I found the Outlaw LFM1 Plus on sale for 439. The others seem to be in the price range, but can I pass up the outlaw at this price, sale ends tonight?

Also is the LFM1 EX worth the extra 80?


Outlaw specs LFM1 Plus:
Specifications
Driver Type: Down Firing, 12" Long-throw Woofer
Ports: Dual
Amplifier Power Rating: 350WRMS; 1300W peak
Frequency Response: 25Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB w/o Port Plug
18Hz.-180Hz +/-2dB w/ one port plugged
Crossover Type: Linkwitz-Reily 4th Order Low Pass Network
Crossover Frequency: 40Hz to 180Hz and Bypass
Phase: 0 to 180 Degrees
SPL: 115dB (subject to placement and room gain)
Dimensions: (HxWxD) 21.50" x 15.0" x 22.0"
Weight: 70 lbs

I found the Outlaw LFM1 Plus on sale for 439. The others seem to be in the price range, but can I pass up the outlaw at this price, sale ends tonight?

Also is the LFM1 EX worth the extra 80?


Outlaw specs LFM1 Plus:
Specifications
Driver Type: Down Firing, 12" Long-throw Woofer
Ports: Dual
Amplifier Power Rating: 350WRMS; 1300W peak
Frequency Response: 25Hz. -180Hz. +/- 2 dB w/o Port Plug
18Hz.-180Hz +/-2dB w/ one port plugged
Crossover Type: Linkwitz-Reily 4th Order Low Pass Network
Crossover Frequency: 40Hz to 180Hz and Bypass
Phase: 0 to 180 Degrees
SPL: 115dB (subject to placement and room gain)
Dimensions: (HxWxD) 21.50" x 15.0" x 22.0"
Weight: 70 lbs


You asked if the EX is worth an extra $80. I would think of it this way. The EX is very similar to the HSU 3.3 which costs $730 delivered. Save $210 compared to the HSU 3.3.

People rarely complain of too much subwoofer, they end up wishing they had gotten more.

You asked of the EX is worth an extra $80. I would think of it this way. The EX is very similar to the HSU 3.3 which costs $730 delivered. Save $210 compared to the HSU 3.3.

People rarely complain of too much subwoofer, they end up wishing they had gotten more.

Someone is pushing me towards the SVS PC 12 NSD, which pushes me to the 600 range.

Thoughts on the SVS PC12 NSD vs Outlaw LMF1 EX?

Someone is pushing me towards the SVS PC 12 NSD, which pushes me to the 600 range.

Thoughts on the SVS PC12 NSD vs Outlaw LMF1 EX?

I think this is probably a wash. I have not heard these subs, but if no one else can answer from direct experience, then consider these things:

-- If you have not heard a sub in this "class" before, you'll be happy with either one.

-- The Outlaw might have a placement advantage because it's down-firing. It can go right up against a wall if necessary. Other than that, down-firing has no difference in the sound.

-- If you are not concerned about the cost, go with the SVS. It's probably a better sub all around. But even before shipping, it's higher than your original budget by a lot. The Outlaw wins in my book by it's large cost advantage.

-- If you are concerned about appearance, the Outlaw has an edge, but both are nice-looking black boxes :p

-- The Outlaw might take 45 days to get to you now, since they are out of stock.

I think you have until Midnight Monday to decide, not Midnight Sunday (tonight), but you be the judge ;)

Isn't the PC12-NSD downfiring also?

I just got PB10 and if you got that route, you won't be disappointed. It sounds great and it is HUGE!

Isn't the PC12-NSD downfiring also?

Drat. I read PB12-NSD. Sorry about that.

Well, now he's added a cylinder sub into the mix of boxes. :rolleyes:

The PB12-NSD was in the original list:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15766105&highlight=#post15766105

He had three different threads open about his sub purchase, so I got confused.

I'd take the LFM1-EX over the PC12-NSD.

If money not a consideration, I'd take the PB12-NSD over the PC12-NSD.

But here are some other things to consider.

-- I don't like the look of cylinder subs if they need to be in a shared space, e.g. living room. WAF is near zero. That said, this sub has a smaller floor footprint than either the PB12-NSD or the LFM1-EX, so it has a placement advantage in that regard. It has a disadvantage in that it cannot double as a side table, as the boxes can.

-- The cylinder is lighter than either box, but not by a lot.

-- The SVS box version of this sub has a more linear response than the cylinder version.

I'd take the LFM1-EX over the PC12-NSD.

If money not a consideration, I'd take the PB12-NSD over the PC12-NSD.

But here are some other things to consider.

-- I don't like the look of cylinder subs if they need to be in a shared space, e.g. living room. WAF is near zero. That said, this sub has a smaller floor footprint than either the PB12-NSD or the LFM1-EX, so it has a placement advantage in that regard. It has a disadvantage in that it cannot double as a side table, as the boxes can.

-- The cylinder is lighter than either box, but not by a lot.

-- The SVS box version of this sub has a more linear response than the cylinder version.

NCDave,

(sorry that I'm hijacking the thread)

WAF factors/usability notwithstanding...which would you pick between one PC12-plus and dual LFM1-EX? The room is 16x19x8 and open to a kitchen... 50/50 between music and movies. I have a PB10-ISD and while it was great in a smaller enclosed room (12x17) it's not enough in this bigger room.

NCDave,

(sorry that I'm hijacking the thread)

WAF factors/usability notwithstanding...which would you pick between one PC12-plus and dual LFM1-EX? The room is 16x19x8 and open to a kitchen... 50/50 between music and movies. I have a PB10-ISD and while it was great in a smaller enclosed room (12x17) it's not enough in this bigger room.

I can't really comment on sound because I have not heard these subs. That's why my comments have been related to price, WAF, placement, etc. Otherwise I go from specs and comments from others. The CraigSub list helped me link the comparisons together. Ultimately, I chose the LFM-1 Compact, mainly based on price. (I could not justify spending more on a sub for my little system. Heck, we still have a 26" CRT TV!) And I wanted something which would not overwhelm my music.

Regarding duals, I've seen various comments. Some say one big sub is better than two smaller ones. Others say two smaller subs give you more placement options and maybe a better ability to smooth out the frequency response.

In our family room, there are several places for subs, but only one which works well enough, according to SPL measurements I made. This "best" location was a corner, about 6 feet away from the seating position. So, it might be hard for me to even FIND a place where a second sub makes a big difference. Make sense?

Really to compare the subs in this case, you'll need to hear them or get lucky finding someone who has. Even with specs and graphs, it's very hard to tell because the testing needs to be done under the same conditions.

You have a few hours yet on the Outlaw sale. Call SVS and ask THEM the question, but instead of saying you are comparing the cylinder to two LFM-1 EX's, instead say you are comparing to two PB12-NSD's.

Wish I could be of more help.

It helps a lot! I'm going to pass on the Outlaw sale. I know I'll end paying more in the near future if I do decide to buy Outlaw but I don't want to rush into it.

It helps a lot! I'm going to pass on the Outlaw sale. I know I'll end paying more in the near future if I do decide to buy Outlaw but I don't want to rush into it.

I think that's a good decision. In the $1000 range, you are obviously looking at a higher end than I am (was). It's good to get your ducks in a row before pulling the trigger.

And if the economy keeps going down the tubes, there will be more sales. Not that we like to get sales that way. :rolleyes: