Hi,

First of all-- I currently have a Samsung PN50A650, which I am returning. It's my 3rd set (3 defective ones) and the place I bought it from ran out of 650s and so now I am back at the drawing board.

I would like feedback from people that have the 5020 about the following:

1- Has anyone with a 5020 witnessed the grey horizontal lines that plagued all 3 of my Samsungs? Here is the link to my thread which illustrates the problems that I have had:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1106410

2- What other issues can plague the 5020? Is Pink tint/hue a problem? I'm tired of calling/returning TVs and just want to be 'done' with it so I can finally enjoy myself.

Calibrators, or those that know the 5020 and the 550/650 Samsungs:
How accurate is the color of the 5020 when compared to the Samsung? Disregarding blacks, I am more concerned with accuracy. One of the reasons I was drawn to the Samsung was the color accuracy, or more accurately, how accurate it can be once calibrated.

1- Which panel is more accurate, colorwise, out of the box-- when the user is able to adjust colors using what's available on the panel- the 5020 or the 550/650s? (I ask because the 550/650s have a lot more adjustability than the 5020).

2- Which is more accurate when both sets are calibrated professionally?

If I order through the same place, they'll give me $150 off whatever I choose, plus they also gave me $150 cash, so I can use that if I go with a different vendor, or save $300 total going with them again.

I originally paid about $1400 for the 650, and in this case, the 5020 would run a little over $1700 (with shipping). Or, I could get the Samsung 550 for about $1050 shipped to the door. The only reason I went with the 650 over the 550 initially was the supposed better anti-reflectiveness, which I'm not too concerned with anymore.

So, 5020 for $1700 or 550 for $1050? I know some of you would jump all over the $1700 price of the Kuro, as I would have back in November, but I'm really concerned with the things I mentioned above and so I would appreciate any kind of detailed responses, instead of "do it!! it's only $1700!!", etc.etc.. :)

Thanks everyone! This is a great place and am looking forward to helpful information that I know everyone will provide.

Just one question. If You have had 3 problems with the exact same model, why try it for the fourth time?

Both sets will be calibrated to industry standards minus less black level with samsung. Out of the box the samsung will be more accurate with colors but the black levels of the Pio will make the colors more deep and give you that "POP" once it is fully calibrated.

I have a 5080 and the 5020 right now and both were set up next to one another last night for the superbowl and the black level on the 5020 made my 5080 seem gray. I didn't think it was that huge of a difference when they were in different rooms. The black level on the 5020 made the colors looked washed out on the 5080 so black level is important and if you plan on getting either one calibrated then out of box image shouldn't matter.....

Just one question. If You have had 3 problems with the exact same model, why try it for the fourth time?

Both sets will be calibrated to industry standards minus less black level with samsung. Out of the box the samsung will be more accurate with colors but the black levels of the Pio will make the colors more deep and give you that "POP" once it is fully calibrated.

I have a 5080 and the 5020 right now and both were set up next to one another last night for the superbowl and the black level on the 5020 made my 5080 seem gray. I didn't think it was that huge of a difference when they were in different rooms. The black level on the 5020 made the colors looked washed out on the 5080 so black level is important and if you plan on getting either one calibrated then out of box image shouldn't matter.....

Hi, thanks for your response.

1- I'm a sucker for punishment? hehe Really,, the $550 is $700 cheaper,, so I can't *not* consider it.. plus, I have to think, I can't get 4 bad ones in a roll, can I?

2- Do you experience any problems like I mentioned in my thread? grey lines? pink hue?

thanks

Hey, john. You know I'm a Sammy guy but I'm not married to any brand. If the bad luck you've tun into eith your Sammies I'd go for the Kuro or even a Panny if you see one you like.

Help deciding-- BMW 3 series or Honda Accord

halp!

Just saying get the Kuro :D

Hi, thanks for your response.

