Will a JL f113 work ok with a set of 5 KEF KHT 6000? i've been looking for some speakers that have a small foot print and overall aren't to big, same with the sub, i was considering the SVS PB13 but the JL has about the same performance and it's much smaller.

An F113 will work just fine with those speakers. You could also consider the F112. It has a little higher range than the F113, and those speakers may need a higher crossover. It's also smaller and less expensive.

Craig

Will a JL f113 work ok with a set of 5 KEF KHT 6000? i've been looking for some speakers that have a small foot print and overall aren't to big, same with the sub, i was considering the SVS PB13 but the JL has about the same performance and it's much smaller.

The KEF HTS 6001 appears to use two very small (3 inch) mid-range drivers and a tweeter. The center channel appears to have more of the 3 inch drivers.

These speakers may struggle to keep up in the 80-200 Hz range.

The JL Audio F113 will work with these KEFs but the KEFs are designed for size and appearance and not output.

If there is any way you can change from the KEFs, it may very well make much more difference than F113 vs. PB-13. The KEFs look optimized for TV viewing not real Home Theater.

Still, the answer is yes, you can use the F113.

Will a JL f113 work ok with a set of 5 KEF KHT 6000? i've been looking for some speakers that have a small foot print and overall aren't to big, same with the sub, i was considering the SVS PB13 but the JL has about the same performance and it's much smaller.

I don't think you would have any issue with integrating the F113 with your KHT setup, but you might want to consider the F112 as well. The F112 extends a bit further up into the low-mid bass region, and the KEF's specs indicate a frequency response "floor" of 90Hz. The F112 might fill in the 70Hz - 120Hz gap better than the F113, although you will sacrifice a bit of max output.

How big is your room?

BTW, I own a F113 and it is really hard to believe a box of that size can produce so much bass. Considered the PB13 as well, but the combination of WAF and a preference of the "sealed sound" for music made the F113 a better sub for my application.

I don't think you would have any issue with integrating the F113 with your KHT setup, but you might want to consider the F112 as well. The F112 extends a bit further up into the low-mid bass region, and the KEF's specs indicate a frequency response "floor" of 90Hz. The F112 might fill in the 70Hz - 120Hz gap better than the F113, although you will sacrifice a bit of max output.

How big is your room?

BTW, I own a F113 and it is really hard to believe a box of that size can produce so much bass. Considered the PB13 as well, but the combination of WAF and a preference of the "sealed sound" for music made the F113 a better sub for my application.

My room is 19x13 with 8 1/2 celling, so the F112 has a bigger range than the F113? Right now i have a new Onkyo 876 with speakers and sub from a 3 year old Onkyo HTIB.

So the F112 has a bigger range than the F113?

It's all on the JL Audio website:

F112:
21 – 119 Hz (±1.5dB)
–3 dB at 19 Hz / 150 Hz
–10 dB at 17 Hz / 167 Hz
http://home.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?prod_id=372

F113:
20 – 86 Hz (±1.5dB)
–3 dB at 18 Hz / 127 Hz
–10 dB at 16 Hz / 154 Hz
http://home.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?prod_id=371

Craig

Art,

The F112 may be a better fit if you want to cross over at a higher bass freq than say the traditional 80hz.

It might be best to cross at 100hz with those KEF's like CJ may have alluded.

So the F112 has a bigger range than the F113?

Just to add a bit of narrative to Craig's reply, yes, the F112 does have a bit more upper range than the F113, but not as much output, particularly in the low end.

If your room is fully enclosed, then you have similar dimensions to my HT. I "test drove" the F112 before purchasing the F113 and found that in my room with Focal speakers that do a good job down to 40Hz or so, the F113 was a better fit. That said, both were exceptional. If your room isn't enclosed and opens up into other space, the F113 would probably be the way to go.

I agree with the previous post that suggested that if you are on a fixed budget, the F112 with a better set of speakers definitely warrants consideration. You could always add a second F112 later for additional impact.

