01-23-09, 02:36 PM My suggestion is to save money and go 720p DLP. You will see a noticeable resolution increase for as little as $750 (sharp dt-510) or a refurb Marantz VP8600 and keep the DLP look that you enjoy.
No way go 1080p. I am thinking about the Mitsubishi HC-6500. What is PP abreviated for? I would like to get a good deal too. And perhaps a free bulb.
shinksma 01-23-09, 02:53 PM PP = Projector People, forum sponsors - the logo/ads are at the top of this page, primarily orange in color.
There are very few 1080p projectors even streeting for $1500 - mostly around $1800-ish and up. The 6100 is usually between those prices, as is the Mits 5500 mentioned by "xmen-cubed".
If you really want to limit your budget to $1500, then monitor the prices on those two models, and look at the refurbs found either at the manufacturer websites or open box/demo units at the retailers. For example, BenQ had a really good price on refurb W5000 (DLP) projectors last week from their online clearance store.
YMMV, IMHO,
shinksma
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Liverpool 01-23-09, 02:58 PM Poor is the man Whose pleasures depend On the permission of another
gwlaw99 01-23-09, 03:07 PM No way go 1080p. I am thinking about the Mitsubishi HC-6500. What is PP abreviated for? I would like to get a good deal too. And perhaps a free bulb.
Thats a great idea if his budget wasn't less than the cost of the 6500
Poor is the man Whose pleasures depend On the permission of another
You must not be married :rolleyes:
Bruce Wayne 01-23-09, 06:47 PM I would not go 1080p for the simple fact that it's 1080p, what size screen do you use? Are you going to a bigger screen? Is your seating distance going to change? There are some great threads on entry level 1080p vs. high end 720p projectors on this forum. In my opinion, high end 720p is the way to go. You get much better optics, better processing and more features for the dollor than anything under $3000.00 in the 1080p crowd.
Bruce Wayne 01-23-09, 06:50 PM Poor is the man Whose pleasures depend On the permission of another
Nope, poor is the man whose pleasures control him and take priority over another.
d james 01-23-09, 07:14 PM Well Going to 1080 over 720 in itself isn't the biggest change, but added contrast and much better blakcs is, so I think your decision hinders on what you want from your pj. As another said, it depends on seating distance. I think if your wife won't let you upgrade for a very long time, then maybe 1080 would be better, but then again they are more expensive, but worth it in my opinion. I'd look at some remanufactored or returned pjs which will be cheaper.
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There are very few 1080p projectors even streeting for $1500 - mostly around $1800-ish and up. The 6100 is usually between those prices, as is the Mits 5500 mentioned by "xmen-cubed".
If you really want to limit your budget to $1500, then monitor the prices on those two models, and look at the refurbs found either at the manufacturer websites or open box/demo units at the retailers. For example, BenQ had a really good price on refurb W5000 (DLP) projectors last week from their online clearance store.
YMMV, IMHO,
shinksma
The W5000 Refurbs are back in stock at BenQ(8:17 EST-1/23/09).....
Ridiculous price :eek:, I really wish it would work for my room..:(
justlnluck 01-23-09, 08:28 PM To the OP -- I was initially thinking about spending around $1000 and going with a 720p projector. But then I found out that manufacturers put their quality components in their 1080p models and not 720p. I ended up stretching my budget to $1600 shipped for the 6100. I also couldn't go with DLP because I have no idea if I am susceptible to rainbows and I needed setup flexibility with generous lens shift. I will report back when it gets here.
I would go to the Benq site and check out the price on a refurb W5000. It is below below your budget and is a very good projector.
john barlow 01-24-09, 06:01 AM Poor is the man Whose pleasures depend On the permission of another
Apparently, you've never been married.
MangaSpawn64 01-24-09, 12:04 PM I would not go 1080p for the simple fact that it's 1080p, what size screen do you use? Are you going to a bigger screen? Is your seating distance going to change? There are some great threads on entry level 1080p vs. high end 720p projectors on this forum. In my opinion, high end 720p is the way to go. You get much better optics, better processing and more features for the dollor than anything under $3000.00 in the 1080p crowd.
100 inches at 11 feet away ? That'd pretty much be the sweet spot for 1080p...
I have a Z5 and while I do not regret my purchase (enjoying it very much) I can't help but drool on a 1080p set...