1- I'm a sucker for punishment? hehe Really,, the $550 is $700 cheaper,, so I can't *not* consider it.. plus, I have to think, I can't get 4 bad ones in a roll, can I?

2- Do you experience any problems like I mentioned in my thread? grey lines? pink hue?

thanks

1. I am with you about prices. I always pay the least amount possible. I never buy a display on day one release. I am not an early adopter anymore. I waited to buy the 5080 when it was on sale for less than 2000. Same thing with the 5020 now that it has dropped to rock bottom prices. I had bad experience with IR on costco panny's and CC samsung plasmas and near perfection with samsung LCD's and have not looked back since I bought the 5080. I have bought/returned/sold 20+ tv's since 2000. The Pio 5080 was the first set since 2000 that I have been able to watch without caring about IR or Burn IN or flashlights or studder/judder or skipping or clouding or smearing or blurring or anything else to distract me from watching tv. Same thing with the 5020.

2. Never. All 10 people that came over last night to watch the superbowl would not stop talking about the picture on the 5020. During the halftime 3d show we had to rewind the 3d show about 20 times so that we could all watch it twice. I hate going over to watch tv at my friends house cause it's either a sylvania LCD, a vizio, or a panny RPT. They just don't understand quality. But they also can't justify spending more than 1000 on a tv.

3. I am in the same boat about the extra cash. I have the 5020. I have the 111 on order for 500 dollars more and don't know if I want to hassle with boxing up and returning the 5020 which is flawless and maybe get a 111 that isn't. The wife said she will buy me a 6020 when she is done with nursing school so I have to wait another year. I don't really care about 2009 plasmas cause I would be buying them in 2010 when all the bugs and pros and cons and reviews are out. With the pioneers I know that the most that can happen to me is maybe buzzing.

The decision is yours and you know that most of the people on here will tell you to go with the KURO.

1. I am with you about prices. I always pay the least amount possible. I never buy a display on day one release. I am not an early adopter anymore. I waited to buy the 5080 when it was on sale for less than 2000. Same thing with the 5020 now that it has dropped to rock bottom prices. I had bad experience with IR on costco panny's and CC samsung plasmas and near perfection with samsung LCD's and have not looked back since I bought the 5080. I have bought/returned/sold 20+ tv's since 2000. The Pio 5080 was the first set since 2000 that I have been able to watch without caring about IR or Burn IN or flashlights or studder/judder or skipping or clouding or smearing or blurring or anything else to distract me from watching tv. Same thing with the 5020.

2. Never. All 10 people that came over last night to watch the superbowl would not stop talking about the picture on the 5020. During the halftime 3d show we had to rewind the 3d show about 20 times so that we could all watch it twice. I hate going over to watch tv at my friends house cause it's either a sylvania LCD, a vizio, or a panny RPT. They just don't understand quality. But they also can't justify spending more than 1000 on a tv.

3. I am in the same boat about the extra cash. I have the 5020. I have the 111 on order for 500 dollars more and don't know if I want to hassle with boxing up and returning the 5020 which is flawless and maybe get a 111 that isn't. The wife said she will buy me a 6020 when she is done with nursing school so I have to wait another year. I don't really care about 2009 plasmas cause I would be buying them in 2010 when all the bugs and pros and cons and reviews are out. With the pioneers I know that the most that can happen to me is maybe buzzing.

The decision is yours and you know that most of the people on here will tell you to go with the KURO.


Thanks,,, you're exactly right regarding about the prices. I like good deals.. I never pay full price.. and I always do my due diligence.

Thanks for your input... only $500 for the elite? Where? You are one lucky man!! If she has any sisters, let me know ;)

Question about 2009 plasmas-- I haven't been following the trend, but how are they typically priced when they first come out? 100% retail? 10% off? etc.

Thanks,,, you're exactly right regarding about the prices. I like good deals.. I never pay full price.. and I always do my due diligence.

