Hello,

Does it matter if the receiver is set at 80 mhz when my HO is set at 60 mhz (which one will take precedence)? At the HO, i have set it to "in".

At the receiver its -5.5db. At the HO, I have the volume near the 11 o'clock mark.

I am curious which one will the actual settings be. Please confirm.

Tony

Hello,

Does it matter if the receiver is set at 80 mhz when my HO is set at 60 mhz (which one will take precedence)? At the HO, i have set it to "in".

At the receiver its -5.5db. At the HO, I have the volume near the 11 o'clock mark.

I am curious which one will the actual settings be. Please confirm.

Tony

Basically, whichever is the lowest, that's what you will get. I would turn the XO on the sub all the way up and control it from the receiver. The volume setting really doesn't matter. Both will turn the sub up or down. What I do is set the volume or gain on my sub so that Audyssey will try and limit the sub by about 6 or 7 dBs and then I manually turn it back to 0 on the receiver after Audyssey does it's thing so that my sub is running about 6dBs hot.

If you are using the crossover on the receiver, turn the crossover on the sub amp off or "out".

Basically, whichever is the lowest, that's what you will get. I would turn the XO on the sub all the way up and control it from the receiver. The volume setting really doesn't matter. Both will turn the sub up or down. What I do is set the volume or gain on my sub so that Audyssey will try and limit the sub by about 6 or 7 dBs and then I manually turn it back to 0 on the receiver after Audyssey does it's thing so that my sub is running about 6dBs hot.


Thanks to you and cschang.

Just to confirm. You say to turn the volume all the way to max....and have audyssey do its thing. Then adjust 0db on the receiver?

thanks,
Tnt

Just to confirm. You say to turn the volume all the way to max....and have audyssey configure it. Then adjust 0db on the receiver?


NO!!! I would start with the volume on the sub only at 1/4 turn. Run Audessey, and see where the sub volume gets set on the receiver. Then adjust the volume on the sub accordingly to get Audessey(re-run) to set the sub volume to 0dB (or close) on the receiver.

No volume level should be set anywhere close to max at any time.

NO!!! I would start with the volume on the sub only at 1/4 turn. Run Audessey, and see where the sub volume gets set on the receiver. Then adjust the volume on the sub accordingly to get Audessey(re-run) to set the sub volume to 0dB (or close) on the receiver.

No volume level should be set anywhere close to max at any time.


Haha. Thanks man.

I had the sub like 1.5 years and finally I am going to do it right.

tnt

I just did what you guys mentioned.

First my sub volume was a tad pass 11 o'clock which produced -13.0 db after audyssey was run.

Then I adjust the volume (lowered) a little pass 10 o'clock and rerun audyssey. It configures a -9.5 db. At this point, do I keep lowering the volume of the sub and rerun audyssey or should i adjust the db to 0 at the receiver?


Thanks again.
tnt

Yeah...I would get it closer to 0dB. On the Hsu subs, just a quarter turn goes a long way.

Yeah...I would get it closer to 0dB. On the Hsu subs, just a quarter turn goes a long way.



I got to turn off the heater and washer now - too loud. Wife going to kill me if I ask her and the son not to move around again :)

Since we are at this subject. The audyssey shows my fronts and center to be "Full Band". Should I put it to 60 mhz manually after audyssey is run? I tried at 60 mhz and it sounded great a while back.


tnt

specs of the speakers:

mirage omd-15 (front left/right)
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System Type OMNIPOLAR™ Floorstanding Speaker
Frequency Response 33 Hz - 20 kHz (+/- 3dB)
Recommended Amplifier Power 25-250 Watts (unclipped)
Impedance 6 Ohms Nominal / 4 Ohms Minimum
Tweeter 1" Pure Titanium Hybrid Dome
Midrange 5.5" Poly Titanium Deposit Hybrid Midbass Driver
5.5" Passive Radiator
Woofer 5.5" Poly Titanium Deposit Hybrid with Down-Firing Port
Room Efficiency 91 dB
Crossover Point 1.5 kHz and 2.3 kHz

mirage omd-c2 (center)
-----------------------

Frequency Response 60 Hz - 20 kHz (+/- 3dB)
Recommended Amplifier Power 25-200 Watts (unclipped)
Impedance 6 Ohms nominal / 4 Ohms minimum
Tweeter One 1.1" (2.8 cm) Chambered Titanium Dome
Midrange One 5.25" (13.3 cm) Multi-layer Carbon Fiber / Fiberglass Hybrid with Underhung Motor Systems
Woofer Two 6.5" (16.5 cm) Multi-layer Carbon Fibers with Underhung Motor Systems
Room Efficiency 88 dB
Crossover Point 550 Hz and 2.5 kHz

I can't help you with that aspect of Audyssey. You might want to go to the Audyssey thread in the Amp section of the forum and ask.

