Hi Guys, new to the forums. First want to say, ive trolled the forums for a while and must say you guys have some really experienced and knowledgeable people here!

I need some help picking a sub UNDER $200 shipped/tax MAX!

I have a room that is about 12x15.

Im running a Denon Avr-2309ci for a receiver.

After reading the forums on "budget" subs, I found the following three mentioned the most. Can you guys help me figure out which one may have the edge over the other two? All three cost around 180 shipped online.

Dayton Sub 120
Velodyne VX-10
Bic V1020

Thanks in advance!

you left a few out. read here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1106661&highlight=sub+180

the tsc asw-10 seems to be a better bet compared to all of these. If you can swing 230

I didnt get too much info about the TSW out of that thread.

I am finding the PA 120 intriguing. I kept reading about the Bic100 in my search but found the $280 price tag way above my budget?
Is it the same as a Bic 100? Are they different brands? Im assuming they are not the same since the PA 120 is $230 (50 dollars cheaper).

Anyone have any opinions to share on the three i mentioned in my initial post?

Thanks

you left a few out. read here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1106661&highlight=sub+180

the tsc asw-10 seems to be a better bet compared to all of these. If you can swing 230

If you can get that sub for under $200.00 grab it. However check the warranty, many of these on-line super discount stores are not authorized dealers.

Ian

Actually...it seems the ONLY place i can find the PA120 is on ebay for 230 shipped. Which is a little above my budget....but if its WAAYYY better then the other three choices...then i may consider it.

I think i have now officially ruled out the Dayton, after reading some more threads, it sounds like its just boomy and "one noted"....and thats not something im looking for, (yes i know im looking for something on a budget...but boomy is something id like to avoid)

The velodyne vx-10 and the PA 120 (if i can find a deal around 200....anyone know where??) seem to be my best choices.

Nobody has chimed in on the Bic V1020...maybe i was wrong in thinking its a popular sub around here?

Actually...it seems the ONLY place i can find the PA120 is on ebay for 230 shipped. Which is a little above my budget....but if its WAAYYY better then the other three choices...then i may consider it.

I think i have now officially ruled out the Dayton, after reading some more threads, it sounds like its just boomy and "one noted"....and thats not something im looking for, (yes i know im looking for something on a budget...but boomy is something id like to avoid)

The velodyne vx-10 and the PA 120 (if i can find a deal around 200....anyone know where??) seem to be my best choices.

Nobody has chimed in on the Bic V1020...maybe i was wrong in thinking its a popular sub around here?

The PA-120 is pretty much the Bic H100 manufacture by the same factory. It's only available thru ebay is due to that's the only company that sells them.
The cheapest for the PA-120 currently is directly thru ebay at 229. The velodyne vx-10, I have seen at Frys as low as 129.

the other choice as mention is the tsc asw10, which is the same as the Energy ESW-10. That can be had for around 150 shipped. This one is generally recommended over the Velodyne. If you need to go lower, than the PA-120 is well worth the extra.

well after some thinking....i decided the performance gain of the PA-120 over the other three I was oringinally considering....is worth the extra $50. I ordered the PA-120. Should have it this monday.

Thanks everyone for your replies!

I was going to create a new thread, but this is on a similar note.

I currently have the BIC V1020 and the Dayton Sub-120 in my living room. I have tried both out in various BD scenes at the same settings and gain levels, but I am having a tough time deciding and was wondering if some people could provide some experience or opinions. I will probably be using this for 75% movies and TV, 25% games and music

Dayton Sub-120 = 12" front-firing woofer, 150W, backside dual-ported design; this thing is powerful for my humble room\setup. Picked up used for $50 locally.
Pros - For HT it provides for 'feeling' and chest vibration, more rumble, and more depth and oomph; also has dual RCA inputs which I hear provides a little extra power
Cons - For HT it's not as tight and sometimes feels like it's providing too much bass for the scene; for music the bass seems to be felt a split-second after you hear it hit and has a little bit of extended reverb.. i listen to a lot of trance\techno\electronica at loud volumes and bass is a big part of this.. that split second delay combined with the extended reverb is enough to annoy me and distract me from enjoying my groove :)

