Monsters Inc and A Bug's Life BD [Text View]

Franin

02-22-09, 02:06 AM

I love Bugs and Nemo, but hate Monsters. I haven't met too many people who love all Pixar movies; and the opinions of which ones were the best are always wildly different. Oh well, still buying them.

well for me Pixar is the best I find all there movies are great. But my favourite from top to bottom is: (I want them all regrdless)

1. The Incredibles
2. Finding Nemo
3. Ratatoullie
4. Toy Story 1 and Toy Story 2
5. Cars
6. Bugs Life
7. Wall-E
8. Monsters INC

i've seen the new trailer of there upcoming UP movie which looks great.

tsb

02-22-09, 02:46 AM

I'm in the love all of them category

mike171979

02-22-09, 03:06 AM

What exactly do they mean by 2 disc with digital copy????

Because the Wall-E 3 disc set with digital copy, had 3 discs, but the 3rd disc was just the digital copy. The fact that Disney counts the digital copy disc on a DVD as a disc is a bit deceiving.

So is this going to be basically a 1 disc BD, with a 2nd DVD disc with just the digital copy on it?

Franin

02-22-09, 04:12 AM

j3cwill

02-22-09, 07:06 AM

My youngest daughter has not watched her DVD copy of Monsters Inc for quite a while after I told her that it was coming out on Blu-ray this year.

She is so stoked to hear the Boo laughing scene in lossless:)

My wife is excited about Bug's Life, and I am excited about both!!

soul embrace

02-22-09, 02:11 PM

I haven't met too many people who love all Pixar movies

i loved all pixar movies to date and i've ordered both also

BenjaminG

02-22-09, 04:22 PM

My 2.c, which after AUD to USD conversion, is nothing.

1. Wall-E
2. Ratatoullie
3. The Incredibles
4. Toy Story 1 and Toy Story 2
5. Bugs Life
6. Monsters INC
7. Cars
8. Finding Nemo

ElChupacabra

02-22-09, 05:02 PM

kdssrugby

02-22-09, 05:20 PM

From what I've heard Pixar is rerendering Toy story to 1080P, likely for the Blu and 3d releases. Also if you have Wall-e (and if you don't, go get it) check out the special feature on disc 2 about pixar. It has 1080p footage of all the pixar films and Toystory looks phenomenal (same with Monsters Inc and Finding Nemo).

ABBN

02-22-09, 05:31 PM

I remember reading that Toy Story was originally rendered in a lower resolution (something like 640p?). Does anyone know what A Bug's Life was rendered at?

EDIT:

Not sure how accurate this is, but I found it off another message board:

Toy Story: 1536x830
Bugs Life: 2048x871

Don't worry, they have all the original assets on back-up. The films will be re-rendered at 1920x1080, and with newer shader technology they will actually look better than before. No changes will be made to the films, although TS and TS2 will be in 3-D.

I have no idea if they will included 3-D versions for home release. If they do, I pray they give a full disc to each version. They pretty much ruined the DVDs with over compression by having widescreen and fullscreen versions on the same disc.

I'm still disappointed by Cars and Ratatouille. Here they gave us one of the best DVDs ever made with The Incredibles, and then they spit in our face with one disc versions with no bonus features or commentary. The Blu-rays had commentary and some extra bonus stuff, but not anything worthy of a Pixar film. What's worse is there were plenty of extras, and they split them into store exclusive DVD packs. Even the websites had more bonus features...

There's so much inconsistency.

mike171979

02-23-09, 08:32 PM

It seems it is going to be a 3 disc set, with the 3rd disc being a regular DVD with Digital Copy. The MSRP is going to be 40.99.

Seems high, and unlike Wall E this is going to be the only edition available it seems.

Gertjan

02-23-09, 11:23 PM

amillians

02-24-09, 12:49 PM

My understanding was that they rendered things much higher for film? Those figures strike me as low to be able to produce a good looking film to be shown in theaters?The numbers have creeped up since 1995, but here's a clip from an old Pixar article from December 1995:

Rendering for Feature Films

The production of Pixar's 3-D animated films begins with the development of scripts and storyboards. As a story is developed, the props and characters in the film are designed, described in minute detail, and then modeled. When it's time for action to take place, the models are laid out, the characters are animated, lighting is adjusted, and frames are rendered and output to film. Three of these steps require rendering power - animation, lighting, and final rendering.

Animation Test

Using control points on wireframe models, animators bring characters to life one shot at a time - one to ten seconds of film with a single camera angle. Pixar uses keyframe animation, where a few key movie frames are laid out by the animators and the intervening frames are generated by their proprietary modeling and animation software. Once a shot is animated, a coarse 3-D rendering is created for the director's review.

Animation test frames are rendered at a resolution of 360 by 216 pixels and require approximately 10 minutes of computing time per frame on a workstation-class machine. Timely feedback is important to speed the animators' creative process.

Lighting Test

When the animation for a shot is complete, lighting specialists add the textures and lighting that make the scene and characters appear realistic. Textures describe the color, patterns, as well as the specular qualities of surfaces. The light sources - sometimes dozens of them in a scene - are placed, and the shot is rendered for evaluation.

Pixar renders lighting test frames at a resolution of 720 by 432 pixels, requiring approximately 40 workstation-minutes per frame. Getting the lighting just right is difficult in any film, and a shot is often rendered several times before the lighting specialists are satisfied with the effects.

Final Rendering

When a shot passes both animation and lighting tests, final rendering is done. Pixar currently uses a resolution of 1536 by 922 with an effective 48 bits per pixel. First, the foreground where there is movement is rendered and stored with other frames in the shot. Next, the background is rendered, and then the foreground action is composited with the static background to form a complete frame. If the camera moves during a shot, both the foreground and background are completely rendered for each frame. Final rendering takes approximately 2.5 workstation-hours per frame before committing to photographic film.

Tom Monahan

02-24-09, 02:52 PM

The price is a joke for a catalog title in these economic times.

butsu

02-24-09, 09:15 PM

The price is a joke for a catalog title in these economic times.Disney BD's price is always in this way.The company don't care about yours fragile economic status.My apologise to tell you the fact in today's situation of your country.

depooter

02-24-09, 09:21 PM

The price is a joke for a catalog title in these economic times.

no one pays full MSRP. it will be under $26 and for me, well worth it...

Brandon B

02-25-09, 10:29 AM

Don't worry, they have all the original assets on back-up. The films will be re-rendered at 1920x1080, and with newer shader technology they will actually look better than before.

Toy Story will be re-rendered at 1920x1080, but Bug's Life's original render at 2048x871 (scope D-cinema) is pretty close to what it would end up at if they re-rendered for BD (1920x817), while keeping the scope aspect ratio. Being Pixar, I can't imagine they'd do anything but re-render it though.

BB

NetworkTV

02-25-09, 11:11 AM

The price is a joke for a catalog title in these economic times.
Sorry, but that's silly. BluRay discs are luxury items. You either buy them or you don't. Disney isn't a charity. Plenty of people will buy it at the actual price, and, in these economic times, they have obligations to both their shareholders and the employees on their payroll to generate that extra revenue.