To the OP: Sorry can't help you spec-wise, I'm a semi-n00b myself, however I'd suggest saving a bit more and get to the Epson 1080 / 1080UB price range :)
checklst 01-24-09, 12:42 PM I would go over to the Mitz 5500 thread and give it a good read. Specks and picture quality are vary nice. It's only around $150 over your budget(after 300 rebate) but it does come with a spare bulb(worth about 300) maybe she will see the value of the extra bulb brings to the party.
It's really hitting your budget of 1500 and purchasing the extra bulb for 150 bucks......not a bad deal in my book for the quality I see in that thread. Last good thing its a AV sponsor and it has a good warranty.
If no to budget stretch, I would oppt for a good 720 machine....the Sharp DT510 is a vary good unit for the money but with an extra bulb will only be a few hundred form the Mits 5500. I would not purchase a referb unit unless it was from a form dealer with a warranty(Just My oppinion):)
Have her write the check for 1500 and take a few hundred form you beer stash.....all married men should have a stash.... if not (what the heck is wrong with you man) LOL
Good Luck
dysfunction26 01-24-09, 02:35 PM You must not be married :rolleyes:
I am married. We keep our money separate, when I have enough to buy what I want...I buy it. The other guy is right, you shouldn't need permission to buy something you want, just have enough money saved to buy it. I think that's why so many marriages fail, because they don't separate their finances.
dysfunction26 01-24-09, 02:36 PM Refurbished BenQ W5000 is available for less than $1,500 and that is 1080p.
checklst 01-24-09, 03:15 PM Refurbished BenQ W5000 is available for less than $1,500 and that is 1080p.
Have to admit a referb 5000 from BQ for less than 1500 has my attention.
I would not go 1080p for the simple fact that it's 1080p, what size screen do you use? Are you going to a bigger screen? Is your seating distance going to change? There are some great threads on entry level 1080p vs. high end 720p projectors on this forum. In my opinion, high end 720p is the way to go. You get much better optics, better processing and more features for the dollor than anything under $3000.00 in the 1080p crowd.
I agree. People do not realize just how good an image that projectors like the Marantz VP-12S4, Sharp 12000 MK II and Yamaha DP-1300 can provide using HD and SD sources. The Marantz can also make the gray bars go away (if you have a dark dedicated room) by blanking out the DMD panel for the unused screen areas.
100 inches at 11 feet away ? That'd pretty much be the sweet spot for 1080p...
I have a Z5 and while I do not regret my purchase (enjoying it very much) I can't help but drool on a 1080p set...
To the OP: Sorry can't help you spec-wise, I'm a semi-n00b myself, however I'd suggest saving a bit more and get to the Epson 1080 / 1080UB price range :)
100" screen from 11 feet. That is slighter greater than 1.5 viewing distance. With that size screen and viewing distance, I would put a Marantz VP-12S4 against any under $3,000 1080p projector.
I am married. We keep our money separate, when I have enough to buy what I want...I buy it. The other guy is right, you shouldn't need permission to buy something you want, just have enough money saved to buy it. I think that's why so many marriages fail, because they don't separate their finances.
Just my opinion, but I think you have that backwards and this is coming from a guy who's wife does not bring in any money.
dysfunction26 01-24-09, 06:22 PM Just my opinion, but I think you have that backwards and this is coming from a guy who's wife does not bring in any money.
Do you have to ask your wife for permission to buy something? That may be where the difference lies. My wife works, if you look up the top reasons for divorce, if I remember correctly fights over money is the number one reason...then infidelity. It may have changed since I last looked, but money is one of the reasons couples fight. Only 50% of couples actually stay married, so the money thing is pretty substantial.
My suggestion is to save money and go 720p DLP. You will see a noticeable resolution increase for as little as $750 (sharp dt-510) or a refurb Marantz VP8600 and keep the DLP look that you enjoy.
Having seen my friends 1080p systems, there ain't nothing wrong with 720p DLP.
Poor is the man Whose pleasures depend On the permission of another
Totally crass.
especially : having or indicating such grossness of mind as precludes delicacy and discrimination b: being beneath one's dignity
reconlabtech 01-24-09, 11:16 PM 50% of marriages end these days because of selfishness. One is not getting what they want from the other so good-bye. These loose bonds of selfish children never last. Marriage is an understanding and a bond beyond selfishness. It is based on security, trust, and faith in each other to look beyond what each wants to provide for each other. "Permission" from a wife is not mommy saying ok you can have your toy, it's a mature adult trusting in the decision of their partner to not endanger their bond by being selfish and behaving childishly. She is saying, I trust you. If not, you don't have a marriage, you have a roommate.
