Does anyone know if Mitsubishi has plans to unveil 2009 DLP sets? ...and if so when? I am in the market for my first big tv and was wondering if I might do significantly better on price for a 2008 model if a new series is coming out soon.

Thanks!

They will announce in April.

Originally posted by RGBlues:
They will announce in April.

Are you sure? I haven't seen anything else referring to this. Most of the rumors deal with this being their last year in the business and LaserVue will be all that's left.

Dear Broodingangel,

There have been rumors and speculation about Mitsubishi leaving the RP-DLP market particularly after Samsung announced it is leaving the technology and production of the Laservue has been halted for awhile until some manufacturing issues are resolved. However, Gary Merson, the HDguru, states that the new models will be announced in April. He intimated that there will still be some non-Laservue models. Last year, the 735/736/835s were announced in April and the Non-Diamond models came out in mid-April and, if I recall correctly, the Diamond models came out just around Fathers' Day.

I am also in your situation as I am thinking about the 65835, but will wait until April to see if Mitsubishi can improve the video processing that Home Theater Magazine stated it needed. Good luck.

Lou

Thanks for the reply.... I found a good price on the 65736 over the weekend and pulled the trigger. I guess I'm too impatient to wait until April. :) -I'll probably get a little sick to my stomach if the price on that tv drops like a rock in April....

Any update on this?

Any update on this?

I read an article today that stated they just re-started the production on the LaserVue sets again. The stock seems to be drying up quickly on the 2008 regular DLP line and I haven't been able to find anything on new models.

65", 73" and 82" New line announced complete with "3D ready and the whole lot features 120Hz dejudder technology, the firm's exclusive 6-color processor, a JADE Activity-based user interface, PerfectTint™, 4 HDMI 1.3a, Dark Detailer™, NetCommand®, USB Media Input, ISFccc Certified, and RS-232C Interface". MSRP $1,499 to $4,999
http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/08/mitsubishi-debuts-3d-ready-home-theater-tv-line-82-incher-inclu/

I just pulled the trigger on a 65736 myself - no regrets here, as it looks like the 737 and 837 lines don't really offer anything I will care about. Plus, my TV was still a smokin' deal.

But HOLY SMOKES ... 82 inches?!?!?!

That's great news. Glad to see rear pros survive for at least another year. I'm interested to see the depth on that 82" beast.

The link above only announces new MITS LCD flat panel model it says nothing about DLPs.
The following link is basically the same anouncemnt but includes references to the 2009 LaserView DLP models at the end and makes no mention of any new bulb DLP models,

Ignore this post I misunderstood the phrase "better then typical flat panel TVs" to mean that were better flat panel TVS

82 inches is a big honkin TV. If I didn't go front projection I would probably jump on that set. I bet if you wait until end of summer it will be down to about 3k.

Any word on whether any of these are using an LED light engine?

The link above only announces new MITS LCD flat panel model it says nothing about DLPs.
:confused: That engadget link is ALL about the new DLPs
The following link is basically the same anouncemnt but includes references to the 2009 LaserView DLP models at the end and makes no mention of any new bulb DLP models
And that twice article also mentions the 737 and 837 lines... the new bulb based DLP models.

Any word on whether any of these are using an LED light engine?
As the twice article mentions, they are UHP lamp based.

As the twice article mentions, they are UHP lamp based.

Sorry, we must be looking at different articles. The Engadget HD article said nothing about the lamp type. Only mentioned some of the features.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/04/08/mitsubishi-debuts-3d-ready-home-theater-tv-line-82-incher-inclu/

Thanks for the clarification though.

I personally am already drooling over the 82" set to replace my 65" 65831. I just replaced by bulb though so I'll probably hang on and let the price come down.

Sorry, we must be looking at different articles.

It's in the twice article linked in walford's post.

The link above only announces new MITS LCD flat panel model it says nothing about DLPs.
The following link is basically the same anouncemnt but includes references to the 2009 LaserView DLP models at the end and makes no mention of any new bulb DLP models,

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6650124.html


Sorry, we must be looking at different articles. The Engadget HD article said nothing about the lamp type. Only mentioned some of the features.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/04/08/mitsubishi-debuts-3d-ready-home-theater-tv-line-82-incher-inclu/

Thanks for the clarification though.

Both of these links contain information about DLP models. The Engadgethd.com link deals only with the DLP models. The Twice.com link deals with both LCD and DLP models.

I am thinking that 82" beast must be my next set. :D

I am thinking that 82" beast must be my next set. :D

The perfect replacement for the SXRD!

So anyone know what "JADE Activity-based user interface" is?

I was incorrect and have edited by post to say so. I completly misuderstood the engagehd article.
And I am glad that I was wrong since I fully in support of DLP technology due to the low cost involved.
Regretfully the Laser version is so expensive and that there is not LED version from Mits.

That's great news. Glad to see rear pros survive for at least another year. I'm interested to see the depth on that 82" beast.


According to the 737 series product spec sheet (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/pdf/WD73737_specsheet.pdf)on Mitsubishi's website, the 82" model is 22.7" deep, which is a little less than 3" deeper than the 72" model, which is 19.9" deep.

It's interesting that they're using the same power bulb all the way from 60" to 82". The latter has 87% more screen area.

It's interesting that they're using the same power bulb all the way from 60" to 82". The latter has 87% more screen area.

My 73927 uses a 150 Watts bulb. 180 should be enough . I wanna see the 82837 specs.

The perfect replacement for the SXRD!

Well... I despise wobulation. Really wish Mitsu would go 3-chip RP DLP. My SXRD is still perfect, but just isn't large enough and will probably put it in the game room. My old lady will have a fit if I go forward with the original plan using it as a secondary computer monitor. :D

I am thinking that 82" beast must be my next set. :D

+1. Sign me up!

Well... I despise wobulation. Really wish Mitsu would go 3-chip RP DLP. My SXRD is still perfect, but just isn't large enough and will probably put it in the game room. My old lady will have a fit if I go forward with the original plan using it as a secondary computer monitor. :D
AFAIK both the 2008 and the new 2009 Diamond Series models use the true 1080p DLP chip introduced in late 2007 so they do not use wobulation. In order to have 120Hz refresh, however, they switch output buffers being sent to the 1080p chip but this is not wobulation.
Hopefully your SXRD supports a VGA interface or has the ability not to overscan over its comnponent or DVI/HDMI interface so that you will not get blurry small font text if you use it as a PC monitor.

+1. Sign me up!



Im with you too.

Cant wait till they start appearing. now shipping means what exactly? The few places i have tried do not even have the model numbers in their systems yet.

Very excited as well, we currently have an old Toshiba Cinema Series 61 inch RPTV. It has done us well for 8+yrs. Purchased a Sony Bravia w4100 120hz a month ago as a "test" TV. It is now my computer monitor/secondary TV. LCD has so many issues I would not purchase one as my main TV, but makes a fantastic computer monitor.

Looking forward to the upcoming reviews. Very curious about rooms with windows/sunlight and pic quality, sharpness and contrast, motion blur issues, running BlueRay and 1080p stuff.

DLP's dont suffer from screen burn in correct?

DLP's dont suffer from screen burn in correct?

No sir. Not at all.

Hmmm dlp at 82 inch?! I always told myself if that ever happens I would drop my projector and 92 inch screen.


Unfortunately its less then a year old, and I just purchased a plasma for day viewing.

AFAIK both the 2008 and the new 2009 Diamond Series models use the true 1080p DLP chip introduced in late 2007 so they do not use wobulation.

All 1080p RPTV sets use wobulation.

Im with you too.

Cant wait till they start appearing. now shipping means what exactly? The few places i have tried do not even have the model numbers in their systems yet.

Looks like a few places have started to populate their systems already.

Here's the 65 inch: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001XUR5F4/ref=asc_df_B001XUR5F4765476?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=cnet-ce-20&linkCode=asn

The 73 and 82 have yet to show up anywhere from what I can tell, but I'm sure they will in the next few days.

All 1080p RPTV sets use wobulation.

My 1080p 3chip HD-ILA doesn't

All 1080p RPTV sets use wobulation. Where are you getting this?

All 1080p RPTV sets use wobulation.

Wrong, first only DLP models not all RPTV used DLP wobulation chips and many DLP Projectors availale starting in 2007-8 used the new full 1080p DLP chip.
Samsung DLP models never used this chip since they were planning of getting out of the DLP business. However, the MITS Diamond models did start using this chip but Mits did not publisize it much since they did not want to make it obvious that thei other older models used a wobulation chip. AFAIK all Mits models that have 120Hz refrresh have to use the 1080p/60Hz DLP chips otherwise they would not be able to shift output buffers to obain 120 Hz refresh.

All RP DLP sets use wobulation.

A wobulated chip can easily do a 120hz refresh rate. They even had a prototype set that did 240hz with wobulation at CES 2008.

All RP DLP sets use wobulation...Where are you getting this?

Why are the new models deeper than the old ones ? 19" against 17.5" for the 73" model ? Does anybody have the specs for the 837 series ?

There's one way guaranteed to sell:

82-inch model showing Blu-ray 3D Adult films!

Is America ready for it?

New to this media. Has anyone had the opportunity to compare Samsung's DLP video to Mitsubishi's? I thought the Samsung picture was good but have not seen the Mits and am considering. I think the DLP bang for the buck is hard to beat.

New Guy

My 1080p 3chip HD-ILA doesn't
Wrong, first only DLP models not all RPTV used DLP wobulation chips
Of course, we are talking about DLP, and DLP is the only technology that uses wobulation. I didn't think it was necessary to explicitly exclude LCD, CRT, etc.
and many DLP Projectors availale starting in 2007-8 used the new full 1080p DLP chip.
Yes, TI does make 1080x1920 DMD, and they are used in some front projectors. But not RPTV.
the MITS Diamond models did start using this chip
What model? I think you will find the service manual will prove otherwise.
AFAIK all Mits models that have 120Hz refrresh have to use the 1080p/60Hz DLP chips otherwise they would not be able to shift output buffers to obain 120 Hz refresh.
No, because they aren't really true 120hz refresh sets, in the sense that they are refreshing 1920x1080 pixels 120 times a second. They refresh half of the pixels every 120th of a second. They do 120hz refresh on the sub-frames, not the full frame. Just like my Mits 1080p "120hz" RPTV.

I standby by my belief that the 2008 and 2009 Diamond DLP models use the true 1920p DLP chip so that they can display at 120Hz. They do however effectivly split the ouput into 2 seperate 60 hz ouput streams in order to create both a red and blue image for 3d content.
The following link describes this process, I do admit that it does not specifically state that the unwobulated 1080p DLP is used.
http://dlp.com/downloads/Introducing%20DLP%203D%20HDTV%20Whitepaper.pdf

However since you have one of their "120Hz" DLP sets and you are convinced that it is wobulated and that the wobulation does not have to be at twice the rate of the 60Hz sets I will no longer express my belief.

AFAIK both the 2008 and the new 2009 Diamond Series models use the true 1080p DLP chip introduced in late 2007 so they do not use wobulation. In order to have 120Hz refresh, however, they switch output buffers being sent to the 1080p chip but this is not wobulation.
Hopefully your SXRD supports a VGA interface or has the ability not to overscan over its comnponent or DVI/HDMI interface so that you will not get blurry small font text if you use it as a PC monitor.


It does have VGA, but that input sucks and doesn't fill the screen (so I would want massive overscan at least 15-20% lol). I've already used DVI-HDMI from my MacBook Pro and it looked fine. Needed a custom resolution IIRC, but nothing too extraordinary with the right software. ;)

Wobulation is the main thing that kept from me from jumping on one of the 73" sets from the closing Circuit City. That and by the time the price offset that concern they were all gone except the display. :p I'm told that the Diamonds are no different in that regard, but now I'd wait for 82 over 73 anyway. In the meantime, I'll see if/when a 73" Diamond LaserVue ever comes out and if it can get in the $5-6k range.

The following link describes this process, I do admit that it does not specifically state that the unwobulated 1080p DLP is used.
It says the opposite: "The foundation for DLP® 3-D HDTV is found in the SmoothPicture™ algorithm." SmoothPicture is TI's name for wobulation. Details on that can be found here (http://www.ddj.com/hpc-high-performance-computing/197007878). It goes on to say:
The DLP® 3-D Image format makes use of how the DLP® SmoothPicture™ algorithm displays an image onto the screen. The left and right images are sampled using the native offset diagonal sampling format of the DMD. The two views are then overlaid and appear as a left and right checkerboard pattern in a conventional orthogonal sampled image.
That is again describing wobulation. TI does make 1080x1920 DMD ships, but they are not laid out in a diagonal pattern like the wobulated designs are.
However since you have one of their "120Hz" DLP sets and you are convinced that it is wobulated and that the wobulation does not have to be at twice the rate of the 60Hz sets I will no longer express my belief.
I have the 73736. I put 120hz in quotes, because *I* don't consider it to be a true 120hz set, because they don't display the full frame at 120hz. That's why they can't do 5:5 pulldown. However, both Samsung and Mitsubishi have listed the wobulated designs as 120hz displays at one point or another. Mitsubishi doesn't seem to make that claim too much any more, just the "Smooth120hz" feature that is just an optional image processing function that does some interpolation. I have seen recent Samsung verbiage that still lists 120hz, but that could be old text. Or maybe they still consider the sub-frame rate a valid test.

