I can finally say what I want to say about this game! Though I have not completed a write-up on it yet (working on a little something), I figured I open a forum (or thread) on the topic so you can ask someone who has comepleted the game anything you wish.


Here is a simple Q&A:

1) Is this a must buy for PS3 shooter fans?
The simple answer is--Yes!


2) How long did it take for you to complete the game?
Though I didnt officially time myself, I'm pretty sure it took roughly 8-10 hours to complete.


3) Did you play a final retail version of the game?
No - The version I played was beta code and though not complete--never crashed once on me. I am already thoroughly impressed with the amount of polish that has gone into this game.


4) How is the multiplayer?
I honestly didnt get a chance to play against live opponants. Sony PR held several MP sessions for press/media over the last month but the two different times I tried to connect via the MP portion of the game--it failed. I dont know if this was an issue with my nework (doubtful) or theirs. But what I've played with the bots was really fun and I think CoD4 fans will love it.


5) How does the game look? Does it look as good as the the screens and videos we've seen on various gaming sites?
Technically speaking this game is a beast. I mean to say that the graphical fidelity is stunning and unlike anything else on any console. Not only that, it runs without a hickup or drop in frame rate. There is one particular area that takes place in the desert and I can only put it like this: You know those moments in gaming where you just have to stop, looking around in awe? You know those parts or sections of a video game you show off to your buddies to show them how graphically impressive games can be on youor new HDTV? This is one of those levels.

Now, that being said (and this is important), will you enjoy the art direction? Though more varied than Gear of War 1 & 2--I wonder if there will be enough variety for everyone. Speaking for myself, I could have used a little more variety.


6) Is there really a trophy for beating the final boss in under 20 minutes?
Yes :)


7) How are the controls?
One of my biggest issues with the game, for me, are the controls. Everything is fine except for the acceleration that is used with the look movement. Some of you Windows users might be familiar with this because the same effect (acceleration) can be applied to the cursor. Basically what happens is the reticle will start moving slowly and will slightly increase in its movement speed as you apply the same preasure. It's not a deal breaker in the slightest but it does take some time to get use to. I found that it was throwing off my aim at times even once I did feel like I had settled in--but who knows, some of you may like this.


I know there are many more topics to cover so feel free to ask away.

20 minutes to beat the boss? holy molly, finally a super challenging boss that will make me to break a controller, loving it.

thank you, WC, cant wait for the full review.
awesome.

Finally my PS3 will get some more gaming love! There has been a dry spell since MGS4....

Finally my PS3 will get some more gaming love! There has been a dry spell since MGS4....

I guess if you were cryogenically frozen last holiday season... :rolleyes:

Have you played Killzone 1 and if so do some of the levels to KZ2 give off tham i've seen this before vibe? (cuz most of the vids I have seen some levels look familiar as if they took those from the 1st game and re-did them for this game but added the changes)


Do you think this will BREAK my SOCRACK addicition even they are 2 different types of shooter. ( I'm basically looking for a heavy featured out of the box type of game and socrack hasnt been able to fulfil that yet, and I also read you didnt get to do MP so this is going to have to be off the vibe you got out of the SP to carry over to an online type of arena)

Good break down of the question you answered so far GJ.

I guess if you were cryogenically frozen last holiday season... :rolleyes:

Agreed, while there were no "Halokillurz" since then, there were plenty of great games out, both exclusive and multiplat.


Good on K2, sounds like the hard work will pay off. Little dissapointed the SP is only 10 hours, but that's normal this gen it seems. I'm a SP and Coop junky, so it'll probably only bother me.


Can you comment on the AI a bit? Especially on the harder/hardest difficulty's? Better then COD4/5? Not as cheap?

How about a compare and contrast with COD4/5 and what it does right, and what COD does better in your opinion, since that seems to be the golden gun that everything is held against in console of FPSers



(Halokillurs is a joke, please note sarcasm)

I guess if you were cryogenically frozen last holiday season... :rolleyes:

No kidding. I have too many games going right now. I need to hurry up and finish a couple of the so I can be ready for KZ2

7) How are the controls?
One of my biggest issues with the game, for me, are the controls. Everything is fine except for the acceleration that is used with the look movement. Some of you Windows users might be familiar with this because the same effect (acceleration) can be applied to the cursor. Basically what happens is the reticle will start moving slowly and will slightly increase in its movement speed as you apply the same preasure. It's not a deal breaker in the slightest but it does take some time to get use to. I found that it was throwing off my aim at times even once I did feel like I had settled in--but who knows, some of you may like this.


I know there are many more topics to cover so feel free to ask away.

I'm guessing that there isn't an option to turn this acceleration off? This sounds like it could be frustrated until you get used to it. I wonder why they set it up that way?

OP- Great post! Did you play the first game? If so, are the controls similar? I went back and played KZ1 this weekend and the controls of the original are HORRIBLE! I hate them!

Also, is there mouse/keyboard support like in the KZ1?

Have you played Killzone 1 and if so do some of the levels to KZ2 give off tham i've seen this before vibe? (cuz most of the vids I have seen some levels look familiar as if they took those from the 1st game and re-did them for this game but added the changes)


Do you think this will BREAK my SOCRACK addicition even they are 2 different types of shooter. ( I'm basically looking for a heavy featured out of the box type of game and socrack hasnt been able to fulfil that yet, and I also read you didnt get to do MP so this is going to have to be off the vibe you got out of the SP to carry over to an online type of arena)

Good break down of the question you answered so far GJ.


Sorry man, I actually did not play the first game. Socom and KZ2 are different games, but I think this game's MP is going to be very popular. It's a lot of fun--even with bots. :)

I guess if you were cryogenically frozen last holiday season... :rolleyes:


Or he is a multi console owner. No need to be rude.