We're not talking about overpaying for heat or water here. It's home video entertainment.

TayC

02-25-09, 11:11 AM

no one pays full MSRP

Exactly. You'd be a fool to do so.

spectator

02-25-09, 12:24 PM

I always love the "No one pays MSRP" defense.

Folks, higher MSRP = higher street price. It ain't rocket science.

RDarrylR

02-25-09, 12:32 PM

Exactly - most places use the same percentage discount for all Blu-rays.

Tom Monahan

02-25-09, 01:00 PM

I always love the "No one pays MSRP" defense.

Folks, higher MSRP = higher street price. It ain't rocket science.

Amazon usually sells for about 30% off so with the high MSRP price the cost of Monsters would be a little under $29. It's currently over $30 pre-order on Amazon today.

TayC

02-25-09, 01:07 PM

Tom Monahan

02-25-09, 01:16 PM

Sorry, but that's silly. BluRay discs are luxury items. You either buy them or you don't. Disney isn't a charity. Plenty of people will buy it at the actual price, and, in these economic times, they have obligations to both their shareholders and the employees on their payroll to generate that extra revenue.

We're not talking about overpaying for heat or water here. It's home video entertainment.

So other movie studios who's catalog titles street at $19.99 don't care about their employees or shareholders? Disney can lower their price and sell more copies at that price to acomplish the same thing. Just because people will purchase these titles at their high price doesn't mean they should have too. Making excuses for Disney is what I find silly.

ack_bk

02-25-09, 01:31 PM

Well, when I say I don't pay MSRP, I also don't pay high retail prices. While everybody was selling Wall-E for 29.99, I got it for 19.99. If you're good at looking for low prices you'll always be able to find them.

Exactly. I don't know why people always get so uptight about MSRP. The MSRP of Band Of Brothers is $99 and I picked it up for $42. Many people got it for even less (Amazon had it as low as $35). Pretty sure we will see these Pixar catalog titles for $19.99 and below at some point. You just have to be patient. If you must own it on release week then it is kinda hard to bitch about prices instead of waiting a few weeks for the price to drop via a sale.

Tom Monahan

02-25-09, 01:41 PM

Exactly. I don't know why people always get so uptight about MSRP. The MSRP of Band Of Brothers is $99 and I picked it up for $42. Many people got it for even less (Amazon had it as low as $35). Pretty sure we will see these Pixar catalog titles for $19.99 and below at some point. You just have to be patient. If you must own it on release week then it is kinda hard to bitch about prices instead of waiting a few weeks for the price to drop via a sale.

Why in the hell should one have to wait weeks to get these titles? Oh yeah, because it's priced too high by the movie to begin with. I live in a small town and other than Walmart and their small discount so amazon is my main source to purchase movies. If you think in a few weeks these titles will be at $19.99 you are a dreamer. Even on ebay it will take months for new copies to get at that price.

ack_bk

02-25-09, 01:51 PM

Why in the hell should one have to wait weeks to get these titles? Oh yeah, because it's priced too high by the movie to begin with. I live in a small town and other than Walmart and their small discount so amazon is my main source to purchase movies. If you think in a few weeks these titles will be at $19.99 you are a dreamer. Even on ebay it will take months for new copies to get at that price.

You don't have to wait weeks. You can choose to pay more and buy a movie on release week. Or you can choose to wait for a sale. It is that simple. I was an early adopter with DVD and it was the same way. It is up to you. Just look at recent movies like Eagle Eye, Madagascar2, Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E, Indy 4, Mummy 3, Transformers, etc. Those are just examples of some of the movies that if you waited just a few weeks after release week, you could have picked them up for $19.99 or less. Sleeping Beauty was the same way. Go look in the sales threads. I only buy a movie on release week if I absolutely cannot wait to watch it (ie TDK, QoS, etc). I can assure you I am not a dreamer. It is simply called being patient and waiting for a deal.

spectator

02-25-09, 01:59 PM

Well, when I say I don't pay MSRP, I also don't pay high retail prices. While everybody was selling Wall-E for 29.99, I got it for 19.99. If you're good at looking for low prices you'll always be able to find them.

Of course, but again, the higher the MSRP, the higher the street prices, so your argument does nothing to assuage the concerns of the people who are alarmed by the (relatively) high MSRPs of these titles. Yes, you can find good deals on any title, but the higher the MSRP, the less good a deal you will find. This is why you found Wall-E for $19.99 and not The Bourne Trilogy for $19.99.

spectator

02-25-09, 02:05 PM

I don't know why people always get so uptight about MSRP.

You don't have to wait weeks. You can choose to pay more and buy a movie on release week.

I think somebody just answered their own question!

It's really simple: MSRP defines street price. The higher the MSRP, the more you're paying for the title, whether you pay MSRP or not!

You got a great price on Band of Brothers, relative to MSRP. Good for you. If the MSRP on Band of Brothers had been $4.99, would your deal have been a good one?

Tom Monahan

02-25-09, 02:17 PM

You don't have to wait weeks. You can choose to pay more and buy a movie on release week. Or you can choose to wait for a sale. It is that simple. I was an early adopter with DVD and it was the same way. It is up to you. Just look at recent movies like Eagle Eye, Madagascar2, Kung Fu Panda, Wall-E, Indy 4, Mummy 3, Transformers, etc. Those are just examples of some of the movies that if you waited just a few weeks after release week, you could have picked them up for $19.99 or less. Sleeping Beauty was the same way. Go look in the sales threads. I only buy a movie on release week if I absolutely cannot wait to watch it (ie TDK, QoS, etc). I can assure you I am not a dreamer. It is simply called being patient and waiting for a deal.

If the MSRP was comparable to other studios one wouldn't have to wait weeks for a sale. Some of us don't want to be forced to wait because of Disney's high catalog prices on these two titles. I wish I had your patience but unfortunately I want everything yesterday;)

ack_bk

02-25-09, 02:26 PM

I think somebody just answered their own question!

It's really simple: MSRP defines street price. The higher the MSRP, the more you're paying for the title, whether you pay MSRP or not!

You got a great price on Band of Brothers, relative to MSRP. Good for you. If the MSRP on Band of Brothers had been $4.99, would your deal have been a good one?

MSRP is a reference, but just look at FOX MSRP prices. Their MSRP is $39.99 on most releases. Yet I have picked up many of these titles for $12-19 on various sales. Independence Day has an MSRP of $39.99. I waited a few weeks and a local B&M store had it on sale for $19.99. I also picked up Day After Tomorrow on the same sale for $19.99 and the MSRP is $39.99. Again, this was within a month or so of release.

Who knows? Maybe retailers will stick to their guns and keep the price of Bug's Life and Monsters Inc in the $27-30 range. But I would be very surprised if we do not see these titles in the $19-22 range on sale soon.

That is why I am willing to wait a few weeks. Especially on a catalog title where I already own the DVD.