FWIW, even the Laservue is wobulated. From the HDGuru LaserVue test (http://hdguru.com/mitsubishi-laservue-l65-a90-first-tech-review-hd-guru-exclusive/310/):
The LA65-A90 uses a Texas Instruments .65” Dark Chip 4 DLP (Digital Light Processor) as the microdisplay imager. As with all 1080p DLP rear projectors, the chip uses a pixel shifting technique to produce 1920 x 1080 pixel frame every 1/60 of a second.

Personally, I don't think wobulation is necessarily a bad thing. It has it's pros and cons. But considering that the DLP RPTV presence is shrinking, I wouldn't expect anyone to suddenly shift away from it.

MORE DETAILS

"Mitsubishi also introduced two series of Home Theater DLP rear-projection TVs in the 60-, 65-, 73- and 82-inch screen sizes. All feature 1080p HD resolution, are UHP lamp-based and conform to Energy Star 3.0 guidelines."

"The 737 Series will include the new 82-inch ($4,199), 73-inch ($2,499), 65-inch ($1,799) and 60-inch screen sizes."

"The step-up 837 series features three models in the 65-inch ($2,199), 73-inch ($2,999) and 82-inch ($4,999) screen sizes. All add Mitsubishi’s PerfectTint system, four HDMI 1.3a inputs, Dark Detailer circuitry that brings greater clarity to dark areas of the screen, NetCommand home-networking system, USB media input, ISFccc certification and an RS-232C control interface."

"The flagship 65-inch LaserVue TV is now in production and rolling out to select Mitsubishi specialty dealers capable of demonstrating and selling the technology to discerning consumers."

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6650124.html

I have an older Samsung 720p DLP which uses wobulation and I agree with you in that I don't think there is anything wrong with it.
I wish TI and Mits would be more open wobulation since you with your unit and me with just the anouncement material came to different conclusions about the current 1080p models.
It is strange that when I searched on "wobulation" at eiither the Mits or TI websites that I got no hits.
I think that the main reason I thought that they were using the new chip was that some of the anouncement material mentioned that the DarkChip 4 chips had 2.2 million mirrors and not just over 1 million mirrors which is all that are required for the wobulated models

That 82837 is looking pretty good. :D

Main beef against wobulation is that... outside of the essential "sideways deinterlacing" is the apparent lack of ability to get rid of telecine judder.

Personally, I don't think wobulation is necessarily a bad thing. It has it's pros and cons. But considering that the DLP RPTV presence is shrinking, I wouldn't expect anyone to suddenly shift away from it.

Is it too much to ask them to take the guts of a 3-chip front projector and put it in an RPTV form factor? A good chunk of money on an FP is in the lense right? They should be able to save some cost right there...

Yeah, I'm not sure where the "wobulation" term came from. I don't believe TI officially uses that terminology for it. DarkChip 4 comes in both wobulated and non-wobulated, so it can be up to 2.2 million mirrors, but not necessarily.

I agree that most companies aren't very open about their inner technologies. Try getting a straight answer out of one of them regarding whether or not their sets do proper 5:5 pulldown of 24fps material (assuming, of course, you can even confirm their sets do "true" 120hz refreshes). :rolleyes:

Why are the new models deeper than the old ones ? 19" against 17.5" for the 73" model ? Does anybody have the specs for the 837 series ?

Very interested to know why as well. Hopefully the 2009 models will have better geometry because of this. Anyone remember the terrible geometry on the first slim depth Samsung DLP's (HLT's, I think).

Here are the specs from the MITS Website.

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD73737

Here are the specs from the MITS Website.

http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/product/WD73737

Those are for the 737 series, I would like to see the 837.

Why do they always have the base and C series only in the 60" size? Never a Diamond in that size for whatever reason. The new "C" specs look like last years models and the 737's have no USB with new circuitry from what I see.

Anyone have any idea the width of the 82"? It might be too big for my space.

Anyone have any idea the width of the 82"? It might be too big for my space.

73.2" for the 737 model. I can't find anything about the 837.

Why do they always have the base and C series only in the 60" size? Never a Diamond in that size for whatever reason.
probably cuz they want you to step up to the bigger size. basic profit magin type stuff.

My dad has a 65" Mitsubishi DLP from last year. It's not the Diamond series. I have two beefs with it, and I was wondering if anyone knew if these issues have been addressed:

1) His TV doesn't have discrete on/off remote codes.
2) His TV takes FOREVER to switch inputs

Also... What's the current status of DLP's as far as gaming lag?

82" is one large TV! That's almost front projection size.

Check out this site to see a visual comparison to see how much larger it is than your TV:

http://tvcalculator.com/

:)

Anyone have any idea the width of the 82"? It might be too big for my space.

The viewing area is 71.5" wide. I would count on adding 2"-4" on the width (the current 65" version adds less than 2" to the width of the screen).

The viewing area is 71.5" wide. I would count on adding 2"-4" on the width (the current 65" version adds less than 2" to the width of the screen).

I have already answered the question : It's 73.2" for the 82737 model. This is from the OFFICIAL Mitsubishi website. No need to guess !

I got home last night with a cardboard cutout of the 82" to gauge what this thing is going to look like in my living room and of course the wife walks in.

once i explained (mind you she was expressionless throughout my sales pitch) she gave me "the here we go again" look and proceeded to go cut up my mitsubishi 3 diamond card (for the 3rd time now).

I can't wait until these things start showing up online and one arrives at the door :p 16 years married and things have never changed i love it

Hopefully Mitsu make a table for the 82incher. Going to need a table no higher than a foot tall, otherwise eye level will be substantially below the screen.

I wonder if the release of the 2009 dlp was a last minute option. They have done a great job of keeping it a secret. Nothing at the CES. Dealers left completely in the dark. Most dealers in my area were completely out of stock of the 73 inch diamond and had no reorders for new models from Mitsu. It would be interesting if the dealers will put the dlp back on display...I would think the 82 incher would be a couriostiy draw.

My dad has a 65" Mitsubishi DLP from last year. It's not the Diamond series. I have two beefs with it, and I was wondering if anyone knew if these issues have been addressed:

1) His TV doesn't have discrete on/off remote codes.
check the owners manual. it explains how to use a universal remote or whatever it is you are trying to do.

Also... What's the current status of DLP's as far as gaming lag?

Far back as I recall there have never been complaints on this issue. Also last year they added game mode which improved it even more.

Many HDTVs now have sepaate on and off IR codes in addition to the Power code but it appears that only the companies that some of the companies that make universal remotes such as Harmony know what they are.

Hopefully Mitsu make a table for the 82incher. Going to need a table no higher than a foot tall, otherwise eye level will be substantially below the screen.


I'm hoping the same thing. The current Mitsubishi spec sheet shows N/A for the matching base for the 82" model. I hope that's only temporary.

As far as height goes, I'd be OK with base that's the same height as the one for the 65" set. However, there's no way that I could put this set onto a standard piece of furniture. Not only would the viewing angle be too high, but I would be putting this TV into a finished basement with a low ceiling. I don't know if I could physically fit the 82" model into the room on top of a standard piece of furniture. I think that it would hit the ceiling.

Many HDTVs now have sepaate on and off IR codes in addition to the Power code but it appears that only the companies that some of the companies that make universal remotes such as Harmony know what they are.

The WD-73927 (and probably many other models) has a "direct select mode" on the remote control. Here is what I can do with my RC:

-Slide the switch to TV mode and hold the POWER button.
-Press 090. This puts the remote on "direct device select mode".
-You can now press the DEVICE BUTTON followede by another button to go directly to an input.

Here are the known direct view codes:

DEVICE and then:

1 ... INPUT 1 (S-VIDEO/COMPOSITE)
2 .... INPUT 2
3 ... INPUT 3
4 ... HDMI 2
5 ... COMPONENT 1
6 ... COMPONENT 2
SQV..HDMI 1
PIP CH UP.. ANT1
PIP CH DOWN .. ANT2

POWER ... POWER ON
STOP ... POWER OFF

PAUSE .. AV RESET


Holding POWER and entering 000 will put the remote back to normal.


I used those codes to program my Harmony but most likely you now have them already stored in their data base. I guess something similar will always be possible with the new models.

The reason I ask about the discrete remote codes is because my dad and I both have DirecTV and use the DirecTV remote. The remote has an "all on" as well as an "all off" button. On my Samsung, these buttons actually do as they are labelled once the remote is programmed. On my dad's Mitsubishi, pressing either button will merely change the power state of the TV from its current state. I'd like to know if I get one of these TVs, will the DirecTV remote work correctly with discrete on/off codes.

Also... What's the current status of DLP's as far as gaming lag?

Far back as I recall there have never been complaints on this issue. Also last year they added game mode which improved it even more.Are you serious? I've owned a Samsung HLR series DLP for the past three years, and the lag is horrendous, even in game mode! The last time I checked the gaming lag forums on this site, the consensus seemed to be that DLP had the worst gaming lag of any type of TV... So there definitely have been complaints on this issue.

Other than that, I've been a big DLP supporter as I don't need a flat TV to hang on the wall. (Obviously, since I own one.) I've never had a complaint about "rainbows" or "wobulation" that everyone else seems to freak out about. I'm just wondering if there have been game lag improvements to DLP in the past 3 years. To be honest, I kept hearing about how DLP was going to be a dead technology, so I stopped following it... thinking by the time I could afford a new TV, I wouldn't even have DLP as an option. This Mits set has caught my eye though!

Are you serious? I've owned a Samsung HLR series DLP for the past three years, and the lag is horrendous, even in game mode! The last time I checked the gaming lag forums on this site, the consensus seemed to be that DLP had the worst gaming lag of any type of TV... So there definitely have been complaints on this issue.

Other than that, I've been a big DLP supporter as I don't need a flat TV to hang on the wall. (Obviously, since I own one.) I've never had a complaint about "rainbows" or "wobulation" that everyone else seems to freak out about. I'm just wondering if there have been game lag improvements to DLP in the past 3 years. To be honest, I kept hearing about how DLP was going to be a dead technology, so I stopped following it... thinking by the time I could afford a new TV, I wouldn't even have DLP as an option. This Mits set has caught my eye though!

I have no lag problems with my LED DLP set.

The reason I ask about the discrete remote codes is because my dad and I both have DirecTV and use the DirecTV remote. The remote has an "all on" as well as an "all off" button. On my Samsung, these buttons actually do as they are labelled once the remote is programmed. On my dad's Mitsubishi, pressing either button will merely change the power state of the TV from its current state. I'd like to know if I get one of these TVs, will the DirecTV remote work correctly with discrete on/off codes.

99.98765% chance it will. I also have directv and 5 different brands of TVs and they all work with the Directv remote, including the 73927. I specifically tested it with the Mitsubishi and the discrete codes work perfectly. I used the Directv remote code 11550 for the Mitsubishi.

You can get a Panasonic 103" plasma these days for 60k, but $4,199. full MSRP for an 82" RPTV is a great deal. I bet they get discounted down very quickly.

Mitsubishi WD-82737 - $4,199.00

Mitsubiushi WD-82837 - $4,999.00

Panasonic TH-103PF10UK - 60k to 68k Dell Small Business sells them.

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?sku=A2487576&cs=04&c=us&l=en&dgc=SS&cid=27722&lid=628335

It looks like the main difference between the 08 835 vs 09 837 is the 82inch model. The 82 incher should jump start dlp interest. Bigger is always better up to a point. Probably should be no closer than 15foot away to view a noise free image ( I am 12 foot away from the 73incher which is borderline). Also I noticed that larger screen above 65 starts to loose detail/sharpness due to the image getting blown up to mamoth proportions. Need 1440p or 2160p to alleviate this.

The screens are 2 inch deeper to correct the geometry problems the 08 had when the auto keystone was disabled . also the software were tweaked (deep field imager, sharp edge, plush 1080 upscaler). Nice Mitsu noticed and addressed the shortcomings of the 835 series.

They also included advanced video adjustment. Looks like a short cut to the service menu with more user friendly layout. You can save video adjustments per input and per daytime/nitetime mode. I believe you could do the same with the 835 series by saving the video settings to natural for nitetime and brite for daytime.

The Diamond nameplate is probably going to the laser vue as the mitsu photos do not show the diamond logo.

Hopefully, if Mitsu are nice, they could offer a software upgrade to the 835 users that would mimic the changes for 09. I do not think it is a hardware issue.

Are you serious? I've owned a Samsung HLR series DLP for the past three years, and the lag is horrendous, even in game mode! The last time I checked the gaming lag forums on this site, the consensus seemed to be that DLP had the worst gaming lag of any type of TV... So there definitely have been complaints on this issue.
!

AFAIK the principle cause of DLP lag is up scaling from the input resolution to the unit's native resolution and game mode reduces the quality of the scaling to reduce the time.
What resolution are you outputting over what interface to your HLR and is it the native resolution of the HLR.

Are you serious? I've owned a Samsung HLR series DLP for the past three years, and the lag is horrendous, even in game mode! The last time I checked the gaming lag forums on this site, the consensus seemed to be that DLP had the worst gaming lag of any type of TV... So there definitely have been complaints on this issue.

well since this was a mits thread, I was refering to mits TVs. I dont follow the thread you refered to, however I do follow the mits threads and saw nothing but positive comments in reference to game lag from past and current models.

i do know that some people confused server lag on xbox live with TV game lag.