Thanks for your input... only $500 for the elite? Where? You are one lucky man!! If she has any sisters, let me know ;)

Question about 2009 plasmas-- I haven't been following the trend, but how are they typically priced when they first come out? 100% retail? 10% off? etc.

Well actually had BB just price match me Costcos price for the 5020 plus another 10% so now it would be close to 1000 to upgrade to the Elite 111. Well I have not cancelled the 111 just yet but I did go buy some mirage 5 nanosat speakers and an 8 inch mirage sub as a package deal for half of the upgrade price. Then when the pioneer 1019 receiver comes out in march or april I will pick that up. Figured I might just spend that grand on a nice surround sound system for the 5020 as a complete package instead. Now that the 5020 is past its 150 hours of break in it's starting to look even better...

It's hard to say what the price will be when it first comes out. Usually it does come out for around 10% off msrp initially then goes back up to msrp but who really knows or can tell in this day or age.

Now that the 5020 is past its 150 hours of break in it's starting to look even better...
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interesting, i wonder why.

Get the Pioneer, then when your Sammy friends come over, they will go home and throw rocks at their sets :D

Get the Pioneer, then when your Sammy friends come over, they will go home and throw rocks at their sets :D

That's almost as funny as knowing that even after a couple of bad luck instances with Sammy, johhhn is not sold on getting a Pioneer yet. Must say something about that that Sammy PQ :cool:

Must say something about that that Sammy PQ :cool:

Says more about johhhn. He is clearly suffering from Charlie Brown syndrome and keeps hoping against hope that maybe this time Lucy won't yank the football away.

interesting, i wonder why.
Go to one of the Kuro threads, you will see many posts that talk about how the picture improves with additional hours - I can attest to that. Many like the Samsung, but 3 strikes and your out - actually it would only be one for me. No comparison, spend the extra money, you will love the Kuro. If you can't get past the extra cash, as an earlier poster said, take a look at the Panny, they make a good display with very high reliability. Pricing on the 5020 is great right now, I have a feeling if you pass you will regret it later.

That's almost as funny as knowing that even after a couple of bad luck instances with Sammy, johhhn is not sold on getting a Pioneer yet. Must say something about that that Sammy PQ :cool:

Says more about johhhn. He is clearly suffering from Charlie Brown syndrome and keeps hoping against hope that maybe this time Lucy won't yank the football away.

The Samsung 650 had an absolutely gorgeous picture and I could only imagine what it would look like when properly calibrated. And, as others have noted, the 650/550 are on par in picture quality with the Kuros (excluding blacks, of course).

1- What's with the 'blotches' on the Kuros?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061630&highlight=blotch

2- and the 'dirty' streaks?

sigh

I hate to think I could buy a Kuro and have some other random problems.

That's almost as funny as knowing that even after a couple of bad luck instances with Sammy, johhhn is not sold on getting a Pioneer yet. Must say something about that that Sammy PQ :cool:

Must say more about John. He might be like on of those guys you see on cheaters that catch their girlfriend cheating for the 10th time and then begs for her to come back.

After my grandfather has had 2 sammys replaced for blue bleeding all over the screen, his 3rd set does the same.Not all Samsungs are bad, but I will never buy a samsung.

But same goes for Pioneer, If I bought a Pioneer and had to send it back 2 times, I would not buy another Pioneer either.

That's almost as funny as knowing that even after a couple of bad luck instances with Sammy, johhhn is not sold on getting a Pioneer yet. Must say something about that that Sammy PQ :cool:
Our Samsung friend - did you ever think he didn't consider buying the Kuro until after his 3rd Samsung plasma turned out to be defective because the prices just dropped substaintially over the last few weeks? Don't go off on me, I like Samsung, especially their LCDs, I just think if you can afford the extra $ the Kuro is a no-brainer.

Must say more about John. He might be like on of those guys you see on cheaters that catch their girlfriend cheating for the 10th time and then begs for her to come back.