I can't help you with that aspect of Audyssey. You might want to go to the Audyssey thread in the Amp section of the forum and ask.


Thanks. I rerun audyssey again, with a tad passed 1/4 and then at exactly 1/4, with both results showing a -3.5 db. I then adjust the to 0.0 db using the receiver.


tn

OK...so you are running the sub 3.5dB hot.

OK...so you are running the sub 3.5dB hot.

Which is totally fine if you want more bass. I run my Epik Tower 6dBs hot but I wouldnt go much higher than that. So to further explain, Audyssey says the sub is running too hot so it tries to correct it by turning the trim down. I then go into the settings and turn the sub's trim from -6 to 0 cause I like it hot.

Thanks guys for sharing your knowledge. I never knew the hot point was calculate like that.


Tnt

The audyssey shows my fronts and center to be "Full Band". Should I put it to 60 mhz manually after audyssey is run? I tried at 60 mhz and it sounded great a while back.Why 60Hz? What are your surround speaker's specs? And you've got to rerun Audyssey if you change those speakers to being crossed-over.

(it is Hz, btw, not mHz.)


Thanks. I rerun audyssey again, with a tad passed 1/4 and then at exactly 1/4, with both results showing a -3.5 db. I then adjust the to 0.0 db using the receiver.That's not what cschang said to do. As pointed out, that will adjust your sub to be 3.5dB too loud. If that is what you want, OK.

Use the Audyssey Setup Guide:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=795421&page=191
It will explain every step of the setup procedure and how to optimize it.

Craig

Speakers for the rear are mirage omd-5

• OMNIPOLAR Satellite Speaker With High Gloss Piano Black Finish (Recommended Amplifier Power: 10- To 175-Watts (Unclipped))

• Impedance: 6-Ohm Nominal, 4-Ohm Minimum

• Tweeter: 1" Pure Titanium Hybrid Dome

• Woofer: 5.5" Titanium Deposit Polypropylene Cone With Butyl Surround

• Crossover Point: 2.3 kHz

• Frequency Response: 60Hz-20kHz, +/-3dB

If I change how the speakers are crossed and rerun Audyssey, wouldn't audyssey going to change it to its own value again?

TIA,
tnt

Why 60Hz? What are your surround speaker's specs? And you've got to rerun Audyssey if you change those speakers to being crossed-over.

(it is Hz, btw, not mHz.)




That's not what cschang said to do. As pointed out, that will adjust your sub to be 3.5dB too loud. If that is what you want, OK.

If I change how the speakers are crossed and rerun Audyssey, wouldn't audyssey going to change it to its own value again?No. There is a way to force your own crossover preferences.

And your center and surrounds' crossover's should be set to 80Hz. If it were me, I would use that for my fronts, too, but you can use 60Hz if you prefer that. No lower, though. And set your LPF of LFE to 120Hz, btw.

If I change how the speakers are crossed and rerun Audyssey, wouldn't audyssey going to change it to its own value again?
Audyssey ignores any settings you set *before* you run it.

After you run it, you can change the crossovers if you like. It is advised that you only *raise* the crossovers, do not lower them.

It's all explained in the setup guide I linked to above.

Craig

No. There is a way to force your own crossover preferences.

And your center and surrounds' crossover's should be set to 80Hz. If it were me, I would use that for my fronts, too, but you can use 60Hz if you prefer that. No lower, though. And set your LPF of LFE to 120Hz, btw.


I will set all the speakers to 80hz and rerun audyssey when the wife/kid leave. Can you explain why I want to set the LFE at 120hz instead of 80hz?


Tnt

I will set all the speakers to 80hz and rerun audyssey when the wife/kid leave. Can you explain why I want to set the LFE at 120hz instead of 80hz?That settings controls the high-end cutoff of the LFE channel only. The LFE channel can contain material as high as 120Hz.

Audyssey does not set that setting, btw. It defaults to 80Hz on ONKYOs. I do not know why. Email them. I would be curious to know the answer. But on several other manufacturer's units, it defaults to 120Hz. I would use 120Hz unless that causes some subwoofer localization issues for you.

I will set all the speakers to 80hz and rerun audyssey when the wife/kid leave.

Hmmm... I will repeat...

Audyssey ignores any settings you set *before* you run it.

Craig