And if prices are too high? There is always Netflix. ;)

ack_bk

02-25-09, 02:32 PM

If the MSRP was comparable to other studios one wouldn't have to wait weeks for a sale. Some of us don't want to be forced to wait because of Disney's high catalog prices on these two titles. I wish I had your patience but unfortunately I want everything yesterday;)

Then you will pay more. It is that simple. See my comment above. People were pissed when ID4 was released from Fox and pricing was $29-34 at most stores. I waited a few weeks and Shopko (local B&M) had it for $19.99. I really wanted that title on release week, but I simply refuse to pay more than $20 for a catalog title unless it is a special case.

Trust me. I love Pixar. I want these movies on release week, but there are so many titles coming out in March through May that I want to watch that I will most likely be able to wait a month or two to see what happens with the Pixar titles. IMHO, if retailers and Disney really stick to their guns and try to raise the street price of catalog titles like these in the current economy, they are in for a rude awakening. Many people will simply not buy the movies. I think the studios and retailers tend to prey on the collector types during the first couple of weeks. Is it wrong? Probably. But as long as people are willing to pay more on release week vs waiting a few weeks then they will keep doing this.

eddy_winds

02-25-09, 02:36 PM

Great news!

spectator

02-25-09, 02:36 PM

MSRP is a reference

Yes, and the higher it is, the higher prices will be.

just look at FOX MSRP prices. Their MSRP is $39.99 on most releases. Yet I have picked up many of these titles for $12-19 on various sales.

Whereas, if their MSRP were $29.99, like a lot of other studios/distributors, you'd be seeing a lot of stores sell those titles for $19.99 every day and for even less when on sale, just like is the case with those other studios/distributors' catalog titles.

And if prices are too high? There is always Netflix. ;)

Gee, there's a solution- let them eat cake.

TayC

02-25-09, 02:38 PM

So far, everybody has good points on this matter and every view has been valid. I think for me personally, high MSRPs don't bother me because like ack_bk said, it's what comes along with being an early adopter. If I can find a single title for 20 and trilogies or box sets for 50 or under, then I'm pretty happy. 14.99 for a Blu-Ray, and I'm ecstatic! Overall, though, I'm always doing my best to scour the net for deals on movies that are must-owns.

Tom Monahan

02-25-09, 02:50 PM

Then you will pay more. It is that simple. See my comment above. People were pissed when ID4 was released from Fox and pricing was $29-34 at most stores. I waited a few weeks and Shopko (local B&M) had it for $19.99. I really wanted that title on release week, but I simply refuse to pay more than $20 for a catalog title unless it is a special case.

Trust me. I love Pixar. I want these movies on release week, but there are so many titles coming out in March through May that I want to watch that I will most likely be able to wait a month or two to see what happens with the Pixar titles. IMHO, if retailers and Disney really stick to their guns and try to raise the street price of catalog titles like these in the current economy, they are in for a rude awakening. Many people will simply not buy the movies. I think the studios and retailers tend to prey on the collector types during the first couple of weeks. Is it wrong? Probably. But as long as people are willing to pay more on release week vs waiting a few weeks then they will keep doing this.

Very well said:)

ack_bk

02-25-09, 02:51 PM

Yes, and the higher it is, the higher prices will be.

Whereas, if their MSRP were $29.99, like a lot of other studios/distributors, you'd be seeing a lot of stores sell those titles for $19.99 every day and for even less when on sale, just like is the case with those other studios/distributors' catalog titles.

Gee, there's a solution- let them eat cake.

It is what it is. Don't like the prices don't buy. I purchased my first DVD player the year they were released. FOX and Disney tended to have higher MSRP's back then on DVD and they are following the same formula on Blu-Ray it seems. And we won't even discuss Laser Disc pricing :) I don't work for the studios. I am not advocating for higher prices. As I stated, I would rather wait a week, a month, or even a couple of months for a good sale on a catalog title vs buying it on release week for a price that I feel is too high.

I have always felt that most Blu-Ray movies should be within $5 or so of the DVD version. Bug's Life and Monster's INC DVD versions (2 disc collectors edition) sell for $18.49 at Amazon right now. I personally would not pay more than $23 for these movies on Blu-Ray and I would love to pay under $20. Someone else may think that $29 is a great deal for this movie because of their love for it.

As a side note, I personally feel that Pixar and Disney Blu-Ray movies are of the highest quality and am willing to pay more for such a title than, say, a lower bitrate Warner title on a BD25 that has lossy audio and little in the way of extras. IMHO, Pixar and Disney appear to really put time and effort into their BD releases and paying a premium over other studios is okay by me. But obviously within reason :)

Tom Monahan

02-25-09, 02:54 PM

Tom Monahan

02-25-09, 03:02 PM

It is what it is. Don't like the prices don't buy. I purchased my first DVD player the year they were released. FOX and Disney tended to have higher MSRP's back then on DVD and they are following the same formula on Blu-Ray it seems. And we won't even discuss Laser Disc pricing :) I don't work for the studios. I am not advocating for higher prices. As I stated, I would rather wait a week, a month, or even a couple of months for a good sale on a catalog title vs buying it on release week for a price that I feel is too high.

I have always felt that most Blu-Ray movies should be within $5 or so of the DVD version. Bug's Life and Monster's INC DVD versions (2 disc collectors edition) sell for $18.49 at Amazon right now. I personally would not pay more than $23 for these movies on Blu-Ray and I would love to pay under $20. Someone else may think that $29 is a great deal for this movie because of their love for it.

As a side note, I personally feel that Pixar and Disney Blu-Ray movies are of the highest quality and am willing to pay more for such a title than, say, a lower bitrate Warner title on a BD25 that has lossy audio and little in the way of extras. IMHO, Pixar and Disney appear to really put time and effort into their BD releases and paying a premium over other studios is okay by me. But obviously within reason :)

I forgot how much we paid for LD's back in the day. Most were $30 plus but I remember seeing JFK for $50.:eek:

spectator

02-25-09, 03:15 PM

I am not advocating for higher prices.

Not precisely, but you are questioning the validity of someone's complaint about them which, from my perspective, seems little different.

If you can find good deals, great!

If you have the patience to wait for better prices, great!

Why, though, do you suggest that MSRP has no meaningful impact on customer prices? It's just a silly position to take and I would equate an attempt to invalidate someone's disapproval of a higher-than-industry-standard MSRP to an attempt to describe Blu-ray as of no noticeable improvement versus DVD.

spectator

02-25-09, 03:22 PM

LD prices are irrelevant to this issue. Back in the day, I happily paid $100 a pop (and sometimes even more) for several titles on LD and I got great value out of them. I also agree that the quality of Pixar's releases and their home video production is pretty much second-to-none and, for me, worth every penny they ask.

All of this is beside the point which is that these titles list above the industry-standard going rate for Blu-ray catalog titles in 2009. As incredible a value as I think these titles represent (and as much as I would've happily paid much more for them in years past), they indicate an attempt at setting a trend toward higher pricing and I think it's perfectly reasonable for a consumer to be bothered by that and make note of it.

ack_bk

02-25-09, 03:44 PM

All of this is beside the point which is that these titles list above the industry-standard going rate for Blu-ray catalog titles in 2009. As incredible a value as I think these titles represent (and as much as I would've happily paid much more for them in years past), they indicate an attempt at setting a trend toward higher pricing and I think it's perfectly reasonable for a consumer to be bothered by that and make note of it.