After my grandfather has had 2 sammys replaced for blue bleeding all over the screen, his 3rd set does the same.Not all Samsungs are bad, but I will never buy a samsung.

But same goes for Pioneer, If I bought a Pioneer and had to send it back 2 times, I would not buy another Pioneer either.

lol... a g/f cheating on me vs a tv 'cheating' are 2 entirely different things..

obviously, i would give a TV another 'chance' or two, but a g/f,,, hellllllllll no :D

Our Samsung friend - did you ever think he didn't consider buying the Kuro until after his 3rd Samsung plasma turned out to be defective because the prices just dropped substaintially over the last few weeks? Don't go off on me, I like Samsung, especially their LCDs, I just think if you can afford the extra $ the Kuro is a no-brainer.

Prices are definitely a factor.. but, like I posted initially, I don't want more problems..

and this 'blotchy' thing is making me a bit anxious-- can any of you 5020 folks speak up on this?

read page 2 and you can read what i'm talking about-- the blotch problem that 'plagues' pioneers seem related to my 1st Samsung I got that was defective:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1061630&highlight=blotch&page=2

Also,,

real quick-- as I'm almost ready to drop the coins on the 5020--- (like within the very next hour or two)

1- Can someone respond about the blotches and streaking?

2- With controlcal, does that allow me adjustability like the samsungs?

Hey johhhn, Go to a local store that has them both and compare against each other. We can only give our options on these threads as to what we would buy. Your best bet is to go see what you like yourself.

Well yeah, some of those kuros have their issues with blotching and/or buzzing.
johhhn, i hate to say it dude but with the luck you've been having I'd get a crt. I know they're dirt cheap now :cool:

Every display has its issues.....

Our Samsung friend - did you ever think he didn't consider buying the Kuro until after his 3rd Samsung plasma turned out to be defective because the prices just dropped substaintially over the last few weeks? Don't go off on me, I like Samsung, especially their LCDs, I just think if you can afford the extra $ the Kuro is a no-brainer.

I wouldn't go off on you my kuro compadre even if our no brainer choices are different :D

sigh

I realize the 5020 may have issues also.. I'm just hoping it's not as high as sammies

Have them fire up he display and check it out before you go home.

I think my 5080 has the blotch issue. I only saw it when I was looking for stuck/dead pixels. It is visible in a pitch black room with the tv on and on an input that is not used. I have to be within inches of the set to see it. Looks like some of the pixels are darker than the others. From a foot or so its gone and I don't think it does anything to the image or I have yet to see it do anything. Have not seen any anomalies on the 5020 yet. Past the 150 break in about 140 hours with the thumbdrive pics and the rest with superbowl and lost. So far so good....

i'm curious-- if you throw up a black picture... from thumbdrive, or computer,, do you still see the blotch?

i'm curious-- if you throw up a black picture... from thumbdrive, or computer,, do you still see the blotch?

NO. Only during a blank input and that is only on the 5080 that I noticed it. Does it do anything to picture quality or do the colors look different in that area of the set? Not the least. It almost seems to me like the effect is caused do to the pixels not receiving a signal so they try to turn off but only an array of them are getting the message.

Now on a blank input on the 5020, the set seems to go almost completely off much like the 81 series LCD LED from samsung. In a pitch black room I can barely see the 5020's screen on a blank input.

Hi,

First of all-- I currently have a Samsung PN50A650, which I am returning. It's my 3rd set (3 defective ones) and the place I bought it from ran out of 650s and so now I am back at the drawing board.

I would like feedback from people that have the 5020 about the following:

1- Has anyone with a 5020 witnessed the grey horizontal lines that plagued all 3 of my Samsungs? Here is the link to my thread which illustrates the problems that I have had:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1106410

2- What other issues can plague the 5020? Is Pink tint/hue a problem? I'm tired of calling/returning TVs and just want to be 'done' with it so I can finally enjoy myself.

