STAR TREK: ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE COLLECTION BLU-RAY
[May 12 - $104.99]

The ‘Original Motion Picture’ Blu-ray collection includes the first six “Star Trek” films, which have been digitally remastered in high definition. All the new Blu-ray transfers are based on the original theatrical releases. With the exception of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, the previously released first DVD versions of each film were the ‘theatrical versions’ followed by a second ’special edition’. And in the case of Star Trek: The Motion Picture, there was only a single ‘Directors’ version released on DVD. Special care has been given to the Blu-ray version of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, which has been ‘fully restored’ in a process similar to Paramount’s recent Blu-ray edition of The Godfather. Director Nicholas Meyer tells us that the Wrath of Khan negative "was in terrible shape" which is why it needed extensive restoration. All six films have new 7.1 Dolby TrueHD audio.

Each film has a brand new commentary track from noted experts and Star Trek fans, in addition to commentaries from the previous release (except for TMP, which only has the new commentary). The set has a total of over 14 hours of special features, including 2 ½ hours of all-new material. Each film has a number of brand new special featurettes in HD, plus a ‘Library Computer’ function (Blu-ray’s Java function for additional pop-up trivia and information), and a ‘Star Trek IQ’ link to BD-Live. The new set contains almost all the extra features from the previous 2-disk special DVD editions of each film, except for the Okuda text commentaries (which are likely superseded by the new ‘Library Computer’ feature). There are also three special features on the Star Trek: The Motion Picture Director’s Edition DVD, that aren’t in the new set (but maybe those will be in a possible future Blu-ray TMP Director’s Edition).

The collection also includes a bonus disc entitled “Star Trek: The Captains’ Summit” that features a 70-minute exclusive round table discussion hosted by Whoopi Goldberg in which William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Frakes share candid moments and intimate details about life on the set.

The STAR TREK: ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE COLLECTION Blu-ray discs are presented in 1080p high definition with English 7.1 Dolby TrueHD, French and Spanish audio and English, English SDH, French, Spanish & Portuguese subtitles.

The following details the special features on each disc:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture

Commentary by Michael & Denise Okuda, Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Daren Dochterman (New)
The Longest Trek: Writing the Motion Picture (New- HD)
Special Star Trek Reunion (New- HD)
Starfleet Academy: Mystery Behind V’ger (New- HD)
Library Computer (New - BD Exclusive)
BD Live: Star Trek I.Q. (New)
Deleted Scenes
Storyboards
Trailers (HD) & TV Spots
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Commentary by director Nicholas Meyer
Commentary by director Nicholas Meyer and Manny Coto (New)
James Horner: Composing Genesis (New- HD)
A Tribute to Ricardo Montalban (New- HD)
Collecting Star Trek’s Movie Relics (New- HD)
Starfleet Academy: Mystery Behind Ceti Alpha VI (New- HD)
Library Computer (New BD Exclusive)
BD Live: Star Trek I.Q. (New)
Captain’s Log
Designing Khan
Original interviews with DeForest Kelley, William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy and Ricardo Montalban
Where No Man Has Gone Before: The Visual Effects of Star Trek I: The Wrath of Khan
The Star Trek Universe: A Novel Approach
Storyboards
Theatrical trailer (HD)
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

Commentary by director Leonard Nimoy, writer/producer
Harve Bennett, director of photography Charles Correll and Robin Curtis
Commentary by Ronald D. Moore and Michael Taylor (New)
Industrial Light & Magic: The Visual Effects of Star Trek (New- HD)
Spock: The Early Years (New- HD)
Star Trek and the Science Fiction Museum Hall of Fame (New- HD)
Library Computer (New - BD Exclusive)
BD Live: Star Trek I.Q. (New)
Captain’s Log
Terraforming and the Prime Directive
Space Docks and Birds of Prey
Speaking Klingon
Klingon and Vulcan Costumes
Starfleet Academy: Mystery Behind the Vulcan Katra Transfer
Photo Galleries
Storyboards
Theatrical Trailer (HD)
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Commentary by William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy
Commentary by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman (New)
Pavel Chekov’s Screen Moments (New- HD)
The Three-Picture Saga (New- HD)
Star Trek for a Cause (New- HD)
Starfleet Academy: The Whale Probe (New- HD)
Library Computer (New - BD Exclusive)
BD Live: Star Trek I.Q. (New)
Future’s Past: A Look Back
On Location
Dailies Deconstruction
Below-the-Line: Sound Design
Time Travel: The Art of the Possible
The Language of Whales
A Vulcan Primer
Kirk’s Women
From Outer Space to the Ocean
The Bird of Prey
Original interviews with Leonard Nimoy, William Shatner and DeForest Kelley
Roddenberry Scrapbook
Featured Artist: Mark Lenard
Production Gallery
Storyboards
Theatrical Trailer (HD)
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

Commentary by William Shatner and Liz Shatner
Commentary by Michael & Denise Okuda and Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens and Daren Dochterman (New)
Star Trek Honors NASA (New- HD)
Hollywood Walk of Fame: James Doohan (New- HD)
Starfleet Academy: Nimbus III (New- HD)
Library Computer (New - BD Exclusive)
BD Live: Star Trek I.Q. (New)
Harve Bennett’s Pitch to the Sales Team
The Journey: A Behind-the-Scenes Documentary
Makeup Tests
Pre-Visualization Models
Rockman in the Raw
Star Trek V press conference
Herman Zimmerman: A Tribute
Original Interview: William Shatner
Cosmic Thoughts
That Klingon Couple
A Green Future?
Deleted Scenes
Production Gallery
Storyboards
Theatrical Trailers (HD)
TV Spots
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country

Commentary by director Nicholas Meyer and screenwriter
Denny Martin Flinn
Commentary by Larry Nemecek and Ira Steven Behr (New)
Tom Morga: Alien Stuntman (New- HD)
To Be Or Not To Be: Klingons and Shakespeare (New- HD)
Starfleet Academy: Praxis (New- HD)
Library Computer (New - BD Exclusive)
BD Live: Star Trek I.Q. (New)
The Perils of Peacemaking
Stories from Star Trek VI:
It Started with a Story
Prejudice
Director Nicholas Meyer
Shakespeare & General Chang
Bring it to Life
Farewell & Goodbye
Conversations with Nicholas Meyer
Klingons: Conjuring the Legend
Federation Operatives
Penny’s Toy Box
Together Again
DeForest Kelley: A Tribute
Original cast interviews
Production Gallery
Storyboards
1991 Convention Presentation by Nicholas Meyer
Trailers (HD)
Bonus Disc:

Star Trek: The Captains’ Summit (New - HD)
Packaging:
Amaray “thin packs” with a slipcase.

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STAR TREK: MOTION PICTURE TRILOGY BLU-RAY & DVD
[May 12 - BD: $48.99, DVD: $28.99]

In addition to the set of all six Original Series crew films (above), Paramount is packing the three ‘Genesis’ movies together in a lower-priced set on both Blu-ray and DVD. The set includes Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock and Star Trek: IV: The Voyage Home. Both versions will have most of the new special features from the six-movie set, including the new commentaries, but none of the ported over special features from the previous DVD special editions.

The STAR TREK: MOTION PICTURE TRILOGY Blu-ray discs are presented in 1080p high definition with English 7.1 Dolby TrueHD, French 2.0 Dolby Surround and Spanish Mono and English, English SDH, French, Spanish & Portuguese subtitles. The DVD collection is presented in widescreen enhanced for 16:9 televisions with Dolby Digital English 5.1 Surround EX, French 2.0 Dolby Surround, Spanish Mono and Portuguese Mono and English, French, Spanish and Portuguese subtitles.

The special features on both sets are essentially the new commentaries and featurettes for the six-disk set above. All featurettes will be in HD on the Blu-ray set.

They are as follows:

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

Commentary by director Nicholas Meyer and Manny Coto
James Horner: Composing Genesis
Collecting Star Trek’s Movie Relics
A Tribute to Ricardo Montalban
Starfleet Academy: Mystery Behind Ceti Alpha VI
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

Commentary by Ronald D. Moore and Michael Taylor
Industrial Light & Magic: The Visual Effects of Star Trek
Spock: The Early Years
Star Trek and the Science Fiction Museum Hall of Fame
Starfleet Academy: Mystery Behind the Vulcan Katra Transfer
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Commentary by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman
Pavel Chekov’s Screen Moments
The Three-Picture Saga
Star Trek for a Cause
Starfleet Academy: The Whale Probe
Packaging:
Amaray “thin packs” with a slipcase.

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But wait, there's more!

These sets are just the Spring releases that Paramount and CBS are officially announcing, however TrekMovie and Digital Bits sources have confirmed additional titles for 2009. In the Fall, Paramount will obviously be releasing the 2009 JJ Abrams Star Trek movie on Blu-ray and DVD. Paramount is also planning a Fall release of a four-movie Next Generation movie box set with Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis, complete with new bonus features. CBS is also readying seasons 2 and 3 of The Original Series for Blu-ray for the Fall as well.

In addition to the Next Gen movie set and the rest of the TOS series on Blu-ray, there are also some ‘maybes.’ There may be a ten-movie Blu-ray box set combining all the ten previous feature Star Trek films, or possibly an eleven-film set which would include the 2009 Star Trek movie as well. CBS may release two more TV episode collection DVD sets: a ‘best of TOS’ and a best of TNG,’ although those may be Europe only.

$104 list price for all six movies is very good. I guess the economy probably factors into that. I'm thinking $70 street price?

Featuring Kirk and Spock? I want it anyway. :)

What's going to be the deal with the first Star Trek movie? Is it going to be the theatrical release with the unfinished special effects? Or a hybrid theatrical release with the finished and "touched up" effects shots?

T.B.

What's going to be the deal with the first Star Trek movie? Is it going to be the theatrical release with the unfinished special effects? Or a hybrid theatrical release with the finished and "touched up" effects shots?

T.B.

Sadly it´s the theatrical version only since the added FX shots was rendered in standard definition only :(

Sweeeeeet! I have been waiting for this since the beginning days of HD DVD!

Sadly it´s the theatrical version only since the added FX shots was rendered in standard definition only :(That sucks that didn't stop Firefly from upscaling its SD resolution vfx.

Here's to hoping that they will release a director's cut of TMP on blu-ray in the future. Theatrical cuts of II and VI are very welcome, though.

this is one of the sets i've been waiting for!

YIPPEEEEE!!!

two other sets i wanna see/have in HD before i die are

star wars 6 pack
aliens quadrilogy (6 pack ? with a/vs/p #1 & #2)

Can anyone summarize the differences in theatrical vs. director cuts for the films that have a director's cut? I've seen all the movies before and plan on buying the BD set but I want to know ahead of time what differences I could expect with a DC.

Very disappointing news so its just theatrical cuts for the original and 2 and 6.

I prefer the directors cuts of all of them so i won't buy this and will wait for the inevitable double dip which may happen in a little over two years time when the next movie comes out. They had plenty of time to do this release justice and to me they could have included both cuts using seamless branching and the fact they didn't suggests a double dip in the future and Paramount are just trying to cash in instead of treating the fans with proper respect. I have patience and can wait.

If this isn't treating fans with "respect", then I can't wait to see what the "proper" releases will be like...

I'm so excited about this news. The SE DVDs are showing their age, and to hear that the movies have been restored and remastered is just fantastic, as is the news that most of the existing extras have been kept. Add in some new extras for each movie, and I'm a very happy bunny right now.

and to hear that the movies have been restored and remastered is just fantastic

Unless I missed it, only TWoK was restored. I can't wait two years for the double dip so I will be buying this and then the double dip in the future. Just glad to have the movies out on BD.

I'm very happy as well.

For one thing, the theatrical cut of TMP hasn't been available since the laserdisc, so I'll be glad to finally have it on a digital format.

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!

Will they be released separately? I have no need for 1 or 5. Actually I can live with the SD editions of the films and really only want Wrath in HD.

And the theatrical cut of ST6 has never been available on any home video format.
True. One nice thing about having the theatrical cut on BD is that it won't have the terrible flashback cutaways in the Spock/Valeris mind meld that Meyer added for the two-disc edition.

I just busted a nut. Day one purchase. Boy, they better do these films justice...

Plus, the first season hitting BD with seamless branching so you can choose original or remastered effects? That's a double nut bust.

Huh, I've never seen the theatrical cuts of I, II and VI. It bothers me that Paramount is setting up the obvious double dip when they could easily include the footage via seamless branching.

Are there any sites that detail the differences between the TCs and DCs for those movies?

Will they be released separately? I have no need for 1 or 5. Actually I can live with the SD editions of the films and really only want Wrath in HD.

I wouldn't complain. This is actually a great price considering that it's Paramount and Trek. 105 bucks is actually a very reasonable price for the first 6 Trek films on BD (remember that the first season of TOS on HD-DVD was $220.00!). 4 of the films individually would probably cost at least what the 6 film set is costing.

Ugggh. I HATED that change. I've never actually seen the theatrical cut but from reading the changes it seems like a lot of important plot details were missing. And its too bad we will probably never see the original extended version on blu-ray but only that abomination from the last DVD version.
Agreed.