You can get a Panasonic 103" plasma these days for 60k, but $4,199. full MSRP for an 82" RPTV is a great deal. I bet they get discounted down very quickly.


i'll take that bet. look at the interest just from this little thread.

i have seen people pay $3k often and even $5k on occasion just for a 52" panel.

Still everything always gets cheaper.

I gotta think the makers are milking it on the LCD's, though. They've stayed static for quite awhile at sizes and performance far inferior to the RPTV of the 2005-2006 era.

These aren't Diamonds. Wouldnt surprise me if they're $3500 by 2010 and $3000 by 2011

Are you serious? I've owned a Samsung HLR series DLP for the past three years, and the lag is horrendous, even in game mode! The last time I checked the gaming lag forums on this site, the consensus seemed to be that DLP had the worst gaming lag of any type of TV...

I don't notice any discernible lag in my 73736. I don't even bother with game mode. My AVR, on the other hand, introduces horrendous lag in both the audio and video. At least it keeps them relatively in synch. :rolleyes:

AFAIK the principle cause of DLP lag is up scaling from the input resolution to the unit's native resolution and game mode reduces the quality of the scaling to reduce the time.
What resolution are you outputting over what interface to your HLR and is it the native resolution of the HLR.The HLR is a 1080p set. I have the component video cables for the Wii, and I have it set to 480p, but I am completely unable to play Super Mario World or Punch Out! on the set, even in Game Mode.

I sent an email to MEDA Friday asking when and where for the 82" (where i live there are no stores to visit). below is their response. seems August for it

Thank you for contacting Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. We are pleased to be able to assist our customers via our website. Here is the information that you have requested:


That model will not be out in the market till approximately August of this year and will be carried by diamond dealers only.
We suggest you contact the diamond dealers in your area and find out if and when they intend to order for that model


Regards


MDEA

The HLR is a 1080p set. I have the component video cables for the Wii, and I have it set to 480p, but I am completely unable to play Super Mario World or Punch Out! on the set, even in Game Mode.
Then that is the cause of your delay. You have to be outputting 1080i/60 in order to eliminate the delays due to scaling even in game mode. If the Wii is not capable of outputting a higher resolution over the interface you are using then there is probably nothing you can do to eliminate the delay.

I sent an email to MEDA Friday asking when and where for the 82" (where i live there are no stores to visit). below is their response. seems August for it

Thank you for contacting Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. We are pleased to be able to assist our customers via our website. Here is the information that you have requested:


That model will not be out in the market till approximately August of this year and will be carried by diamond dealers only.
We suggest you contact the diamond dealers in your area and find out if and when they intend to order for that model


Regards


MDEA

Since you got a formal answer, your intel is probably better than mine but I spoke to the Mitsubishi regional sales manager ( I met the guy when my 73927 had to be replaced twice) and he told me May/June for the 82" models.

Since you got a formal answer, your intel is probably better than mine but I spoke to the Mitsubishi regional sales manager ( I met the guy when my 73927 had to be replaced twice) and he told me May/June for the 82" models.


i much prefer your response.

With all the brick and mortar closures, just finding a place to see these displays is getting tougher. I expect I'll have to take a 70 mile trip to SF to see them.

With all the brick and mortar closures, just finding a place to see these displays is getting tougher. I expect I'll have to take a 70 mile trip to SF to see them.

That's true. If you don't live in places like LA and NYC chances are you won't see the high-end gear . My next TV will probably be purchased online .

Then that is the cause of your delay. You have to be outputting 1080i/60 in order to eliminate the delays due to scaling even in game mode. If the Wii is not capable of outputting a higher resolution over the interface you are using then there is probably nothing you can do to eliminate the delay.The Wii doesn't put out any higher than 480p. I know the scaling is the cause of the delay.... But the consensus on the gaming boards has been that DLPs have taken a lot longer to scale than other TV display technologies for some reason. So my question is has there been any improvement in that over the past 3 years since I bought my Samsung DLP?

The Wii doesn't put out any higher than 480p. I know the scaling is the cause of the delay.... But the consensus on the gaming boards has been that DLPs have taken a lot longer to scale than other TV display technologies for some reason. So my question is has there been any improvement in that over the past 3 years since I bought my Samsung DLP?
Owner's of the newest Samsung DLP's (LED version anyway...not sure about the bulb-based ones, but I assume it's the same) experience no lag.

Since you got a formal answer, your intel is probably better than mine but I spoke to the Mitsubishi regional sales manager ( I met the guy when my 73927 had to be replaced twice) and he told me May/June for the 82" models.

just a guess, but probably the offical release would be in june, but the customer service people mentioned August as a safe guess to when the product is fully propegated to retail outlets.

that guess, of course, is based on 2 posts I just read in this thread :rolleyes:

The Wii doesn't put out any higher than 480p. I know the scaling is the cause of the delay.... But the consensus on the gaming boards has been that DLPs have taken a lot longer to scale than other TV display technologies for some reason. So my question is has there been any improvement in that over the past 3 years since I bought my Samsung DLP?

i cannot comment on samsung...you should probably visit the samsung threads (there are many threads with many knowledgeable persons who can answer your question).

for mitsubishi (since this is a mitsubishi thread) people have already answered your question several times.

If you dont trust these people, take your game console to a local mits dealer and test it out. It is probably the only way you will be truely satisfied.

If I simply told you that DLP is inherently a much faster technology than LCD or plasma you may not believe me (it's the mirrors). The processing speed of video/audio signal has little to do with the output display type and more to do with the analog to digital conversion and video processor that the product uses.
All types of displays (at least commercially available ones) must convert the video signal to some type of transport mediam such as TMDS or LVDS. That then interfaces with the display output, and in the case of flat panels have a response in the range of milliseconds where DLP is in the range of microseconds.
Simply suggesting that DLP is an inferior display type in the catagory of game lag has no merit. It all has to do with the processing of the audio and video which is done completely seperate of the display output type.

I sent an email to MEDA Friday asking when and where for the 82" (where i live there are no stores to visit). below is their response. seems August for it

Thank you for contacting Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc. We are pleased to be able to assist our customers via our website. Here is the information that you have requested:


That model will not be out in the market till approximately August of this year and will be carried by diamond dealers only.
We suggest you contact the diamond dealers in your area and find out if and when they intend to order for that model


Regards


MDEA

I hope that's not the case. I called two diamond dealers in Northeast Ohio and one told me they will have the 82" in their showroom in 3 - 4 weeks and the other dealer told me they will have one in a couple of weeks. I guess we shall see.

I hope that's not the case. I called two diamond dealers in Northeast Ohio and one told me they will have the 82" in their showroom in 3 - 4 weeks and the other dealer told me they will have one in a couple of weeks. I guess we shall see.

I have a hard time believing these dealers. Given that Mitsubishi hasn't added the 82" models to their website, despite adding the 737 models for the 60", 65" and 73" models while the line show was taking place, I find it very hard to believe that the 82" model is far enough down the pipeline that we will see it within the next month or so.

My guess is, unless the salesmen were giving you the "I don't know the answer so I'll say that we're getting it soon, so he doesn't go somewhere else" answer, that the WD-60737, WD-65737 and WD-73737 are the models that will be arriving at stores in the quoted time frames.

Bigger is always better up to a point. Probably should be no closer than 15foot away to view a noise free image ( I am 12 foot away from the 73incher which is borderline). Also I noticed that larger screen above 65 starts to loose detail/sharpness due to the image getting blown up to mamoth proportions. Need 1440p or 2160p to alleviate this.

Have you hung out on the projector or home theater forums much? Most would scoff at a screen size of "only" 82 inches. In fact, SMPTE (30° viewing angle) would recommend s seating distance of 11.1 feet and THX (36° viewing angle) would recommend only 9.2 feet.

As for resolution, for the normal human eye (able to resolve edtails of 1/60th of a degree of an arc) 10.6 feet from an 82" screen is where you would start to see the difference between 1080p and 1440p.

Now, of course, if you are watching 480p SD cable on an 82" screen from 12 feet away, you can definitely see the degradation.

I range anywhere from 6-11' from a 73", and I don't have "noise" issues. At least not from the display. Artifacting, smudging, etc. is clearly visible on broadcast material, but Blu-ray/HDDVD is great.

well I have read the owners manual for these new units and nowhere does it mention anything about having PIP/split screen capability. You would think this would be a nice feature to have , especially with the bigger screen sizes. I'm a big sports fan and have both cable and satellite boxes. its really nice to be able to watch two events at one time, side by side. my 5 year old 55" mits has the capability to split the screen using any two inputs (i am only using one hdmi). I dont know why manufacturers have discontinued this feature. and if they still have it, its usually restricted to only using the antenna in inputs. :(

I think you'd probably find that PIP demand is relatively low in the market. Probably because most people who buy these have them hooked up to an STB, and most people don't have two STBs per display. I do have two STBs, and also have both cable and OTA hooked up as well, yet I have no need for PIP. But I'm not a sports fan. :D

well I have read the owners manual for these new units and nowhere does it mention anything about having PIP/split screen capability. You would think this would be a nice feature to have , especially with the bigger screen sizes. I'm a big sports fan and have both cable and satellite boxes. its really nice to be able to watch two events at one time, side by side. my 5 year old 55" mits has the capability to split the screen using any two inputs (i am only using one hdmi). I dont know why manufacturers have discontinued this feature. and if they still have it, its usually restricted to only using the antenna in inputs. :(
your 5 year old TV doesnt allow digital picture in both screens however.
If I recall, the only Mits to do that was the WD-xx927/827 models.

I do agree that dual window HD would be fun on an 82".

unfortunatley, I am willing to bet it wont happen. There just isnt enough people who use that feature.

I would like dual digital inputs on an 82" but am not expecting it. :(

I'm excited the prospect of an 82" TV -- my 70" just isn't big enough! But I've not purchased Mits before and I'm not finding many positive reviews on their DLP products. Can someone point me to some current reviews?

I'd love the size but I wouldn't want to step down in image quality.

Though I have read that the 2009 dlp's are available here in St. Louis they are not available yet. Has anyone found the tv's. Seems like the prices may be lower than the 2008 dlp's. Would you wait for the new tv's.

I'm excited the prospect of an 82" TV -- my 70" just isn't big enough! But I've not purchased Mits before and I'm not finding many positive reviews on their DLP products. Can someone point me to some current reviews?

I'd love the size but I wouldn't want to step down in image quality.

That's a good question. I have a 73927 and will have to decide between a new 65" Panasonic plasma (P65V10) and a 82" DLP. judging by what I have seen so far, The Panasonic is a clear winner. Saw a G10 yesterday and the picture is much better than any DLP I have seen but I want to give the 82837 a chance. I can only watch my 73927 at night because the picture is too soft at normal mode and pretty bad at bright mode. DLP is old technology and can't compete with the new plasmas , you get more size for less money but not more quality. I also had too many problems with my set and I think Mitsubishi has a serious quality control problem.

Have you hung out on the projector or home theater forums much? Most would scoff at a screen size of "only" 82 inches. In fact, SMPTE (30° viewing angle) would recommend s seating distance of 11.1 feet and THX (36° viewing angle) would recommend only 9.2 feet.

As for resolution, for the normal human eye (able to resolve edtails of 1/60th of a degree of an arc) 10.6 feet from an 82" screen is where you would start to see the difference between 1080p and 1440p.


I guarantee, you sit 9.2feet away from the 82 inch rptv and you will be disappointed. My point being smaller screen sizes have a sharper image with less pronounced noise. Noise is still there, but it is not blown up to "marble" size.

Noise, artifacts are a way of life so far. Blu rays are not the answer since most blu rays have mediocre transfers that do not fully exploit the blu rays potential. Except for heavy digitized blu rays, I have not seen many pristine blu ray video transfers.

I guarantee, you sit 9.2feet away from the 82 inch rptv and you will be disappointed. My point being smaller screen sizes have a sharper image with less pronounced noise. Noise is still there, but it is not blown up to "marble" size.

Well, I'm pretty sure you'd be wrong. I currently sit 11 feet from a 110" screen, equivalent to 8.2 feet from an 82" screen and I'm not disappointed at all. If there is a problem with noise, it is due to the set and not the 1080p resolution.

That's a good question. I have a 73927 and will have to decide between a new 65" Panasonic plasma (P65V10) and a 82" DLP. judging by what I have seen so far, The Panasonic is a clear winner. Saw a G10 yesterday and the picture is much better than any DLP I have seen but I want to give the 82837 a chance. I can only watch my 73927 at night because the picture is too soft at normal mode and pretty bad at bright mode. DLP is old technology and can't compete with the new plasmas , you get more size for less money but not more quality. I also had too many problems with my set and I think Mitsubishi has a serious quality control problem.
The only color wheel based DLPs I can find measurements on are the series 6 Samsungs. If those are an indication of how color wheel DLPs perform, then it would definitely be a step down from my Sony SXRD 70." But series 6 is getting pretty old, so it may not be a fair comparsion. Mts doesn't publish much technical information it seems.

well I have read the owners manual for these new units and nowhere does it mention anything about having PIP/split screen capability. You would think this would be a nice feature to have , especially with the bigger screen sizes. I'm a big sports fan and have both cable and satellite boxes. its really nice to be able to watch two events at one time, side by side. my 5 year old 55" mits has the capability to split the screen using any two inputs (i am only using one hdmi). I dont know why manufacturers have discontinued this feature. and if they still have it, its usually restricted to only using the antenna in inputs. :(

Where did you find the owners manuals?