Calibrators, or those that know the 5020 and the 550/650 Samsungs:
How accurate is the color of the 5020 when compared to the Samsung? Disregarding blacks, I am more concerned with accuracy. One of the reasons I was drawn to the Samsung was the color accuracy, or more accurately, how accurate it can be once calibrated.

1- Which panel is more accurate, colorwise, out of the box-- when the user is able to adjust colors using what's available on the panel- the 5020 or the 550/650s? (I ask because the 550/650s have a lot more adjustability than the 5020).

2- Which is more accurate when both sets are calibrated professionally?

If I order through the same place, they'll give me $150 off whatever I choose, plus they also gave me $150 cash, so I can use that if I go with a different vendor, or save $300 total going with them again.

I originally paid about $1400 for the 650, and in this case, the 5020 would run a little over $1700 (with shipping). Or, I could get the Samsung 550 for about $1050 shipped to the door. The only reason I went with the 650 over the 550 initially was the supposed better anti-reflectiveness, which I'm not too concerned with anymore.

So, 5020 for $1700 or 550 for $1050? I know some of you would jump all over the $1700 price of the Kuro, as I would have back in November, but I'm really concerned with the things I mentioned above and so I would appreciate any kind of detailed responses, instead of "do it!! it's only $1700!!", etc.etc.. :)

Thanks everyone! This is a great place and am looking forward to helpful information that I know everyone will provide.

Did you ever...um...think that there is a good reason why the Sammy is cheaper? If you can't afford the Pioneer get a Panny, which is better than the Sammy anyway. I don't understand the fascination with the Sammy, I really don't.

Did you ever...um...think that there is a good reason why the Sammy is cheaper? If you can't afford the Pioneer get a Panny, which is better than the Sammy anyway. I don't understand the fascination with the Sammy, I really don't.

Did you ever wonder why kuros failed in the marketplace despite all the hype? You would think based on what some of you say, more people would have bought more of 'em regardless of the price.
I guess the general public isn't fascinated by hype! :cool:

Did you ever wonder why kuros failed in the marketplace despite all the hype? You would think based on what some of you say, more people would have bought more of 'em regardless of the price.
I guess the general public isn't fascinated by hype! :cool:


The "general" public is concerned with price. Is the Hyundai a better car than a Rolls Royce, Rolls Royce doesn't sell as many units. Must be the "hype" of the Hyundai, what a great commercial.

Hmmmmm, is this a Punk'd episode?

I keep waiting to see Ashton Kutcher jump out from around the corner.

The "general" public is concerned with price. Is the Hyundai a better car than a Rolls Royce, Rolls Royce doesn't sell as many units. Must be the "hype" of the Hyundai, what a great commercial.

So using your logic, why is mercedes, bmw, lexus, jaguar still selling cars. The general public should have all bought hyundai and suzuki because they are cheaper.
Price is a factor but it's not everything.:cool:

Oh, by the way. While RR is by far the more expensive car, is it better than a hyundai? I suspect you succumb to hype so I think I know your answer!

Did you ever wonder why kuros failed in the marketplace despite all the hype? You would think based on what some of you say, more people would have bought more of 'em regardless of the price.
I guess the general public isn't fascinated by hype! :cool:

The general public buys VIZIO. I see people walk out of costco in drones with VIZIOS.

The general public buys VIZIO. I see people walk out of costco in drones with VIZIOS.

And they buy the more expensive Samsungs and Panasonics. How does that help Pioneer sales and marketing?

The general public buys VIZIO. I see people walk out of costco in drones with VIZIOS.

Costco is not the only store that sells plasma TV's. :D

You certainly won't find many people who buy Visios come to AVS and spend their time chatting away on how remarkable their set is.

In fact, most people are out there looking for the best/cheapest deals because not everyone in today's market has the cash to spend on an expensive set.

Most simply want to get rid of their tube TV that's plagued them for the last 2 or 3 decades and figure now is the time to buy.