Do you have to ask your wife for permission to buy something? That may be where the difference lies. My wife works, if you look up the top reasons for divorce, if I remember correctly fights over money is the number one reason...then infidelity. It may have changed since I last looked, but money is one of the reasons couples fight. Only 50% of couples actually stay married, so the money thing is pretty substantial.
No I do not. I splurge some on HT stuff, but other than that that I am pretty conservative with my spending. To me keeping our money separate would feel like we were not 100% committed to the marriage. There is no mine and hers. All of it is ours.
dysfunction26 01-25-09, 01:11 AM No I do not. I splurge some on HT stuff, but other than that that I am pretty conservative with my spending. To me keeping our money separate would feel like we were not 100% committed to the marriage. There is no mine and hers. All of it is ours.
If she's not working, then technically there is just yours. I would say more, but knowing the mods it would just get removed. Listen to Tom Leykis...lol.
dysfunction26 01-25-09, 01:12 AM 50% of marriages end these days because of selfishness. One is not getting what they want from the other so good-bye. These loose bonds of selfish children never last. Marriage is an understanding and a bond beyond selfishness. It is based on security, trust, and faith in each other to look beyond what each wants to provide for each other. "Permission" from a wife is not mommy saying ok you can have your toy, it's a mature adult trusting in the decision of their partner to not endanger their bond by being selfish and behaving childishly. She is saying, I trust you. If not, you don't have a marriage, you have a roommate.
Nope, having to get permission just means she has your testicles in her pocket. :D
dysfunction26 01-25-09, 01:28 AM Also, if you get divorced half of what you have earned and collected over the years becomes hers, even if she cheats on you and that is the reason you get divorced. If a marriage is about both contributing equally, each spouse would be working. In California, if you are married over 10 years, you have to pay alimony for the rest of your life, unless she gets remarried, which usually never happens. There is no fairness in marriage, or divorce, unless both parties are contributing financially and emotionally.
john barlow 01-25-09, 12:15 PM I am married. We keep our money separate, when I have enough to buy what I want...I buy it. The other guy is right, you shouldn't need permission to buy something you want, just have enough money saved to buy it. I think that's why so many marriages fail, because they don't separate their finances.
I am married, my wife stays at home and takes care of the house. Our accounts are jointly maintained. I always consult my wife before spending on large purchases. I have gotten practically everything I have asked for. I recently let my wife know that it is her turn and anything she wants material wise is fine by me.
We have a partnership 50/50. I would never even dream of keeping money separate. what's mine is hers and vice versa.
We have been together for 30 years and it's been wonderful. I look forward to the next thirty years.
dysfunction26 01-25-09, 02:19 PM I am married, my wife stays at home and takes care of the house. Our accounts are jointly maintained. I always consult my wife before spending on large purchases. I have gotten practically everything I have asked for. I recently let my wife know that it is her turn and anything she wants material wise is fine by me.
We have a partnership 50/50. I would never even dream of keeping money separate. what's mine is hers and vice versa.
We have been together for 30 years and it's been wonderful. I look forward to the next thirty years.
That may have been how it worked 30 years ago, but in this day and age it shouldn't happen that way. Women wanted equal rights, if they wanted equal rights, why do they want their ex-husband to support them when they get divorced? Why do they want to be housewives and not work? Women are half of the workforce these days, it's not the same as it was 30 years ago. If a marriage is a 50/50 partnership, then both should contribute equally financially, so that doesn't make much sense.
reconlabtech 01-25-09, 02:50 PM If a marriage is a 50/50 partnership, then both should contribute equally financially, so that doesn't make much sense.
It's not - it's 100/100 and if you are only giving 50% then it's no wonder things aren't right.
Both partners contribute in different ways and finances is only one of those.
Equal rights is about being treated equally in similar conditions, not making women suffer to get what you expect.
Your 50/50 equal finances contribution sounds exactly like what I was talking about - roommates.
reconlabtech 01-25-09, 02:53 PM I am married, my wife stays at home and takes care of the house. Our accounts are jointly maintained. I always consult my wife before spending on large purchases. I have gotten practically everything I have asked for. I recently let my wife know that it is her turn and anything she wants material wise is fine by me.
We have a partnership 50/50. I would never even dream of keeping money separate. what's mine is hers and vice versa.
We have been together for 30 years and it's been wonderful. I look forward to the next thirty years.