Where did you find the owners manuals?

737 series owner's manual (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/pdf/C9-737-837_OG.pdf)

If looking on Mitsubishi website, after selecting a model, click on the Product Specs tab, then the "Detailed Specs" at the bottom of the page and then the link to the "Owner's Guide PDF".

737 series owner's manual (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/pdf/C9-737-837_OG.pdf)

If looking on Mitsubishi website, after selecting a model, click on the Product Specs tab, then the "Detailed Specs" at the bottom of the page and then the link to the "Owner's Guide PDF".

Too many http's in your link. :)

737 series owner's manual (http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/pdf/C9-737-837_OG.pdf)

This April 9 New York Times article reveals why Mitsubishi is doing everything they can to hide the fact that their new DLP TVs are indeed fat rear projection DLPs.

http://gadgetwise.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/rear-projection-tv-who-us/?8cir&emc=cirb1

Yeah, I'm not sure where the "wobulation" term came from. I don't believe TI officially uses that terminology for it. DarkChip 4 comes in both wobulated and non-wobulated, so it can be up to 2.2 million mirrors, but not necessarily.

I agree that most companies aren't very open about their inner technologies. Try getting a straight answer out of one of them regarding whether or not their sets do proper 5:5 pulldown of 24fps material (assuming, of course, you can even confirm their sets do "true" 120hz refreshes). :rolleyes:

Wobulation is technology that came from Hewlett Packard. It was originally used in printers... nothing wrong with wobulation on DLPs except for no true multiples of 24FPS... My only concern on the 82" would be how good or bad is the processing... I do watch some 4:3 TV content... Gosh I hope these 2009 sets are better calibratred out of the box. The '08 Mits sets just plain sucked out of the box.....

I think Mitsubishi DLPs are awful out of the box and calibration is a must . Even the basic one (Avia,etc..) will improve the picture a lot. A 82" TV deserves a professional calibration, anyway.

I just checked with my local BB (Ithaca, NY). The system shows that the WD-65737 will be available in my region beginning May 3.

One of the two Diamond Dealers that I recently contacted just called me. He said he just got off the phone with his Mits rep and was told the 82" would ship Mid June. In his words that means he probably won't get it in until the end of June. So much for "shipping now" in the press release. I guess it's not really unexpected, though.

I just checked with my local BB (Ithaca, NY). The system shows that the WD-65737 will be available in my region beginning May 3.

just checked US appliance and they show the 65737 in stock but 73737 and 60737 are not showing up yet. The 65737 is at ~$100 more than they offered the 636 series which isn't so bad, I know this doesn't help the 82" fans, but gives me hope that the 73737 I am looking for will show up soon

One of the two Diamond Dealers that I recently contacted just called me. He said he just got off the phone with his Mits rep and was told the 82" would ship Mid June. In his words that means he probably won't get it in until the end of June. So much for "shipping now" in the press release. I guess it's not really unexpected, though.

The other dealer that I had contacted called me yesterday offering a pre-order buy on the 82837. The cost would be less than the retail of the 82737. I think I'm going to go for it. He told me the same delivery estimate as the other dealer, mid-late June. I've never bought a TV without previewing it first, but the price and the thought of owning an 82" TV is getting the best of me I think.

The other dealer that I had contacted called me yesterday offering a pre-order buy on the 82837. The cost would be less than the retail of the 82737. I think I'm going to go for it. He told me the same delivery estimate as the other dealer, mid-late June. I've never bought a TV without previewing it first, but the price and the thought of owning an 82" TV is getting the best of me I think.

That sounds very tempting. I am very interested in the 82837. How much? Is the price so low because of the pre-sale? Is this dealer someone you have some kind of relationship with, or just one that you happened to talk to? I would love to get one of these online & out-of-state to avoid paying sales tax.

very satisfied...waited a bit to upgrade (from 27" 4:3 CRT)
will try to adjust picture shortly, but hopefully there will be an official owner's thread, but so far the picture seems to be at least slightly better than last year's model although perhaps that is simply being able to watch it for more than a few minutes in a artificially lit showroom, good luck to others looking for this year's model, they are trickling into the wild.

Go ahead and start the owner's thread after you've had a chance to adjust the pic.

In what way was it slightly better than the '08s?

That sounds very tempting. I am very interested in the 82837. How much? Is the price so low because of the pre-sale? Is this dealer someone you have some kind of relationship with, or just one that you happened to talk to? I would love to get one of these online & out-of-state to avoid paying sales tax.

I don't have a relationship with the dealer and the price is not quite 20% off retail, but it's very close. I don't want to wait for the prices to fall and would love to get this from Onecall or ABT or someone out of state so I don't have to pay taxes as well. I'm not sure when they will start showing up online though.

very satisfied...waited a bit to upgrade (from 27" 4:3 CRT)
will try to adjust picture shortly, but hopefully there will be an official owner's thread, but so far the picture seems to be at least slightly better than last year's model although perhaps that is simply being able to watch it for more than a few minutes in a artificially lit showroom, good luck to others looking for this year's model, they are trickling into the wild.

May I ask where you found the unit? Onecall has the WD-65737 in stock, but you must search the website by the model number. It does not show up if you just click projection TV's. None of my local stores has it in stock yet.

May I ask where you found the unit? Onecall has the WD-65737 in stock, but you must search the website by the model number. It does not show up if you just click projection TV's. None of my local stores has it in stock yet.

initially, the power seems to turn on quicker than the 65835 I used, the menu seems to be improved and enhanced (individual color adjustments outside of service menu) and I want to say the SD scaling seems improved, although I was watching a cable connection (COX) on mine vs. SD DirectTV on the 65835, but the SD content seems watchable and not as bad as I remember, will try to start a thread shortly, so far have only made the contrast and other settings from other thread, but may need to pick up some calibration tools should the 737 vary significantly from last year for settings, will probably take requests for key details and accomodate as possible for things like photos of new menus etc.

Though I have read that the 2009 dlp's are available here in St. Louis they are not available yet. Has anyone found the tv's. Seems like the prices may be lower than the 2008 dlp's. Would you wait for the new tv's.

Amazon.com is now showing the 60737 and 65737 in stock.

Pulled the trigger on the wd-73835 10 days ago. Just seemed the changes in the models will be minimal. Saved 500 off a new one for 2009. Love the picture. Slow to start when cold even with the fast start setting.

anyone have the new 60737 yet?
how does it look?

Well i went into this purchase as blind as a bat. I have been looking at either the sami 61" non led or the wd60735. I have been waiting on the arrivals of the 60737 with the 120hz and updated specs for 2009. Well, ordered one tonight from 6ave. for $1,187.37 with white glove delivery. I hope all goes well with the shipping and the tv turns out as good as the 635 does. I'll keep everyone posted on the 2009 737's when I start to get some info from the shipping company and then some reviews!

wow these 60737 are just released and 6th ave has it 33%+ off at $987

newmason did they charge you $199 for the white glove option?

i thought they had a $49 special on white glove delivery.

may that sucks to pay 20%+ just for the shipping though. hope you get it soon and good luck with it.

Yes 6ave has the 2009 60737's in stock for $987. I'm not sure about the $49 white glove delivery, as it doesnt have the option for that price. It might just be the price on the older models (735's). But I dont mind spending almost 25% on shipping cost, as when they start to show up in retailers (if they do) im sure will cost anywhere from $1399 sale MSRP $1499 and up and still would have to pay tax and in ohio thats 6.5% so almost another 100 bucks ontop of those two prices. $1,187 after all said and done, doesnt seem to bad on my 1200 budget!:D Ill keep everyone informed

cool. but that money would go much better to an extended warranty which would be a requirement if i ever had a thought of buying another mits again. at least with that low price you can get a mack 3 year add on warranty with 2 bulbs covered for only $217 from tapeworkstexas. that would put you at ~$1400 total and covered for 4 years and 2 bulbs.

did you just order online or call in and place an order? if you just placed an online order i would certainly call them asap and see if they would give you the $49 special since so many other tv on their site get that offer. never hurts to ask even when you think your already getting a good deal.

This is true. Ill give them a call after I get off work today and see what they have to say. Have you had problems with the mitsu's in the past? I figure that they have a one year factory war on the tv's and the bulbs that I should be good for atleast one year, so crank up the settings for the year!

Go ahead and start the owner's thread after you've had a chance to adjust the pic.

In what way was it slightly better than the '08s?
Took your advice, will try to keep that thread up to date, and open to feedback and suggestions, since still getting the basics down for this tv, but would like to try and calibrate it at some point in near future.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1142582

Well so much for calling to see if I could get the price of white glove delivery for 49 bucks, as I just checked the status and the tv has already been shipped!!!! :D. Should have a review of the 60737 soon. Vannausj how does the 65 look? Notice any changes with the 120hz compared to the 735's?

This site (http://www.digitalcraze.com/Details.asp?ProductID=3729) has the 82837 for $4500 on pre-sale with an availability date of July. It says that it is taking pre-sales now due to limited availability. Based on some quick research, I would not order anything from this site. But, the price, availability date, and "limited availability" have me wondering if I need to jump on a pre-sale from a "good" online dealer if such a deal appears. What are the best online sites to order such an expensive item from? Have other displays had a special pre-sale price, or is that just marketing?

I would hazard a guess that the place that is "pre selling" it is not a Diamond dealer but rather a typical eastern European / Israeli junk shop located in Brooklyn. If anyone has the testies to deal with them then you are a better man than I.



This site (http://www.digitalcraze.com/Details.asp?ProductID=3729) has the 82837 for $4500 on pre-sale with an availability date of July. It says that it is taking pre-sales now due to limited availability. Based on some quick research, I would not order anything from this site. But, the price, availability date, and "limited availability" have me wondering if I need to jump on a pre-sale from a "good" online dealer if such a deal appears. What are the best online sites to order such an expensive item from? Have other displays had a special pre-sale price, or is that just marketing?

I would hazard a guess that the place that is "pre selling" it is not a Diamond dealer but rather a typical eastern European / Israeli junk shop located in Brooklyn. If anyone has the testies to deal with them then you are a better man than I.



Racist comments are not welcome here, sir.

ABT has both the 60737 and 65737 on display. The front face is identical to the 736 series. The menu gui is slightly different, but not very much. The addition of the advance picture mode is a shortcut to the service menu in a user friendly format. Within the advance picture mode you can adjust the usual things like sharpness, brite, contrast etc, as well as adjust vertical/horizonta, red blue green high, red blue green low (default 1023), the six colors (3 slots per color), and gamma.

Price difference between the 736 and 737 series is within a few hundred dollars. The 835s are still available and maybe a good alternative since nothing really new with the newer sets....unless you are holding out for the 82incher.

Does anybody know if these suffer from the "bleeding" issue the previous models have? I just got a 73-835 a couple of weeks ago and its got a problem with faint light shining through the letterbox bars on 2.35 content and also some really bad "blooming" when viewing the brightness test pattern on the DVE Blu-ray. I'm considering swapping my 835 out for a 737 if they don't exhibit this issue.

This (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1139317) is what I'm talking about, with pics, for clarification.

rosros did you notice any improvements with the 120hz? instead of the 60hz?

I have a wd73835 which has the 120hz processing. Unless they have a split screen avail, doubtful if you really see a difference between 60hz and 120hz. The programming they had on was espn hd news, which has horrid resolution to begin with.

Still 120mz processing is nice to have than not have. It probably more beneficial for 3-d movies using the shutter type lens than for motion blurs. dlp are pretty fast anyways. There has been mixed opinions re the 120hz processing providing judder free video. Some say it adds frames, some say it does not. Apparently it does not do 5:5 so there is still some processing involved.

What was your overal impression of the 737's then. Sitting here just wondering how it compares up to the 735's. Was going to jump on the 735 at hhgregg but got a much better deal at 6ave for the 737

Racist comments are not welcome here, sir.

Assinine statemate of the year award is yours.:rolleyes:

Call them and place an order i dare you. Born and raised and still living in Brooklyn and i know i would not.

I would get the 737. more features than the 735 as the 736 is more comparable to the 737. Newer is always better and if the prices are close, the 737 is the way to go.

Now if choosing between the 835 and 737, that would be a tougher call. The diamond has better cosmetics, dark detailer, sharp edge, and perfect tint. Besides tweatking of the software, the 737 has no addl features over the 835. The 835 are still not discounted much considering the 837 are on the way in a few months.

Thanks for some of the info rosros, more helpfull than anyone else or the sellers right now. This is my first hdtv so im pretty excited about it. Have done about 3 months worth of research, and was drawn towards the DLP's just because the screen size to dollar is such a better deal. My apartment complex wont allow us to wall-mount a lcd or plasma, and the amount I got the 737 for I think I could have gotten probably about a 42" with 720p and a horrible ms! Just cant wait now!

Once you get that baby in the house, you would be amazed how much better it looks at home. Basic tweaking would get you that nice pop.