I've owned three Sammy's.....5020 no question if you can afford it.(pretty good pricing now)
If you can't, try your luck again I suppose.
If you can get one that is free of severe issues it is a great bang for buck.

Well, I did it.

I ordered the Kuro.

I got one incredible of the deal and considering it only cost me around $300 more than what I paid for my PN50A650, it was hard not to justify the extra expense.

Let's all do a collective knock on wood and hope that this panel doesn't have any of the issues my Sammy had or any of the issues I've read about.

I really don't know what I would do at this time if this Pioneer is also defective!

But, I'm optimistic :)

Thanks everyone for your help and I will keep all of you posted.

Well, I did it.

I ordered the Kuro.

I got one incredible of the deal and considering it only cost me around $300 more than what I paid for my PN50A650, it was hard not to justify the extra expense.

Let's all do a collective knock on wood and hope that this panel doesn't have any of the issues my Sammy had or any of the issues I've read about.

I really don't know what I would do at this time if this Pioneer is also defective!

But, I'm optimistic :)

Thanks everyone for your help and I will keep all of you posted.

Good luck johhhn. I hope things work out better this time.:cool:

Did you ever wonder why kuros failed in the marketplace despite all the hype? You would think based on what some of you say, more people would have bought more of 'em regardless of the price.
I guess the general public isn't fascinated by hype! :cool:
This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read at AVS. Are you really trying to say the Samsung plasmas can compete with or even beat the Kuros? The Kuros simply don't sell because they are priced twice as much. If they were the same price as the Panasonic/Samsung/Vizios they would be flying off the shelves.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read at AVS. Are you really trying to say the Samsung plasmas can compete with or even beat the Kuros?

I'm not trying to say it. I am and have been saying it.:cool:

Good luck johhhn. I hope things work out better this time.:cool:

thanks, I appreciate it!

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read at AVS. Are you really trying to say the Samsung plasmas can compete with or even beat the Kuros? The Kuros simply don't sell because they are priced twice as much. If they were the same price as the Panasonic/Samsung/Vizios they would be flying off the shelves.

Samsungs are very damn good at color accuracy and hence one of the reasons why I stuck with them hoping I'd get a good set.

In that regard, it's damn close to a TV that cost (used to non-elite version) considerably more, which makes it a very good value.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read at AVS. Are you really trying to say the Samsung plasmas can compete with or even beat the Kuros? The Kuros simply don't sell because they are priced twice as much. If they were the same price as the Panasonic/Samsung/Vizios they would be flying off the shelves.

LOL, I agree on that 100%. You can't try any logic with this guy.

The "general" public is concerned with price. Is the Hyundai a better car than a Rolls Royce, Rolls Royce doesn't sell as many units. Must be the "hype" of the Hyundai, what a great commercial.

Your logic is perfect but your arguing with the same type of "fanboy" that buys a Vizio and then tries to convince everyone it's just as good as the top panels on the market. :D:D

Well, I did it.

I ordered the Kuro.

I got one incredible of the deal and considering it only cost me around $300 more than what I paid for my PN50A650, it was hard not to justify the extra expense.

Let's all do a collective knock on wood and hope that this panel doesn't have any of the issues my Sammy had or any of the issues I've read about.

I really don't know what I would do at this time if this Pioneer is also defective!

But, I'm optimistic :)

Thanks everyone for your help and I will keep all of you posted.

Congrads, be sure and update us on how you feel the Kuro compares to the Sammy when you've had a chance to view it in your home.

np.. i'm hoping i'll have both sets so i can do a side by side :eek:

Your logic is perfect but your arguing with the same type of "fanboy" that buys a Vizio and then tries to convince everyone it's just as good as the top panels on the market. :D:D


Yep, what was I thinking. Anyone that pays a tribute to "disco" in his forum name, should have been adequate warning.