Congrats to you and your wife John. My wife and I have been together 28 years and have loved every day living just the way you described.
FremontRich 01-25-09, 03:30 PM The debate between 720p and 1080p is more than just about resolution. The higher resolution also bring more subtly and color to the image on the screen. There's no way a 720p projector can do that. I have a Mitsubishi HC3000 and a Marantz VP15S1 and the difference is very apparent, especially the ability of the Marantz to display color nuances.
Bruce Wayne 01-25-09, 04:12 PM UMMM, I negate the whole 720p for the money if and only if you can score one of those W5000 for under $1500.00 . That my friend would be the only way to go!!!!
dysfunction26 01-25-09, 06:34 PM It's not - it's 100/100 and if you are only giving 50% then it's no wonder things aren't right.
Both partners contribute in different ways and finances is only one of those.
Equal rights is about being treated equally in similar conditions, not making women suffer to get what you expect.
Your 50/50 equal finances contribution sounds exactly like what I was talking about - roommates.
OK, if you're wife is not working, then she isn't giving 100% either. She's not doing anything other than she would be doing living on her own, as far as the cooking and cleaning goes. She is actually giving less, because she doesn't have to work, if she was single she would have to work and do all of that. They did a study, they found based on all things that come with a stay at home wife it would be cheaper to hire a maid and prostitute when you need them.
john barlow 01-25-09, 06:36 PM Congrats to you and your wife John. My wife and I have been together 28 years and have loved every day living just the way you described.
Thanks man and congrats to you too. Dysfunction doesn't get it. Might explain his username. My wife could work if she wanted to. I make enough money right now for both of us .It's nice to have somone always at home. Our place looks great. I always have fresh homemade cookies and other gooodies waiting for me when I get home. And that's the thing I like best. I can't wait to get home every day.
Oh Yeah, and one more thing. My wife and I are equal in every way. It doesn't matter who brings home the pay check. it all evens out. She does a lot and works maybe harder than I do. Like I said, the place looks great. That doesn't happen by itself. If she wanted to, I would be willing to switch roles and be the one that stays home. I am going to retire in two years. I might get another job and I might not. Life is good.
Dysfunction, how comforting it must be for your wife knowing that she could easily be replaced by a maid and a prostitute.
Ethenolas 01-25-09, 10:27 PM Just curious...
Are your wives 720p or 1080p?
dysfunction26 01-25-09, 11:21 PM Thanks man and congrats to you too. Dysfunction doesn't get it. Might explain his username. My wife could work if she wanted to. I make enough money right now for both of us .It's nice to have somone always at home. Our place looks great. I always have fresh homemade cookies and other gooodies waiting for me when I get home. And that's the thing I like best. I can't wait to get home every day.
Oh Yeah, and one more thing. My wife and I are equal in every way. It doesn't matter who brings home the pay check. it all evens out. She does a lot and works maybe harder than I do. Like I said, the place looks great. That doesn't happen by itself. If she wanted to, I would be willing to switch roles and be the one that stays home. I am going to retire in two years. I might get another job and I might not. Life is good.
Dysfunction, how comforting it must be for your wife knowing that she could easily be replaced by a maid and a prostitute.
My wife contributes equally, she has nothing to worry about.
Focus gentlemen! This conversation is for the my wife is better than your wife thread. :rolleyes:
1080p or 720p?
btokars 01-26-09, 08:27 AM My wife contributes equally, she has nothing to worry about.
Trying to focus on the 720p vs 1080p issue - I say go for 1080p. But one more wife comment...
We just started our 35th year together and it has been a true partnership. These days I don't work due to disability but she does (thank goodness). When it comes to home theater, she is also seriously involved.
She built our screen, helped run cables and encouraged me to find the best gear that was within our budget. When it was time for an upgrade, I made the projector choice and she did the full installation. Here's the video to prove it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGhf0JMSXZo
Yeah, I know, she's a keeper. And while we are done upgrading for a while, I can tell you that the theater in our home is always more satisfying when she is sitting next to me.
1080p - all the way.
Wow, I didn’t realize that my comment about permission would be taken so literally. What I meant to say is that my wife and I decided that we could afford to spend some money to upgrade our HT system, but we should not go overboard because we have other obligations (read: children).
Dysfunction – Wow dude, you really have a warped view of what a marriage is supposed to be. It is a partnership in every way and is based upon mutual trust. I can’t understand how married couples have separate bank accounts. It just seems to me that you are not fully committed to the marriage and are trying to keep your options open. How do you deal with things that come up like your children needing new clothes, or who is going to pay for groceries this week? I just don’t get it. My wife and I have joint finances and everything else is in both our names. We always consult one another when making a large purchase. It truly goes both ways. We have the strongest marriage of anybody we know, and it is based upon mutual trust and respect. Although we must consider our finances when we want something, they are really an ancillary aspect of our marriage.
BTW, thanks for everybody’s input on the 1080p vs 720p debate. I am getting a lot of good info. We probably won’t be upgrading until fall but I wanted to begin my research early. I might even wait until the BF deals. Like I said before, we are very happy with our IN72 right now. The picture is amazing and many who see it can’t believe it is only a 480p projector. I guess I just have upgrade-itis and want more.
Please keep the information/opinions coming but lets try to keep it on topic.
Luis Gabriel Gerena 01-26-09, 11:02 AM I would not go 1080p for the simple fact that it's 1080p, what size screen do you use? Are you going to a bigger screen? Is your seating distance going to change? There are some great threads on entry level 1080p vs. high end 720p projectors on this forum. In my opinion, high end 720p is the way to go. You get much better optics, better processing and more features for the dollor than anything under $3000.00 in the 1080p crowd.
AMEN!
Its simply amazing that so many people automatically think 1080p is better.
Did you know a cheap lens will kill any advantage in resolution a 1080p has over a 720p with high end optics?
Dont believe me?
Check a DSLR camera and take several pics with different quality lenses....you will get MUCH better detail out of a high end lens than with a cheapo one and the pixel count never changed.
Like others mentioned also, resolution its just ONE aspect and there are many other things to consider before buying one projector so please, dont play the number's game guys. :-)
Regards
With that in mind, any suggestions on a good 720 pj? I imagine that since the pq is so good on the IN72, that I would probably be quite happy with an IN 76.
Are there any others out there that are comparable and would cost less?
reconlabtech 01-26-09, 03:04 PM With that in mind, any suggestions on a good 720 pj? I imagine that since the pq is so good on the IN72, that I would probably be quite happy with an IN 76.
Are there any others out there that are comparable and would cost less?
Sharp DT-510, can be found for < $800
I am married, my wife stays at home and takes care of the house. Our accounts are jointly maintained. I always consult my wife before spending on large purchases. I have gotten practically everything I have asked for. I recently let my wife know that it is her turn and anything she wants material wise is fine by me.
We have a partnership 50/50. I would never even dream of keeping money separate. what's mine is hers and vice versa.
We have been together for 30 years and it's been wonderful. I look forward to the next thirty years.
Well said. We are only on year 16, but I look forward to many more. Like yours, my wife takes care of the house, the kids and me.:)
The debate between 720p and 1080p is more than just about resolution. The higher resolution also bring more subtly and color to the image on the screen. There's no way a 720p projector can do that. I have a Mitsubishi HC3000 and a Marantz VP15S1 and the difference is very apparent, especially the ability of the Marantz to display color nuances.
You are not comparing equal (other than resolution) projectors. If viewing equal projectors from 1.5 or greater viewing distance then there is not much if any difference. See the Athens thread. www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=767929&highlight=720p+1080p
Most of the time the 1080p projector looks better because it is not a fair contest. People try to compare an entry level 720p projector to a 1080p projector. In those cases the 1080p projector has more advantages than just resolution.
OK, if you're wife is not working, then she isn't giving 100% either. She's not doing anything other than she would be doing living on her own, as far as the cooking and cleaning goes. She is actually giving less, because she doesn't have to work, if she was single she would have to work and do all of that. They did a study, they found based on all things that come with a stay at home wife it would be cheaper to hire a maid and prostitute when you need them.
All I can say about this is, good luck. I do not mean this in a hateful way.
DaGamePimp 01-26-09, 06:00 PM Guys , lets keep it to projectors , nobody here should be giving marriage advise and it will only serve to lock the thread . There is no science to marriage , what works for some may not work for others and we are not here to judge :) .
IMO , the best deal going right now is the BenQ W5000 @ $1299 , it's a steal for that performace level .
- Jason
Guys , lets keep it to projectors , nobody here should be giving marriage advise and it will only serve to lock the thread . There is no science to marriage , what works for some may not work for others and we are not here to judge :) .
IMO , the best deal going right now is the BenQ W5000 @ $1299 , it's a steal for that performace level .