Fair enough and I agree. My point all along is that I rarely pay attention to MSRP prices and focus more on actual street prices. If raising the MSRP does result in less sales and higher street prices then it is a bad thing. And I made this point earlier with regards to the economy and the fact that the DVD version of these movies is $18 (street price). I think anything in the $19-23 and under price range for these movies on Blu-Ray is a fair street price. If the retailers and studios keep these movies well above this pricing ($27-34) then I will simply not buy the movies or will go the used route at some point. And I will be the first to complain. I know several Disney insiders and will happily voice my displeasure. But it is too early to tell what will happen with street price of these titles. We will know more come June/July if we have not seen any decent sales. I have paid under $22.xx each of the Pixar titles that I have owned on Blu-Ray. If I cannot find either or both of these titles within the $22-23 price range then I will gladly complain.

EDIT. I did pay $29.xx for Nightmare Before Christmas on Blu-Ray at Target. But, I had a $5 off coupon and a $25 gift card and could not pass it up. That is the most I have ever paid for any Disney title, and this was one of those movies that I made an exception for as it is one of my personal favorites. Ironically enough, I ended up getting a rebate for this movie and Ratatouille on Blu-Ray when I purchased my Panasonic BD35 recently :)

RDarrylR

02-25-09, 03:47 PM

ack_bk

02-25-09, 03:53 PM

I noticed in the first page several people mentioned that these movies will have movie cash for UP! ?

Is that true? If so, that does make the higher pricing a little easier to swallow. As I was planning on taking my son to see this in the theater and the movie cash may save my up to $20 for two tickets. Anyone have any info on this?

Toe

02-25-09, 04:18 PM

$20 is my limit for a single title and most titles I have purchased have been well under that, but this does require playing the wait game sometimes and looking for deals. Once in a while I will make an acception to that rule, but VERY rarely. It is worth it to me to wait and get a deal, but everyone needs to figure this out for themselves obviously.

kdssrugby

02-25-09, 05:06 PM

I`m in the same bout as Rdarryll (being a Canuck), and I hate Amazon.com at the moment. Not only do they charge international shipping (12.95 US) but they also add an import fee, contrast this with only 6 months ago when there was no import fee and it only cost about $6 to ship. Add the conversion to Canuck dollars and it costs more than to buy it here. And prices stay higher longer (i.e. Eagle Eye, Tropic Thunder, Cloverfield, The Mummy 3, Wanted etc are all $32). While the price is still high, I ll still grab Monsters Inc .

xb1032

02-25-09, 06:58 PM

Personally i'm concerned more about the trend and the economic times we're in. Look i'll buy this Blu-ray for $29 if that is what it is but I don't like the idea that prices are going up as Blu-ray as becoming more popular and the economy is going down the toilet. I'm in Canada BTW where all the prices are about 20-25% higher than in the US and there are far less Blu-ray deals going around. Waiting a month or two for the price on a Blu-ray here usually doesn't get you much of a deal.

If Disney would sell the BD only and another option with the BD, DVD, and Digital copy then we wouldn't have to pay so much. I'm not liking this new trend from Disney. The only thing the digital copy and DVD do for me is force me to pay a higher price. :(

RDarrylR

02-25-09, 07:32 PM

In the case of these two though I don't think they have the DVD version of the movie - just a digital copy.

ack_bk

02-25-09, 09:30 PM

In the case of these two though I don't think they have the DVD version of the movie - just a digital copy.

I believe you are correct:

Source:
http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Disc_Announcements/Disney/Two-Disc_Monsters,_Inc._Coming_to_Blu-ray_this_May/2518

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Pixar/Disney/Disc_Announcements/Pixar/Disney_Set_May_Date_for_A_Bugs_Life/2519

thehdroom is reporting that both movies will come with movie cash for "UP!" Which is a big plus for me and may push me to buy these titles sooner than later. Typically you save $10 or so with the movie cash. So I could potentially save $20 by buying both titles, as we were planning on seeing "UP!" in the theater anyway. I used the movie cash from my all the Bond movies and it was great. 6 of us went to see QoS and nobody paid a dime :)

http://www.thehdroom.com/news/First_Monsters_Inc._and_A_Bugs_Life_Blu-ray_Details/4305

xb1032

02-26-09, 12:03 PM

Oh OK. I just "assumed" that would be the case as it's beginning to be the trend. The movie cash does make the offering more appealing as I know me, the wife, and some nieces and nephews will be going to see UP!.

spectator

03-05-09, 02:54 PM

The frustration, for me, with the movie cash is that the theatre I want to see Up in is likely to be packed and since you can buy advance tickets online now (but not with movie cash!), I suspect I'm not going to be able to use the movie cash for a good while after release.

LilGator

03-05-09, 03:11 PM

bookcase3

03-05-09, 03:56 PM

In the case of these two though I don't think they have the DVD version of the movie - just a digital copy.

That makes the steep price on these sting even more!

xb1032

03-06-09, 12:36 AM

You guys are spouting all this "economic times" nonsense and forget about this little thing called inflation.

$20 ain't what it used to be.

If money is an issue, this sure shouldn't be your hobby.

A BD is worth what people are willing to pay for it. As long as people are willing to pay $30, that's what it's worth.

Disney also happens to be making the highest quality discs right now. There's no question they're worth what they're asking.

Blu-Ray is not a cheap hobby but considering that Disney blu-ray movies have been $23.95 on Amazon for a long time it's a little frustrating to see the price go up when prices should be coming down. And these are catalog titles not new releases.

kucharsk

03-06-09, 02:09 AM

Franin

03-06-09, 02:23 AM

you guys are spouting all this "economic times" nonsense and forget about this little thing called inflation.

$20 ain't what it used to be.

If money is an issue, this sure shouldn't be your hobby.

A bd is worth what people are willing to pay for it. As long as people are willing to pay $30, that's what it's worth.

Disney also happens to be making the highest quality discs right now. There's no question they're worth what they're asking.

+1

Dave Mack

03-06-09, 03:03 AM

If Disney would sell the BD only and another option with the BD, DVD, and Digital copy then we wouldn't have to pay so much. I'm not liking this new trend from Disney. The only thing the digital copy and DVD do for me is force me to pay a higher price. :(

Bingo. I already own the DVDs and digital copies are completely useless to me.

Franin

03-06-09, 08:37 AM

Bingo. I already own the DVDs and digital copies are completely useless to me.

Like you Dave don't care for digital copies either. I wonder how long it will last??

butsu

03-06-09, 08:43 AM

Like you Dave don't care for digital copies either. I wonder how long it will last??I think it's useless for me.I want a big screen and surround sound,Mate.The Transporter 3 BD was great,Do you watch it yet?:)

Franin

03-06-09, 08:54 AM

I think it's useless for me.I want a big screen and surround sound,Mate.The Transporter 3 BD was great,Do you watch it yet?:)

Nope!

xb1032

03-06-09, 02:06 PM

Yes but they're catalog titles they know will sell in huge numbers.