So now to add to the confusion, what is your HT/Music ratio. If you don't change speakers and listen to a lot of music, I think the F113 would leave a big gap between the sub's "high end" and the KEF's bottom end.

Just to add a bit of narrative to Craig's reply, yes, the F112 does have a bit more upper range than the F113, but not as much output, particularly in the low end.

If your room is fully enclosed, then you have similar dimensions to my HT. I "test drove" the F112 before purchasing the F113 and found that in my room with Focal speakers that do a good job down to 40Hz or so, the F113 was a better fit. That said, both were exceptional. If your room isn't enclosed and opens up into other space, the F113 would probably be the way to go.

I agree with the previous post that suggested that if you are on a fixed budget, the F112 with a better set of speakers definitely warrants consideration. You could always add a second F112 later for additional impact.

So now to add to the confusion, what is your HT/Music ratio. If you don't change speakers and listen to a lot of music, I think the F113 would leave a big gap between the sub's "high end" and the KEF's bottom end.

Yes my room opens up in to the dining room and also the foyer, I'm not in a budget for the subwoofer, the reason for the KEF 6000 was just size and looks, i tough they would be a big improvement over what i have now, also correct me if I'm wrong but if i use the stands it will increase the range, i also looked at the mitos from Def Tech...
Same thing with the sub i like the way it looks, it's small plus lots of people said it sounds good...
We are more of a HT fans than music, i think i can count the # of times we listen to music in the living room, we are movie fans.
Finding this forum was great, without a doubt very informative.
Thank you so much for all the replies.

..............also correct me if I'm wrong but if i use the stands it will increase the range...........Since I'm likely to be the only person who understands what you are alluding to, yes, the "bass extender" stands extend the low-end range. But not by much.

Not to discourage you from the KEFs, but the Mythos speakers are nice speakers if that is the type of speaker you are seeking. And certainly much more common.

Yes my room opens up in to the dining room and also the foyer, I'm not in a budget for the subwoofer, the reason for the KEF 6000 was just size and looks, i tough they would be a big improvement over what i have now, also correct me if I'm wrong but if i use the stands it will increase the range, i also looked at the mitos from Def Tech...
Same thing with the sub i like the way it looks, it's small plus lots of people said it sounds good...
We are more of a HT fans than music, i think i can count the # of times we listen to music in the living room, we are movie fans.
Finding this forum was great, without a doubt very informative.
Thank you so much for all the replies.

Glad the information was helpful.

This site is a great resource - the research I did here resulted in adding the Fathoms to my audition/consideration list.

I bought the F113 and have been extremely happy with it. While there are other subs that are comparable HT performers, they are larger and, IMHO, don't compare to the fit and finish of the Fathom. For music, I prefer the F113 to any other sub I've heard or owned.

Given the size of your room including the openings into other spaces and HT being the primary use, the F113 would probably be the better option. If you decide to buy it, you won't be disappointed. There is a lot more information on this sub in a thread dedicated to it if you want to do more research on other owner's experiences and setup recommendations.

Since I'm likely to be the only person who understands what you are alluding to, yes, the "bass extender" stands extend the low-end range. But not by much.

Not to discourage you from the KEFs, but the Mythos speakers are nice speakers if that is the type of speaker you are seeking. And certainly much more common.

And if you haven't sprung for the KEFs or the Mythos speakers, the Infinity Primus P 162 is one of the better inexpensive bookshelf speakers around. They are good to 80 Hz at substantial volume. Rated down to 49 Hz, an 80 Hz crossover should keep them in their comfort zone.

Not an "on the wall" type speaker, but that is what gives it decent bass performance, compared to the KEFs. The 162 has its port on the front which allows you to get pretty close to the front wall. However, the closer to the wall, the more likely they will sound boomy.

Price is good as well.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/details/542120815/infinity-primus-p162