- Jason
I very much agree on W5000. I suggested it back on the first page of this thread (post 16) before we got off on this tangent.
Ethenolas 01-26-09, 09:35 PM Guys , lets keep it to projectors , nobody here should be giving marriage advise and it will only serve to lock the thread . There is no science to marriage , what works for some may not work for others and we are not here to judge :) .
IMO , the best deal going right now is the BenQ W5000 @ $1299 , it's a steal for that performace level .
- Jason
Where is that deal going on?
scrubsr1 01-26-09, 10:00 PM The refurb benq w5000 deal ended a few days ago.
The refurb benq w5000 deal ended a few days ago.
I would keep checking. It ended last week and then came back. It could do it again.
DaGamePimp 01-26-09, 10:28 PM Where is that deal going on?
It was on the BenQ online store but it appears they are gone again :( ( for good this time ? who knows ? ) .
- Jason
raftermanfmj 01-27-09, 02:24 AM poor is the man whose pleasures depend on the permission of another
+1
Deal for the BenQ W5000 Reurbs is back-
They even mention that it IS version 2.01, so ya don't have to worry about the FW!!
What a steal....I REALLY wish this was a bit shorter throw.
If your interested in a W5000 Refurb, ya better act quick, cuz they don't stick around long!!
Friday, Feb 13th- 7:21am ET.
BigTex71 02-13-09, 09:50 AM In my opinion, high end 720p is the way to go. You get much better optics, better processing and more features for the dollor than anything under $3000.00 in the 1080p crowd.
But if you open up the conversation to slightly used PJs, then the JVC DLA-RS1 can be had for less than $3k (I just picked one up yesterday.) That is a pretty darn good PJ.
What kind of price are you talking for a 'high end' 720p? For under $3k, you can get some mighty good new1080p LCD projectors. And, at least to me, there is a huge difference in 720p to 1080p assuming you have a 1080p source. But maybe its just all in my head. I am kinda strange, after all.
But if you open up the conversation to slightly used PJs, then the JVC DLA-RS1 can be had for less than $3k (I just picked one up yesterday.) That is a pretty darn good PJ.
What kind of price are you talking for a 'high end' 720p? For under $3k, you can get some mighty good new1080p LCD projectors. And, at least to me, there is a huge difference in 720p to 1080p assuming you have a 1080p source. But maybe its just all in my head. I am kinda strange, after all.
From 1.5 x screen width viewing distance a high end 720p projector will provide an image that many say is equal to a high end 1080p projector. The Athens HT group put on a test between two Marantz projectors, one 720p and the other 1080p (12S4 and 11S1). 30 to 35 people viewed this test and many of them preferred the image from the 720p projector thinking it was the 1080p projector.
Is the HDMI 1.1 on the W5000?
shinksma 02-14-09, 09:41 AM Is the HDMI 1.1 on the W5000?
HDMI 1.2a, according what I read somewhere around here or maybe Art's site.
It's definitely not HDMI 1.3.
Really, for a PJ with no audio and no deep color source, HDMI 1.1 is all that is needed, maybe even HDMI 1.0.
AFAIK, IMHO,
shinksma
eightninesuited 02-14-09, 11:30 AM HDMI 1.2a, according what I read somewhere around here or maybe Art's site.
It's definitely not HDMI 1.3.
Really, for a PJ with no audio and no deep color source, HDMI 1.1 is all that is needed, maybe even HDMI 1.0.
AFAIK, IMHO,
shinksma
HDMI 1.3 is faster at syncing it seems and there's auto-lip sync if all HDMI units in the chain are 1.3 spec.
HDMI 1.3 is faster at syncing it seems and there's auto-lip sync if all HDMI units in the chain are 1.3 spec.
Well then I guess someone should tell the engineers at Epson about that faster Syncing, as one of the biggest gripes with the 61/6500 is the dreadful amount of time it takes to sync.
I never heard of the "Auto" lip sync either, so I must be way behind the times there.
eightninesuited 02-14-09, 09:59 PM Well then I guess someone should tell the engineers at Epson about that faster Syncing, as one of the biggest gripes with the 61/6500 is the dreadful amount of time it takes to sync.
I never heard of the "Auto" lip sync either, so I must be way behind the times there.
That's probably because they are cheapening every part of projectors nowadays. My Epson 720 was instantaneous at syncing. Too bad it was such a piece of crap (color shift), but that's another story.
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