Sorry man, I actually did not play the first game. Socom and KZ2 are different games, but I think this game's MP is going to be very popular. It's a lot of fun--even with bots. :)

Bot question if I may, is it possible to have say 16 players VS. 16 bots?

Can you comment on the AI a bit? Especially on the harder/hardest difficulty's? Better then COD4/5? Not as cheap?

How about a compare and contrast with COD4/5 and what it does right, and what COD does better in your opinion, since that seems to be the golden gun that everything is held against in console of FPSers

The AI isnt going to raise the bar, but it does work well. They will try to flank you, vary their stop-and-pop routines and generally mess with you. It's good stuff.

In regards to CoD4 (havent played 5 yet) it's a close one. Of course it's completely subjective too right? But they almost do not share anything in common except for the obvious things (FPS, Guns, etc), but they look very different, take place in completely different environments, have different pacing.

I'm only hesitant because it's been ages since I played CoD4 SP and I didnt get into the MP much.

I'm guessing that there isn't an option to turn this acceleration off? This sounds like it could be frustrated until you get used to it. I wonder why they set it up that way?

Not in my build! Perhaps its something we'll see in the final version of the game?

Bot question if I may, is it possible to have say 16 players VS. 16 bots?


When I played, I jacked up the bot total to its max (for this particular map it was 15 bots), so it was 8 per side and there was nary a hickup or studder--it was pretty impressive.

When I played, I jacked up the bot total to its max (for this particular map it was 15 bots), so it was 8 per side and there was nary a hickup or studder--it was pretty impressive.

Very cool! I spend a lot of time with people playing us VS the computer. After a tough day at work you don't always want to play competatively, you just want to vent/chat/laugh at eachother and relax while playing against the A.I.

Can you do a deathmatch against bots with two people playing splitscreen?

Can you do a deathmatch against bots with two people playing splitscreen?

I dont think there is a coop mode of any type, or split-screen.

I dont think there is a coop mode of any type, or split-screen.

Dammit. Oh well, I'm still impressed by what you had to say. Definitely looking forward to more opinions from AVS users.

Watching some of the BETA™ videos, it looks like nobody pulls the weapon up via L1 in COD4 for more precise aiming. Is this an option, and is it even needed for shooting people farther away in KZ2?

Watching some of the BETA™ videos, it looks like nobody pulls the weapon up via L1 in COD4 for more precise aiming. Is this an option, and is it even needed for shooting people farther away in KZ2?


Yes you can zoom in some fashion with every weapon. The default is R3 and I know you can set in the options whether to have it toggle or stick.

Finally my PS3 will get some more gaming love! There has been a dry spell since MGS4....

*crickets*

Yes you can zoom in some fashion with every weapon. The default is R3 and I know you can set in the options whether to have it toggle or stick.

Hmm, wondering if it improves accuracy...

If it doesn't, then it's a waste of time and that's the reason you don't see people playing that way. Hopefully that's not the case.

Hmm, wondering if it improves accuracy...

If it doesn't, then it's a waste of time and that's the reason you don't see people playing that way. Hopefully that's not the case.

That's the reason I used it. You might see people using a lot less because it's a little awkward to use by pressing in the stick. ;-/

That's the reason I used it. You might see people using a lot less because it's a little awkward to use by pressing in the stick. ;-/

will we be able to set up the controls like COD? i like the control scheme for COD.

Will there be sliders to turn down language, blood like Battlefield Bad Company?

will we be able to set up the controls like COD? i like the control scheme for COD.

I honestly didnt mess around with customizing the controls beyond inverting the Y-axis. Sorry.

Will there be sliders to turn down language, blood like Battlefield Bad Company?

These were not present in build that I played.

From what I've read, the demo coming out for EU this week is the first 2 stages. Will people get a good feel of the overall game from this demo?

I honestly didnt mess around with customizing the controls beyond inverting the Y-axis. Sorry.

i answered my own question.
http://boardsus.playstation.com/playstation/board/message?board.id=killzone2&thread.id=121595

Due to popular demand, here are the controller configurations the game will ship with.



STANDARD 1

L1 - Close combat

L2 - Crouch

R1 - Fire

R2 - Grenade



^ - Swap Weapons

[] - Reload/Pick up weapon (Hold)

O - Use

X - Jump



Left Analogue - Movement

Right Analogue - Look

L3 - Sprint

R3 - Zoom



STANDARD 2

L1 - Close Combat

L2 - Crouch

R1 - Grenade

R2 - Fire



^ - Swap Weapon

[] - Reload/Pick up weapon (Hold)

O - Use

X - Jump



Left Analogue - Movement

Right Analogue - Look

L3 - Sprint

R3 - Zoom



STANDARD 3

L1 - Close Combat

L2 - Crouch

R1 - Fire

R2 - Grenade



^ - Swap Weapon

[] - Reload/Pick up weapon (Hold)

O - Use

X - Jump



Left Analogue - Look

Right Analogue - Movement

L3 - Zoom

R3 - Sprint



STANDARD 4

L1 - Close Combat

L2 - Crouch

R1 - Grenade

R2 - Fire



^ - Swap Weapon

[] - Reload/Pick up weapon (Hold)

O - Use

X - Jump



Left Analogue - Look

Right Analogue - Movement

L3 - Zoom

R3 - Sprint



ALTERNATE 1

L1 - Grenade

L2 - Crouch

R1 - Fire

R2 - Swap Weapon



^ - Close combat

[] - Reload/Pick up weapon (Hold)

O - Use

X - Jump



Left Analogue - Movement

Right Analogue - Look

L3 - Sprint

R3 - Zoom



ALTERNATE 2

L1 - Zoom

L2 - Crouch

R1 - Fire

R2 - Grenade



^ - Swap Weapon

[] - Reload/Pick up weapon (Hold)

O - Use

X - Jump



Left Analogue - Movement

Right Analogue - Look

L3 - Sprint

R3 - Close Combat





ADDITIONAL

Invert X Axis

Invert Y Axis

X Axis sensitivity

Y Axis sensitivity

Zoom Hold toggle

Dpad-L/R/Down - Inventory

Crouch Hold toggle (MP only)

Dpad-Up - Objectives (SP Only)



And that is that. Please don't ask me to try and justify every single combination and button placement. I might cry.