Also it will be interesting to see what the aspect ratio is. The current widescreen versions have been opened up to 2:1.
Yeah, I just mentioned that over at Blu-ray.com. It would be nice if they went back to the 2.35:1 theatrical framing.

"Wrath of Khan" rules. I'm not even a big "Trek" fan, per se... but that's just a great film. Very glad it's the theatrical version, too!

In my opinion, it's the best film about "submarine warfare" ever made! (My apologies to DAS BOOT)

Are there any sites that detail the differences between the TCs and DCs for those movies?

If you go to the IMDB and look under the "alternate versions" sections for those movies, there are extensive lists of the changes made.

Yeah, I just mentioned that over at Blu-ray.com. It would be nice if they went back to the 2.35:1 theatrical framing.

Something to keep in mind is that the film was shot in Super 35 and released theatrically in 70mm. I actually have a few frames from a 70mm print, and have compared them to the DVD. While the 70mm print definitely shows less on the top and bottom than DVD, it is not matted down to 2.35:1.

In other words, assuming that the 70mm print is considered to be the definitive version, I would say that the original aspect ratio is actually 2.2:1.

That being said, it's been established that the DVD was opened up with Meyer's approval. However, if they're going to be releasing theatrical cuts, they might as well go all the way, and make the ratio 2.2:1.

Following this line of thinking, I hope that the "II" is missing from THE WRATH OF KHAN's title.

And how come they don't have the original sound mixes?

I'm really upset that the director's cuts are not included, and I'd like to know what Meyer thinks about that.

The one thing I am looking forward to are the new commentaries. In particular, II, III, IV, and VI should be fascinating.

I hope they sell them individually, I only care for The Motion Picture and maybe The Voyage Home

Too bad it's not the DC for the first film, but I can live with the rest. Day one purchase here too, can't wait!

Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!

+1

I just came back from a camping trip which featured 5 days of this quote.

Finally!
This is awesome news!

As soon as Amazon puts up a pre-release page for the full 6 movie set I'll be all over this.

I just checked and it's not up just yet.

I am actually happy in is not the DC for the TMP as I prefer the original release vs the DC and usually I like DC's. However it would of been better to have the choice of both on the one disc.

I am actually happy in is not the DC for the TMP as I prefer the original release vs the DC and usually I like DC's. However it would of been better to have the choice of both on the one disc.
Especially for II and VI.

especially for ii and vi.

khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!

wow :eek: 7.1 thrue hd!! Lucky me for owning a 7.1 dedicated room... :)

also, i own all dc on uk dvd. So yeah the sixpack will be mine... :cool:

Has Paramount ever released a BD with seamless branching?

Want it. Give it to me. Give it to me now and no one gets hurt.....

Seggers

Kind of disappointed by some of Paramount's decisions on this set, especially in regard to ST:TMP. Robert Wise had often said he was unhappy with the original release and that his director's cut is the version he would have released back in 1979 if he had had the time. In addition to better pacing and some more character moments, the DC also cleaned up some of the effects (like the model support pylon being clearly visible as the Enterprise leaves drydock). I know the new CGI effects were only rendered at 720x480 but if this is supposed to be a serious restoration project then spend the money and have them re-rendered at 1920x1080 as its common knowledge that the original elements still exist.

Likewise, the additional character moments in the extended version of STII:TWOK made for a more enjoyable film (the argument between Dr. McCoy and Spock about the implications of Geneis was right out of the old show). That film could also use some clean-up of the effects and there was some pretty bad compositing. In the shot where Reliant is approaching Ceti Alpha V for the first time, the ship is actually transparent and you can actually make out the planet behind it.

I'm tired of Paramount nickel and diming its fans on these releases - always holding stuff back in the hopes of making more money with another release somewhere down the road. I'll be passing on these; if Paramount gets it right and releases the definitive versions of the movies on BluRay at a later date, I may give those a look. Given BluRay's extra space and seamless branching technology there's no reason we couldn't have had both versions on the same disc.

awesome..... i cant wait

Kind of disappointed by some of Paramount's decisions on this set, especially in regard to ST:TMP. Robert Wise had often said he was unhappy with the original release and that his director's cut is the version he would have released back in 1979 if he had had the time. In addition to better pacing and some more character moments, the DC also cleaned up some of the effects (like the model support pylon being clearly visible as the Enterprise leaves drydock). I know the new CGI effects were only rendered at 720x480 but if this is supposed to be a serious restoration project then spend the money and have them re-rendered at 1920x1080 as its common knowledge that the original elements still exist.

Likewise, the additional character moments in the extended version of STII:TWOK made for a more enjoyable film (the argument between Dr. McCoy and Spock about the implications of Geneis was right out of the old show). That film could also use some clean-up of the effects and there was some pretty bad compositing. In the shot where Reliant is approaching Ceti Alpha V for the first time, the ship is actually transparent and you can actually make out the planet behind it.

I'm tired of Paramount nickel and diming its fans on these releases - always holding stuff back in the hopes of making more money with another release somewhere down the road. I'll be passing on these; if Paramount gets it right and releases the definitive versions of the movies on BluRay at a later date, I may give those a look. Given BluRay's extra space and seamless branching technology there's no reason we couldn't have had both versions on the same disc.

You do have a good point! However i'm in the camp that never had these on VHS or DVD, sure i rented the VHS tapes but never viewed them again since, so this fingers crossed will be mind blowingley sweeeet :) (Fingers crossed they have not gone and EE/DNR'ed the crap out of them).

Kind of disappointed by some of Paramount's decisions on this set, especially in regard to ST:TMP. Robert Wise had often said he was unhappy with the original release and that his director's cut is the version he would have released back in 1979 if he had had the time. In addition to better pacing and some more character moments, the DC also cleaned up some of the effects (like the model support pylon being clearly visible as the Enterprise leaves drydock). I know the new CGI effects were only rendered at 720x480 but if this is supposed to be a serious restoration project then spend the money and have them re-rendered at 1920x1080 as its common knowledge that the original elements still exist.

Likewise, the additional character moments in the extended version of STII:TWOK made for a more enjoyable film (the argument between Dr. McCoy and Spock about the implications of Geneis was right out of the old show). That film could also use some clean-up of the effects and there was some pretty bad compositing. In the shot where Reliant is approaching Ceti Alpha V for the first time, the ship is actually transparent and you can actually make out the planet behind it.

I'm tired of Paramount nickel and diming its fans on these releases - always holding stuff back in the hopes of making more money with another release somewhere down the road. I'll be passing on these; if Paramount gets it right and releases the definitive versions of the movies on BluRay at a later date, I may give those a look. Given BluRay's extra space and seamless branching technology there's no reason we couldn't have had both versions on the same disc.

Exactly and well said.

As someone who has owned the VHS widescreens and still owns the collectors set on DVD i can wait until such time they release the versions i want to see. In the meantime this release looks like it will keep a number of people happy - Just not me.

If i had never owned any home versions before i would be all over these but since i do and since the editions i own have more of what i want albeit in SD then i won't re-buy just because it's HD or has 7.1 audio - I'm done with double dipping now HD is here and will always wait if the release of any film is not what i expected and in this case it isn't.

To put it another way i just can't afford to repeatedly justify spending money on something and then a year or two later the ultimate editions with both cuts of the film and more extra's is released. Now in certain cases you take a chance that it won't happen but in this case i have learned from DVD and know it will because we know extended directors cuts exist therefore i'm going to wait. It just makes more sense to me to wait because i can spend the money on something else and then be very happy when the ultimate collectors editions are released. Of course if you are happy with just the theatrical releases and you disliked the extended editions or felt they added nothing to the story then i can see your point in buying this set now.

Of course with regards to my above post the release of the collectors editions depends on all you guys buying this release so go for it :)

In other words, assuming that the 70mm print is considered to be the definitive version, I would say that the original aspect ratio is actually 2.2:1.

I don't see why we should assume that at all. Why, because 70mm is bigger than 35mm? In cases like this, we should drop the assumption that there's a single original aspect ratio and accept there are multiple original aspect ratios that are equally legit. The one thing that's clear is the aspect ratio used on the DVD is not an original aspect ratio. As long as the movies use the aspect ratios from the 70mm or 35mm theatrical release, I'd be satisfied.

And I for one am pleased Paramount is releasing the theatrical cuts. I'm not interested in revisionist movies and I think the idea that a reworked movie is the "original" movie because it's the movie that the director would have released if, in the best of all possible worlds, he had more money/technology/time is incoherent. It's nothing more than Monday morning quarterbacking. It leads to silliness like the Star Wars revisions, which Lucas says reflects his "original" artistic intent because they incorporate special effect technology that wasn't developed until 25 years after the movies were made. That perverts the word "original" until it loses all meaning.

"Original" is a historic and temporal idea: what was released at the time, warts and all. Many artists will never feel that a work is finished or fully reflects their artistic intent, which is why one has to pick a point at which a work is declared "finished." In almost all artistic fields, that point is when the work is published or distributed. After that, any subsequent changes are revisions. I have no problem if people prefer the revised Star Trek movies to the originals but let's call a spade a spade and call them what they are: revisions. I firmly oppose the suggestion that the revisions should supplant or be considered more artistically authentic than the original. I am happy to have access to these movies in the form that they were originally created, approved and released by the creative team.

I'm really torn on this collection. It looks like a really great set - hell, even the packaging looks nice. I only own II and VI at this time, so it'd be nice to pick up the whole collection in HD... and I really don't feel like waiting three years to get the proper editions... Gah. Paramount sucks sometimes. Seamless branching for the Director's Cuts would make this collection perfect, as far as I'm concerned.

Well I'm not waiting another couple of years with a supposed double-dip. This is mine when released in May. Finally in HD.

I firmly oppose the suggestion that the revisions should supplant or be considered more artistically authentic than the original. I am happy to have access to these movies in the form that they were originally created, approved and released by the creative team.

Does that include when a movie is butchered in order to make a certain film raiting?

Anyone just going to get the "Trilogy" release? Seams weird they would just release II, III, and IV in their own box set. They have far less features too. They could have just offered them individually and put the effort into other releases, like the Next Gen movies!

Anyone just going to get the "Trilogy" release? Seams weird they would just release II, III, and IV in their own box set. They form a consistent storyline across all three (although you could technically argue it's more like the last 1/3rd of Khan through the first 1/3rd of Voyage). All the others have what are essentially self-contained storylines.
They have far less features too. They could have just offered them individually and put the effort into other releases, like the Next Gen movies!Did you not notice where they said they're working on most or all of TNG films? From a promotional standpoint, Paramount would be idiots to blow their entire wad on a Spring release when they're guaranteed to have a tie-in to the new film in the Fall as well. Truth be told, I'm even surprised--but pleasantly so!--that they're releasing this much.

Paramount sucks sometimes. Seamless branching for the Director's Cuts would make this collection perfect, as far as I'm concerned.

It's how it is -- any chance they have of making consumers buy a title once, twice, three times -- ESPECIALLY when it comes to the history of Trek TV shows and movies on VHS and laserdisc to DVD and now Blu -- they'll do it.

It's how it is -- any chance they have of making consumers buy a title once, twice, three times -- ESPECIALLY when it comes to the history of Trek TV shows and movies on VHS and laserdisc to DVD and now Blu -- they'll do it.
Yeah, I know. I just don't want to have to wait another two or three years since everything is already out there on DVD.

At least the TOS releases seem to be definitive. With both the original and the new special effects all remastered in 1080p with seamless branching and HD sound I don't think there's anything you could double dip on with those.

I don't see why we should assume that at all. Why, because 70mm is bigger than 35mm?

In a way, yes. There must have been a reason why they released the movie in 70mm. Certainly it was considered to be the best way to see the movie. I think it's very similar to what the DARK KNIGHT Imax release was like.

In cases like this, we should drop the assumption that there's a single original aspect ratio and accept there are multiple original aspect ratios that are equally legit.

I see what you're saying. I guess I should have said "original definitive aspect ratio," which I think can and does exist.

My point is that if they are intent on making an absolute perfect representation of how these movies were originally presented to the public, they should make it 2.2:1.

But I'm guessing that they don't care about that, and it'll be 2:1. They've already proven that they have no interest in presenting the movies as they originally sounded.

I think the real reason for the release of these theatrical cuts is that they're covering up the fact that they're too cheap to fix the first movie. It's like they're saying, "Yeah, we could fix that first movie, but why would we want to? We're kickin' it old school!" I'm willing to bet anything that if that first movie existed in HD, we'd be seeing all three director's cuts in this release.

In a way, yes. There must have been a reason why they released the movie in 70mm. Certainly it was considered to be the best way to see the movie. I think it's very similar to what the DARK KNIGHT Imax release was like.





The film was shot 35mm - In the eighties it was common practice to blowup the print to 70mm and then show it at selected cinemas - Since the digital age and digital intermediates 70mm blowups have become far less common.

So c'mon guys forget the 70mm aspect the real reason you have seen it presented 2.0:1 is because it was the only Trek movie shot Super 35 which meant they opened the frame up for the home versions.

Thanks for posting OP. I am going to pickup the 6 movie boxset. The MSRP on this set appears to be an excellent value if you apply the typical 30% off Amazon discount.

I am not a hardcore Star Trek fan so I am fine without the extended and directors cuts.

They had me at 7.1.

Paramount has overpriced their Trek releases in the past, and I am pleasantly surprised that we will be getting the first six film for less than Universal charged for the Bourne trilogy. This is probably half the price I was expecting from them.

I'm going to go ahead and bite on this set. While it would be nice to have the "director's cut" of these films, I'm pretty happy with what we are getting. I will not buy the super duper edition down the road if it's ever released.

The film was shot 35mm - In the eighties it was common practice to blowup the print to 70mm and then show it at selected cinemas - Since the digital age and digital intermediates 70mm blowups have become far less common.

So c'mon guys forget the 70mm aspect the real reason you have seen it presented 2.0:1 is because it was the only Trek movie shot Super 35 which meant they opened the frame up for the home versions.

+1 I certainly didn't see it in 70mm as a kid.

They had me at 7.1.

Paramount has overpriced their Trek releases in the past, and I am pleasantly surprised that we will be getting the first six film for less than Universal charged for the Bourne trilogy. This is probably half the price I was expecting from them.
That's a big one for me as well. If this were priced the way that I would expect Paramount to price it, I'd give the whole set a pass without even thinking about it. Now, I'm seriously considering it.

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Hmm. So if the MSRP for the six-pack is $104.99 (right there with you, Deviation--someone must have knocked someone out at Paramount to get that pricetag through), then we may get some preorders down to, what, the $70 range if we're very lucky?

The film was shot 35mm - In the eighties it was common practice to blowup the print to 70mm and then show it at selected cinemas - Since the digital age and digital intermediates 70mm blowups have become far less common.

So c'mon guys forget the 70mm aspect the real reason you have seen it presented 2.0:1 is because it was the only Trek movie shot Super 35 which meant they opened the frame up for the home versions.

Are you saying that it should be in its 35mm ratio because it was shot in 35mm? If so, I'd have to disagree, since there was probably more post-production processing that went into the creation of the 35mm prints than the 70mm prints. And even that doesn't matter. If they wanted the 70mm prints to be in 2.35:1, they would have matted them down to that ratio.

The 2:1 ratio doesn't have anything to do with the 70mm ratio, aside from the fact that they are both not 2.35:1 for the reason you stated.

I still maintain that from an absolute purist's point of view, if you're going to choose one ratio that is representative of how this movie was originally seen in theaters under absolute perfect conditions, it should be 2.2:1.

But the matter is now irrelevant, since The Digital Bits is reporting that it'll have a new 2.35:1 transfer approved by Meyer himself.

So with this and the info of KHAN's restoration, it certainly appears that Meyer is talking to someone on the internet about this project. I really hope someone asks him what he thinks about the theatrical cuts being used for this release.

Got them on laserdisc, but skipped the DVD's. This is high on my want list.

I've got the theatrical cuts on laserdisc (except for VI), which makes me hesitant to buy this. (I'm a sucker I'll get it.)

I still maintain that from an absolute purist's point of view, if you're going to choose one ratio that is representative of how this movie was originally seen in theaters under absolute perfect conditions, it should be 2.2:1.

The movie should be presented the way it was composed in-camera with whichever ground glass framing they had in the viewfinder. As I understand it, the movie was shot in the Super35 format with the intention of a 2.35:1 aspect ratio in theaters on Scope prints. The 70mm was just a special engagement. The reason they went with 2.20:1 on 70mm was because they had the ability to open the matting up a little, so they made use of all the emulsion space they had available. But that does not represent the original intentions of the filmmakers. You can see the intentions of the filmmakers on the DVD Special Features of Star Trek VI... and that is 2.35:1:

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Oh man this is great! Can't wait. I almost never care for "director's cuts" of movies anyway.

And the announcement of the TOS season 2,3 on Blu Ray is great! I actually bought 2 copies of season one on HD-DVD in case they never came to Blu Ray. I've been going over to a pal's house (he has a projector) and we've been going through the season 1 HD DVDs (I'm going there for more Star Trekking tonight as it happens).

Also, I've always loved the first movie for it's stupendous score by Goldsmith and it's slow, thoughtful pace and epic vision.

I'm very excited about this, but I'll be picky about which ones I buy. The Director's Editions of I and II are far superior to their theatrical cuts, so I'll be skipping those. There's a rumour Shatner wants a special edition of V done with better effects, so I'll wait for that one too. The director's cut of VI is poor, and I'll happily buy the theatrical version just so I don't have to endure the Scooby-Doo ending again :)

With the Original Series also coming to Blu-ray, Paramount will be taking alot of my money this year :) Bring on the TNG movies later in the year (well, First Contact anyway)!

I'm very excited about this, but I'll be picky about which ones I buy.

These are box sets, I-VI and II-IV.

Anyone just going to get the "Trilogy" release? Seams weird they would just release II, III, and IV in their own box set. They have far less features too.

I noticed this too; the original posts in this thread seem to say that the Blu-ray discs in the trilogy pack have fewer special features than in the complete set. However, this is not the case. The writeup on the Digital Bits clears it up: those reduced special features are for the DVD trilogy box, not the Blu-ray trilogy set. The Blu-ray trilogy set will have exactly the same special features as the Blu-ray complete set.

These are box sets, I-VI and II-IV.

I know, but I've heard it's likely they'll be available individually. I'll get them on eBay, if necessary.

Are you saying that it should be in its 35mm ratio because it was shot in 35mm? If so, I'd have to disagree, since there was probably more post-production processing that went into the creation of the 35mm prints than the 70mm prints. And even that doesn't matter. If they wanted the 70mm prints to be in 2.35:1, they would have matted them down to that ratio.

The 2:1 ratio doesn't have anything to do with the 70mm ratio, aside from the fact that they are both not 2.35:1 for the reason you stated.



Its uncommon for 70mm prints to be shown at 2.35:1. Many films from the eighties which were shot in 35mm were then blownup to 70mm and indeed check out your Blade Runner 5 disc set and you will find the workprint presented in 2.20:1 as that is the aspect ratio of the 70mm versions. Check out Greystoke though below for info on a film which did use the full frame. Star Trek 6 did not for its 70mm showing.

The reason many films got a blowup release in 70mm was for the magnetic soundtrack which was superior to the Dolby four channel releases of the time. Since digital sound is now common practice and places to show 70mm have dwindled it's much less common and indeed unusual for films to get the 70mm blowup treatment. Obviously there was also resolution benefits on many releases too.

The point i made regarding the 2.0:1 ratio is that the director chose it and opened up the mattes top and bottom....Nothing was lost at the sides of the frame. Now this has absolutely nothing to do with the 70mm blowup prints. Perhaps my original post should have clarified that as i was talking about the fact it was shot Super 35.

The film was shot 35mm and thats it....I don't see where 70mm even fits into this thread talking about this release since it wasn't shot that way.

Incidentally Dolby did some testing of their Dolby Digital format on Star Trek 6 and stems using the new digital 5.1 soundtrack were recorded in that format although obviously never made it to any cinema showing.

Taken from the excellent site 70mm.

Super 35 to 70mm

An opportunity to fill the complete frame of a 70mm print from 35mm spherical non-anamorphic negatives without increasing the magnification or spoiling the original composition came about with the introduction of what would become known as the Super 35 format.

In the mid-1980s, Hugh Hudson wished to film his “Greystoke: Legend of Tarzan” in the 2.35:1 format. However, his DOP [director of photography], the late John Alcott, didn’t like using anamorphic lenses, so Technicolor suggested reviving the idea of photographing a normal spherical image across the fill width between the perforations on 35mm film, including the area usually left blank for the soundtrack during the contact printing of the release prints. This larger full-frame image is composed to allow a portion in the 2.35:1 aspect ratio to be enlarged and squeezed using an optical printer to produce a standard anamorphic print. As with “Greystoke”, a 70mm print can also be made using a little more height of the negative’s image.

70mm releases declined rapidly into the 1990s and received what looked like the fatal blow when the magnetic striping process was declared a threat to the planet and effectively banded. Once on the print there is no danger, but the stripes are applied in the form of a paste and this “magnetic liquor” contains solvents and other eco-unfriendly chemicals. I knew something was up when at the other end of the gauge scale, Kodak withdrew their pre-striped stock I used in my direct recording Super-8 camera. The last 70mm prints striped by Technicolor in London were of Kenneth Branagh’s “Hamlet”. I think the few labs still offering a striping service were glad to see it go. In this digital age, it was a relatively low-tech messy business. It sometimes went awry and has to be washed off to have another try. Once successfully applied, the stripes had to be recorded and checked with any dropouts meaning that the faulty channel had to be rerecorded. All this increased the delivery time and added to the high cost of a 70mm print up to three quarters of which was just adding the sound.

http://www.in70mm.com/news/2007/70mm_blow_up/index.htm

List of blowups in 1991.

http://www.in70mm.com/library/blow_up/year/1991.htm

Note Backdraft on the list which was another Super 35 release which had its frames opened up to about 2.0:1 for home releases although its good to see the frame is now back to the 2.35:1 cinema edition.

And the theatrical cut of ST6 has never been available on any home video format.

I for one am glad for the theatrical cut on ST6 the Spock/Valeris mind rape scene was screwed up in the DC the insert of the pictures to the scene took me right out of the movie

I'm just glad we can avoid the ridiculous scooby-doo ending

I'm just glad we can avoid the ridiculous scooby-doo ending

+1 It's all I've seen since I saw the film in the theater once when it was released.

KHAAAAAAAAAN!

In Hi Def!

R.I.P. Ricardo! We miss you!:(

I can't wait to pick these up. It's nice to see they are using very reasonable pricing.

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FoxyMulder,

Before we stray too far from what actually matters as opposed to the various hypotheticals we've been throwing out there, let me state for the record that I want this movie and every other to be in whatever aspect ratio the director wants it to be in, whether original or not, whether intended or not. As of this moment, that appears to be 2.35:1.

My whole point is that this release is a joke. We're getting the theatrical cuts, and the official reasoning behind that seems to be that they want us to remember how these movies were when they originally appeared. I think that's stupid. But if they're gonna do it, they need to go all the way. That means no 7.1 soundtracks, no II in KHAN's title, and VI in its OAR.

Obviously, people's definitions of OAR differ, but I don't consider it to be what was intended. I consider it to be what was actually on the screen. But in this case, there were 2 ratios, and the question is which one should be used? So preference matters. Was it Meyer's intention to frame the movie for 2.35 and protect for 2.2 or the other way around? Who's to say? But every other release of this movie going back to the LD would suggest that he preferred that the frame be opened up even beyond what was seen in 70mm. So my guess is that whether he framed for 2.35 or not, he thought that the movie looked better in 2.2, and that he considered that to be the best framing available in theaters. Just like I'm sure he considered the Dolby Digital track to be the best sound mix of the movie, despite the fact that most people probably heard it in SR.

Maybe he opened up the matte on video because the movie was going to be seen on a small screen. That wouldn't surprise me, and the fact that the new transfer is 2.35 makes me think that that might be the case. I could very well be wrong. I'd like to hear Meyer's reason for choosing 2.35 for this release.

2.35 for STVI? It's about goddamn time.

I'd like to hear Meyer's reason for choosing 2.35 for this release.

I would be interested as well. I would bet that it was pressure from Paramount to have all the movies in matching AR. I'm sure Meyer only cares somewhat about Trek and basically said "sure, fine, whatever". Since he clearly shot 2.35:1 safe.

I saw Star Trek VI up on the big screen with my mom when I was six and a half, so having it look exactly like I saw it is awesome news.

I would be interested as well. I would bet that it was pressure from Paramount to have all the movies in matching AR. I'm sure Meyer only cares somewhat about Trek and basically said "sure, fine, whatever". Since he clearly shot 2.35:1 safe.

I suspect the reason why the 2.35 theatrical aspect ratio wasn't used in the prior home versions is not because Meyer soured on it but because he thought it made the image too small on a square tube TV. Both Jay Roach and James Camerason have cited this reason to explain why they used a different aspect ratio for the home video release of some of their movies. But now, with big widscreen TVs more commonplace, there's less cause to change the theatrical aspect ratio because you can still get a decent size image. The Blu-ray release of Austin Powers is in its theatrical 2.4 aspect ratio for the first time. I think that's probably why the Blu-ray Star Trek movies are also coming out in 2.35 now. I doubt it's due to studio interference or because Meyer doesn't care.

Waiting forever for this, and I will probably get this set if the transfers are as good as they're toting.

As for waiting for Paramount inevitable re-releases, well I'm not going to wait. Not enough reasons to do so. While I did like the Director's Cut of ST:I more than the original, it's one of my least favorite of the Star Treks. It's too much of an exposition like 2001 for me. As for the other DCs, ST:II, the little added things were neat, but if you asked me to name them right now - I couldn't tell you. They just didn't really add that much or provide much additional excitement. As for the added scenes in ST:VI, they can keep those, and burn the aforementioned cheesy flashback scene with the mind meld. Man, that was jarring and terrible, what were they thinking? The sound effect, and it just slows down the movie. And really do you need to see those characters again?