A majority of Disney catalog titles fit the same criteria.

You simply cannot compare most studios' catalog titles to the sales Disney has been able to generate with theirs, Pixar's titles included in that.

I've still got my $125 Toy Story CAV laserdisc box set…

No one is questioning the qualite of these titles. Pixar rules when it comes to quality! But, they've been selling Pixar titles for the same price for quite some time. The problem now is that disney wants to pack their movies fully loaded and because of this they have to raise the prices. I like what they did with Wall-E and Narnia and offer two packages.

I'm in to home theater and I watch my movies on my plasma (and soon to be front projection). So why would I have any interest in watching a movie on a 19" LCD monitor or for that matter an ipod? I don't need the DVD either. There are people out there that may like those features but to have a choice would be nice. I can afford the movies but I'd rather have extra upcharge and put it towards something worthwhile. And if studios want mass adoption of blu-ray they need to realize that hiking up prices are only going drive non-enthusiasts away. I'll still buy them and I think Disney does a fantastic job with most of their releases. I'm just venting. :)

BTBuck1

03-06-09, 02:15 PM

You guys are spouting all this "economic times" nonsense and forget about this little thing called inflation.

$20 ain't what it used to be.

If money is an issue, this sure shouldn't be your hobby.

A BD is worth what people are willing to pay for it. As long as people are willing to pay $30, that's what it's worth.

Disney also happens to be making the highest quality discs right now. There's no question they're worth what they're asking.

I find it entertaining, you have people complaining here about BD prices, and you have many members importing HD-DVD copies of Grind house and other titles for $60+ when it's available here on BD for more than half that price...

:rolleyes:

NetworkTV

03-06-09, 02:43 PM

You guys are spouting all this "economic times" nonsense and forget about this little thing called inflation.
Not to mention, what happens when the economy improves? Is it okay for them to raise the price? We'll all have money then, right?

Would I like the price to be lower? Heck, yeah! But, it's Disney's and Pixar's property to sell at whatever price the deem right for them to maximize revenue. If people don't buy it at that price, it goes down.

However, if people do, then that, in fact, was a fair price. People are willing to pay what they're willing to pay. It's the goal of every company to find the price that will net the most revenue while avoiding overcharging to the point where the masses refuse to buy in.

The fact is, these are high demand titles. They can demand that kind of pricing because people will pay it. That's the business model. Asking any company to lower their price just because you personally don't like it when others are willing to pay is unrealistic.

NetworkTV

03-06-09, 02:48 PM

Like you Dave don't care for digital copies either. I wonder how long it will last??
About as long as it takes until BD drives in computers, portable BD players and sub-$100 set top players reach majority market saturation. Until then, the lack of portability is a huge downgrade for people over DVD.

The only reason this even happened was because if they don't, people will pirate their own "digtial copy". When they do that, it's only a step further to avoid buying the BD release all together and just download the copy.

If BD drives were more common, it would be a non-issue. People could watch them on the go in their laptop and those with a little tech savvy could rip the BD and compress it to a DVD for the car or Ipod.

We may only care about watching this stuff on our hometheater screens, but more and more, people want to take media with them. As a result, for many outside the HT snob crowd, this is a value-added feature.

Dazog

03-06-09, 10:12 PM

About as long as it takes until BD drives in computers, portable BD players and sub-$100 set top players reach majority market saturation. Until then, the lack of portability is a huge downgrade for people over DVD.

The only reason this even happened was because if they don't, people will pirate their own "digtial copy". When they do that, it's only a step further to avoid buying the BD release all together and just download the copy.

If BD drives were more common, it would be a non-issue. People could watch them on the go in their laptop and those with a little tech savvy could rip the BD and compress it to a DVD for the car or Ipod.

We may only care about watching this stuff on our hometheater screens, but more and more, people want to take media with them. As a result, for many outside the HT snob crowd, this is a value-added feature.

People who pirate get better quality copies than these so called "Digital Copy" anyway, and oh yea the pirated ones don't have DRM.

They need to quit punishing us who CHOSE to buy a bluray by making us buy a digital copy, if anything it should be FREE to promote sales away from an already superior pirated product.

Just my little rant.

Johnpv

03-07-09, 01:23 AM

NetworkTV

03-07-09, 04:33 AM

People who pirate get better quality copies than these so called "Digital Copy" anyway, and oh yea the pirated ones don't have DRM.

They need to quit punishing us who CHOSE to buy a bluray by making us buy a digital copy, if anything it should be FREE to promote sales away from an already superior pirated product.

Just my little rant.
The problem is, in most cases, the digital copy version is only a few dollars more. Considering you'll pay that much or more for an "I-Tunes" type of copy in order to watch it on your non-BD laptop, most people will buy the version the the DC.

Take Wall-E, for example: Amazon has the single disc edition for $17.99. The Three disc edition that includes the digital copy is only $5 more. That's not a terrible markup for the ease in having that copy. Granted, it would be nice if it were a regular DVD with just the movie, but I think many people will consider that extra stuff worth the markup. Some won't, but many will.

The thing is, the BD version with the extra quality (and an extra disc) and BD live content is only $2 more than essentially the same thing on DVD (with no BD Live access).

Johnpv

03-07-09, 01:43 PM

The problem is, in most cases, the digital copy version is only a few dollars more. Considering you'll pay that much or more for an "I-Tunes" type of copy in order to watch it on your non-BD laptop, most people will buy the version the the DC.

Take Wall-E, for example: Amazon has the single disc edition for $17.99. The Three disc edition that includes the digital copy is only $5 more. That's not a terrible markup for the ease in having that copy. Granted, it would be nice if it were a regular DVD with just the movie, but I think many people will consider that extra stuff worth the markup. Some won't, but many will.

The thing is, the BD version with the extra quality (and an extra disc) and BD live content is only $2 more than essentially the same thing on DVD (with no BD Live access).

The difference though is that Wall E gave you the option. If you didn't want the digital copy you didn't need to buy that version of the BD. Both of these are only coming as one version. You know 5 - 7 bucks forced on you after a few movies adds up.

Dave Mack

03-07-09, 05:00 PM

The difference though is that Wall E gave you the option. If you didn't want the digital copy you didn't need to buy that version of the BD. Both of these are only coming as one version. You know 5 - 7 bucks forced on you after a few movies adds up.

exactly. I have nothing against the idea of digital copies, (even though I have a zune and not an ipod and they don't work for me) and I do not watch movies on my laptop. Just don't make me pay for something that is useless to me. I don't even need an extra "dvd" copy as I already have these on DVD. Just give me the dang Blu Ray...

Want to help kill a floundering format? Make people pay extra for something they very well might not want or need. The economy sucks. People are getting laid off all over the place. Blu Ray is a long way from being mainstream and might never get there, (most of my friends are more excited by netflix streaming HD, whatever it's called even if it IS only 720P) so don't make the software ANY more expensive to buy than it needs to be IMHO....

sb1

03-07-09, 05:33 PM

I could philosophize all day about our economy and Disney's BD/DVD/Digital copy decisions, but in the end I'm still getting these two movies on BD.

xb1032

03-07-09, 11:47 PM

exactly. I have nothing against the idea of digital copies, (even though I have a zune and not an ipod and they don't work for me) and I do not watch movies on my laptop. Just don't make me pay for something that is useless to me. I don't even need an extra "dvd" copy as I already have these on DVD. Just give me the dang Blu Ray...

Want to help kill a floundering format? Make people pay extra for something they very well might not want or need. The economy sucks. People are getting laid off all over the place. Blu Ray is a long way from being mainstream and might never get there, (most of my friends are more excited by netflix streaming HD, whatever it's called even if it IS only 720P) so don't make the software ANY more expensive to buy than it needs to be IMHO....

I agree. And if you buy enough movies the extra $2-$4 per movie adds up. And for many of us the digital copies and such are useless. Some here may not value their hard earned cash(or possibly want the extra features), but high priced catalog titles for a format that hasn't been fully adopted yet is not a good thing in this economy at least.

xb1032

03-07-09, 11:48 PM

I could philosophize all day about our economy and Disney's BD/DVD/Digital copy decisions, but in the end I'm still getting these two movies on BD.

Yeah, I am too (although I'm not a prone to jump on Bug's Life quite as quickly). :)

RDarrylR

03-07-09, 11:53 PM

I'll still be buying both of these but I'm not very happy about the upward price trend. It's going the wrong direction.

NetworkTV

03-08-09, 08:12 AM

Johnpv

03-08-09, 12:19 PM

It's officially confirmed there won't be a version without it?

They've only announced and shown 1 version of each of these. Both coming with the digital copy.

I'll still be buying them but it would be nice to be given the choice to save the money and not have to buy a version with a disc that will never be used.

Brandon B

03-08-09, 03:25 PM

exactly. I have nothing against the idea of digital copies, (even though I have a zune and not an ipod and they don't work for me) and I do not watch movies on my laptop.

The WMV version won't work on a zune?

Dave Mack

03-08-09, 03:59 PM

I agree. And if you buy enough movies the extra $2-$4 per movie adds up. And for many of us the digital copies and such are useless. Some here may not value their hard earned cash(or possibly want the extra features), but high priced catalog titles for a format that hasn't been fully adopted yet is not a good thing in this economy at least.

exactly. My hours at work have been cut so I have been cutting way down on spending. So I don't appreciate having to pay extra for something I don't want or need.

Dazog

03-09-09, 11:21 AM

The problem is, in most cases, the digital copy version is only a few dollars more. Considering you'll pay that much or more for an "I-Tunes" type of copy in order to watch it on your non-BD laptop, most people will buy the version the the DC.

Take Wall-E, for example: Amazon has the single disc edition for $17.99. The Three disc edition that includes the digital copy is only $5 more. That's not a terrible markup for the ease in having that copy. Granted, it would be nice if it were a regular DVD with just the movie, but I think many people will consider that extra stuff worth the markup. Some won't, but many will.

The thing is, the BD version with the extra quality (and an extra disc) and BD live content is only $2 more than essentially the same thing on DVD (with no BD Live access).

NOT in Canada, its about 5-8 dollars more for these so called Digital Copies, so it isn't a deal at ALL.

rlindo

03-10-09, 01:47 PM

ack_bk

03-10-09, 01:53 PM

I look forward to these discs but like most, I wish there was the option without the dig copy crap.

I have thrown away the access code sheet for every single blu-ray I have got with a dig copy disc. They are meaningless to me and I'd like to save the couple bucks by not having them nor have i even attempted to check out a dig copy. Hell, I don't know if you truly even need that access code thing.

Funny how some (not implying anyone in this thread) no doubt busted on hd-dvd for the format's combos as being useless and paying for something they would not want but are fine with this dig copy crap. I was not big on hd-dvd combos but I'd rather have a blu-ray combo than this stuff.

Digital copies are not useless to me, but I do agree that I would rather have two SKU's. One with DC (and a copy of the DVD) and one without (without being cheaper). I would buy the without.

As for HD DVD combos, I shudder at the thought of my kids handling those flipper discs for kids movies. Was not ever a fan of the combo discs. I would rather not go down that path for Blu-Ray. Ever.

cardaway

03-10-09, 03:22 PM

Bottom line - of enough people buy the versions with digital copies, Disney and other studios will continue the process. I suspect they're seeling just fine given the number of people out there who are perfectly happy to watch these movies on a tiny screen.

I don't like paying mroe for them either, but I understand I'm in the minority. I just I might eventually use one or two in the future. Hope the codes don't expire at some point.

Brandon B

03-10-09, 03:29 PM

Morpheo

03-10-09, 03:44 PM

I don't like paying mroe for them either, but I understand I'm in the minority. I just I might eventually use one or two in the future. Hope the codes don't expire at some point.

I think they do expire but I'd guess you have plenty of time to use them...

Dazog

03-10-09, 04:14 PM

spectator

03-10-09, 04:23 PM

It probably costs Disney about a dime to add the digital copy disc to the set. This allows them to:

1. charge $5 more per BD
2. save the advertising and retail-chain education, production, warehousing and distribution costs associated with a dual-inventory release

The benefits of 2, alone, surely cover the added production cost ($0.10 or whatever). Why would they do anything else? Everyone complaining about having to buy the digital copy answers their own "Why are you forcing me?" question by admitting that if they could buy a $5-cheaper version, they would. This, folks, is precisely why they won't sell it to you!

cardaway

03-10-09, 05:42 PM

When they don't offer a version without digital versions included, they will never see people not wanting them, kinda makes it easy to Assume everyone does.

Obviously I was referring to cases where there are both. In those cases I have went for the one with the digital copy.

Frank Derks

03-10-09, 06:06 PM

tooskinneejs

03-11-09, 08:19 AM

Anyone else notice that Amazon changed the Monsters, Inc. page to "sign up to be notified..." ...instead of "Pre-order now"? Is it being delayed?

butsu

03-11-09, 11:03 PM

Is it possible to cut out the digital copy and decrease the price too?I am not a cheapskate but it's always completely useless for me.

Spizz

03-12-09, 12:48 AM

Looks like Monster Inc is getting delayed. DVDPacific have also change the date to 2025 :)

stumlad

03-12-09, 01:09 AM

Why offering a digital copy for these titles? Folks with kids already have these titles on DVD.
From Wall E they learned that most early adopters went with the less expensive br option. For these releases it seems they removed that option.

Smart from Disney.

Back when Prince Caspian and Wall-E came out, if you remember, they offered 2-disc and 3-disc versions. If the 3 disc sold well enough, it would mean people were interested in digital copy. Amazon seemed to have an initial higher price on the 3 disc, but as the release date got closer, the 3 disc was being sold for the same price (or even less) than the 2 disc. IMO, this created a false demand.... with the option "2 disc for 25, or 3 disc for 25", most people will go for the 3 disc. I don't know about B&M stores, but either way, now Disney thinks we want it. To clarify - this was for digital copy... Does Bug's Life come with digital copy or a DVD version?

Dave Mack

03-12-09, 01:21 AM

They also probably don't want to include a perfectly good DVD that you could give say, a friend, relative that doesn't have BD yet and might want the film. A digital copy is much less likely to be passed on. All of mine just sit there in the cases....

By only offering a BD version with the extra $ for the digital copy, they are FORCING everyone to buy this one version. BD is NOT doing all that great. We are in a depression/recession. Stop artificially jacking the prices up, Disney. Do you WANT BD to fail?!?!? Most 5-7 year old kids wouldn't know the difference between dvd and BD even on a 92" screen and therefore wouldn't care...

Franin

03-12-09, 01:23 AM

IMO, this created a false demand.... with the option "2 disc for 25, or 3 disc for 25", most people will go for the 3 disc.

Spot on! Going by what you said Its something about us humans, regardless we don't use it we will still take it because in a way it's like were getting it for free.

Franin

03-12-09, 01:26 AM

Most 5-7 year old kids wouldn't know the difference between dvd and BD even on a 92" screen and therefore wouldn't care...

I agree with that. My daughter who is 5 when we watch a movie in the HT room I tell her about the PQ and AQ and shes like shut up daddy im trying to watch the film.

stumlad

03-12-09, 01:28 AM

Spot on! Going by what you said Its something about us humans, regardless we don't use it we will still take it because in a way it's like were getting it for free.

Yup... but after receving it from amazon and realizing it was an oversized case, I would have rather bought the 2 disc :)

spectator

03-12-09, 08:25 AM

My daughter who is 5 when we watch a movie in the HT room I tell her about the PQ and AQ and shes like shut up daddy im trying to watch the film.

Your daughter has her priorities straight. :)

Franin

03-12-09, 08:28 AM

Your daughter has her priorities straight. :)

She certainly has:D

rolltide1017

03-12-09, 09:10 AM

The only reason I bought the Wall-E 3 disc set was because it was the same price as the 2 disc version at my local Wal-Mart when it came out.

Franin

03-12-09, 09:28 AM

The only reason I bought the Wall-E 3 disc set was because it was the same price as the 2 disc version at my local Wal-Mart when it came out.

Exactly! I would of too.

David_MSP

03-12-09, 09:40 AM

Looks like Monster Inc is getting delayed. DVDPacific have also change the date to 2025 :)
I have this sneaking suspicion that Disney decided it does not want to compete with itself by releasing two of their anticipated titles on the same day. I can't imagine it's because something's not ready. Of course, wouldn't you know, of the two titles to which I'm most looking forward, they decide to delay the one I really wanted. Oh well. It'll come out eventually.

spectator

03-12-09, 09:48 AM

There have been a few leaks lately about the upcoming, but not yet announced, Monsters, Inc. 2. I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see the Monsters BD delayed to coincide with an announcement. If this is the case, I would also expect it to be a fairly short delay.

RDarrylR

03-12-09, 11:02 AM

spectator

03-12-09, 11:06 AM

So MI 2 will be direct to video?

No. What gave you that idea?

RDarrylR

03-12-09, 11:18 AM

This quote did...

If this is the case, I would also expect it to be a fairly short delay.

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 11:24 AM

This quote did...
I think it meant that once the announcement of part 2 takes place, it will get people excited about seeing part 1 - and buying it on BD.

It's like how demand for the Young Indiana Jones sets went up when Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was in production.

RDarrylR

03-12-09, 11:27 AM

Oh ok - I can see how it could be read that way now. I'm hoping the delay is only weeks or a small number of months though.

Brandon B

03-12-09, 12:41 PM

Spot on! Going by what you said Its something about us humans, regardless we don't use it we will still take it because in a way it's like were getting it for free.

It's funny. In Tokyo, the drink vending machines often have 12 oz and 8 oz sizes of the same drink, both priced a 110 yen. The Japanese will often buy the smaller one because that is all they are thirsty for. An American would almost certainly go for the larger one specifically using the logic you mention.

So I don't think it is a matter of human nature, it is more cultural.

Maxx_75

03-12-09, 12:52 PM

It's funny. In Tokyo, the drink vending machines often have 12 oz and 8 oz sizes of the same drink, both priced a 110 yen. The Japanese will often buy the smaller one because that is all they are thirsty for. An American would almost certainly go for the larger one specifically using the logic you mention.

So I don't think it is a matter of human nature, it is more cultural.

lol If I was only thirsty for 8 oz. I would still buy the 12 oz but not for cultural reasons. The extra oz. help keep the oz. I am drinking cold. Its a thermodynamic issue. :D

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 01:01 PM

lol If I was only thirsty for 8 oz. I would still buy the 12 oz but not for cultural reasons. The extra oz. help keep the oz. I am drinking cold. Its a thermodynamic issue. :D
I do the same thing with coffee - except it's hot and not soda at all... ;)

djgcue

03-12-09, 03:14 PM

giantchicken

03-12-09, 03:24 PM

Just got the same e-mail from Amazon and I'm pretty irritated. Bug's Life is not my favorite Pixar movie and I was really looking forward to Monsters. I guess this also means that the May 2010 Pixar Blu-ray slot is no longer available for Nemo or Incredibles.

spectator

03-12-09, 03:26 PM

My wallet says: :cool:

My eyes and ears say: :mad:

spectator

03-12-09, 03:27 PM

I guess this also means that the May 2010 Pixar Blu-ray slot is no longer available for Nemo or Incredibles.

The indefatigable optimist says maybe Nemo or Incredibles will replace Monsters in the May, 2009 slot.

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 03:46 PM

Monsters Inc delayed until 5/2010. Per Amazon email:

Hello from Amazon.com.

We're writing about the order you placed on February 24 2009 08:04 PST (Order#
102-xxxxxxxxxxxx). Unfortunately, the release date for the item(s) listed below
has changed, and we need to provide you with a new delivery estimate based on the
new release date:

Billy Crystal, et al "Monsters Inc [Blu-ray]" [Blu-ray]
Estimated arrival date: 05/12/2010 - 05/18/2010

If there are other items in your order, they'll be shipped according to the delivery
estimates listed in the order details in "Your Account"
I'm thinking this has to be an error. I can't remember the last time Disney nailed down a release date for a catalog title that far in advance.

If it really were being pushed back that far, I would think it would simply become a "release date unknown" thing, especially considering the potential things that could cause such a delay.

Right now, that date is over a year away. I don't believe it. I mean, that's a catastrophic loss of data type of delay and for that, they wouldn't put a hard date on addressing the issue unless they knew they could restore a backup - which would not take a year to do with a digital movie. If it meant scanning film in, then the disc isn't worth it, anyway. Film on Blu-Ray wouldn't be a huge improvement over a digital path on DVD. You'd trade resolution for grain and DNR.

spectator

03-12-09, 03:53 PM

I'm sure the new date is just a placeholder. They had to plug something into the form email.

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 04:00 PM

I'm sure the new date is just a placeholder. They had to plug something into the form email.
No they didn't. I've encountered several times where they've simply said something is not going to be available.