Yeah I cant wait to get this thing here. I can only how many hours those DLPs in the retailers from last year have on them! My current setup is a 23" CRT magnovox from about 10 years ago. So this is a huge step up. I have been looking at hdtv's for years now but just never could afford a 3k and above set! Do they make any good calibrating dvd's? Ill post some pictures as soon as this bad boy arrives. I should know arival date tomorrow im hopeing from the shipping company. Couldnt imagine NY to Ohio taking more than a week! From 6ave.com

also, has anyone ever ordered a tv online and had it delivered? is there anything that i should look at right away to make sure that nothing is defective or broken? obviously looking at the box is a big indicator, any tips or anything? im so excited, and cant wait to give you all a review!

also, has anyone ever ordered a tv online and had it delivered? is there anything that i should look at right away to make sure that nothing is defective or broken? obviously looking at the box is a big indicator, any tips or anything? im so excited, and cant wait to give you all a review!

I ordered locally, but sprung for just the simple delivery (no set up), but I would recommend having everything cleared out and clean so if you had white glove or similar service level they could simply place the tv on the stand then you pop the cable or dvd/dvr connection in, so you would be able to have a picture and check for glaring defects in a minute or so. If the location is easy for them to set a tv on might be able to talk them into letting you check it out before you sign. Fortunately these things are light and not that strenuous to move.

What was your overal impression of the 737's then. Sitting here just wondering how it compares up to the 735's. Was going to jump on the 735 at hhgregg but got a much better deal at 6ave for the 737

I want to say SD scaling appears better, I would really like to see a side by side though (perhaps will look to find in store). It could be placebo, but so far the SD cable and DVD's are not nearly unpleasant as previous times watching a 65835 (and 65833 I believe) in a home setting.

Sounds good, yeah the area for the new tv is all ready to go. I do have the white glove delivery so ill make sure to plug it in and vrfy that there are no defects. Any ideas on what a defect would like like on a tv like this? Other than blue/green screen bulb issues.

My soon to arrive WD-65737 is a replacement for a WD-62525 720P. Has anyone made this jump yet and compared BD movies on the two sets? I hopped up my HTPC while the 525 has been down for 5 months. I haven't seen BD in 1080P yet.

I be ready.

Be sure to reset your blu ray player for 24 1080p. Can't get any better than that.

also, has anyone ever ordered a tv online and had it delivered? is there anything that i should look at right away to make sure that nothing is defective or broken? obviously looking at the box is a big indicator, any tips or anything? im so excited, and cant wait to give you all a review!

I got a 65" 350 lb hitachii rpcrt 2 years ago from Universal Appliance from Minnesota (I think) to Washington state (sure of this, at least) with zero problems, box looked like it just came out the factory door. Got my 60lb tx-sr805 Onkyo from 6th ave, again, no problems.

Living 130 miles and 2 mountain passes from the nearest a/v store, I LOVE the internet!

Thank you Algore. :D

also, has anyone ever ordered a tv online and had it delivered? is there anything that i should look at right away to make sure that nothing is defective or broken? obviously looking at the box is a big indicator, any tips or anything? im so excited, and cant wait to give you all a review!

look over the box as if it should be flawless. if its not, make sure to note it to the delivery person.
Dont just sign your name. Write on the paper they give you that you found crush mark or tear mark or puncture mark.

If possible, make them turn on the TV and verify the mirror isnt broken.
If it is, refuse the shipment. Dont let them leave the TV in your home.

An ebay seller quoted me 1550 for a 65737, and after cashback it would be 1426 shipped. I think this is a great deal, with no tax. Not many reviews on this set though makes me weary of jumping this early. Anyone have suggestions?

Not many reviews on this set though makes me weary of jumping this early. Anyone have suggestions?

Mitsubishi's literature suggests they have tweaked some of the video processing features, but for the most part, I would expect these to be VERY similar to last years models. Most of the features they claimed to improve most people preferred to leave off anyway. So worst case, they aren't really any better, and you leave them off in the new models too, best case, they have improved enough to have more cases where you'd want to use them. The newer models do seem to be a little bit deeper. IF that has any affect on performance, I would think that might improve native geometry.

My soon to arrive WD-65737 is a replacement for a WD-62525 720P. Has anyone made this jump yet and compared BD movies on the two sets? I hopped up my HTPC while the 525 has been down for 5 months. I haven't seen BD in 1080P yet.

I be ready.

While I can't give you impressions on the current models I can tell you that I bought a 62725 years ago when it first came out. I would bet you'll see a pretty big step up since your model. My 62725 was the dimmest TV I have ever owned. And when I say dim I really mean dim. Brightness should be much better and I would bet that shadow detail has significantly improved as well (also something early DLPs handled poorly). IMO you'll probably be very happy.

Good luck!

Assinine statemate of the year award is yours.:rolleyes:

Call them and place an order i dare you. Born and raised and still living in Brooklyn and i know i would not.

Lot of love in NY;)

Thanks guys, as soon as it shows up ill give you all pictures and hopefully an awesome review! Its at the shipping company now, Will be in Cincinnati on Monday and should be able to set up a delivery for im hoping tuesday! Its going to be a long weekend

Want more news on the 82 or a review or something. Waiting for June for at least two or three things now.

While I can't give you impressions on the current models I can tell you that I bought a 62725 years ago when it first came out. I would bet you'll see a pretty big step up since your model. My 62725 was the dimmest TV I have ever owned. And when I say dim I really mean dim. Brightness should be much better and I would bet that shadow detail has significantly improved as well (also something early DLPs handled poorly). IMO you'll probably be very happy.

Good luck!

XB,
Near the end it was so dim my wife would only watch tv on the 37" LCD.

I saw a 60737 and a 65737 next to the 2008 DLP line (65835,73835) at Brandsmart showroom in Miami. They all looked VERY dim and washed. I own a 73927 and it only looks good in a completely dark room with a BD disk. Many people say the bulb lasts for 4-5000 hours but the fact is few hundred hours after changing the bulb the picture starts to fade. Only reason to consider a DLP (and a good one) is the size/price ratio but the picture quality will not match any modern plasma.

A shame considering the only plasmas I thought could match a properly functioning SXRD were the Elite and Kuro, for far far more money at equivalent sizes/resolution.

Might not match in brightness, but ill take the price/to screen/to energy/to waiting for prices to fall/ any day. Plus, how many hours do you think any of those DLPs in the store have on the bulb. and lighting? DLP's from what I have been reading are almost 50% less energy consumption compared to the plasmas and lcd's.... Dont get me wrong I wouldnt mind having a 60" 1080p LCD with 120hz and a BDP along with 7.1 surround system, but what is the NEXT latest and greatest thing to come out....:mad:Society is controlled by technology, always has been, always will be. Ill stick with the bulbs

I've never had a Mits DLP and I'm curious about these new models especially the WD-737837. Does it still use a color wheel and can some people be effected by RBE?
Thank you

I saw a 60737 and a 65737 next to the 2008 DLP line (65835,73835) at Brandsmart showroom in Miami. They all looked VERY dim and washed. I own a 73927 and it only looks good in a completely dark room with a BD disk. Many people say the bulb lasts for 4-5000 hours but the fact is few hundred hours after changing the bulb the picture starts to fade. Only reason to consider a DLP (and a good one) is the size/price ratio but the picture quality will not match any modern plasma.

I was hoping for better reports than this on the 65737 series. I wanted to spend almost half the money vs. a Sammy 63 plasma and get near the same PQ with the newest Mitsu 65 DLP.

"Plus, how many hours do you think any of those DLPs in the store have on the bulb"

Only a few hours in the case of the 2 "37" models the poster referred to. Those new models have only been out for a week or so.

Wasnt just talking about the new 737's and how many hours were on the bulbs. I was just talking about in general, everytime you look at a DLP in the retailers, dont you wonder how many hours are on that thing?

Ill give a full review as soon as 6ave.com shippers figure out what the heck is going on. From what I have been told, the freight should have moved at 8 tonight, but didnt. Called back just now, and was told that company consolidates all the orders and will ship a full truck to various areas, and to check back tomorrow on the tracking number they gave me.

I saw a 60737 and a 65737 next to the 2008 DLP line (65835,73835) at Brandsmart showroom in Miami. They all looked VERY dim and washed. I own a 73927 and it only looks good in a completely dark room with a BD disk. Many people say the bulb lasts for 4-5000 hours but the fact is few hundred hours after changing the bulb the picture starts to fade.

I haven't experienced anything like this yet on my 73736, and it's in a fairly well lit room (though fortunately not like a Brandsmart showroom, unless I have the blinds open on a sunny day). It's only about 9 mos old, but it's gotten some pretty heavy use in that time (haven't checked the hours). And I'm using the lower "energy saving" bulb setting. The smaller models should be even brighter, since they all use the same bulb regardless of how much screen area they have (though the 82" should therefore be dimmer).

I can make my 73927 be "bright enough" but the picture will be bad. The major reasons:

-The old sets only have 2 modes : BRIGHT (makes the colors, black and shadow detail almost unwatchable) and NATURAL (good colors, good detail but dim). New sets have 3 settings, which should be better.

-Color temperature COLD (too cold) or WARM (too warm). I can't tolerate the bluish whites of COLD and I use WARM which makes the picture even dimmer.

-The bulb is only 150 WATTS . For the 73" it seems to be not enough. The Qualia has a 200 WATTS bulb. New sets come with a 180 WATTS bulb.

As you can see , there are reasons to believe the new series would be better but inside the store I could see old and new sets that looked pretty much the same. On the next room a 65" Panasonic plasma was showing the same feed with a much better picture to my taste.

If I prefer the plasmas, what am I doing here ? Price/size is much better and the 82" would provide a real HT experience in my living room. As I said, Bluray looks good even on my old 73927 and I can wait for the room to get dark.

I saw a 60737 and a 65737 next to the 2008 DLP line (65835,73835) at Brandsmart showroom in Miami.
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The bulb is only 150 WATTS . For the 73" it seems to be not enough. The Qualia has a 200 WATTS bulb. New sets come with a 180 WATTS bulb.

As you can see , there are reasons to believe the new series would be better but inside the store I could see old and new sets that looked pretty much the same.

Your older 73927 may use a 150w bulb, but both the '08 models (735/736/835) and the new '09 models both use a 180w bulb. So I would expect them to look the same (at least in that regard). They may have seemed dim in a brightly lit showroom, but I've not seen any '08 owners complain about their sets being dim. Like I said, I use mine with the lamp in the energysaver mode, and the picture in "natural" mode, and have no issues in a relatively bright room. Is it as bright as my plasma? Not sure, never compared them side by side. The plasma is in the kitchen with glass on three walls + skylights, and it's only 42" compared to 73" for the DLP in the den. But for a well lit but reasonably light controlled room, like you'd expect to find most 73" TVs in, the 180w models seem plenty bright to me. Though I probably wouldn't put any projection type display in a sunroom.

That's just my opinion based on my experience with mine. Considering the '09s appear to have the same bulb as the '08s, I would probably refer to the '08 owners thread to see what others think.

On my previous post I mentioned the 150 X 180 watts bulb and the other reasons why my 73927 is not bright enough unless the room is dark. I also mentioned that I saw the new 60637 and 65637 and found them washed and dim compared to a plasma. This is only my opinion and doesn't mean the new Mitsu is bad. 99% of people who spend the money on a new TV will tell you the picture is fantastic, it's human nature. I have a plasma, a LCD and a DLP. Dark room, i stick to the DLP for price/size. Picture quality, plasma hands down. LCD ? only in my office as a 2nd monitor or for games.

Ok, I just wanted to make sure what you were stating was clear. When you said "there are reasons to believe the new series would be better but inside the store I could see old and new sets that looked pretty much the same" That came right after saying the old sets were 150w, while the new ones were 180w, then continued on to say BUT the old ones and new ones look the same side by side (which you previously stated were '08 and '09 models). It LOOKED like you were suggesting that an increase from 150w to 180w resulted in two sets that looked the same side by side, when in fact, the side by side comparison was between two 180w models. Just wanted to clarify that.

People are going to have to make their own judgements based on their home conditions. A brightly lit showroom isn't typical of the viewing conditions that most here would have. In fact, there are cases were a lower wattage bulb might be more appropriate. There's someone in these forums that went to great pains to modify his set (an SXRD, IIRC) to reduce light output for better black levels. Unfortunately, it's not so easy to sample sets of this size in our homes before buying. You're a lot better off previewing (properly adjusted) displays in stores that have demo rooms with conditions similar to typical home viewing.

Racist comments are not welcome here, sir.

Sorry, looking at the site and the like, but I find it hard to see where you got racist from.

I'd say he hit it square on the head, and I wouldn't buy from them for that very reason.

Seggers

Well here comes the stupid question. I'm def not going to buy a $100 HDMI cable, so with that, what cable should I buy for the new 60737? Im a neebie:) My setup will just be HDMI from the cable box to the tv, and an HDMI cable from the xd-e500 upconverting dvd player

Sorry, looking at the site and the like, but I find it hard to see where you got racist from.

I'd say he hit it square on the head, and I wouldn't buy from them for that very reason.

Seggers

I am not recommending you should buy from them. I just think the inclusion of "Eastern Europeans and Israelis" is unnecessary and can offend people from those regions.

What cable should I buy for the new 60737? My setup will just be HDMI from the cable box to the tv, and an HDMI cable from the xd-e500 upconverting dvd player

Take a look at HDMI cables from forum sponsor Monoprice. (http://www.monoprice.com/products/subdepartment.asp?c_id=102&cp_id=10240) Great cables, superior service, terrific price.

XB,
Near the end it was so dim my wife would only watch tv on the 37" LCD.