This is one of the dumbest posts I've ever read at AVS. Are you really trying to say the Samsung plasmas can compete with or even beat the Kuros? The Kuros simply don't sell because they are priced twice as much. If they were the same price as the Panasonic/Samsung/Vizios they would be flying off the shelves.

Hence why in my opinion they are not worth it.

I'm not saying they are not the best out there today...I think they are technology PQ wise, but for the price they are going for, not worth it.

Just like buying an expensive car, if someone has the money to spend then the purchase is justified. For your average Joe Shmo, it's not.

Same goes with any other type of purchase. If you want the quality, you have to pay for it. ;)

quality schmality..

i just want a damn tv that isn't defective from the get go..

is it really that hard to manufacture an electronic item that doesn't have horizontal lines? dirty streaks? blotches? pink tints? etc.. etc..?? it seems all manufacturers suffer from something like this in one way or another..

All I know is that I refuse to settle for anything that is less than perfect when my hard earned money is involved, whether it's a kuro or a 'lowly' samsung.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed for my 5020.. but, i swear, if this thing exhibits any of the problems that I have read about, I'd be incredibly tempted to spend my $ on a cheap cheap tv so that I can *expect* to have poor quality.

/end rant

:)

I have my Kuro!

I ordered it Tuesday, it arrived yesterday!

Currently watching the Lakers/Celtics from last night-- damn it looks good.

I still have the Samsung so I will do some comparisons later..

time to hook up my computer to run the break-in images now...

Just like buying an expensive car, if someone has the money to spend then the purchase is justified. For your average Joe Shmo, it's not.

Same goes with any other type of purchase. If you want the quality, you have to pay for it. ;)

People by expensive cars for the pride factor. But you know what the book says, "pride goeth before the fall", that is the case for Pioneer.

People go out a pay a premium price for a BMW or Mercedes, with poor reliabilty, just to have that badge.

I remember Pioneer's Elite RPTV's, they were considered the best for a long time. When Mits came out with the Diamond, which was very close to the Elites in PQ but at least $1,500-2k difference for a similiar size set, that was the end for Pioneer Elite RPTV.

This is de ja vu all over again for Pioneer, with the likes of Samsung and Panasonic making displays close to the performance of Pioneer and at a much more affordable price, so now Pioneer has to bail out all together.

People by expensive cars for the pride factor.

Good lord. This may be true of some, but not everyone enjoys their expensive car simply because it's a status symbol to others.

I don't walk around all day with my Kuro tied to a cart behind me. I bought it because after reasonably sampling its competition I found it to offer the most pleasing picture quality by a fair margin, and the recent-price cuts rendered the decision to buy it a no-brainer to me. Most everyone I know has never even heard of a Pioneer TV, so I have gained absolutely no baller points amongst my family and friends. And that's just fine.

Just like buying an expensive car, if someone has the money to spend then the purchase is justified. For your average Joe Shmo, it's not.

Bad analogy. The difference between a Samsung 50a650 and a Pio 5020 is about $400. The difference between a Honda and a BMW is ~$20,000.

People go out a pay a premium price for a BMW or Mercedes, with poor reliabilty, just to have that badge.

Most people buy BMW because they are amazing driving cars, just like people buy Kuros because they are amazing TVs to watch. Who buys a pioneer for the name on the front?

I just don't understand the desire of some people to sh@t on the Kuro. If you like your TV so much, why the need to go into every thread about Pioneer and bash it/them. Insecure much? Geesh! Brand loyalty is for idiots. Buy the best you can afford regardless of brand and enjoy it!

/rant off... just tired of seeing the same characters thread after thread trying to rain on other peoples parade.

Sorry John. I hope you enjoy your tv.

I have my Kuro!

I ordered it Tuesday, it arrived yesterday!

Currently watching the Lakers/Celtics from last night-- damn it looks good.

I still have the Samsung so I will do some comparisons later..

time to hook up my computer to run the break-in images now...