Seb Downie - QA Manager - Guerrilla Games

From what I've read, the demo coming out for EU this week is the first 2 stages. Will people get a good feel of the overall game from this demo?

Yea I think so.

Yea I think so.

Do you have access to all classes and weapons for offline play (bot matches)?

HOLY CRAP! THIS ONE WILL HAVE JUMP!!! Thank you Guerrella!

Just incase you didn't play the first one...it had no jump button... :)

7) How are the controls?
One of my biggest issues with the game, for me, are the controls. Everything is fine except for the acceleration that is used with the look movement. Some of you Windows users might be familiar with this because the same effect (acceleration) can be applied to the cursor. Basically what happens is the reticle will start moving slowly and will slightly increase in its movement speed as you apply the same preasure. It's not a deal breaker in the slightest but it does take some time to get use to. I found that it was throwing off my aim at times even once I did feel like I had settled in--but who knows, some of you may like this.


I know there are many more topics to cover so feel free to ask away.

D@mn it! This was the exact problem with the Far Cry 2 controls that KILLED the entire game for me. Nothing's worse than sloppy controls for a FPS.

I really hope the acceleration isn't that bad. Why don't deveolpers make this an option?? A simple checkmark for acceleration on/off.

D@mn it! This was the exact problem with the Far Cry 2 controls that KILLED the entire game for me. Nothing's worse than sloppy controls for a FPS.

I really hope the acceleration isn't that bad. Why don't deveolpers make this an option?? A simple checkmark for acceleration on/off.

what is the acceleration thing all about?

D@mn it! This was the exact problem with the Far Cry 2 controls that KILLED the entire game for me. Nothing's worse than sloppy controls for a FPS.

I really hope the acceleration isn't that bad. Why don't deveolpers make this an option?? A simple checkmark for acceleration on/off.

FC2 had acceleration?

What about the sound. I keep hearing it supports 7.1. Is the sound that amazing and is it worth upgrading to a 7.1 TrueHD receiver?

Regarding your controller woes can't you just adjust the look speed via the in game settings. I know you can with most 1st and 3rd person shooters. I certainly did for socom.

Regarding your controller woes can't you just adjust the look speed via the in game settings. I know you can with most 1st and 3rd person shooters. I certainly did for socom.

Yea I definitely tweaked the X and Y axis sensitivities. In the build that I have (that's not retail code) there were no options to toggle the acceleration on/off which is what I really want.

*crickets*

i dont get it.... Is it supposed to symbolize me not commenting after making the statement? I must be slow.

The only PS3 exclusive I have bought since MGS4 has been Little Big Planet. Seemed like a no brainer since the reviews were excellent. The game looked amazing, but I felt like I was playing something made for a 10 year old kid. I guess the little kid in me has officially died. I couldn't get into it and have gone back to it numerous times to see if it will grow on me. As for non exclusives, i buy all of those on xbox since the majority of my friends dont have PS3's and we play online/compare achievements.

FC2 had acceleration?

It's exactly the way you describe it in Killzone. I admit, I haven't played the PS3 version, but I'm assuming it's the same as the 360 version.

Yea I definitely tweaked the X and Y axis sensitivities. In the build that I have (that's not retail code) there were no options to toggle the acceleration on/off which is what I really want.

I hope an acceptable sensitivity can be found, at least.

EDIT: The perfect "look movement", at least in my option, is from CoD4. The gaming industry should should use their control as a standard.

These were not present in build that I played.
I think it's safe to say that soldiers in war curse and bleed, why someone would want to lose that is losing parts of the realistic aspects of the game.

I think it's safe to say that soldiers in war curse and bleed, why someone would want to lose that is losing parts of the realistic aspects of the game.
Oh yes we dont want to lose any realistic aspects of the GAME maybe we could replace the controllers with real hand guns? It's a game ,if you want realistic join the army and serve in Iraq.
Seriously though there is to much of the F word being used in games now and also dismemberment, blood and gore. Im not saying remove it Im saying have sliders for those of us that have morals dont need to hear and see that stuff to be able to enjoy the GAME, We aren't all 24 yr old college guys some of us have families with children.

Hmm, wondering if it improves accuracy...

If it doesn't, then it's a waste of time and that's the reason you don't see people playing that way. Hopefully that's not the case.


it is more accurate, and is very useful depending on the distance of the shot.

also the aiming is deliberate. its kinda weird, but it gives you a sense of weight....so dont expect to jump 10 feet in the air and do a 180 degree turn in like 1 second. in games like cod or halo i can easily aim in the upper left hand corner and instantly aim at the bottom right hand corner with pretty good accuracy in like 1 second, but this game is less twitch and more tactical aim...i dunno its kinda hard to explain, but i think it works well. if you play a lot of cod, then i think you will be fine.