I can imagine! My 725 series was so dim even when I first got it that when light crept in through the blinds that in darker shows you could hardly even make out a picture. The set for the time had the best processing and by far the sharpest picture than the competition but brightness was a big flaw with that display. I'm sure you'll be very happy with your new set. :)

Just ordered 3 of the high speed 6ft HDMI cables! Wow 16 bucks shipped! Thank you monoprice!

I can imagine! My 725 series was so dim even when I first got it that when light crept in through the blinds that in darker shows you could hardly even make out a picture. The set for the time had the best processing and by far the sharpest picture than the competition but brightness was a big flaw with that display. I'm sure you'll be very happy with your new set. :)


You are right re the older models - starting with the x31 series, brightness was much improved. I have a Kuro and a 65831 - brightness is not an issue on the latter.

Well here comes the stupid question. I'm def not going to buy a $100 HDMI cable, so with that, what cable should I buy for the new 60737? Im a neebie:) My setup will just be HDMI from the cable box to the tv, and an HDMI cable from the xd-e500 upconverting dvd player

http://www.monoprice.com/home/index.asp

Ordered 3 6ft'ers last night:)

Does anyone know if these new models have a single piece screen or the two piece screen of the older models?

This has to be the longest weekend ever..... 60737 should be here tuesday or wednesday im hoping!!!! AHHHHHHH

Taking delivery of the new 60737 tomorrow between the hours 2-5pm EST. I'll start an offical 737 thread with the review and pictures tomorrow night for all of you interested! So far so good. Ordered thursday, freight company had it friday, arrived here in town today, and will be out tomorrow! Wow, so far, so good! Stay tuned!

Taking delivery of the new 60737 tomorrow between the hours 2-5pm EST. I'll start an offical 737 thread with the review and pictures tomorrow night for all of you interested! So far so good. Ordered thursday, freight company had it friday, arrived here in town today, and will be out tomorrow! Wow, so far, so good! Stay tuned!

here you go. I need to post a review, pictures and thoughts as well...one of these days
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1142582

How do you like it so far?

The delivery guys are out right now... waiting on there arrival and crossing my fingers that everything works!

How do you like it so far?
love it, world of improvement from 27" CRT, but been slammed so far haven't been able to focus on adjustments etc.
I am pleased so far that I didn't go for a similarly priced but much smaller LCD/Plasma, the immersion is worth it in my opinion.

Took delivery at 3:52 est, no damage, but a big worry coming out of the truck, as the re-re sinched it down to tight crushing one of the corners of the box. Uploading the pictures now.

The Before:http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/74/l_70020f57dc034549a58c1ce88734f3bd.jpg

The after: 2009 WD60737
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/70/l_e17cd51a175e441a80bbe51e277424c0.jpg

This is my first HDTV so I dont really have anything to compare it to, other than to friends tv's and my dad's 720p plasma. After unboxing it all and figuring out how to turn it on, I plugged in the cable via HDMI and went right to the HD channels and WOW, the colors look super spot on, that I honestly dont know if I would even change them. I might tinker with it later, but for now its nice. I had to go back into the settings for the cable box to get regular channels to show up in 4 : 3 the 16 : 4 would turn all the channels in to boxes with black sides instead of the full screen. As far as standard channels go, its really hit or miss. This tv is said to try and upconvert standard resolution to a 1080p resolution. Does it work? Eh hard to tell, some standard channels are noticable and others arnt. Just depends on what your watching. My girlfriend and I see absolutly no rainbow effect at all. Not sure if I just dont know what it looks like or what to look for, but it looks just like watching a LCD. The brightness right out of the box is pretty good. It does have a couple of settings and I went with just the normal brightness and brilliant color to tinker with. If you know what your doing the menu has some amazing functions and have complete control over every color! So if you have calibrating software, you will def be able to maximize these functions. The 2009 models are said to have the 120hz smooth motion. Noticable on a cable broadcast? Not really. I have not tried the capability with the upconverting tosiba e500 yet, but will tonight and will let you know, if it stands up to those LCD's with the new 120hz motion on them. So far so good. This was a very large purchase made through 6ave.com. I placed the order wednesday night and was processed on thursday. Freight company had it on there dock on friday, and arrived in town on monday, and took delivery this afternoon so less than a week ship for a 60" is awesome in my book, with no damage to the tv. Would I order from them again? Probably, but hopefully not for another 60" for sometime! All in all, im very happy with the purchase. Oh and did I mention this thing is bright!!! Even with the sun light coming through my glass door, can still watch with the blind open, and looks amazing with them shut! Ill try and keep updating from time to as I learn more about this monster. Here are a few more pictures:
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/71/l_537373c54d60416ba4a602157206eeb8.jpg
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/88/l_ebc557533d82434da37f6c7443e316ac.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/87/l_d84d42b3b29942c28afde4eae3d75cf2.jpg
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/85/l_8db9e5e339a24abbb17c242f2bbc39f4.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/110/l_0297c241e7dc409e81673d9b2ed5f22a.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/76/l_f0e270bc47244a0892f73fd211c5e99a.jpg

The Before:http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/74/l_70020f57dc034549a58c1ce88734f3bd.jpg

The after: 2009 WD60737
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/70/l_e17cd51a175e441a80bbe51e277424c0.jpg

This is my first HDTV so I dont really have anything to compare it to, other than to friends tv's and my dad's 720p plasma. After unboxing it all and figuring out how to turn it on, I plugged in the cable via HDMI and went right to the HD channels and WOW, the colors look super spot on, that I honestly dont know if I would even change them. I might tinker with it later, but for now its nice. I had to go back into the settings for the cable box to get regular channels to show up in 4 : 3 the 16 : 4 would turn all the channels in to boxes with black sides instead of the full screen. As far as standard channels go, its really hit or miss. This tv is said to try and upconvert standard resolution to a 1080p resolution. Does it work? Eh hard to tell, some standard channels are noticable and others arnt. Just depends on what your watching. My girlfriend and I see absolutly no rainbow effect at all. Not sure if I just dont know what it looks like or what to look for, but it looks just like watching a LCD. The brightness right out of the box is pretty good. It does have a couple of settings and I went with just the normal brightness and brilliant color to tinker with. If you know what your doing the menu has some amazing functions and have complete control over every color! So if you have calibrating software, you will def be able to maximize these functions. The 2009 models are said to have the 120hz smooth motion. Noticable on a cable broadcast? Not really. I have not tried the capability with the upconverting tosiba e500 yet, but will tonight and will let you know, if it stands up to those LCD's with the new 120hz motion on them. So far so good. This was a very large purchase made through 6ave.com. I placed the order wednesday night and was processed on thursday. Freight company had it on there dock on friday, and arrived in town on monday, and took delivery this afternoon so less than a week ship for a 60" is awesome in my book, with no damage to the tv. Would I order from them again? Probably, but hopefully not for another 60" for sometime! All in all, im very happy with the purchase. Oh and did I mention this thing is bright!!! Even with the sun light coming through my glass door, can still watch with the blind open, and looks amazing with them shut! Ill try and keep updating from time to as I learn more about this monster. Here are a few more pictures:
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/71/l_537373c54d60416ba4a602157206eeb8.jpg
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/88/l_ebc557533d82434da37f6c7443e316ac.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/87/l_d84d42b3b29942c28afde4eae3d75cf2.jpg
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/85/l_8db9e5e339a24abbb17c242f2bbc39f4.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/110/l_0297c241e7dc409e81673d9b2ed5f22a.jpg
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/76/l_f0e270bc47244a0892f73fd211c5e99a.jpg

Thank you very much for postng your new DLP photos and review....afer things settle down on your new set could you look at some fast action HD video and see if there is any rainbow effect...thanks agin. Nice looking set..bright.

Ton up!
Jake

could you look at some fast action HD video and see if there is any rainbow effect...

Keep in mind that visibility of the rainbow effect is going to be a combination of how fast a particular set changes colors, the content, and how susceptible a viewer is to seeing it. On the first issue, it's unlikely that it's any different than the '08 models. There's a host of people in the '08 thread that could give you their opinion, but that doesn't get around the last and biggest variable... just because someone else doesn't see it doesn't mean you won't, and just because someone else sees it doesn't mean you will. It is a minority of people who see it with current sets (I don't with my '08), but some people still can.

Well just got done unplugging my one and only hdmi cable into the upconverting dvd player to the tv, and played the action sequence to bad boys II where they are in a gun fight with the hashens inside a building and looked amazing, very little motion blur, and the ending shots where will smith drives down the cliff through the coke dealers huts looked just as good as well. I'm pretty impressed with the look of the tv so far. All the colors are super bright and dont find any bleeding/ghosting anywhere. I'm not sure if i'm using the right hdmi cable though, as it came with my 23" acer 1080p monitor, so not sure if its a high speed cable or not. Monoprice high speed cables should be here tomorrow I hope, so we'll see if it makes any difference. I do have to say I did notice the upconvering dvd player struggling to make a clean picture a bit when set on 1080p/24fps. This is where blue ray would come into play, and cant wait to get my hands on one to really see what it will look like! The only thing that confuses me so far, is that when I plug something in say the dvd player through hdmi the tv automaticly find its, but now does anyone know if the changes to the tv I make while using that input, will change it change the settings I use for the cable or another hdmi port?

I'm ready to buy a new Mits DLP, but my Mits 52628 keeps on going. I bought my 52628 back in Nov of 05 and have never had a problem with it, and it still has the factory bulb. I had it calibrated by Craig Rounds back in Apr of 06 and i have been very happy with it.

I'm kinda scared i won't be so lucky with my next DLP.

Keep in mind that visibility of the rainbow effect is going to be a combination of how fast a particular set changes colors, the content, and how susceptible a viewer is to seeing it. On the first issue, it's unlikely that it's any different than the '08 models. There's a host of people in the '08 thread that could give you their opinion, but that doesn't get around the last and biggest variable... just because someone else doesn't see it doesn't mean you won't, and just because someone else sees it doesn't mean you will. It is a minority of people who see it with current sets (I don't with my '08), but some people still can.

Thank you Darin for your reply and advice, I've never viewed a Mits DLP or others to see if I'm one of those people that can see the RBE. About two months I downloaded a black & white fast moving geometric shapes test file from the Internet and viewed it it on my computer screen HP2207 and I think I saw some trailing? I'm not sure if that is a real test or not. I have a Sony A60 but the added real estate from a Mits 73" would be nice. I'm going to have to take a road trip to see these in person. Any tips as to how to identify RBE?

Thanks

Any tips as to how to identify RBE?

One poster here suggested that you don't want to try to see it. He stated something to the effect that he couldn't previous see it, but after looking for it, he eventually learned what to look for, and is now bothered by it. I don't know how much truth there is to that, but I think it's definitely possible that our eyes/brain can be trained to recognize certain phenomenon that may have originally been hard to discern. Therefore, I don't risk "trying" to look for it. :)

That being said, my understanding is that it's most easily observed if you suddenly pan your head/eyes across the screen while there's a bright white portion on the screen. Proceed at your own risk. ;)

Got a chance for a long look this weekend at the local Fry's Electronics comparing a 65737 to a 65835. Interestingly, the 835 was the winner for me...just a subtley better at low level detail and motion. Since the 737 is new in the store, hard to really say this is a fair comparison...no telling how each were tweaked. Since the 737 is cheaper, may be the store's effort to empty the 835 inventory.

So what would one expect to see or look for in a comparison between 65835 and a 65737...other than price :D .

... comparing a 65737 to a 65835. Interestingly, the 835 was the winner for me...just a subtley better at low level detail and motion. ... So what would one expect to see or look for in a comparison between 65835 and a 65737

If by "low level", you mean low light levels, then I would expect that. The biggest difference between the 835 and the lower models is the inclusion of an iris to vary light output of the lamp based on the needs of the scene. This will improve black levels shadow detail in dim scenes. Motion should not be any different, that could simply be due to the settings being different, such as the Smooth120 feature being turned on on one, and off on the other (and the jury is out as to which setting would look better).

If by "low level", you mean low light levels, then I would expect that. The biggest difference between the 835 and the lower models is the inclusion of an iris to vary light output of the lamp based on the needs of the scene. This will improve black levels shadow detail in dim scenes. Motion should not be any different, that could simply be due to the settings being different, such as the Smooth120 feature being turned on on one, and off on the other (and the jury is out as to which setting would look better).

Can this "iris" be disabled? That has to trash gamma. Right? I don't see how it couldn't. Oh, man, I have an old CRT Mits., so I don't know anything about these DLP's, but I see that Mits. is still putting in useless "features". I was all hyped about possibly replacing my 65813 with an 82837, but this "iris" may be a show-stopper if it can't be disabled.

Well, here's some details on the 82837. I don't see any mention of an "iris", but maybe it's called something else.