I typically like director's cuts because they are interesting and they are generally better. Sometimes night and day better (like Kingdom of Heaven), but ST:I was some minor improvements to a movie I don't care for much anyway, ST:II was about the same - couldn't notice much of a difference, and ST: VI they really made worse. So I'll live without all that and hopefully gave good, clean HD versions of the theatrical cuts.

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Also, I've always loved the first movie for it's stupendous score by Goldsmith

Ain't that the truth. I went back to see The Motion Picture three times primarily for that score. Few films ever had that effect on me just that way.

Will TOS have The Cage ? I see that as a very very good Sci Fi film.

Art

I think The Cage will be included with Season 3. I understand that is how it was done with these remastered episodes on DVD. Since they are releasing the episodes in broadcast order, The Cage was last :)

And yes, The Cage is a sci fi gem of a film.

I think The Cage will be included with Season 3. I understand that is how it was done with these remastered episodes on DVD. Since they are releasing the episodes in broadcast order, The Cage was last :)

And yes, The Cage is a sci fi gem of a film.

I've already seen some of The Cage on a cinema screen, during a screening of the two-part episode 'The Menagerie' - the detail was incredible. I saw little details I'd never seen before in the cleaned-up footage, including the 'seam' on Shatners hairpiece!

I've already seen some of The Cage on a cinema screen, during a screening of the two-part episode 'The Menagerie' - the detail was incredible. I saw little details I'd never seen before in the cleaned-up footage, including the 'seam' on Shatners hairpiece!

Interesting you bring that up. I always thought that Shatner lost his hair in the 70's after TOS ended until I could see the margin in The Corbomite Maneuver in HD on the HDDVD.

Art

Interesting you bring that up. I always thought that Shatner lost his hair in the 70's after TOS ended until I could see the margin in The Corbomite Maneuver in HD on the HDDVD.

Art

Yep, he wore several toupees on varying quality in TOS.

Too many negatives for me to get excited. I want the longer cut of II, I want a DC of TMP and I would like the extended cut of VI (minus the stupid inserts we have talked about).

So I have to stand by and NOT buy any of these. I have to wait. And I will. :(

Too many negatives for me to get excited. I want the longer cut of II, I want a DC of TMP and I would like the extended cut of VI (minus the stupid inserts we have talked about).

So I have to stand by and NOT buy any of these. I have to wait. And I will. :(

Resistance is futile...

Too many negatives for me to get excited. I want the longer cut of II, I want a DC of TMP and I would like the extended cut of VI (minus the stupid inserts we have talked about).

So I have to stand by and NOT buy any of these. I have to wait. And I will. :(

I also have some of these concerns but as I look at all of my 2-disk DVD's I cant believe that I would watch them knowing that there is BD versions out there. I already know that the kid who dies is Scotty's sister's kid so I can do without that scene if the whole rest of the movie is in HD.

I'm glad they're releasing the theatrical cuts first. Do I wish they'd do a seamless branching release? Sure? But I'd be pretty irate if they only released Director's Cuts and not the theatrical versions.

Now if only they were using DTS on these like with the TV show. =)

Amazon MSRP on this set is actually $140 US and the price is $98 US. What happened to the $105 MSRP? Seems that many of the positive comments may not apply any more.

http://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-Original-Picture-Collection/dp/B001TH16DI

Still less than $20 a film.

Still less than $20 a film.

Yes but a lot different than what was originally reported for the set.

That's some BS about the MSRP, though I sort of expected something to change because $105 was way too low for Paramount (who loves to soak Trekkers). You figure the MSRP of a trillogy box set (say SpiderMan) is $99, so 6 for $105 is too good to be true.

The listing of a higher-than-announced MSRP price is just a quirk of the site. It happens all the time on Amazon with titles that are just announced and still a couple months away from release. Invariably, as it gets closer to release date, Amazon will adjust to the announced MSRP of $105 and the Amazon sales price will drop accordingly.

I hope so. DVD Empire has the MSRP at $168 :eek:

It seems everyone is getting different Suggestions from the Manufacturer.

There's only one MSRP for every retailer: $105. What's going on is that sites haven't fully updated their pages yet with the info from the official announcement so the prices are at this stage more like placeholders that are there simply to allow people to pre-order. Amazon is still working on the order page; you can see they added some technical details but there's still no artwork or description of special features. As it gets closer to release, the sites will add art work, descriptions from the press release, etc. and also adjust the price to reflect the announced MSRP. There's nothing unusual about this. If you're really concerned, write off an email to Amazon asking why its posted MSRP is so much higher than the actual announced MSRP. If enough people flag it and bring it to its attention, Amazon will adjust the page to reflect the real MSRP.

Folks it baffles me Paramount's decision to have the theatrical only releases of I,II and most importantly VI. While I celebrate the theatrical versions for purists, it's kinda difficult to give something to the home video audience that they've always had, then take it away without alternative. While there may have been additional expense, they certainly could have given us both cuts via seamless branching. What's sad is that you know down the line they will release the home video version, just not on the announced release.

It's time to end the fixed aspect ratio rubbish and transfer all movies to HD with mattes opened up as far as possible, whilst also providing players with configurable cropping to allow the consumer to set whatever aspect ratio suits them; IMO. The packaging could come with hints as to the Director's preferred AR.

Of course it will never happen, because the studios want to multiple dip as many times as possible.

The listing of a higher-than-announced MSRP price is just a quirk of the site. It happens all the time on Amazon with titles that are just announced and still a couple months away from release. Invariably, as it gets closer to release date, Amazon will adjust to the announced MSRP of $105 and the Amazon sales price will drop accordingly.

The other way around also happens, the MSRP in the press release has been altered when Paramount actually goes to put in the channel. Paramount did this with a previous Trek DVD, I forget which.

Two sites: amazon.com and deepdiscountdvd.com both list $139.95 as the MSRP. I'm betting that's the real MSRP when it actually went into shipment. The MSRP of the Motion Picture Trilogy also appears to have been raised accordingly to $65.

What's interesting is that both of the prices in the PR $105 for all 6 and $48 for 3 are more like the actual street price rather then MSRP. I don't suppose someone put the expected street price in the PR instead of the MSRP?

It's time to end the fixed aspect ratio rubbish and transfer all movies to HD with mattes opened up as far as possible, whilst also providing players with configurable cropping to allow the consumer to set whatever aspect ratio suits them; IMO. The packaging could come with hints as to the Director's preferred AR.

Of course it will never happen, because the studios want to multiple dip as many times as possible.

Impossible to do and can't happen.

Only one Trek film was shot where you could potentially do that and it's Star Trek 6....Try that with the others and you will just cut off huge chunks of picture imformation.

There is true scope shot films and then there is Super 35 shot type films....Do some research and you will find what you are proposing is just a non starter.

No sale for me with the original cut of Star Trek I & II. The only movie that I think the original cut was better was 6.

The other way around also happens, the MSRP in the press release has been altered when Paramount actually goes to put in the channel.

You're right, I spoke too soon and shouldn't have been so sure that it's a preliminary price. Sorry about that. I have seen Amazon adjust an initial price down as release date approaches but as you say, it could be just as well that the press release prices are wrong. You would think pricing would be one of the elements that gets double-checked for accuracy but who knows. I would think it was more likely the prices in the press release are a mistake - maybe a early draft that never got updated - than Paramount decided to raise prices a day later, which would seem flaky.

For what it's worth, I wrote an email to Amazon pointing out the discrepency and got a reply back from a customer rep saying it would correct the "error" but I'm not taking that as an actual acknowledgement from Amazon that it is an error. It's probably just a rep saying that. Guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Maybe they mixed up the minimum advertised price and the MSRP.

Pre-Order is up on Amazon......97.99 for all six movies....

Cheers, I just pre-ordered this and TOS1.

Seggers

No sale for me with the original cut of Star Trek I & II. The only movie that I think the original cut was better was 6.

agreed. I'll wait

Pre-Order is up on Amazon......97.99 for all six movies....

Yep it's been up for a few days. It's too bad the price is higher than the press info stated but still a decent price I guess :(

Two sites: amazon.com and deepdiscountdvd.com both list $139.95 as the MSRP. I'm betting that's the real MSRP when it actually went into shipment.
It occurs to me that it would be interesting to know whether the list price was actually raised by Paramount or whether the list prices are what was in the press release but Amazon and others are simply claiming they're higher. If the latter, that's deceptive and false advertising and they can get in quite a bit of trouble for it. Eliot Spitzer, in his pre-governor days as attorney general of New York, brought an action against Macy's for advertising that it was having a sale of an espresso machine when in fact the sales price was the same as the manufacturer's list price. Macy's had inflated the list price and then claimed it was having a sale. Macy's settled and discontinued the practice.

It occurs to me that it would be interesting to know whether the list price was actually raised by Paramount or whether the list prices are what was in the press release but Amazon and others are simply claiming they're higher. If the latter, that's deceptive and false advertising and they can get in quite a bit of trouble for it. Eliot Spitzer, in his pre-governor days as attorney general of New York, brought an action against Macy's for advertising that it was having a sale of an espresso machine when in fact the sales price was the same as the manufacturer's list price. Macy's had inflated the list price and then claimed it was having a sale. Macy's settled and discontinued the practice.

I hear ya, but that's a bit different. That was a retailer pulling shenanigans. This is about the price to distributors and a "suggested" price. I have a feeling a random press release isn't really enforcable in the same way.

I own the Collector's DVDs of I-IV, VI, Generations, and First Contact.

Paramount has a long history of milking Star Trek fans for every penny they have. I'll wait for the inevitable reissues of the films, and for them to be available individually. I just don't feel the need to own V, Insurrection, or Nemesis.

I hear ya, but that's a bit different. That was a retailer pulling shenanigans. This is about the price to distributors and a "suggested" price. I have a feeling a random press release isn't really enforcable in the same way.

Agreed, if the press release prices were a mistake or Paramount is now telling retailers the suggested prices are higher. But while you seem pretty confident that Paramount is using the higher prices with its distributors, I don't think that's been confirmed. Until it is, the only list prices out there are the ones used in the announcement and obviously, they don't match the list prices being used by pre-order retailers.

Damn, I really can't wait for these. I'm going to have to go watch my laserdiscs again.

That's some BS about the MSRP, though I sort of expected something to change because $105 was way too low for Paramount (who loves to soak Trekkers). You figure the MSRP of a trillogy box set (say SpiderMan) is $99, so 6 for $105 is too good to be true.

got it on order with amazon for $97.99 I'm happy

Does anyone have a link to something that explains the differences between the theatrical and director cuts of the original series movies? Thanks.

Does anyone have a link to something that explains the differences between the theatrical and director cuts of the original series movies? Thanks.

check out IMDB, obviously, for the specific differences. The bottom line is ST-TMP benefits a great deal more than II and VI in terms of its added footage.

There have been many different edits of ST-TMP, from the time it first aired on ABC to the "Revisited" Director's Cut. This is one instance where the theatrical cut really shouldn't be considered the "final" version of the movie because they had to rush to meet their release date and didn't really have a chance to fully finish post-production -- even that first TV version restores pertinent scenes that never should've been trimmed. Sadly we're only getting the theatrical edit here and IMO that's the biggest disappointment. And unlike a lot of these "expanded" versions we've seen in the years since, those added scenes aren't superfluous extensions, they actually flesh out a movie which many felt was cold and humorless the first time around -- in other words, they were restored FOR A REASON.

The DC of STAR TREK II (mostly a minor revelation about Scotty's nephew) really isn't that different from its theatrical cut, and neither is VI, compared to how improved ST-TMP is in its longer versions from added scenes which give back character development and insight that was much missed from the theatrical version.

Spock weeping for VGER at the end and then talking about how he found his own answers, and hoped that VGER would, as well, nicely wraps up the sub plot of Spock's and VGER's telepathic connection, and is sorely missing in the theatrical cut. It's an important Spock character moment, and also is important in showing VGER's 'humanity'. Here's hoping we get the director's cut on Blu-ray, some day. In the meantime, I still have the DVD to enjoy.

I have only been watching the HD versions SKYHD is showing and they are all the original cuts (from what I can remember) and the quality varies from great to appaling

I would like to see an extended cut of every film, with new shots inserted into each movie of Scotty bringing an injured crewman to the bridge instead of directly to sickbay. It could be a great running gag and I'm sure that a convincing motion capture CGI Jimmy Doohan could be realized with technical assistance from Robert Zemeckis.

i would like to see an extended cut of every film, with new shots inserted into each movie of scotty bringing an injured crewman to the bridge instead of directly to sickbay. It could be a great running gag and i'm sure that a convincing motion capture cgi jimmy doohan could be realized with technical assistance from robert zemeckis.

omg rofl.

I don't know if it has been mentioned yet, but the back of the box is available now for the original series. It looks like you can toggle between the new version and the old version with seemless branching. That is really cool! I will not buy it because I already have it on HD-DVD, but I am looking forward to Season 2 and 3!

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Star-Trek-Season-1-Blu-ray/11397

I hope this is right but the site i usually buy my movies at is listing Star Trek - The Motion Picture as being the directors cut.

http://www.movietyme.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=44453

Probably just a mistake but i can live in hope.

They probably recycled their description for the DVD.

I'm curious to know how the films will look on blu ray. I read the news release and it states that II is given a full restoration for blu ray. The other films are remastered for blu ray.

Does this mean that the films will have cleaned up transfers for blu ray, or will they just use the same DVD transfers with an HD resolution?

I'm sure they will look great on blu ray. But I would like to know more about what kind of work was done on the films.

Thanks!

Personally, I think Paramount is shooting themselves in the foot for not releasing I, II and VI with the added footage. No sale for me until I can either get III, IV and V separately or they do what they should have done in the first place. I guess they automatically assume everyone who has a Blu Ray player has lots of disposable income. My double dipping days ended with DVD. I'm not paying a premium for something lacking what the DVD has had for almost a decade now.

Already be in my lists.Star Trek,this summer movie,look like they change everything like 007,Batman.From the trailer,if I didn't see THE EAR,I will think about another great CGI blockbuster but not Star Trek.Change,Paramount need for more money.

Already be in my lists.Star Trek,this summer movie,look like they change everything like 007,Batman.From the trailer,if I didn't see THE EAR,I will think about another great CGI blockbuster but not Star Trek.Change,Paramount need for more money.

This isn't a thread about the new film, please don't turn it into one.

Personally, I think Paramount is shooting themselves in the foot for not releasing I, II and VI with the added footage. No sale for me until I can either get III, IV and V separately or they do what they should have done in the first place. I guess they automatically assume everyone who has a Blu Ray player has lots of disposable income. My double dipping days ended with DVD. I'm not paying a premium for something lacking what the DVD has had for almost a decade now.

Here in sweden they are releasing them both as a boxset and separately.
Hopefully they do the same in US.

I may get the Genesis Trilogy set, but at this point I don't want TMP, 5 or 6. TMP should include both versions of the film. Robert Wise's wishes were that the DC be the only version shown and released from here on out. I guess it's convenient that he's not around and Paramount is releasing the theatrical now and will issue the DC later. Same story with 2 and 6 I suppose. Maybe they'll even doing something with 5 as well for the next release.

I'll wait to hear if the 3 and 4 have decent video transfers as well. If not, I may wait until the Fall and get Khan when they are released individually here in the US.

I wish I could be more excited about the films coming to blu ray. It's a bit disappointing though in the way several of the films are being handled, IMO.

I am very pleased with the way CBS is handling Season 1 of TOS. Including both the remastered and original versions. Well done! I will not hesitate to pick up that set.

I'll wait to hear if the 3 and 4 have decent video transfers as well. If not, I may wait until the Fall and get Khan when they are released individually here in the US.

Know something we don't (I've never seen an announcement for individual releases)? or is that just conjecture that they'll be available individually by fall?

It seems like the "trilogy" set is for those who don't want all six. An additional release of the trilogy films individually a few months later seems unlikely.

I have all 10 of these on Special Edition DVD and I will be getting these first 6 on Blu. Even though I much prefer the longer cuts of these films I can't see myself watching a regular DVD just to catch 3 minutes of stuff that I have already seen. DVD is almost unwatchable on a 60" screen now so I will just give them to my dad.

I'm very excited about this, but I'll be picky about which ones I buy. The Director's Editions of I and II are far superior to their theatrical cuts, so I'll be skipping those. There's a rumour Shatner wants a special edition of V done with better effects, so I'll wait for that one too. The director's cut of VI is poor, and I'll happily buy the theatrical version just so I don't have to endure the Scooby-Doo ending again :)

With the Original Series also coming to Blu-ray, Paramount will be taking alot of my money this year :) Bring on the TNG movies later in the year (well, First Contact anyway)!

ST:VI Scooby-Doo ending?? can you elaborate on that, how is the ending different in the theatrical cut? I did not like the change to the "mind rape" scene but remember no other big changes. thanks

And I would have gotten away with it, too, if it wasn't for those meddling Starfleet officers and their pointy-eared Vulcan!

ST:VI Scooby-Doo ending?? can you elaborate on that, how is the ending different in the theatrical cut? I did not like the change to the "mind rape" scene but remember no other big changes. thanks

The whole thing with the dude wearing the Klingon mask wasn't in the original cut. Neither was Scotty's line, "I bet that Klingon b**** killed her father!" which is probably what I'll miss the most. :(

From The Digital Bits website:

The following is yet to be officially announced (so again, consider it Rumor Mill-worthy), but we believe that all these films will be available individually on Blu-ray Disc (and possibly DVD) later this year, when the Abrams film is released on both formats.

ST:VI Scooby-Doo ending?? can you elaborate on that, how is the ending different in the theatrical cut? I did not like the change to the "mind rape" scene but remember no other big changes. thanks

dude, no offense but how well do you know the film, have you read the thread and have you heard of google...?

http://www.dvdjournal.com/reviews/s/startrek06undiscovered.shtml


easy to discover for yourself...

dude, no offense but how well do you know the film, have you read the thread and have you heard of google...?

http://www.dvdjournal.com/reviews/s/startrek06undiscovered.shtml


easy to discover for yourself...

yes and yes but I did not understand the "scooby" reference
I do not remember any kids in the film or a dog :-)

Does remastered also mean restored, as in cleaned up, repair, etc?

Does remastered also mean restored, as in cleaned up, repair, etc?

Knowing Paramount, unlikely.

yes and yes but I did not understand the "scooby" reference
I do not remember any kids in the film or a dog :-)

jeez, all you had to do was click on the link I posted...


"Note too that this edition maintains the infamous "Scooby Doo ending" that was not present in the theatrical release but has been familiar on home video for years. We're talking about the brief scene in the Federation President's office with Colonel West and his paper flip-charts proposing a military rescue strike against the Klingons, a scene that sets up the big reveal at the movie's climax — the unnecessary "WTF?" moment that replaces an anonymous Klingon assassin with a peeled-away rubber Klingon mask that could have come from the Target warehouse on Rigel IV..."

;)

Does remastered also mean restored, as in cleaned up, repair, etc?
Well some restoration would have to be done to release them Blu-ray, I don't know how much was done. I would imagine about as much as was done for Trek Remastered. I'm sure most were farmed out to a digital house for basic clean up like TOS-R was.

However, it is known that the Wrath of Khan was in such bad shape Paramount had extensive work done on it, apparently similar to the work done on The Godfather. The Digital Bits asked around and had this confirmed by Nick Mayer. The rumor is that Lowry Digital may have been involved at somepoint too. It is also known that they did work on First Contact (for when the TNG movies are released on Blu-ray).

Is there any point in buying this "set", or just wait for a better, single release titles? I know Paramount, they are pretty chincy on remastering, but it is, indeed, inticing to buy the first 6 movies right away....IF ONLY ALL OLD MOVIES WERE RESTORED LIKE BLADERUNNER

Is there any point in buying this "set", or just wait for a better, single release titles? I know Paramount, they are pretty chincy on remastering, but it is, indeed, inticing to buy the first 6 movies right away....IF ONLY ALL OLD MOVIES WERE RESTORED LIKE BLADERUNNER

"The Final Cut" has apparently been DNRed, "The Directors Cut" on the other hand...

I am looking forward to the theatrical cuts myself as I have not seen 6 in that form since the theatrical run and I like many find it to be the superior version. In a perfect world they would have seamless branching but it is good to see these films finally released in HD.

yes and yes but I did not understand the "scooby" reference
I do not remember any kids in the film or a dog :-)

jeez, all you had to do was click on the link I posted...


"Note too that this edition maintains the infamous "Scooby Doo ending" that was not present in the theatrical release but has been familiar on home video for years. We're talking about the brief scene in the Federation President's office with Colonel West and his paper flip-charts proposing a military rescue strike against the Klingons, a scene that sets up the big reveal at the movie's climax — the unnecessary "WTF?" moment that replaces an anonymous Klingon assassin with a peeled-away rubber Klingon mask that could have come from the Target warehouse on Rigel IV..."

I have to admit the one and only time I saw this movie was when released in theaters, so I had no idea what the "Scooby Doo" ending stuff was all about either. I did Google it when first referenced here in this thread, but I found every discussion of the movie either just said "that unnecessary change to the ending where the killer is revealed" or said simply "that Scooby Doo ending". I could never find an actual description of the scene that didn't assume I had already seen it. So it was annoyingly mysterious.

The description you linked and provided is clearer than most, although it still doesn't say everything it could, I suspect.

Imagine, if you will, an alternate ending where Spock shoots Kirk dead in a wild-west style gunfight. Now imagine you haven't seen that alternate ending and everyone discussing the film just says "that silly, violent ending - it was so Spaghetti Western" or "it was a cheap knock-off of the shoot up at the OK corral". No-one actually says "because Spock kills Kirk in a gunfight". So you are left wondering what the heck the alternate ending is all about - the ending you remember is Spock and Kirk having beers at the cantina. And you're not about to buy the DVD just to find out, because the BD is coming out.

So I feel dargo's pain.

shinksma

"The Final Cut" has apparently been DNRed, "The Directors Cut" on the other hand...
I thought the Director's Cut still had the DNR? I thought the real difference between the two versions came down to the color timing, which Scott changed rather dramatically for the Final Cut.

This thread is about the Star Trek films, not Blade Runner....

I don't know why people don't have more faith in Paramount regarding their MOST VALUABLE property by far.
imo these will look great.
and of course expect the longer versions double-dipped some time in the future.
I mean, duh.

I don't know why people don't have more faith in Paramount regarding their MOST VALUABLE property by far.
imo these will look great.
and of course expect the longer versions double-dipped some time in the future.
I mean, duh.

I don't know maybe it's because they treat the fans like **** as they had two years to make this release the best most concise Blu Ray release ever with seamless branching for both cuts of The Motion Picture, Trek II and Trek VI and a wealth of extra's and all at a reasonable price.

Why do i say they had at least two years to work on giving us the ultimate boxed set ? Well they knew this was the thirtieth anniversary of the original film and they knew the new Trek movie would likely open either late last year or this year ( originally slated for last year )

So what do they do instead ? Well they decide to say **** you to the fans as we're giving you the theatrical cuts only and we're not going to redo the effects work in HD for the original motion picture as Robert Wise is dead and can't embarrass us by saying it needs to be done and hey we're going to make you all double dip and get loads of money off you as we know how gullible trek fans are....Thats what their marketing department thinks but hey guess what i'm a fan and i'm not gullible and they can go to hell as i'm not buying until they do justice to the releases.

Oh yeh i know what will happen next....They will release the extended editions of some of these films but will not give us both cuts via seamless branching as they want to maximise sales and make the fans buy the movies twice. ( perhaps thrice )

I have faith that Star Trek II will look great but as for the others well i'm not so sure as you are.

Oh and one more thing....I have never seen the theatrical cut of Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country and i have only ever saw the one with the "Scooby Doo ending" - I would certainly like to see the original theatrical cut but just in case i don't like it i want the changed edition with the Scooby snacks and since it's not going to be there then i say **** you Paramount and i'll have patience and wait.

Oh and one more thing....I have never seen the theatrical cut of Star Trek VI - The Undiscovered Country and i have only ever saw the one with the "Scooby Doo ending" - I would certainly like to see the original theatrical cut but just in case i don't like it i want the changed edition with the Scooby snacks and since it's not going to be there then i say **** you Paramount and i'll have patience and wait.

I remember seeing The Undiscovered Country in the theater, and I'm only 22! Remind me what the "scooby doo ending" is though, I'm sure I've seen it as well?

EDIT: Ah, found it LOL, that definitely was a WTF moment on VHS/DVD I recall:

We're talking about the brief scene in the Federation President's office with Colonel West and his paper flip-charts proposing a military rescue strike against the Klingons, a scene that sets up the big reveal at the movie's climax — the unnecessary "WTF?" moment that replaces an anonymous Klingon assassin with a peeled-away rubber Klingon mask that could have come from the Target warehouse on Rigel IV.

"This is not Klingon blood..."

Good rant FoxyMulder. It pretty much sums up Paramount's home video trends of going to the well of Trekkers again and again over the years. They seem to do it more than most other popular franchises, although the sickening number of repackagings of the Star Wars trilogy again and again since 2004 is just as bad if not worse.

I don't know maybe it's because they treat the fans like **** as they had two years to make this release the best most concise Blu Ray release ever with seamless branching for both cuts of The Motion Picture, Trek II and Trek VI and a wealth of extra's and all at a reasonable price.

Not only that, but Paramount wouldn't even greenlight Coppola's request to have the Godfather films restored for the current dvd/BD release. Spielberg had to step in and make that happen.

Someday when they actually want my money, they'll include both cuts on I, II and VI. Until then... no sale!

A little OT but some lucky folk got a sneak peak at the new Trek flick, after going to see WOK out comes Orci and Alex Kurtzman (writers) & Leonard Nimoy!
Link (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/04/star-treks-snea.html?cnn=yes)

At least they'll wait to release a second volume, instead of double dipping with the whole series.

I'm having a difficult time waiting for this release.

:(

Someday when they actually want my money, they'll include both cuts on I, II and VI. Until then... no sale!

Bingo....

Price down to $80 at Amazon and Walmart.

Price down to $80 at Amazon and Walmart.

I just locked mine in at Walmart. It showed as 80 at Amazon, but I don't think you can pay for it now and lock in that price.