Oh yes we dont want to lose any realistic aspects of the GAME maybe we could replace the controllers with real hand guns? It's a game ,if you want realistic join the army and serve in Iraq.
Seriously though there is to much of the F word being used in games now and also dismemberment, blood and gore. Im not saying remove it Im saying have sliders for those of us that have morals dont need to hear and see that stuff to be able to enjoy the GAME, We aren't all 24 yr old college guys some of us have families with children.

What is immoral aobut dis-memberment? If I have morals, to me it means I know wrong from right, I don't steal, commit adultery etc. Perhaps "morals" was the wrong word here. If you feel so stronly about your morals then wouldn't you not even play a game that involves killing people? Or is it okay as long as the guy you shoot doesn't swear or drop an arm before he dies.

I apologize in advance if you take offense to this. I completely see your point and I think the games should have sliders to get rid of this stuff too, agree with you there. I just took slight offense to people thinking I immoral if I thought swears were ok in a game.

it sounds like hypocrisy to me.

Oh yes we dont want to lose any realistic aspects of the GAME maybe we could replace the controllers with real hand guns? It's a game ,if you want realistic join the army and serve in Iraq.
Seriously though there is to much of the F word being used in games now and also dismemberment, blood and gore. Im not saying remove it Im saying have sliders for those of us that have morals dont need to hear and see that stuff to be able to enjoy the GAME, We aren't all 24 yr old college guys some of us have families with children.


The game is rated mature. I wouldn't want them wasting time recording a secondary soundtrack using "fudge." I wouldn't want them to have to spend time creating different modes without blood.

The "morals" crack is hilarious. So, if you don't mind blood and cursing in mature games, you have no morals. Nice. Are headshots gone in your version, too? I guess a head exploding is okay as long as there isn't any blood. I know! A bloodless headshot should result in the Helghast's melon rising to the sky like a balloon from Happyfunland. You might want to read up on the definition of morals.

And, to suggest that making the game more realisitic with blood and cursing means it should be played with a real gun and everyone should join the army and go to Iraq? Give me a fudging break. That's a pretty damn weak argument, pal.

Here's an idea--play the game after the kids go to bed, and use headphones so they don't hear the cursing. Or, don't play the game if that stuff bothers you. There are plenty of bloodless, curseless games available. All games can't be all things to all people. I suppose you think movies should be sanitized for more sensitive people, too.


The game is called KILLZONE (2). And, I really don't care if you take offense at this post since you've already intimated that I don't have any morals.

I was in the Army and I served in Afghan. I'm still looking to play the game as it is without any censorship.

You don't like it, don't buy it.

The game is rated mature. I wouldn't want them wasting time recording a secondary soundtrack using "fudge." I wouldn't want them to have to spend time creating different modes without blood.


I'm not going to get into a morals argument, but the bigger issue is that most video game scripts seem like they were written by a bunch of 12 year olds who just learned dirty words. One of the criticisms that I read of KZ 2 is that the script is supposedly very weak with an excessive amount of cursing. I understand that there may be some cursing, but games come off as immature with gratuitous obscenities.

^ Agreed.

I'm not going to judge Killzone 2's script based on lousy scripts in games from unrelated companies. So, the point is moot. Nothing I've seen so far says to me that this script comes off like it was written by 12 year olds. To me, a poorly written script is a poorly written script regardless of potty mouthed characters. No one accuses Scorsese of being twelve, and his movies have more cursing from people buying groceries.

Have you ever heard soldiers talking during a gunfight? I'd agree with you if they were dropping F-Bombs during the Helghast newsfeeds. But, a small group of soldiers taking fire would probably use this language.

And, not to belabor the subject, the idea of a "bloodless" sanitized war is way more vulgar than any number of dismemberments or spurting blood could ever be.

I think the idea of dressing up war as fantasy entertainment for your videogame console is way more vulgar than taking that war as fantasy entertainment for your videogame console and then ommitting swear words. In any case, it is what it is, and hell I still buy them. But let's not pretend these games are anything more than what they are. Killzone 2's story is nonsense and preposterous, takiing out swear words wouldn't change that one bit.

Have you ever heard soldiers talking during a gunfight? I'd agree with you if they were dropping F-Bombs during the Helghast newsfeeds. But, a small group of soldiers taking fire would probably use this language.

You are correct with this statement. I am speaking from experience in combat. You say whatever comes to mind very quickly with all the adrenaline pumping through your veins.

I think the idea of dressing up war as fantasy entertainment for your videogame console is way more vulgar than dressing up war as fantasy entertainment for your videogame console and ommitting swear words. In any case, it is what it is, and hell I still buy them. But let's not pretend these games are anything more than what they are. Killzone 2's story is nonsense and preposterous, ommitting swear words wouldn't change that one bit.

I dunno. "Nonsense and preposterous" might be more than I'd be willing to say. Sure, it's entertainment. That's not to be forgotten. But, I'm not going to equate it with "Doom." There's a bit more substance and historical precedent that is shown in Killzone 2 from what I've seen.


Some people have always had problems with shooter games. And, shooter games have always been popular. I don't see either of those changing anytime soon.

I'd much rather have Killzone style war than GI Joe style war where every pilot ejects after his plane is hit with a missile, and every soldier simply gets knocked out.

It's exactly the way you describe it in Killzone. I admit, I haven't played the PS3 version, but I'm assuming it's the same as the 360 version.


It is. It actually produces some hilarious battles online, because you'd run across an enemy and it would take a couple seconds for either you or him to actually start shooting since it took so long to aim. Perhaps that's the reason everyone basically said 'to hell with it' and started using grenade launchers instead, although that problem has affected games with tremendous shooting mechanics as well.

I'd much rather have Killzone style war than GI Joe style war where every pilot ejects after his plane is hit with a missile, and every soldier simply gets knocked out.