BIC V1020 = 10" down-firing woofer, 160W, side-ported (LARGE) design; this thing can be just almost just as powerful when I crank the gain. Picked up 'new in box' locally for $80.
Pros - very small footprint, real wood enclosure, sleek design, much 'tighter' bass and seems to be more accurate, when I put the gain around '8'+ I can really hear and feel nearly as much power bass as the Dayton which is at '6.5'+; for music the bass is felt right as it hits and is accurate
Cons - requires more gain to feel as powerful, not an intimidating monster (lol), only as a single mono RCA input (if that really matters), no grill guard for the down-firing woofer

The only catch to this is that I will be selling whichever one I end up not keeping. The Dayton is by itself and will probably go for not much more than I paid for it. The BIC however is basically brand new in the original box and packaging and comes with the manual... ALSO I have a pair of brand new, matching DV-62si bookshelf speakers that I could package along with it which could potentially bring me back more money.

So as you can see I'm undecided.. any input (any at all) would be most appreciated. Thanks

Im not sure if i can tell if you are buying a new sub or have two subs and want to get rid of one?

I actually ended up going with a PA-120 sub instead of any of the three i originally posted about. I really love it, hits the lows, not too boomy, and doesnt throw bass in where it isnt needed.

I didnt choose the velodyne because i read that it was under powered. I read the dayton was very boomy, and I couldn't find much info on the Bic.

If your looking into getting an all new sub, check out the Power Acoustic Pa-120.

I have the Dayton Sub-120 and the BIC V1020 currently and am looking to keep just one. The Dayton is pretty boomy and the way you describe the PA-120 sounds very similar to the V1020. I can't spend the money for a new sub which is why I'm trying to pick the best of the local CL deals I've gotten. Thanks for your reply though.

I have the Dayton Sub-120 and the BIC V1020 currently and am looking to keep just one. The Dayton is pretty boomy and the way you describe the PA-120 sounds very similar to the V1020. I can't spend the money for a new sub which is why I'm trying to pick the best of the local CL deals I've gotten. Thanks for your reply though.

If you've got them both why are you asking us. Your in a better position than anybody here to make that decision, you've got both subs and can test them in your own setup with your own sources with your own ears. Nothing anybody can say here will change the fact of which one you like better.

I personally have tried the Sub-120 in the past in a side by side comparison with the Bic H-100 and the Sub-120 was the worst sub I've tried in my system to date. Lots of output that couldn't be integrated no matter what I tried other than turning the gain to 0, it was one noted at boomy imo. But you have it, decide for yourself.

although i like the pa10... waiting for mine to arrive..

here is another option... right in your price range.. and getting good reviews.. http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=85212

You're right about the Sub-120. It wasn't the worst (unfortunately) but it was very linear and boomy. I moved the V1020 into the corner of the living room (nestled against the side and back foundation walls of the house) and MAN does it make a difference. The sound COMPLETELY fills the room now and is still accurate and tight and.. awesome. Thanks for all the input guys.. If anyone out there is wanting a good sub with full yet tight sound for a really good price, I highly recommend the Bic America Venturi line V1020! :D

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=300-392

I'd buy this on sale. The lowest it has been is $138 + tax when on sale during a free shipping promo. $180 shipped has come up more regularly. I cannot speak for the BIC but this sub is far superior to the Velo VX-10.

But it's a big plain black box. Not fancy or particularly attractive. Performance wise if you can get it at on sale during free shipping, I think it's untouchable. Still a very good deal during a normal $180 ish sale.

I have the Bic v1020 and definitely feel that its the best 10 incher under $200. It can rattle my big room if I want although I keep it a bit lower because Im not a boom fiend. What I do like about it most is its range. The Dayton can boom a bit more I hear. However if you are looking for good HT and music thats not rap, this is the way to go. Of course it is run with an onkyo 606 and a monster cable so that might help. I got no complaints though.. Love it..... Plus I got it for $146 shipped from amazon. Cant beat it.

Still loving my V1020, for the price it canNOT be beaten. Still have the Dayton, but it's on craigslist. The power of the V1020 combined with the overwhelming NOISE of the Dayton made my ears hurt. The Dayton was my 2nd choice, but it was a definite runner-up.