Seggers

Price down to $80 at Amazon and Walmart.
Noticed that too, not bad for six movies. Hopefully the PQ and AQ are good.

I just locked mine in at Walmart. It showed as 80 at Amazon, but I don't think you can pay for it now and lock in that price.

Seggers

Amazon has a "pre-order price guarantee" which ostensibly means that you'll pay the lowest price at which the pre-order was offered since the point you put in the pre-order. So if it drops lower you'll get that price, but if it rises you'll keep the price you initially locked in (or a lower price if it dipped lower than you're initial price and then rose above your initial price).

At least, that's how it's supposed to work, they've been a bit flakey on that concerning my pre-order on the Lost S1 & S2 sets though, claiming a lower price that was offered on one set for days was actually a pricing error, even though they initially lowered my price after I contacted them asking why my order wasn't modified to the new price.

I've read with interest the discussion of the release being Theatrical Cut or Directors Cut. Do we know for SURE that the 6 disk box set is only Theatrical Cut? I have yet to see a definitive source.

I'm really interested in the 6 movie set that Amazon set has listed as $80 but only if they are the Directors Cut.

Price down to $80 at Amazon and Walmart.


Pretty good price, just placed my order. I hope they do a good job with the transfers of these movies. These are my most anticipated movies on blu-ray, outside of the Lord of the Rings films.

I've read with interest the discussion of the release being Theatrical Cut or Directors Cut. Do we know for SURE that the 6 disk box set is only Theatrical Cut? I have yet to see a definitive source.

I'm really interested in the 6 movie set that Amazon set has listed as $80 but only if they are the Directors Cut.

The Star Trek: Original Motion Picture Collection is a forthcoming Blu-ray collection featuring the six Original Series films. Each film has been digitally remastered in high-definition, and is based on the theatrical cut in each instance. This marks the first time that Star Trek: The Motion Picture has been released in its theatrical format since VHS. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan required extensive restoration to feature in this release - director Nicholas Meyer noting that the original negative "was in terrible shape". This also marks the first time that Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country has been released in its original theatrical aspect ratio of 2.35:1. Each film is presented in 7.1 Dolby TrueHD sound. Each film includes Library Computer - a trivia feature using Blu-ray's Java function.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Star_Trek:_Original_Motion_Picture_Collection_(Blu-ray)

I got all excited when I read these were finally coming out. So excited that I blew the dust off my 20-disc box set and threw Kahn in the player. However, I made it through only the first 30 minutes before deciding to go outside and mow the lawn. With that in mind, I'm gonna pass on this for the following reasons:

1.) Wrath of Khan is the only film they "fully restored." The rest of films are just "digitally remastered." -- translation: It's the same master as the DVD's! So, no real PQ improvement and possibly no Next gen audio except for Khan. (Some claim ALL the films have 7.1 TrueHD)

2.) There is a gawd awful swish on the plastic cover which reads: " Includes 6 motion pictures featuring Kirk and Spock!" Every artwork mock up shows this as printed on the cover. I'm praying that it turns out to only be a sticker on the plastic wrap. But personally, I still find this tacky and insulting to the fans.

3.) We all know that some "Definitive Star Trek Collectors Edition in the shape of the Enterprise" will eventually come out. And will probably include the Director's cuts along with the other 4 Next Gen (with Next Gen audio) films. Heck, it might even include the cartoons you guys have been crying for.

4.) These are probably going to be housed in slim line cases. I know some of you love this style but I perfer a spine that I can actually read from more than a foot away. I can't help thinking that these always look flimsy and cheap. In fact, I refused to replace my HD Matrix box for this very reason.


5.) I'm broke... Aren't we all?:D

Sorry Paramount, but I think I'll keep my $80. The "Digitally Remastered" Collection on my shelf should tide me over until the "Real McCoy" version finally arrives.

The last two posts are a real bummer. Esp. the comment "Wrath of Khan is the only film they "fully restored" and gave a 7.1 TrueHD track to. The rest of films are just "digitally remastered." -- translation: It's the same master as the DVD's! So, no PQ improvement or Next gen audio" Wow. I'm out!

I got all excited when I read these were finally coming out. So excited that I blew the dust off my 20-disc box set and threw Kahn in the player. However, I made it through only the first 30 minutes before deciding to go outside and mow the lawn. With that in mind, I'm gonna pass on this for the following reasons:

1.) Wrath of Khan is the only film they "fully restored" and gave a 7.1 TrueHD track to. The rest of films are just "digitally remastered." -- translation: It's the same master as the DVD's! So, no PQ improvement or Next gen audio.

2.) There is a gawd awful swish on the plastic cover which reads: " Includes 6 motion pictures featuring Kirk and Spock!" Every artwork mock up shows this as printed on the cover. I'm praying that it turns out to only be a sticker on the plastic wrap. But personally, I still find this tacky and insulting to the fans.

3.) We all know that some "Definitive Star Trek Collectors Edition in the shape of the Enterprise" will eventually come out. And will probably include the Director's cuts along with the other 4 Next Gen (with Next Gen audio) films. Heck, it might even include the cartoons you guys have been crying for.

4.) These are probably going to be housed in slim line cases. I know some of you love this style but I perfer a spine that I can actually read from more than a foot away. I can't help thinking that these always look flimsy and cheap. In fact, I refused to replace my HD Matrix box for this very reason.


5.) I'm broke... Aren't we all? :D
1) except for the first paramount titles every last one has had some form of lossless audio.
2)It's a plastic slipcover..I'm pretty sure(judging by the pics on amazon). Transformers style.
3)Probably. And why do you think these won't have lossless?
4)Warner is the only studio that has used thosed so far. From the pics those could either be slipcovers or individual cardboard cases.

they have season 1 over at the Bits. So the motion picture collection might be out in the wild soon.
Still wondering why the TV series is DTS-MAified(allegedly) and the films are True-HD'd. Perhaps it's asking too much for all the Star Trek content to use the same audio codec, be it DTS or Dolby.

The last two posts are a real bummer. Esp. the comment "Wrath of Khan is the only film they "fully restored" and gave a 7.1 TrueHD track to. The rest of films are just "digitally remastered." -- translation: It's the same master as the DVD's! So, no PQ improvement or Next gen audio" Wow. I'm out!

Considering that these movies were announce on July, 2006(they were originally were going to be on HD DVD) you would think that they would be pristine.

http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/26/paramout-releasing-the-ultimate-star-trek-movie-collection-on/

Still wondering why the TV series is DTS-MAified(allegedly)

My point exactly! I think the backlash were seeing on this release (as well as BD in general) is because the fans want to feel Paramount did something special for these titles. Instead, many feel like its just a glorified DVD that's been sitting on the shelf until the new film comes out.

The irony is that Star Trek is about the final frontier, while BD is probably the final physical media. So, would it be too much to ask for a branching version that includes the other cuts? How hard is it to slap on a TrueHD or DTS-MA track from the previous mastering session?

Fans have been begging for these titles for over 2 years and Paramount promised that they're coming. But when it finally arrives, most we're expecting the ultimate version. Something that leaves the previous incarnations in the dust. You know, the last copy you'll ever buy... but,wait... if the studios released that, then they have nothing else to sell you.

This is same dilemma that has plagued us since the first Star Trek DVD's were pressed back in '99. Some of the films were anamorphic; some were not. So, you kinda got the feeling they would be revisiting these titles. Now, here we are 10 years later... and here we go again, and again. Because it never ends.

1.) Wrath of Khan is the only film they "fully restored." The rest of films are just "digitally remastered." -- translation: It's the same master as the DVD's! So, no real PQ improvement and possibly no Next gen audio except for Khan. (Some claim ALL the films have 7.1 TrueHD)
I'm pretty sure "digitally remastered" means that brand new transfers have been made for all six movies. The only difference is that Khan has also had restoration work done for the original film elements.

Here's the relevant part from The Digital Bits' announcement (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa165.html#startrekannounce):

All the films have been digitally remastered in high-definition. Star Trek II has undergone additional restoration work starting with the original film elements in a process similar to the recent Godfather restoration. [Editor's Note #3: We've learned from director Nicholas Meyer that the original film elements had deteoriated, thus requiring a full restoration effort to be undertaken.]"

We can be certain that The Undiscovered Country has had a new transfer, because it's going to be 2.35:1. Neither of the two DVD releases had that aspect ratio.

Also, it's a fact that all the films will have Dolby TrueHD, not a claim.

My point exactly! I think the backlash were seeing on this release (as well as BD in general) is because the fans want to feel Paramount did something special for these titles. Instead, many feel like its just a glorified DVD that's been sitting on the shelf until the new film comes out.

The irony is that Star Trek is about the final frontier, while BD is probably the final physical media. So, would it be too much to ask for a branching version that includes the other cuts? How hard is it to slap on a TrueHD or DTS-MA track from the previous mastering session?

I think you missed the point of my post(I wanted either DTS or TrueHD on both simply for the sake of uniformity). I agree with you about the branching, now that I think about it I don't know of any Paramount titles that use it - Tropic thunder ended up with the Director's cut only.

Who is telling you that Khan is the only title getting TrueHD? Paramount puts lossless on all titles now. I guarantee you the others will have TrueHD too.

I got all excited when I read these were finally coming out. So excited that I blew the dust off my 20-disc box set and threw Kahn in the player. However, I made it through only the first 30 minutes before deciding to go outside and mow the lawn. With that in mind, I'm gonna pass on this for the following reasons:

1.) Wrath of Khan is the only film they "fully restored." The rest of films are just "digitally remastered." -- translation: It's the same master as the DVD's! So, no real PQ improvement and possibly no Next gen audio except for Khan. (Some claim ALL the films have 7.1 TrueHD)

2.) There is a gawd awful swish on the plastic cover which reads: " Includes 6 motion pictures featuring Kirk and Spock!" Every artwork mock up shows this as printed on the cover. I'm praying that it turns out to only be a sticker on the plastic wrap. But personally, I still find this tacky and insulting to the fans.

3.) We all know that some "Definitive Star Trek Collectors Edition in the shape of the Enterprise" will eventually come out. And will probably include the Director's cuts along with the other 4 Next Gen (with Next Gen audio) films. Heck, it might even include the cartoons you guys have been crying for.

4.) These are probably going to be housed in slim line cases. I know some of you love this style but I perfer a spine that I can actually read from more than a foot away. I can't help thinking that these always look flimsy and cheap. In fact, I refused to replace my HD Matrix box for this very reason.


5.) I'm broke... Aren't we all?:D

Sorry Paramount, but I think I'll keep my $80. The "Digitally Remastered" Collection on my shelf should tide me over until the "Real McCoy" version finally arrives.

The theatrical cuts of I and VI were never released on DVD.

Could it be that they went with Dolby instead of DTS for the movies because all ten of them had Dolby mixes for their original theatrical runs and only the later ones had DTS? Granted, some of the 2-disc Special Collector's Edition dvds of the older movies had DTS tracks.

The irony is that Star Trek is about the final frontier, while BD is probably the final physical media. So, would it be too much to ask for a branching version that includes the other cuts? How hard is it to slap on a TrueHD or DTS-MA track from the previous mastering session?

OK, here the deal, which I know has been explained ad nausem as to why the director cuts are not on these discs... Paramount does not have HD master of them.

When the footage was added to these films, it was added at 480i resolution, including the special effects. Years ago when they re-released the director's cuts of The Motion Picture, The Wrath of Khan and especially The Undiscovered Country, they we're not thinking about HD. (Remember, if you're old enough, that Star Trek VI has never be available on any home video format in it's theatrical cut or it's original 2.35 aspect ratio.)

It was a poor decision, but the only way we will see the director's cuts of those three films is if Paramount invest the money in the projects.

As for the audio inconsistancy. i.e. the films being Dolby TrueHD 7.1, while the show is DTS-MA 7.1, that is purely a divisional decision. CBS Home Video controls the television show, while Paramount Home Entertainment is in charge of the films.

On a side note, before you bring up South Park: Season 12 being TrueHD, that is also a separate division, Comedy Central.

fitprod

When the footage was added to these films, it was added at 480i resolution, including the special effects. Years ago when they re-released the director's cuts of The Motion Picture, The Wrath of Khan and especially The Undiscovered Country, they we're not thinking about HD. (Remember, if you're old enough, that Star Trek VI has never be available on any home video format in it's theatrical cut or it's original 2.35 aspect ratio.)

I know that this is true of TMP, but aside from a couple dissolves in VI, I can't think of any new effects in the added footage of the two Meyer movies. Surely it wouldn't be hard for them to re-transfer the new footage in HD if they haven't already.

The real question is what does Meyer think about all of this? There are reports that he was "involved" in the decision. But does that mean he approves of the decision? Better yet, does he prefer the decision?

1.) Wrath of Khan is the only film they "fully restored." The rest of films are just "digitally remastered." -- translation: It's the same master as the DVD's! So, no real PQ improvement and possibly no Next gen audio except for Khan. (Some claim ALL the films have 7.1 TrueHD)



I'm sorry, but unless they completely f these up with horrible DNR or EE or such, there's no way these won't look significantly better than the current DVDs.