And my point is that it doesn't really matter, because they are games, pretend, entertainment in the end. It's not a "war", its a bunch of code running on your PS3 where you are flying to some far away planet to battle Nazi space soldiers.

You can take Killzone, make it Candyzone, have the soldiers firing gumdrop launchers at unicorns and leprachauns, and it'd be the same game, you'd be doing the exact same stuff. And quite frankly that doesn't sound any more preposterous than the actual storyline.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying GG was wrong to have them say **** every 10 seconds, but I wouldn't say it would be wrong for them not to say it either.

The game is rated mature. I wouldn't want them wasting time recording a secondary soundtrack using "fudge." I wouldn't want them to have to spend time creating different modes without blood.

The "morals" crack is hilarious. So, if you don't mind blood and cursing in mature games, you have no morals. Nice. Are headshots gone in your version, too? I guess a head exploding is okay as long as there isn't any blood. I know! A bloodless headshot should result in the Helghast's melon rising to the sky like a balloon from Happyfunland. You might want to read up on the definition of morals.

And, to suggest that making the game more realisitic with blood and cursing means it should be played with a real gun and everyone should join the army and go to Iraq? Give me a fudging break. That's a pretty damn weak argument, pal.

Here's an idea--play the game after the kids go to bed, and use headphones so they don't hear the cursing. Or, don't play the game if that stuff bothers you. There are plenty of bloodless, curseless games available. All games can't be all things to all people. I suppose you think movies should be sanitized for more sensitive people, too.


The game is called KILLZONE (2). And, I really don't care if you take offense at this post since you've already intimated that I don't have any morals.

Got to agree with this. If your morals don't let you see dismemberment, blood and bad language, but have no qualms with pointing a gun at a person a killing him, racking up a headcount, fragging opponents, ect; then there's a huge disconnected there. Might want to take a step back.

We've had this discussion before.

If it's about the kiddo's, you got to take a step back, and stop trying to have your cake and eating it too. Reducing language and blood when the game itself is ultra violent gun play isn't going to protect little johhny from much. If anything it's going to desensitize him, since there's not real context or consequences.

Parenting means you have to evaluate a child maturity level and have frank discussions with them about stuff liker this. If they're not there yet, then sometimes you have to bite the bullet and wait for the appropriate time to enjoy your hobby.

I'm not going to get into a morals argument, but the bigger issue is that most video game scripts seem like they were written by a bunch of 12 year olds who just learned dirty words. One of the criticisms that I read of KZ 2 is that the script is supposedly very weak with an excessive amount of cursing. I understand that there may be some cursing, but games come off as immature with gratuitous obscenities.

you don't have many friends in the army, do you?

:)

It's a nerds take on the army, so some of it sounds out of place. But GI's do have worse mouths then most sailors, so take it for what it is.

And my point is that it doesn't really matter, because they are games, pretend, entertainment in the end. It's not a "war", its a bunch of code running on your PS3 where you are flying to some far away planet to battle Nazi space soldiers.

You can take Killzone, make it Candyzone, have the soldiers firing gumdrop launchers at unicorns and leprachauns, and it'd be the same game, you'd be doing the exact same stuff. And quite frankly that doesn't sound any more preposterous than the actual storyline.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying GG was wrong to have them say **** every 10 seconds, but I wouldn't say it would be wrong for them not to say it either.


I would play the **** out of Candyzone. That sounds awesome.




Seriously, I get what you are saying. I just don't necessarily agree with it. Sure, it's all bull****, and fake and made up. But, they've obviously grounded it in as much "reality" as possible. Otherwise, it'd be another game of super soldiers who can jump 30ft in the air, fire lasers from their nipples, and breath fire. They're foot soldiers on the front lines of a war. Who knows if they are still cursing as much later in the game? I've only really seen footage from the first couple of levels. I understand why they are losing their minds. I dunno. Ultimately, I think if you are focusing on the use of dirty words during the gameplay, something's wrong.

And my point is that it doesn't really matter, because they are games, pretend, entertainment in the end. It's not a "war", its a bunch of code running on your PS3 where you are flying to some far away planet to battle Nazi space soldiers.

You can take Killzone, make it Candyzone, have the soldiers firing gumdrop launchers at unicorns and leprachauns, and it'd be the same game, you'd be doing the exact same stuff. And quite frankly that doesn't sound any more preposterous than the actual storyline.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying GG was wrong to have them say **** every 10 seconds, but I wouldn't say it would be wrong for them not to say it either.

well.....

You can give the FBI walkie-talkies instead of AR15's in E.T. too. it also fundamentally changes things.

well.....

You can give the FBI walkie-talkies instead of AR15's in E.T. too. it also fundamentally changes things.

Damn. You made that point a helluva lot better than I ever could. Internet high-five!

. Otherwise, it'd be another game of super soldiers who can jump 30ft in the air, fire lasers from their nipples, and breath fire.

Man, that sounds awesome too, maybe more awesome than Candyzone.

You can give the FBI walkie-talkies instead of AR15's in E.T. too. it also fundamentally changes things.


Movies aren't games, and that change was a late stage bit of censorship anyway. Totally different. I wouldn't be in favor of Sony taking out the curse words in Killzone 2: 20th Anniversary Edition.

Ultimately, I think if you are focusing on the use of dirty words during the gameplay, something's wrong.

My point is, if the curse words bother someone due to their excessiveness, that is a valid complaint, because this isn't real life, it is a game, and the "experience" must be evaluated as a whole. If GG went overboard with the swear words, they can't fall back on "it's realistic!" especially in a game where you are traveling to another planet to fight Nazi space soldiers. It's an excuse, these games bend reality when necessary (regenerating health, etc.).

you don't have many friends in the army, do you?