Mitsubishi WD-82837 Medallion Series 82" DLP Home Theater HDTV Details

NEW ISF™ ccc advanced calibration mode
Energy Start 3.0 Qualified
IMPROVED Plush1080p 5G 12-bit processing
NEW advanced video calibration mode
IMPROVED DeepField Imager
IMPROVED SharpEdge
IMPROVED video noise reduction
NEW Jade activity based user interface
Optical System
Display type: DLP
Pixel resolution: 1920 x 1080
Lamp power: 180 watts
Video Performance
Mitsubishi exclusive 6-color processor
Plush 1080p 5G 12-bit video processing and video format conversion
HDMI v1.3a with x.v.Color and 36-bit DeepColor
PerfectColor
PerfecTint
DeepField Imager
Video noise reduction
ISF ccc day/night calibration modes
3D ready
Inputs/Outputs
Component/composite combined: 1 side, 2 rear
USB photo input: 1 side
HDMI (24, 30, 60Hz signal) inputs: 1 side, 3 rear
Stereo audio input for PC/DVI source: 1 rear
Stereo audio output: 1
Digital audio output (Dolby Digital/PCM): 1
NetCommand IR emitter: 1
3D IR emitter: 1
Notable Features
EasyConnect and NetCommand
ChannelView
Color temperature control
6 video mode presets
2 internal 10-watt loudspeakers
Digital output (PCM) for all analog sources
RS-232C interface
Universal remote control

The same website that has the 82837 is also selling the 73835, which has a feature called "Dark Detailer"--that has to be the "iris". Since I don't see that on the 82837, maybe I don't have to worry?!?!

The same website that has the 82837 is also selling the 73835, which has a feature called "Dark Detailer"--that has to be the "iris". Since I don't see that on the 82837, maybe I don't have to worry?!?!

My 73927 has this "deep field imager" or something like it. It's garbage and I leave it OFF. I guess it's the iris control and Mitsubishi is the champ on fancy names for useless features.

No, the "deep field imager" is just an image processing feature... sort of a dynamic contrast control. The iris is the "Dark Detailer".

No, the "deep field imager" is just an image processing feature... sort of a dynamic contrast control. The iris is the "Dark Detailer".

I thing you are right ,I based my comment on what is written on the user manual:

Deep Field Imager

"When ON is selected, the black level are dynamically enhanced in portions of the screen to provide strong contrast with detail over mixed screen content"

>>HDMI (24, 30, 60Hz signal) inputs: 1 side, 3 rear


These are still native 60hz sets, though, right? IOW, telecine judder?

Sounds as if you might be right. The tv might convert the max 60hz coming into the set through the hdmi ports into the 120hz, so it wouldnt be a full 120hz through hdmi but rather the tv converting it to 120..... Does this sound right anyone?

Rear projection DLPs are 60hz displays. They only display half of the pixels every 1/120th of a second. Therefore, 3:2 pulldown is applied to 24hz signals. Smooth120 is an image processing feature (which can be toggled on/off), not indicative of the true full frame refresh rate.

So it wont have that freakishly weird panning of sort during motion like how the lcd's have?

That being said, my understanding is that it's most easily observed if you suddenly pan your head/eyes across the screen while there's a bright white portion on the screen. Proceed at your own risk. ;)[/QUOTE]

Good points, I know when I forced myself to look for the screen door effect on our Sony A60 it was viewable on hockey rinks and snow scenes so like you said it was matter of relearning ...next stop the Mits show room.

anyone know what the differences are between the 82737 and 82837 are? if so are they worth the price differences based on the msrp?

3 high speed hdmi cables showed up from monocable just now! AWESOME. High speed hdmi 1.3 cables for 200% less than retails! Monocable rocks! Timewarner is coming out to look at my very shaky guide and some channels. Not sure why its doing it

Well, I don't think I have to worry about gamma & Dark Detailer. I forgot that my Lumagen VisionHDP has gamma adjustments. That should be able to counter any issues created by Dark Detailer, correct?

Dark Detailer doesn't necessarily have to adversely affect gamma... as they close the iris (effectively reducing the output of the light source), they should simultaneously be doing the equivalent of increasing the brightness of the video signal. The DLP mirrors should have longer "on" times to reflect more of the (less intense) light. That doesn't mean that their implementation is perfect, but you also can't assume it's imperfect.

Regardless, I don't see how you could possibly compensate for it in the signal chain. To maximize the DLPs effective contrast and improve dim scene black levels, you need to control the lamp's output such that it is providing JUST ENOUGH light for the brightest parts of any given scene. Essentially, the iris needs to be controlled by the brightest single pixel in an entire scene. You want the DLP to be at the equivalent of wide open throttle for that one pixel, then all the other pixels throttled down to the necessary levels. You don't have any way of adjusting gamma dynamically based on the brightest pixel in a scene. Even if you did, it could be a moving target if that upstream processing changed the response of the dynamic iris system.

I didn't spring for the extra cost of the Diamond version, so I can't give any first hand experience. My interpretation is it has the potential of negatively affecting gamma, as well as the potential of some pumping of screen brightness as the system adjusts to the scene, while definitely improving black levels and detail in dark scenes. The iris is the single biggest advantage the Diamond versions have over the others (most of the other step-ups are image processing "gimmicks" that many users turn off anyway). It is a benefit that may or may not have some negative side-effects, but regardless, most people seem quite happy with the Diamond sets, and do consider them to be a step-up over the lower end models. It would seem counter productive to pay the premium for the versions with the iris, then try to hack a way to defeat it. If you don't want it, get the 737 instead of the 837.

has it been confirmed that the dark detailer is the sole (or major) reason fro the large increase in msrp between the 737's and the 837's. i noticed for example that the msrp for the 82 inchers are $4199.00 and $4999.00 respectively. quite a jump. also has anyone else heard the rumor that the 82 inchers get a different screen. (wider viewing angle) when i asked a mitsubishi rep about this all he said was that i should take note of the fact that the 73 inchers weigh 92 lbs. and the 82's 156lbs. certainly a disproportionate weight to size difference.

The large increase in MSRP is because it is the premium model. That doesn't necessarily have to relate to a scaled increase in production cost. That being said, I would bet that it is the biggest cause of increase production cost over the other models. The other differences have been some relatively minor additional image processing features (some of which may exist in other models but simply be disabled), cosmetics, and maybe an extra HDMI input. Dark Detailer requires a different light engine with a mechanical electrically actuated iris, and the processing to control it.

As far as the screen, it's most likely heavier simply because of the size. Once you get to the bigger sizes, weight can grow out of proportion to the screen size because you simultaneously need to make the entire assembly more rigid. I have absolutely no knowledge of whether or not the 82 wold have a wider viewing angle, but I would be surprised if it did... it has the same output bulb as the smaller units. The last thing you'd want when you have fewer watts/inch is a lower gain screen.

As far as the screen, it's most likely heavier simply because of the size. Once you get to the bigger sizes, weight can grow out of proportion to the screen size because you simultaneously need to make the entire assembly more rigid. I have absolutely no knowledge of whether or not the 82 wold have a wider viewing angle, but I would be surprised if it did... it has the same output bulb as the smaller units. The last thing you'd want when you have fewer watts/inch is a lower gain screen.

Darin,
Could you explain fewer watts/inch is a lower gain screen, I'm still interested in the 82" Diamond but if picture quality
is going to be less than I'm interested in their 73". I don't mean to put you on the spot here and you don't have to answer but lets say you just came into 5k would you go for the 2009 73 or 82 Diamond or the next one down in the 73 or 82? I respect your technical knowledge and expertize.

The large increase in MSRP is because it is the premium model.


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Darin

Is the dimound still there top of the line?? i'm a little :confused: with all the new modles.

Thank you John

Darin,
Could you explain fewer watts/inch is a lower gain screen
All other things being equal, a given amount of light output will appear dimmer when it's spread out over more screen area. The same is true if you spread it out over a greater viewing angle (a screen with a narrow viewing angle is considered "high gain" because the light is focused into a tighter area, providing more output in the sweet spot). I'm not saying the 82" will necessarily have insufficient light output, it just seems unlikely that they'd widen the viewing angle on the size that has the least amount of light headroom, considering they all have the same lamp. Besides, it's not like the others have bad viewing angles. Slightly better viewing angles is one of the reasons why I bought the Mits instead of the Samsung. If they thought it needed to be improved, you'd think they'd do it on all sizes.


I'm still interested in the 82" Diamond but if picture quality
is going to be less than I'm interested in their 73". I don't mean to put you on the spot here and you don't have to answer but lets say you just came into 5k would you go for the 2009 73 or 82 Diamond or the next one down in the 73 or 82?
Hmmm, well, price no object, I'd easily take the 82837. But as $$ became more of a factor, I'd take the inches over the features, especially if the viewing distance is going to be greater than 10'. I'm at 10' with a 73", and I think it's a good size, but I definitely wouldn't turn down another 11" if it were given to me. ;) But by around 8' or so, I'd say more than 73" would be overkill, and I'd take the features over the inches. But that's just one man's opinion.

Is the dimound still there top of the line?? i'm a little :confused: with all the new modles.
As far as the lamp based models go, the new 837 seems to be top of the line, but I haven't seen the "Diamond" label applied to it. Perhaps they're now going to reserve that for the Laservue? But the 837 models do seem to directly replace the Diamond 835 models from last year, retaining exclusivity of the Dark Detailer and Perfect Tint. Though the new 737 models did pick up some of the previous Diamond-only features like Smooth120 and Sharp edge.

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As far as the lamp based models go, the new 837 seems to be top of the line, but I haven't seen the "Diamond" label applied to it. Perhaps they're now going to reserve that for the Laservue? But the 837 models do seem to directly replace the Diamond 835 models from last year, retaining exclusivity of the Dark Detailer and Perfect Tint. Though the new 737 models did pick up some of the previous Diamond-only features like Smooth120 and Sharp edge.

Thank you Darin. How is the Laserve Doing??

You'd probably have to ask one of these people (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1108686). :)

warranty(frys) is replacing 65732 purchased in 07 - what would be a good choice for equivalent set? 737 or 837?

Picture quality and brightness are two separate issues.

The Mitsu have plenty of brightness headroom. The 73 incher with low lamp setting, natural mode, and briteness turned down is still plenty brite. I do not think briteness will be an issue with the 82 incher sharing the same lite engine as the 73 incher.

As you move up in size, there is a trade off picture quality. All of the informations is still there, it is just blown up more. Large size starts losing the 'Pop' factor. For instance, for a large screen, the 73 incher has plenty of pop, just not as plenty as the 60 incher.

Depending on how far back you are sitting, there is no getting around that bigger give a more involving theatrical presentation that more than offsets the little loss in pop versus the smaller screen size. Just boils down to priority.

The 73 incher with low lamp setting, natural mode, and briteness turned down is still plenty brite.
I agree. I'm simply saying that taking the same lamp output, add 26% more screen area, AND use an even lower gain screen, plenty won't be so plenty any more. There may be enough headroom to do one or the other (increase area OR widen viewing angles), but both really seems pushing it to me. I'd be surprised if the viewing angle on the 82 is any different from the other sizes.

As you move up in size, there is a trade off picture quality.
It may just be an issue of semantics, but I wouldn't exactly put it that way. Assuming you scale screen size with viewing distance equally, then PQ should be equal. People should be picking the appropriate size for their viewing distance. This (http://s3.carltonbale.com/distance_chart.html) is an excellent reference.

Thanks Darin for the explanation, I appreciate that.

Would anyone know if the WD-73837 has a 6x or 8x color wheel? Does it make a difference?
Thank you

Darwin

Will the new 65" 837 stilkl have Bad angle viewing like other dlps??

john

Just to make sure there are no misunderstandings here, I'm not involved with Mitsubishi, and I'm not even an expert in display technology (nor am I a famous deceased scientist). I'm just an interested user, like most others here. Just wanted to make sure no one was misled. :)

That being said, I don't think even the previous (2008) Mits DLPs have "bad" viewing angles. Perhaps I'm just easily impressed because it's much better than my previous CRT RPTV. It's certainly not as good as plasma in that respect, or even the the best LCDs. But when I'm at my computer desk, I'm off to the side at probably a 40° angle, and it looks perfectly fine. Vertically, it's much narrower, but still better than most RPTVs I've seen. Whether or not the 2009 is any better or worse than the 2008, I'd have to defer to someone who's seen both side by side. But I would expect them to be similar. The 2009 does have a deeper cabinet, which should improve geometry, and they claim the image processing is improved. So I would expect the 2009 to be a slight improvement over the 2008 models, but honestly wouldn't expect drastic improvements this late in DLPs life. Especially considering that Mits is probably going to put most of their effort into Laservue. I'm actually kind of surprised they made as many changes as they did.

Has anyone found out if the 82 inchers have PIP or side by side? I have a 2007 diamond 73833. I only have 1600 hrs on it. It has the ability to watch 2 hd sources side by side. (just not 2 hdmi at the same time) The only time I do not use it is when I am watching a movie on bd. If the 82 inchers do not have split screen I will have to keep the 73833. My last 4 bigscreens have had split.

Just discovered that best buy (magnolia) carry the entire line of new 2009 mitsubishi's. (737's) All except the 82inchers are in stock but are only available for purchase. You can not see these sets. This seemed so silly to me that I went to another store and was told the same thing. Can this be true and do people buy tv's sight unseen? Is this true only here in Calif. or everywhere?

Just discovered that best buy (magnolia) carry the entire line of new 2009 mitsubishi's. (737's) All except the 82inchers are in stock but are only available for purchase. You can not see these sets. This seemed so silly to me that I went to another store and was told the same thing. Can this be true and do people buy tv's sight unseen? Is this true only here in Calif. or everywhere?