The old HD transfers for I, II and III are easily better than the DVD's, so this os a no brainer. But yeah, we have to hope they won't be DVNR'd. That's something that CAn happen since the optical FX shots all have a noticeable grain structure to them. If they remove the grain, they will be removing detail.

What old HD transfers are you referring to, Matt?

May 12 can't come soon enough :(

I know that this is true of TMP, but aside from a couple dissolves in VI, I can't think of any new effects in the added footage of the two Meyer movies. Surely it wouldn't be hard for them to re-transfer the new footage in HD if they haven't already.

The real question is what does Meyer think about all of this? There are reports that he was "involved" in the decision. But does that mean he approves of the decision? Better yet, does he prefer the decision?

Yeah... I'd say he was involved, considering he approved of Star Trek VI's aspect ratio being put back to it's original 2.35 aspect ratio.

Most of the time when extra footage is added into a feature for home video, it is more a studio marketing decision than a director's decision.

BTW, why would you want the Scooby Doo ending for Star Trek VI? That ruined what was nearly a perfect final film for the original cast.

fitprod

But yeah, we have to hope they won't be DVNR'd.

Yes, this is really my main concern as Paramount has completely wrecked a number of BD catalog titles with DNR.

Yeah... I'd say he was involved, considering he approved of Star Trek VI's aspect ratio being put back to it's original 2.35 aspect ratio.

Sure, he was involved. But is it a case of him saying, "Y'know, I guess the theatrical cuts are better after all," or is it a case of the studio saying, "Please let us release the theatrical cuts of your movies so that we don't just look like cheap knuckleheads for releasing the theatrical cut of TMP," and then Meyer saying, "Yeah, whatever, who cares?"

Most of the time when extra footage is added into a feature for home video, it is more a studio marketing decision than a director's decision.


True, but that's not the case with these movies. On the commentary for STII, he talks about how the studio made him cut the extra footage for theatrical release, and that he was glad it was finally back in the movie. For STVI, he said that he changed it in order to make the ending easier to understand.

So I want to know why he's supposedly changed his mind about these two movies.

BTW, why would you want the Scooby Doo ending for Star Trek VI? That ruined what was nearly a perfect final film for the original cast.

I have a two part answer for this.

First, I've never seen the theatrical cut, so I don't know exactly what I'm missing. But as I understand it, the cuts which were made take away from much of the corruption and ugliness associated with humans in the movie. Scotty no longer has his racist remark, Starfleet officers are not as heavily involved with the conspiracy, etc. That's the biggest problem I have with Trek. I don't like the fact that humans are presented as a flawless species. It's just dumb. One of the reasons why this is probably the best episode ever is because it fixed that major problem.

But more importantly, I firmly believe that film is not a democratic art form, and that directors should have final say on their work. So whether the Scooby Doo ending is good or bad can be debated until we're green in the face. :D But if Meyer wants it there, it should be there. So now the big question is, does he want it there?

I want these movies in HD... but I gotta tell you, I already bought a few of them twice on DVD because the early releases were not anamorphic widescreen... so now I'm thinking I'll hold off on these until I see what the future starts to hold for any deluxe editions.

Now I'm beginning to think I'll be better off picking up the TV seasons instead. I was thinking of back-burnering those because I already own the DVDs and could wait... but those at least shouldn't be changing again for a new super-deluxe set that I'd care about anytime soon once they are released this year.

True, but that's not the case with these movies. On the commentary for STII, he talks about how the studio made him cut the extra footage for theatrical release, and that he was glad it was finally back in the movie. For STVI, he said that he changed it in order to make the ending easier to understand.

He also talked about the 'scope ratio of VI yet it was opened up to 2:1.

I for one prefer the theatrical cut of II. The additions hurt the pacing.

Also, I have seen all these films theatrically (all but II on opening day), and appreciate the chance Paramount is giving me to see them as originally screened. Since Paramount doesn't use seamless branching and has yet to package films with both versions I can wait until they double dip with another cut.


more importantly, I firmly believe that film is not a democratic art form, and that directors should have final say on their work. So whether the Scooby Doo ending is good or bad can be debated until we're green in the face. :D But if Meyer wants it there, it should be there. So now the big question is, does he want it there?

The reason it wasn't there theatically was because of Gene Roddenberry, who screened the WIP film cut shortly before his death. After he died, Meyer decided to add the footage to the home video version. Meyer then added the mindmeld closeups to the S.E. version (jarring and very soap-opera-ish).

Directors sometimes change things to change things. Amadeus on BD is not the film that won Best Picture. The French Connection looks just plain bizarre.

What old HD transfers are you referring to, Matt?

They have been shown on HBO, Showtime and numerous foreign cable and sat stations over the years. All 2.35:1 and 2.0 stereo sound. Absolutely superior to the DVD's. I've compared them on a 95 inch screen.

I'm nervous about Paramount's sometimes overuse of DVNR. Right now ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST is on HDNet Movies and it is heavily noise reduced. No grain to be seen. It's Patton Redux.

They have been shown on HBO, Showtime and numerous foreign cable and sat stations over the years. All 2.35:1 and 2.0 stereo sound. Absolutely superior to the DVD's. I've compared them on a 95 inch screen.

I'm nervous about Paramount's sometimes overuse of DVNR. Right now ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST is on HDNet Movies and it is heavily noise reduced. No grain to be seen. It's Patton Redux.

Ah OK, I've missed them on HD channels, unfortunately.

Yah, I hope Paramount doesn't screw these up.

Yah, I hope Paramount doesn't screw these up.

me too.

They have been shown on HBO, Showtime and numerous foreign cable and sat stations over the years. All 2.35:1 and 2.0 stereo sound. Absolutely superior to the DVD's. I've compared them on a 95 inch screen.

ST:VI was still 2:1 on HD cable.

What you saw on cable was the most recent masters which the DVDs came from. This new set has new transfers.

Have been looking forward to these ever since they where first rumored. Brings back great childhood memories of going to the movies. Please make them good. :)

ST:VI was still 2:1 on HD cable.

What you saw on cable was the most recent masters which the DVDs came from. This new set has new transfers.
Just to be VERY CLEAR...

I was not talking about Star Trek VI. As I stated in my April 18th post, I was talking about I, II and III. What I saw and have seen and own on DVHS are the OLD transfers, which were done at least eight years ago or more.

I for one prefer the theatrical cut of II. The additions hurt the pacing.

This is almost always my biggest complaint about "extended editions" - abruptly tripping up the momentum of the narrative, or alternately, allowing the score to get labored or bogged. That was my biggest problem with the changed to TESB (Empire), was how the score labored at points that really robbed it of the energy it contributed to the film at crucial times, such as the escape at Cloud City.

You can have too much of a good thing, and sometimes less is more...

Amazon raised their price up to $94. Hope everybody locked in at $80.

Saw where it is now $93.99 at Amazon. I ordered when it was $79.99 but was planning on cancelling the order until I read some reviews of the quality. Don't think I can trust it to go back down after they come out though. Guess I will keep my order. Hopefully, there will be a competent review before release.

Amazon raised their price up to $94. Hope everybody locked in at $80.The way it almost always works is that you get the lowest price between when you ordered and when it shipped. Anyone who ordered before it hit the $80 should automatically get the price lowered upon shipping as if they had ordered it when the price fell. If not, just write an e-mail to Amazon.

The way it almost always works is that you get the lowest price between when you ordered and when it shipped. Anyone who ordered before it hit the $80 should automatically get the price lowered upon shipping as if they had ordered it when the price fell. If not, just write an e-mail to Amazon.

When I ordered it, it was $98.00. That was back in Feb. So should I get it for $80.00?

When I ordered it, it was $98.00. That was back in Feb. So should I get it for $80.00?Yes. They'll charge you $80, and you'll get an e-mail like this:Greetings from Amazon.com.

You saved $18.00 with Amazon.com's Pre-order Price Guarantee!

The price of the item(s) decreased after you ordered them, and we gave you the lowest price.

The following title(s) decreased in price:

Star Trek: Original Motion Picture Collection (The Motion Picture / The Wrath of Kahn / The Search for Spock / The Voyage Home / The Final Frontier / The ... Captains Summit Bonus Disc) [Blu-ray]
Price on order date: $97.99
Price charged at shipping: $79.99 Lowest price before release date: $79.99
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$18.00 is your total savings under our Pre-order Price Guarantee.

If you don't get that e-mail, let Amazon know and they should refund you the proper amount.

Yes. They'll charge you $80, and you'll get an e-mail like this:
If you don't get that e-mail, let Amazon know and they should refund you the proper amount.

Ah, okay. Thanks!

Ah, okay. Thanks!

Although that email sometimes doesnt go out until you have the thing. Before you email them just check your account page. You should be fine. Its pretty rare that they mess it up.

My collection arrived today, I've already watch the 1st movie and loved it. No doubt some will complain about niose reduction but overall I thought it was a very solid transfer. Very nice blacks and colour, decent detail although a bit soft in places. Audio was good enough but nothing special.

Thanks for the info. If you listen to the new commentary on KHAN, let us know if Meyer talks about the reasoning behind using the theatrical cut instead of the director's cut.

How did you get so soon? it doesn't street until may 12.

How is the audio and pic quality??

Thanks for the info. If you listen to the new commentary on KHAN, let us know if Meyer talks about the reasoning behind using the theatrical cut instead of the director's cut.

Maybe he didn't mind the version that's been out there for over 20 years be first out in HD?

Besides, the commentary was recorded back in 2002.

My collection arrived today, I've already watch the 1st movie and loved it. No doubt some will complain about niose reduction but overall I thought it was a very solid transfer. Very nice blacks and colour, decent detail although a bit soft in places. Audio was good enough but nothing special.

Oh god....:(

Maybe he didn't mind the version that's been out there for over 20 years be first out in HD?

Besides, the commentary was recorded back in 2002.

The old commentary is still on it but i see from the specs that a new commentrary was recorded for this release with Meyer and Manny Coto.

As for Star Trek - The Motion Picture being soft and noise reduced - It was shot with anamorphic lenses in the seventies so i expect some softness compared to some films shot today. ( although it should have a grain structure to the image )

I hope the poster is just comparing films shot today to films shot in the seventies and coming up with the softness theory and i hope it's not the result of degraining and DNR. Mind you i'm waiting until the directors cut of the first one gets released anyways.

I'd buy all the other ones as theatrical cuts but not the first one.

As for Star Trek - The Motion Picture being soft and noise reduced - It was shot with anamorphic lenses in the seventies so i expect some softness compared to some films shot today.

It was also shot with massive amounts of diffusion in order to hide the age of the cast, so I would expect this movie to be very soft indeed.

It was also shot with massive amounts of diffusion in order to hide the age of the cast, so I would expect this movie to be very soft indeed.

Yes but the term softness often confuses people and makes them think bad. When in reality softness doesn't always mean bad especially if you are getting the film the exact way it was shot and seen in the cinema without digital tools excessively sharpening or softening the original image when transferring to home formats. ( Thats a mouthful i just typed without a break )

Wrath of Kahn, looks a bit more ropey especially at the start but most of the grain has been kept, it looks a tad softer.

How did you get so soon? it doesn't street until may 12.

How is the audio and pic quality??

It is officially released in the UK on the 27th April but like retailers in the US some here ship early, I have had my set since the 22nd.

While its great seeing these films in HD, it has certainly made the zero-g sequence in VI comical as the wires holding up the actors and props are quite easily visible now.

It is officially released in the UK on the 27th April but like retailers in the US some here ship early, I have had my set since the 22nd.

While its great seeing these films in HD, it has certainly made the zero-g sequence in VI comical as the wires holding up the actors and props are quite easily visible now.

Are you sure you're seeing wires since they did use the then new digital wire erasure at the time. (Hook & T2 used it as well). I've seen production footage and the rigs were huge. When you know they're going to be digitally erased they make them stand out deliberately so they are easy to see for the FX team.

Wrath of Kahn, looks a bit more ropey especially at the start but most of the grain has been kept, it looks a tad softer.

How would you rate the quality overall? Khan is the one film I'm most interested in, but if it's not much of an improvement over the latest DVD release then I might have to reconsider buying it. I was hoping that the added attention to the source might have resulted in a nicer transfer.

Wrath of Kahn, looks a bit more ropey especially at the start but most of the grain has been kept, it looks a tad softer.

please explain what you mean by 'ropey':confused:.
thanks!

please explain what you mean by 'ropey':confused:.
thanks!

ropey or ropy
Adjective
[ropier, ropiest] Brit informal
1. poor or unsatisfactory in quality: a ropey performance
2. slightly unwell
ropiness n

Keep in mind that TWOK was a low budget film compared to TMP and was filmed on a stock than wasn't ideal for anamorphic photography. Also the DP, Gayne Rescher, had never shot a movie with anamorphic lenses before (he was primarily a TV director of photography both before and after this film.)

ropey or ropy
Adjective
[ropier, ropiest] Brit informal
1. poor or unsatisfactory in quality: a ropey performance
2. slightly unwell
ropiness n

Keep in mind that TWOK was a low budget film compared to TMP and was filmed on a stock than wasn't ideal for anamorphic photography.

thanks, that's what i was afraid of.:(

How would you rate the quality overall? Khan is the one film I'm most interested in, but if it's not much of an improvement over the latest DVD release then I might have to reconsider buying it. I was hoping that the added attention to the source might have resulted in a nicer transfer.