:)

It's a nerds take on the army, so some of it sounds out of place. But GI's do have worse mouths then most sailors, so take it for what it is.

No, I don't have any. I guess I'm trying to project my Ph.D. mindset onto a video game script, which may not be the best idea. However, I don't think video game scripts include excessive amounts of cursing for realism; likely, developers want to appeal to teens and seem "edgy." My whole problem is that the language in many videogame scripts seems forced; for example, the movie Casino had an extreme amount of obscenities but always seemed natural, whereas most videogame scripts seem juvenile. I hear too many lines like "F*** yeah, man, let's kill some of those ******* *******," in video games.

Man, that sounds awesome too, maybe more awesome than Candyzone.


Well, we can make them nipple gumdrop shooters and use them as the protagonist in Candyzone. Compromise IS possible.





My point is, if the curse words bother someone due to their excessiveness, that is a valid complaint, because this isn't real life, it is a game, and the "experience" must be evaluated as a whole.


Someone having a problem with it doesn't make it a valid complaint. Sure--Sackboy yelling, "F, yeah!" is bad. But, Killzone 2 shouldn't be evaluated on what someone's 6 year old might see or hear when Dad is playing it. It's rated M. It's rated M for violence and language. If someone has an issue, they can elect not to play the game.

Someone having a problem with it doesn't make it a valid complaint.

Please. Have you ever played Yakuza? The swearing in the English dub was ridiculous. Way over the top. It was one of my main problems with the game, actually one of my only problems with the game. And I don't have kids thank the heavens. Are you saying that this wasn't valid?

Please. Have you ever played Yakuza? The swearing in the English dub was ridiculous. Way over the top. It was one of my main problems with the game, actually one of my only problems with the game. And I don't have kids thank the heavens. Are you saying that this wasn't valid?

Let me clarify--Someone having a complaint doesn't always make it valid.

And, as I stated earlier, a bad script is a bad script.

It's exactly the way you describe it in Killzone. I admit, I haven't played the PS3 version, but I'm assuming it's the same as the 360 version.



I hope an acceptable sensitivity can be found, at least.

EDIT: The perfect "look movement", at least in my option, is from CoD4. The gaming industry should should use their control as a standard.


I played FC2 on the PC.

Just to clear something up, from my point of view and experience with the game: I talk like a sailor in real life--cursing doesnt bother me but here it's a bit gratuitous and feels completely forced in some of the conversations (read: not every single time). If you've played Saints Row 1? It's kinda like that but just not nearly as often.

It's completely subjective so obviously not everyone will agree with me--these are just my thoughts. :)

And, not to belabor the subject, the idea of a "bloodless" sanitized war is way more vulgar than any number of dismemberments or spurting blood could ever be.


Anyone that played Haze can attest to the horribleness of nectar "sanitizing" the battlefield. :)

The game is rated mature. I wouldn't want them wasting time recording a secondary soundtrack using "fudge." I wouldn't want them to have to spend time creating different modes without blood.

The "morals" crack is hilarious. So, if you don't mind blood and cursing in mature games, you have no morals. Nice. Are headshots gone in your version, too? I guess a head exploding is okay as long as there isn't any blood. I know! A bloodless headshot should result in the Helghast's melon rising to the sky like a balloon from Happyfunland. You might want to read up on the definition of morals.

And, to suggest that making the game more realisitic with blood and cursing means it should be played with a real gun and everyone should join the army and go to Iraq? Give me a fudging break. That's a pretty damn weak argument, pal.

Here's an idea--play the game after the kids go to bed, and use headphones so they don't hear the cursing. Or, don't play the game if that stuff bothers you. There are plenty of bloodless, curseless games available. All games can't be all things to all people. I suppose you think movies should be sanitized for more sensitive people, too.


The game is called KILLZONE (2). And, I really don't care if you take offense at this post since you've already intimated that I don't have any morals.

So Mature means its for adults? So I tell little johnny dont use the F word untill he grows up then its ok to tell people to F off because he is a mature adult now? You dont want them WASTING time what kind of weak lame excuse is that ??? Killing is ok if you are in a REAL war and you are defending your country and if it takes a head shot that acceptable. Movies are already sanitized for the networks where have you been? If you think the F word isn't over used now days then you are desensitized. Just admit it you have no morals, there is no black and white just all gray and everything is ok and everything goes.Is this how you were raised by your parents?? Also i agree with you I dont care if you take offense because you need to wake up.

Wow... guys, you really need to step away from the computer for a bit and cool off. I don't think any type of conversation on games warrants questioning about the way you were raised by your parents.

C'mon now, clean it up before we get the mods involved. We're already on thin ice with them.

You are correct with this statement. I am speaking from experience in combat. You say whatever comes to mind very quickly with all the adrenaline pumping through your veins.
So are you saying 100% of the soldiers drop F bombs when they are taking fire ?
I could see some not all of the christian soldiers not doing that and probally start praying instead.

Wow... guys, you really need to step away from the computer for a bit and cool off. I don't think any type of conversation on games warrants questioning about the way you were raised by your parents.

C'mon now, clean it up before we get the mods involved. We're already on thin ice with them.

Fo sho. its just the internet guys. *Smiles and Rainbows*

So are you saying 100% of the soldiers drop F bombs when they are taking fire ?
I could see some not all of the christian soldiers not doing that and probally start praying instead.

I'm fairly certain that 100% of the soldiers in KZ2 will not simultaneously start dropping F-bombs as soon as the shooting starts.

So are you saying 100% of the soldiers drop F bombs when they are taking fire ?
I could see some not all of the christian soldiers not doing that and probally start praying instead.