Looking forward to your thoughts.
I will have my a550 and my 5020 next to eachother come tuesday.

Most people buy BMW because they are amazing driving cars, just like people buy Kuros because they are amazing TVs to watch. Who buys a pioneer for the name on the front?

Right, the ultimate driving machine. BMW's aren't the only cars that are amazing to drive.

I just don't understand the desire of some people to sh@t on the Kuro. If you like your TV so much, why the need to go into every thread about Pioneer and bash it/them.

Who's bashing the Kuro? Also, what do you consider bashing?

Insecure much? Geesh! Brand loyalty is for idiots. Buy the best you can afford regardless of brand and enjoy it!

I agree

/rant off... just tired of seeing the same characters thread after thread trying to rain on other peoples parade.

I get tired of that too.

In fact, most people are out there looking for the best/cheapest deals because not everyone in today's market has the cash to spend on an expensive set.

Most simply want to get rid of their tube TV that's plagued them for the last 2 or 3 decades and figure now is the time to buy.

Bingo!

Anyone buying a pio for chic will be disappointed. My friends - many who are very tech savvy- have never heard of pioneer as a display manufacturer. I recommend - they say what - who? Then they research, compare, buy and thank me. Unless it's a hard core ht geek - no chic exists. This is probably a large part of the problem - pio never had proper marketing to raise it's brand recognition like bmw.

Sorry John. I hope you enjoy your tv.

thanks.

Looking forward to your thoughts.
I will have my a550 and my 5020 next to eachother come tuesday.

let me know what you think..

tv's been breaking in.. i've watched some HD cable.. basketball and some shows..

i have some comments and questions that I will post about this TV- to make sure what I am seeing is 'normal'..

1 bad pixel though! middle of the screen.. can't see it at all under normal viewing.. so i'm not sweating it..

re: blacks- so far what everyone has said-- this tv has very very deep blacks.. crazy.

but, i get to compare the set side by side with my samsung.. so i'll see for sure what the difference is..

I get tired of that too.


He was speaking about you.

Hey what tv does auiditor have anyway?

Hey what tv does auiditor have anyway?

I have a 50 Panny PX60u and Samsung LN40A650.

He was speaking about you.


I know that. I too get tired of the gazillion post telling me how much better the Kuro is than my LCD

Yet he is the end all authorative on Kuro's....ain't life grand.
I think I will become the LaserVue king of knowledge...or OLED...or abcdefg.

Right, the ultimate driving machine. BMW's aren't the only cars that are amazing to drive.

Which I didn't say, You however stated that people buy BMWs/Mercedes because of the badge. This is not true. PS I don't drive a BMW, I'm just a car nut.


Who's bashing the Kuro? Also, what do you consider bashing?

"Bashing" was an exaggeration to make a point and I have a feeling you knew that. Besides it wasn't so much directed at you as much as certain others who seem to be on the take. This thread was just the tipping point. That said, I would like to know if you post in the LCD forums as much as you do in Pioneer threads? Sometimes it does seem like you're on a crusade.

Anyway it was just a rant and really has no need to continue being discussed. I don't want to hijack the OPs thread. Carry on.

Right, the ultimate driving machine. BMW's aren't the only cars that are amazing to drive...


True, but BMW did produce reliable 1200"+" Hp cars, based on 4-cyl 2002 engines, which had 60k Km already on them. It's not always about status.

Like the well engineered BMWs, I may have to step out of my Panny 700U, due to its contrast, gamma, and motion issues, into a better performing Pioneer 5020. If people are finding them for significantly less than 2k, not that I have yet, I may just pull the trigger when I do.

hey my situation kind of related, my store doesnt have stock on its 60 inch lgpg60 so they offered me that or the sammy 58a550 for the same price, but the lg is a demo with no IR os scratches i checked carefully, or should i get the kuro 5020fd for that price also i demo 2-3 moths used, all have gone through a burn in process. what should i get. also all are heavily discounted