Although I've not seen the DVD I would imagine that the Blu-ray version is a fair upgrade. I thought the quality overall was OK.

Tonight I watched the Search for Spock. Quality was similar to the 1st movie, perhaps a bit better or at least more consistent. I hope the next one looks good because it's my favourite out of the 6.

Are you sure you're seeing wires since they did use the then new digital wire erasure at the time. (Hook & T2 used it as well). I've seen production footage and the rigs were huge. When you know they're going to be digitally erased they make them stand out deliberately so they are easy to see for the FX team.

I am sure, there is a scene where you can see a wire pull a klingon weapon out of a holster, a scene where you can see wires pulling up actors/props and during the scene where Gorkon is shot you can clearly see a wire holding him up.

I am not saying they are all easily scene but I had never noticed them at all on DVD and without trying to see them I spotted them when flicking through the BD.

If I knew how to take BD screenshots from PowerDVD I would post some pics.

How would you rate the quality overall? Khan is the one film I'm most interested in, but if it's not much of an improvement over the latest DVD release then I might have to reconsider buying it. I was hoping that the added attention to the source might have resulted in a nicer transfer.

I am not too sure about Khan as the majority looks fantastic, much more detailed and vibrant than I have ever seen it before but other shots (mostly model shots) seem to have a bluish tint which could be a restoration mistake or could be how the shots are ment to look.

...other shots (mostly model shots) seem to have a bluish tint which could be a restoration mistake or could be how the shots are ment to look.

I wonder:

Are these mostly the 65mm Trumbull/Dykstra/Yuricich stock shots which appear in the first half of the film -- the stuff that was re-used from Star Trek: The Motion Picture... or is it mostly the VistaVision stuff that Ralston/Veilleux shot at ILM which were done specifically for TWOK?

I ask because TMP had a bluer, muted palette compared to TWOK, which looks warmer overall. I'm not sure if they bothered to color-time the older stuff to match TWOK.

If I knew how to take BD screenshots from PowerDVD I would post some pics.

You can't. Due to copyright restriction frame capture is disabled.

I am not too sure about Khan as the majority looks fantastic, much more detailed and vibrant than I have ever seen it before but other shots (mostly model shots) seem to have a bluish tint which could be a restoration mistake or could be how the shots are ment to look.

It's deliberate. ST:III has it too, you could see it theatrically.

Star Trek IV is probably the worst looking so far. It looks like a typical "made for DVD" master with excessive EE and noise reduction. Disappointing.

Star Trek IV is probably the worst looking so far. It looks like a typical "made for DVD" master with excessive EE and noise reduction. Disappointing.

That sucks. Maybe I'll wait for these to be released individually. Currently I only own I and II of these 6 films on DVD, and those are really the only 2 I'm interested in if the others look like crap.

So is the consensus that these are not new transfers, or just that they are bad transfers?

It's sounding like it varies from movie to movie.

I think most people would be happy with the 1st 3. The 4th looks like an old master.

I wonder:

Are these mostly the 65mm Trumbull/Dykstra/Yuricich stock shots which appear in the first half of the film -- the stuff that was re-used from Star Trek: The Motion Picture... or is it mostly the VistaVision stuff that Ralston/Veilleux shot at ILM which were done specifically for TWOK?

I ask because TMP had a bluer, muted palette compared to TWOK, which looks warmer overall. I'm not sure if they bothered to color-time the older stuff to match TWOK.

The shots I noticed it on were where you see the Enterprise at the bottom of Regula then it pans up across the planet then you see the station and Reliant, this looks quite blue in my opinion as I am certain the planet was always brown but it now has a very blue tint.

Another shot is when the Enterprise leaves the orbit of the planet for the nebula, the planet again looks blue but I dont know whether this is how it is ment to look or if they have done something wrong during the restoration.

Anyone care to post some images of the packaging? Particularly the individual film cases? =)

Anyone care to post some images of the packaging? Particularly the individual film cases? =)

Here are some pics I took last Wednesday...

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/AndyPerkins00/STBDOuterFront.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/AndyPerkins00/STBDOuterBack.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/AndyPerkins00/STBDOuterClear.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/AndyPerkins00/STBDOuterSide.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/AndyPerkins00/ST1BDFront-1.jpg

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a205/AndyPerkins00/ST1BDBack.jpg

Each disc case follows the same theme as the one above but each has a different character on the front...

Star Trek I - McCoy
Star Trek II - Chekov
Star Trek III - Spock
Star Trek IV - Sulu
Star Trek V - Uhura
Star Trek VI - Scotty
Star Trek Captains Summit - Kirk

I hate those really thin cases but, oh well. I think I'm going to wait until this fall/winter when they release a box sett with all the movies in one (including the new Abrams film). I'll pick up TOS BD this week but really can't afford to get it and the movies so, I'll just wait on the movies.

I hate those really thin cases but, oh well. I think I'm going to wait until this fall/winter when they release a box sett with all the movies in one (including the new Abrams film). I'll pick up TOS BD this week but really can't afford to get it and the movies so, I'll just wait on the movies.
I've never understood the hate for thinpak cases. They're still shelf-height conforming and they allow box sets to take up less space.

The only time thinpak packaging bothers me is when it involves an obviously incomplete movie collection - the thinpak release of the first three Die Hard movies on DVD right before the fourth came out, for example.

I think thinpak is especially great for TV shows, though multi-disc Blu-ray cases have turned out better than their DVD counterparts so they're not as necessary there.

I prefer the thinpak cases. I'll probably get the set just to have on hand. Any word on TOS season 2?
J

Does the 7.1 remix actually use all seven channels or as i suspect is it overkill with the soundstage being mostly front heavy with the surrounds used for very occasional effects and music ambience.

The first movie has a fabulous music score. Have they used the 70mm 6 track mix for this release as the basis for the 7.1 channel track and how does the score for the original movie now sound ?

I don't mind the thin cases for a trilogy or complete collection of films.

Not that it matters much, but it would have been kind of nice if they used the original theatrical art for the movies. The white cover looks awful for TMP.

I don't mind the thin cases for a trilogy or complete collection of films.

Not that it matters much, but it would have been kind of nice if they used the original theatrical art for the movies. The white cover looks awful for TMP.

Its not actually white, its silver.

Here are some pics I took last Wednesday...
Thanks, looking forward to this release. =)

Does the 7.1 remix actually use all seven channels or as i suspect is it overkill with the soundstage being mostly front heavy with the surrounds used for very occasional effects and music ambience.

The first movie has a fabulous music score. Have they used the 70mm 6 track mix for this release as the basis for the 7.1 channel track and how does the score for the original movie now sound ?

There were no 70MM prints for ST:TMP.

They had no time, 35MM prints were express shipped to theaters, some were still drying while playing!

When they were making the Director's Edition, they remixed the sound using unused sound "beds" made for the first film but never mixed in due to time.

Can't wait to read a review of the PQ

I prefer the thinpak cases. I'll probably get the set just to have on hand. Any word on TOS season 2?
Jhttp://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1142504

(pardon the shameless thread promotion)

There were no 70MM prints for ST:TMP.

They had no time, 35MM prints were express shipped to theaters, some were still drying while playing!

When they were making the Director's Edition, they remixed the sound using unused sound "beds" made for the first film but never mixed in due to time.

I seem to recall the local Galashiels cinema proudly displaying a 70mm tag on Star Trek - The Motion Picture here in the UK when i saw the film.

Mind you i was only ten at the time and memory plays tricks on you so i'm probably wrong. It was the first ever film i saw at the cinema.

Yes i know about the remixing which was done for the directors edition but this is the theatrical cut so i am wondering about the sound on this particular edition as i imagine it is not using the remixed sound done for the directors cut due to other differences in that particular cut of the movie.

I just scanned through the entire collection and I was shocked it looks so damn good :)

Compared to the lousy DVD:s and HDTV versions this is a revelation :)

Sure it´s not perfect, there is a hint of DNR, but it´s FAR from vaxy and the fine details still there :)
Some shots makes me wonder if the movies was shot yesterday!

The SPX hold up very well in HD. Even though mattelines and other optical artifacts pop up from time to time. Though SOME of the SPX in ST:TMP suffers a LOT because the lack of time and money to finish them and they look even WORSE in HD :(

According to in70mm.com, ST:TMP was initially released only in 35mm, but there were some 70mm prints made later on.

I posted these in the Star Trek films 1-6 coming to Blu-ray on May 12th Thread over at AVForums:

I just have to say now actually, on closer inspection of these films, The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country have unfortunately fell victim to overuse of DVNR, and for most of their duration everybody looks like they are Madame Tussauds waxworks so I am not happy about that at all. At times it is so bad we are literally venturing into Evil Dead II territory folks, I kid you not.

Thankfully none of the other films are affected to this extremity, although each do feature some degree of mild DVNR. Many older films cleaned up do, but like the best of them here it isn't anything that overly hurts the visual presentation.

The way I would rate the picture quality as follows in retrospective as to how good these films could ever look on Blu-ray:

Star Trek: The Motion Picture *****/*****
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan *****/*****
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock *****/*****
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home **1/2/*****
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier ****/*****
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country **1/2/*****

Being an avid opposer of DVNR, especially heavy use of it I feel I am being generous here even with the already disappointing ratings I have given to the films in question.

They sound like the transfers that SKY-HD are showing atm, I recoreded most of them this past week and when I pick my box-set up on thursday I can A-B them

I also had The Wrath of Khan and The Search for Spock via their HD broadcasts to compare with the Blu-ray set.

Here is my post from AVForums:

I even saved the HD broadcast along with The Search for Spock on my SkyHD box so that I could compare them when I received the set. The verdict is they are simply no match (even when taking the bandwidth limitations into consideration) for the quality transfers on the Blu-ray equivalents which is of no surprise really. Let's just say the recordings I saved? Are saved no longer.

I gotta admit that I never watched any of the Star Trek movies but I always wanted to, maybe this will be my chance to watch them in glorious HD.

you guys that have viewed the s.t. blu ray movies, are any of you able to watch them thru a front projector and at least a 100" screen?
does the pq still hold up at that size?
thank you.

Ok got some shots from my friend taken from the new BRD's

What a let down frozen grain and major DNR and EE, not sure if buying them is worth it or not now :(
Search for Spock is by far the worst, STTMP by far the best

ST3
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STV
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ST4
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you guys that have the s.t. blu ray movies, are any of you able to watch them thru a front projector and at least a 100" screen?
does the pq still hold up at that size?
thank you.

Good question and thats one answer i would like to know as well.

From what i'm reading so far it seems Paramount went all cheap as far as the transfers go for most of these movies and if Star Trek VI is as bad as the person a few posts up says then that's just awful because i think it's one of the best in the series.

Looking forward to more reviews though.

Can anyone confirm if the original Dolby mixes are on these releases as well as the 7.1 remixes ?

Not much being said about the sound quality so far.

Ok got some shots from the new BRD's

What a let down frozen grain and major DNR and EE, not sure if buying them is worth it or not now :(
Search for Spock is by far the worst

No way, I'm watching The Search for Spock right now, the transfer is very good, it's as good as the first too. Don't be so quick to judge.

The only two that are indeed not very good at all to look at are The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country as I said before.

Those screenshots are also not representative of the actual quality. They aren't even full resolution, nor in motion, which is a whole different ball game.

No way, I'm watching The Search for Spock right now, the transfer is very good, it's as good as the first too. Don't be so quick to judge.

The only two that are in deed not very good at all to look at are The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country as I said before.

Whats your screen size and viewing distance and do you dislike movies with a grain structure and prefer them to be smoother with no grain ?

Just a few questions since i don't know your viewing criteria.

I'm on a 100" LCD display, and as I've made clear already "I have no love for DVNR".

I love seeing a grain structure and by viewing criteria the only transfers out of this set that are a huge disappointment are the ones for The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country.

I'm on a 100" LCD display, and as I've made clear already "I have no love for DVNR".

I love seeing a grain structure and by viewing criteria the only transfers out of this set that are a huge disappointment are the ones for The Voyage Home and The Undiscovered Country.

Can you look at the box and tell me if the original Dolby 2.0 sound mix is on the discs or just the 7.1 remixed sound.

Good question and thats one answer i would like to know as well.

From what i'm reading so far it seems Paramount went all cheap as far as the transfers go for most of these movies and if Star Trek VI is as bad as the person a few posts up says then that's just awful because i think it's one of the best in the series.

Looking forward to more reviews though.

Can anyone confirm if the original Dolby mixes are on these releases as well as the 7.1 remixes ?

Not much being said about the sound quality so far.
this is one of the sci fi movie sets i've been patiently waiting for (along with the star wars set, alien set, etc) and anything less than pristine or at least true to the actual film pq itself, i will be quite disappointed.

and then, of course, there is the audio.

Based on screenshots I saw (can't share them) of all 6 BDs they all basically have Truman Show levels of DNR (Khan might have less). Paramount is completely ****ing worthless when it comes catalog titles. Most of them on HDTV broadcasts had appropriate levels of grain, so they were purposely ruined for the BDs.