Wow. That should just end there. That rolls all 3 things you shouldnt talk about on the interwebs and puts it into a nice flame drawing package.

So are you saying 100% of the soldiers drop F bombs when they are taking fire ?
I could see some not all of the christian soldiers not doing that and probally start praying instead.

I cannot say 100% of soldiers drop f-bombs while in combat because I have not gone to combat with every soldier in the history of war.

However, in the time that I was in combat (2000-2003), every soldier that I served with were dropping them all over the place out of 1. fun, 2. frustration and 3. adrenaline pumped action.

It's amazing what you learn about yourself when you're in combat.

That's why there's a(n) (unsaid) rule that you don't talk about what you do when you're in the military. It's a pact that most, if not all, soldiers adhere to.

My point is to judge a game's take on something for what it is. Some games take things seriously and put in bad language that's both well written and appropriate. Deadspace had some bad language, but it was made sense. GTAIV had tons of it, but it also made sense due to the crude satirical mem of GTA itself. Bad games like Haze tend to do it for shock factor and to get a rise of the little kiddy's, and nothing else.

That's an argument on the merits and mindset of the Dev's, and if the game is any good.

Wanting a slider to tone down the violence/language/ect. in a M rated game so a kiddo can sit and watch you slaughter 500 soldiers probably shouldn't top your priorities or qualms with said game.

So, back to K2, the dialogue is painfully scripted? how about the plot of SP? Good? Exciting? Fun? Run of the mill?

C'mon now, clean it up before we get the mods involved. We're already on thin ice with them.

We are? What happen?

I'm fairly certain that 100% of the soldiers in KZ2 will not simultaneously start dropping F-bombs as soon as the shooting starts.

I think that would actually be pretty funny.

What happen?

Somebody set us up the bomb

What was this thread about again?

So, back to K2, the dialogue is painfully scripted? how about the plot of SP? Good? Exciting? Fun? Run of the mill?

Nice save. Im also interested in plot. On a related note of gaming clarity: I was finishing Valkyria Chonricles the other day and was watching the last few episodes. My son, who is 4 and loves alicia, asked what I was doing. I said I was playing chronicles, he said but you're just watching the story. I said ya, I know. he said, Oh the story is the game.

Its easy to forget sometimes.

I'm hearing and reading that the plot is not an attractive point in this game.

So Mature means its for adults? So I tell little johnny dont use the F word untill he grows up then its ok to tell people to F off because he is a mature adult now? You dont want them WASTING time what kind of weak lame excuse is that ??? Killing is ok if you are in a REAL war and you are defending your country and if it takes a head shot that acceptable. Movies are already sanitized for the networks where have you been? If you think the F word isn't over used now days then you are desensitized. Just admit it you have no morals, there is no black and white just all gray and everything is ok and everything goes.Is this how you were raised by your parents?? Also i agree with you I dont care if you take offense because you need to wake up.

*smooch*

I'll be the bigger adult here. Ironic, no?

Wow. That should just end there. That rolls all 3 things you shouldnt talk about on the interwebs and puts it into a nice flame drawing package.

He forgot Nazis.

He forgot Nazis.

Nazi Zombies.

get it right :rolleyes:

Nazi Zombies.

get it right :rolleyes:


I blame my parents.

I blame my parents.

I blame yours too!

I blame yours too!


Please do!


Oddly enough, my dad spends his time when he's not being an active Deacon with his church manufacturing the downfall of Western Civilization one F-Bomb at a time. It's fascinating work, really. Time consuming, but I guess it was the kind of sticktuitiveness he learned in his 30 years in the Navy.

Please do!


Oddly enough, my dad spends his time when he's not being an active Deacon with his church manufacturing the downfall of Western Civilization one F-Bomb at a time. It's fascinating work, really. Time consuming, but I guess it was the kind of sticktuitiveness he learned in his 30 years in the Navy.

I fully understand!

Were these used in war times...

Were these used in war times...

Where else would you use F-Bombs? They're bombs.

Duh.





I'll be disappointed if the storyline of KZ2 is lame. But, with Brian Cox as the voice of the Helghast leader, it'll sound good, at least.

I was referring to the lighters.

bassmonkey is on a roll today.

I like to drop bombs actually, at the end of the war. Specifically on civilians, just to prove I've got the juice.

The F bomb was like the A bomb without the nuclear fallout. It's still in use today in the modern military.

Where else would you use F-Bombs? They're bombs.

Duh.





I'll be disappointed if the storyline of KZ2 is lame. But, with Brian Cox as the voice of the Helghast leader, it'll sound good, at least.

Must be a different Brian Cox, because Brian Cox is a laborer that works for me on the railroad....and I dont think he is moonlighting doing voice overs...

Must be a different Brian Cox, because Brian Cox is a laborer that works for me on the railroad....and I dont think he is moonlighting doing voice overs...

Brian Cox

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/m/rock_n_roll_051107/brian_cox_1649070.jpg

bassmonkey is on a roll today.

I like to drop bombs actually, at the end of the war. Specifically on civilians, just to prove I've got the juice.

Bassmonkey. Is that a delicacy? Some kind of fish? What kind of roll? Kaiser? Does it come with your special end of war juice? Um...I think I just threw up in my mouth a little...

--Bassmonkeee

bassmonkey is code for brassmonkey, the funky monkey. My Brass monkey is on a roll today. Sorry for the confusion.

And wasnt Brian Cox a linebacker for the Miami Dolphins?

And wasnt Brian Cox a linebacker for the Miami Dolphins?

Yes, and I bet he dropped tons of F-bombs considering he once flipped the bird to the crowd in Buffalo.