I've been watching these tvs lately, and am waiting for a good price on one. I hadn't seen one in person so I was home in Chicago earlier this week and went to best buy to see if I could see one before I bought from an online retailer. The Best Buy I went to had ZERO RPTV's. So, I went to down the road to fry's where the overwhelming amount of tv's were LCD's, off in the darkest corner were some DLP's. They were plugged in but off. I had to turn them on and re adjust the aspect as they were all set to zoom. I thought PQ was fine, It was displaying a co-ax feed, with a questionable HD status (probably not). Brightness was low compared to the LCD's that were being fed 1080p BD. But I felt that it would be suitable in a room that can be moderately light controlled, I wouldn't want this in a room with any more area than a french door sized window. There were some 736 and I think even 735's. Off angle viewing was better on the 737. I'm not the most critical viewer but I will probably be getting one of these, as I'm in grad school and this has the best size:performance:cost ratio. It was 10 minutes of me messing around with the tv's before someone came over. I asked what was being displayed and he says 'a demo feed over coaxial' the demo feed had discovery hd logo in the corner but I'm fairly confident it wasn't.
My thoughts are that RP DLP are great TV's for a select breed. Those that don't need the sun-like brightness of a LCD, those that want lots of screen real estate to work with, those who can afford the foot print in their room, and those who don't want to spend a fortune to have a pretty good picture.
I'll probably be picking up the 65 in Sept, once I get some renters back into the house I own, and once I start my graduate assistantship, which will result in me making 2x as much money, for half as much work :D:D

My Bestbuy/Magnolia has no DLPs and are not planning to have them any longer. I asked about the new Mitsubishi and they said "special orders only" . Nobody knows anything about the Laservue but I think that's because they are not "Diamond" dealer.
Saw the new 65737 and 60737 on Brandsmart next to few plasmas and LCDs. Picture looked soft and very similar to the old 65735. Price/size can't be any better but ,IMO, this is it.

I'll most likely be getting one from Frys. Or check it out and shop it online.

Re the non-shipping (yet) 837s. What do you suppose "NEW ISF™ ccc advanced calibration mode" is all about? The 737 isn't getting that (tho it does have the more user friendly advanced picture menu). Any chance the ISF thingy will be able to counteract the flaws in Dark Detailer (aka iris)? They would have had to get ISF approval to use their name in the marketing, right? Plus, they are claiming improvements for 2009 in all their other marketing buzz word features available on the 737, so perhaps Dark Detailer (837 exclusive) will get some new love too?

The 737 does have a calibration mode. The 837 takes it one more step further in you can have separate calibration mode for day time and night time instead of the global. I think this is what they mean by advanced isf.

I am new to this forum and I need some help deciphering Mitsubishi's model numbers. My 8 year old Mitsu WS 65807 had finally given up the ghost and I would like to replace it with a 65" DLP. I've read through many pages on several threads here and it has helped me somewhat, but I still have some nagging questions.

Is there a decoder ring for Mitsubishi's model numbers? What is the practical difference between the 65837 and the 65737? The price difference between the two on Amazon is nearly $1000 ($2199.00 and $1210.09). Has Mitsubishi dropped the "Diamond" series? What about the other models in this size - 65831, 65835?

Sorry about all the questions, and thank you in advance for your responses. I'm hoping there is a logical naming convention in use that I just don't understand. My theory is that the XX837 is the latest, greatest model for lamped DLP, but I really don't know where to find the differences between models.

I am new to this forum and I need some help deciphering Mitsubishi's model numbers. My 8 year old Mitsu WS 65807 had finally given up the ghost and I would like to replace it with a 65" DLP. I've read through many pages on several threads here and it has helped me somewhat, but I still have some nagging questions.

Is there a decoder ring for Mitsubishi's model numbers? What is the practical difference between the 65837 and the 65737? The price difference between the two on Amazon is nearly $1000 ($2199.00 and $1210.09). Has Mitsubishi dropped the "Diamond" series? What about the other models in this size - 65831, 65835?

Sorry about all the questions, and thank you in advance for your responses. I'm hoping there is a logical naming convention in use that I just don't understand. My theory is that the XX837 is the latest, greatest model for lamped DLP, but I really don't know where to find the differences between models.

The 837s are this years Diamonds and do not differ much from last years diamonds (835). These have an iris which they refer to as "Dark Detailer" which in my opinion is critical for watching movies and programming with dark content. I have the 2007 version (65831) which has the Detailer and compared to a friends new 737, the difference in dark scenes is rather significant.

The 837s are this years Diamonds and do not differ much from last years diamonds (835). These have an iris which they refer to as "Dark Detailer" which in my opinion is critical for watching movies and programming with dark content. I have the 2007 version (65831) which has the Detailer and compared to a friends new 737, the difference in dark scenes is rather significant.

You're the first user who has seen both who I've seen step up and make an unambiguous statement for the worth of Dark Detailer. Thanks for that; it's good to know. I have a 60737, but it is in the family room. Someday, we're going to need to replace the 2004 62725 in the living room, and I've been wondering if Dark Detailer really brings something users would value significantly to the party.

I've heard mixed reviews on Dark Detailer, but the real question is whether it's worth the extra cost to upgrade to 837 from 737. You can pick up the 65-inch 737 for $1400-$1500 while the 65-inch 837 is around $2,000. That's a 33% price increase, which is very significant. It's hard to believe that feature makes even close to a 33% difference in picture quality, and the other extra 837 features I can live without.

But I will gladly return my new 737 and pay the extra money for the 837 if it's really worth it. The problem is there's nowhere to view both models in person. And it doesn't appear that's going to change, with most retail stores only taking special orders on the DLPs, and not stocking them in-store.

ck007,

Thanks for the help understanding the model numbers. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get hands on any of these models yet. I may have to order one online without having the chance to see it up close and personal beforehand. I appreciate your input.

The 837's are just becoming available. I'm going to guess the price premium will narrow somewhat at the street level over time, as there isn't much discounting on 837s yet. But yeah, I would have a hard time forking over an extra grand on the 73" for just that feature (it has other stuff too, of course, but that's the only one that really would drive me to consider it).

Edit: Tho having said the above, I just saw a 73837 for $2,349 --so the discounting is starting. That's still $500 more than a 73737, but not quite as steep a percentage hit on the bigger set.

Any one wanting to find out where to order 82837, send me a PM. Mine will ship, very soon.
George T. Omoregie.

The 837s are this years Diamonds and do not differ much from last years diamonds (835). These have an iris which they refer to as "Dark Detailer" which in my opinion is critical for watching movies and programming with dark content. I have the 2007 version (65831) which has the Detailer and compared to a friends new 737, the difference in dark scenes is rather significant.

HAVE SEEN BOTH 835'S ANS 735'S NEXT TO EACH OTHER PLAYING THE SAME FEED INCLUDING DARK SCENES. (HD OF SOME SORT-SOURCE UNKNOWN) COULD SEE NO VISABLE DIFFERENCE. EVEN HAD THE SALESMAN TURN OFF THE DARK DETAILER ON THE 835.. NO DIFFERENCE. ARE THE DIFFERENCES YOU SEE IN NON HIGH DEF SOURCES? ARE THE DIFFERENCES YOU SEE LESSENED SINCE ADMITEDLY THE TV'S BEING DEMONSTRATED HAD THE CONTRAST AND EVERYTHING ELSE MAXED OUT? hAVE YOU HAD YOUR SET CALIBRATED AND IS THIS THE DIFFERENCE?

i've heard mixed reviews on dark detailer, but the real question is whether it's worth the extra cost to upgrade to 837 from 737. You can pick up the 65-inch 737 for $1400-$1500 while the 65-inch 837 is around $2,000. That's a 33% price increase, which is very significant. It's hard to believe that feature makes even close to a 33% difference in picture quality, and the other extra 837 features i can live without.

But i will gladly return my new 737 and pay the extra money for the 837 if it's really worth it. The problem is there's nowhere to view both models in person. And it doesn't appear that's going to change, with most retail stores only taking special orders on the dlps, and not stocking them in-store.

all paul's tv and ken crane's carry both. If you live in california. (however both are selling out their 735's and 835's and will not display the new ones until the others are sold)

HAVE SEEN BOTH 835'S ANS 735'S NEXT TO EACH OTHER PLAYING THE SAME FEED INCLUDING DARK SCENES. (HD OF SOME SORT-SOURCE UNKNOWN) COULD SEE NO VISABLE DIFFERENCE. EVEN HAD THE SALESMAN TURN OFF THE DARK DETAILER ON THE 835.. NO DIFFERENCE. ARE THE DIFFERENCES YOU SEE IN NON HIGH DEF SOURCES? ARE THE DIFFERENCES YOU SEE LESSENED SINCE ADMITEDLY THE TV'S BEING DEMONSTRATED HAD THE CONTRAST AND EVERYTHING ELSE MAXED OUT? hAVE YOU HAD YOUR SET CALIBRATED AND IS THIS THE DIFFERENCE?

My understanding is that the Dark Detalier cannot be disabled on the 835's. Might you be referring to the Deep Field Imager?

My understanding is that the Dark Detalier cannot be disabled on the 835's. Might you be referring to the Deep Field Imager?

Yes you could be right although whatever it was that I turned off it made no difference. If the dark detailer can't be turned off then I am really concerned about the increased price. Also I recall that there was a real debate about not only the price/increased picture quality issue but also if there was any difference at all. Has this been resolved? What id the general concensus???

HAVE SEEN BOTH 835'S ANS 735'S NEXT TO EACH OTHER PLAYING THE SAME FEED INCLUDING DARK SCENES. (HD OF SOME SORT-SOURCE UNKNOWN) COULD SEE NO VISABLE DIFFERENCE. EVEN HAD THE SALESMAN TURN OFF THE DARK DETAILER ON THE 835.. NO DIFFERENCE. ARE THE DIFFERENCES YOU SEE IN NON HIGH DEF SOURCES? ARE THE DIFFERENCES YOU SEE LESSENED SINCE ADMITEDLY THE TV'S BEING DEMONSTRATED HAD THE CONTRAST AND EVERYTHING ELSE MAXED OUT? hAVE YOU HAD YOUR SET CALIBRATED AND IS THIS THE DIFFERENCE?

My opinion was based upon observing the two different models in night time home viewing environments with the same network HD and blu-ray material.

The difference in contrast and shadow detail was obvious. For the viewing of sporting events, I can not differentiate the two sets.

My opinion was based upon observing the two different models in night time home viewing environments with the same network HD and blu-ray material.

The difference in contrast and shadow detail was obvious. For the viewing of sporting events, I can not differentiate the two sets.

Just received a possible answer as to why I can not see any differences when I go to my local tv store and compare the iris and non-iris sets and why you can not see the difference on sporting events. Thanks to Darin (an forum member) apparantly if one pixel is at it's max brightness then the iris will remain open. Since most sporting events and many camera based videos are "bright" natively the iris would be open and there would be no difference in the sets. (exactly what you said)

Since I watch a lot of standard dvd's and have a player that allows for enhanced brightness, contrast and edge enhancement do you have any "feel" for the ability of the black levels of the non-iris sets to be corrected by these features???

My opinion was based upon observing the two different models in night time home viewing environments with the same network HD and blu-ray material.

The difference in contrast and shadow detail was obvious. For the viewing of sporting events, I can not differentiate the two sets.

ck007,
Thanks again for the info. I am close to pulling the trigger on a 65" DLP, but the model number issue can be very confusing. The price on the 737 is nearly $1000 less than the 837 and I was wondering what the differences are. From you message, I guess the answer is not much (just the dark detailer?). So do both of these models look identical from a cosmetic standpoint? No changes to the exterior from '08 to '09? Thanks again.

Just received a possible answer as to why I can not see any differences when I go to my local tv store and compare the iris and non-iris sets and why you can not see the difference on sporting events. Thanks to Darin (an forum member) apparantly if one pixel is at it's max brightness then the iris will remain open. Since most sporting events and many camera based videos are "bright" natively the iris would be open and there would be no difference in the sets. (exactly what you said)

Since I watch a lot of standard dvd's and have a player that allows for enhanced brightness, contrast and edge enhancement do you have any "feel" for the ability of the black levels of the non-iris sets to be corrected by these features???

We adjusted my friend's 737 by way of the sets user menu and his DVD player adjustments and the contrast and black level simply could not rival my Mits with the iris. That being said, the picture is still outstanding and very watchable and may not have been an issue had I not been the owner of an iris model set.

ck007,

Do you know if Dark Detailer is still active in "Game" mode?

If not, my next question doesn't apply.

If so, do you think it adds any lag?

I have been wrong, or slightly confused about how DD works... because I thought it was a black-level enhancer that you switched ON or OFF, but after reading more of your posts (and others) I've learned it's NOT just a switch or setting, but an integral part of the TV that is always ON. Is that correct?

ck007,

Do you know if Dark Detailer is still active in "Game" mode?

If not, my next question doesn't apply.

If so, do you think it adds any lag?

I have been wrong, or slightly confused about how DD works... because I thought it was a black-level enhancer that you switched ON or OFF, but after reading more of your posts (and others) I've learned it's NOT just a switch or setting, but an integral part of the TV that is always ON. Is that correct?

Sorry......I do not.

so CK007, from what you're saying, the 837 models have superior PQ over the 737's in the whole contrast and dark scene stuff? better shades of the spectrum so to speak in picture detail? i was thinking of the 737 since it's affordable but of course i'd be coming from a 1st gen mitsubishi dlp so i know the jump in quality will be quite noticeable aside from the ridiculous sparkly type screen. they should've stuck with the crystal clear screen. that would be awesome and then it would match up more with the lcd's and such.