On the subject of cursing, here is the sound portion of the totalplaystation.com review:


Sound: 9.0
Brian Cox's opening speech and the CG video that plays along with it is, no exaggeration, one of the finest bits of psyche-you-up audio I've ever seen in a game. The rest of the experience only serves to uphold that intro -- well, except for the cussing.


Another review went on to call the writing terrible.

*smooch*

I'll be the bigger adult here. Ironic, no?
I'll be the MATURE one , no wait that means I can drop the F bombs now dont want to do that so lets see -----I'll take the high road instead.
No hard feelings , games are great ,peace fellow gamers.

I'll be the MATURE one , no wait that means I can drop the F bombs now dont want to do that so lets see -----I'll take the high road instead.
No hard feelings , games are great ,peace fellow gamers.


The high road? So drugs are okay in games? :D

The high road? So drugs are okay in games? :D

bass... there's no end to you, is there?

:facepalm:

.....and no end to threads quickly deteriorating.

Any new KZ2 news?

bass... there's no end to you, is there?

:facepalm:

:cool: Oh, come on--I was kidding.

.....and no end to threads quickly deteriorating.

Any new KZ2 news?


I think this thread has run its course, really. Unless you want to ask some questions of the OP who has played a review copy of the game.


This thread, though, has some new reviews posted on the last page that have some criticisms of KZ2:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15738302#post15738302

I know bass... I was kidding too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol I love it when people think saying a crude word is more of a crime than gruesome acts of murder and anarchy. It's ok to gore the make believe guys into paste but it's not ok to say a naughty word doing it!

THAT is twisted. lol

lol I love it when people think saying a crude word is more of a crime than gruesome acts of murder and anarchy. It's ok to gore the make believe guys into paste but it's not ok to say a naughty word doing it!

THAT is twisted. lol
No one said murder, gruesome acts or gore is ok , in war you are allowed to defend yourself againt the enemy so killing is justified its not murder ,dont just jump in here shooting your mouth off without reading all of the post. You are so desensitized that you think dropping F bombs is just a crude word?? lol

No one said murder, gruesome acts or gore is ok , in war you are allowed to defend yourself againt the enemy so killing is justified its not murder ,dont just jump in here shooting your mouth off without reading all of the post. You are so desensitized that you think dropping F bombs is just a crude word?? lol

Seems to me that someone who can't handle harsh language has no place playing a game about war. That's like watching porn and being offended at the words they use and not the acts they are doing. In real war then yes, you are allowed to defend yourself from the enemy. But that is reality. In reality we fight wars because we have no choice. What you are doing is sitting down to play a war simulation for pleasure.

Think about it logically as opposed to what ever backward thinking got you to this opinion. I could understand if this was a sports game or pretty much any type of game where language is controlled. Just saying "Whaaa I want my murder simulators to have less uh-oh words!" is beyond retarded. But that is of course, just my opinion.

Seems to me that someone who can't handle harsh language has no place playing a game about war. That's like watching porn and being offended at the words they use and not the acts they are doing. In real war then yes, you are allowed to defend yourself from the enemy. But that is reality. In reality we fight wars because we have no choice. What you are doing is sitting down to play a war simulation for pleasure.

Think about it logically as opposed to what ever backward thinking got you to this opinion. I could understand if this was a sports game or pretty much any type of game where language is controlled. Just saying "Whaaa I want my murder simulators to have less uh-oh words!" is beyond retarded. But that is of course, just my opinion.

"Murder simulators"? I didn't know Jack Thompson lurked AVS.

Must be a different Brian Cox, because Brian Cox is a laborer that works for me on the railroad....and I dont think he is moonlighting doing voice overs...

are you in transportation ? or management, NS or CSX?

Seems to me that someone who can't handle harsh language has no place playing a game about war. That's like watching porn and being offended at the words they use and not the acts they are doing. In real war then yes, you are allowed to defend yourself from the enemy. But that is reality. In reality we fight wars because we have no choice. What you are doing is sitting down to play a war simulation for pleasure.

Think about it logically as opposed to what ever backward thinking got you to this opinion. I could understand if this was a sports game or pretty much any type of game where language is controlled. Just saying "Whaaa I want my murder simulators to have less uh-oh words!" is beyond retarded. But that is of course, just my opinion.
So now you are comparing killzone2 to porn? and a murder simulator ? And who looks retarded now?
Now we can see who doesnt have morals. But this is just common sense and my opinion. lol

Is it just me or am I smelling Turkey in this thread.

We get it, no sliders for violence and gore. Let's get it back on topic since warcrow can answer questions. He does, after all, have the final full build

Is it just me or am I smelling Turkey in this thread.

We get it, no sliders for violence and gore. Let's get it back on topic since warcrow can answer questions. He does, after all, have the final full build

Just to clarify here I dont have a final build--no on does (that I'm away of). Final retail will probably hit a week or two before it hits the streets. That being said, this build is extremely well polished. It never crashed on me and not once did I see any graphical anamolies or warping.

Just to clarify here I dont have a final build--no on does (that I'm away of). Final retail will probably hit a week or two before it hits the streets. That being said, this build is extremely well polished. It never crashed on me and not once did I see any graphical anamolies or warping.

You said you cant get online to play against other people, but how are the bots? Do they play like people or like...well...bots?

How is the pace? COD4 SP was good because there was unlimted enemies, if you didnt move forward in a battle you'd fight until you died. I liked that it was hard to figure that out.

I was going to clean up this thread but it's a complete mess.

CLOSED

Next person who contributes to derailing a thread like this will get some time off or simply banned from the specific thread.
Besides, there are enough KZ threads to go around.