I'd rather it go to unknown rather than a far out date that may or may not be accurate.

Besides, we haven't even gotten to 5/12/2009 yet. I'm not convinced it's not a typo.

spectator

03-12-09, 04:01 PM

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 04:19 PM

Maybe they know it's going to be released in the next few months, but don't know the date, so they wanted to use the email that says "delayed" rather than the one that says "not coming out". Just guessing here.
That's what I meant.

I've had cases where I've gotten a "the following item has been delayed. Currently, we are unable to provide a shipping estimate for this item" message.

spectator

03-12-09, 04:26 PM

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 04:35 PM

In that case, I'm inclined to believe it is a real date. Disney proper may not plan their video releases that far ahead, but we already know that Pixar does. They're timing the Toy Story BDs to follow the 3D theatrical re-releases over the next year +. Monsters, Inc. 2 is in development, so they probably have something up their sleeve.
Except we're talking home video, not theatrical releases. Neither of the two announce titles over a year in advance for home video. Also, Monsters 2 is well more than a year off. The date still doesn't jive.

Something is up here, but I don't think the date tells the story.

spectator

03-12-09, 04:38 PM

Except we're talking home video, not theatrical releases. Neither of the two announce titles over a year in advance for home video. Also, Monsters 2 is well more than a year off. The date still doesn't jive.

Pixar haven't announced those home video titles that far in advance, but they've publicly spoken about their plans for them.

And I'm not saying they'll time it for the Monsters 2 release, necessarily; just for something having to do with that release: an announcement, a teaser, etc.

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 04:43 PM

I'm saying, come mid-May (of this year), we see a revised disc offering - possibly one with no digital copy. I stand by that.

spectator

03-12-09, 04:46 PM

I'm saying, come mid-May (of this year), we see a revised disc offering - possibly one with no digital copy. I stand by that.

What possible incentive would they have to do that?

giantchicken

03-12-09, 04:54 PM

If the e-mail date was 100% accurate, I don't think they would have pulled the product page. It is no longer available for preorder. Do a search. All we have now is the same kind of placeholder page as Star Wars and LOTR, where you can ask to be notified when info is available. The fact that they pulled the preorder option and don't show a price or release date means more to me than the e-mail they sent. It's almost certainly off the calendar at this point. Time will tell...

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 05:01 PM

What possible incentive would they have to do that?
Sell it on on I-tunes? Maybe they aren't liking the early data on the digital copies. Maybe they came to their senses and are offering the choice to not get the version with the digital copy.

Perhaps the focus group didn't like it.

spectator

03-12-09, 05:01 PM

Take it from Sammy Hagar, "Only time will tell if we stand the test of time!"

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 05:03 PM

Take it from Sammy Hagar, "Only time will tell if we stand the test of time!"
That's Warner Records...wrong company... ;)

spectator

03-12-09, 05:03 PM

Maybe they aren't liking the early data on the digital copies.

The data says it costs them almost nothing to make and allows them to charge $5 more per sale. What's not to like?

NetworkTV

03-12-09, 05:07 PM

The data says it costs them almost nothing to make and allows them to charge $5 more per sale. What's not to like?
Actually, I've been seeing most price differences at around $3. It also doesn't cost them "almost nothing". It's a separate encode (and no two are alike for any two projects), a separate disc pressing, an extra slot case and it's yet another resource expended for registering and activating the thing.

Plus, the ROI really hasn't been determined on these things.

Maxx_75

03-12-09, 05:09 PM

Take it from Sammy Hagar, "Only time will tell if we stand the test of time!"

hehe.... Thats deep man..... deep.

soul embrace

03-12-09, 05:29 PM

looks like monsters inc got delayed till may of 2010..............i got an email from amazon today saying it has been delayed to may 5th 2010 :-(

i hope it turns out to not be true.....

RDarrylR

03-12-09, 06:12 PM

Wow that really sucks if true :(

soul embrace

03-12-09, 06:47 PM

Wow that really sucks if true :(

i know

kdssrugby

03-12-09, 07:06 PM

What's funny about the delay (at least to me) is that the trailer for it on Pinocchio basically pulls the same prank. In the trailer the monsters are just about to "enter into our world" but then the foreman says false alarm, have to wait until Spring. But hopefully Amazon is wrong.

Franin

03-12-09, 08:16 PM

Franin

03-12-09, 08:19 PM

It's funny. In Tokyo, the drink vending machines often have 12 oz and 8 oz sizes of the same drink, both priced a 110 yen. The Japanese will often buy the smaller one because that is all they are thirsty for. An American would almost certainly go for the larger one specifically using the logic you mention.

So I don't think it is a matter of human nature, it is more cultural.

Well in Australia most are the same we will take the larger one:)

spectator

03-12-09, 09:22 PM

I think I figured out the delay! The production lines will be busy pressing corrected Pinocchio discs with Jiminy Cricket saying "Right!" :D

kdssrugby

03-12-09, 09:42 PM

Ya, that and putting the grain back in ;)

Brandon B

03-12-09, 10:16 PM

I work at the Mouse, although not the studio, and I have not heard anything about an MI2 project being in anything like even early preproduction. One theory I have heard is that they have moved the BD release because of the release of Aliens vs. Monsters.

Anyone have a link to these rumors of a Monsters sequel? Wouldn't be the first time I was surprised by something I didn't know about.

Franin

03-12-09, 10:20 PM

spectator

03-13-09, 12:13 AM

One theory I have heard is that they have moved the BD release because of the release of Aliens vs. Monsters.

If that's the case, they have an incompetent working on their release scheduling since the opening of Monsters Vs. Aliens has been locked since looooooooooong before the Monsters, Inc. BD was announced.

Anyone have a link to these rumors of a Monsters sequel?

The Pixar Blog (http://pixarblog.blogspot.com) is a good place to start.

NetworkTV

03-13-09, 03:01 AM

The Pixar Blog (http://pixarblog.blogspot.com) is a good place to start.
I wouldn't exactly call that a be all - end all source since they have nothing to do with Pixar.

phisch

03-13-09, 04:09 AM

Bummer that this is being delayed, but it would be nice if they really are coming out with a sequal.

spectator

03-13-09, 08:26 AM

I wouldn't exactly call that a be all - end all source since they have nothing to do with Pixar.

Did I?*

*hint: No. :D

NetworkTV

03-13-09, 10:29 AM

Did I?*

*hint: No. :D
No, I just said I wouldn't... ;)

The fact is, without something directly from Disney, I would take all of this with way more than a grain of salt - just don't let it spike your blood pressure in the process... :D

spectator

03-13-09, 10:39 AM

No, I just said I wouldn't... ;)

Touche! :D

The fact is, without something directly from Disney, I would take all of this with way more than a grain of salt - just don't let it spike your blood pressure in the process... :D

Indeed. Sage advice. I do really wonder what's going on with this. It sounded like Jeff Kleist was right around the corner from some definitive word last night, but things have been pretty silent since. More than anything, I'm just dying of curiosity... okay, that's not true. The truth is: I WANT THESE RELEASES! I WANT THESE RELEASES! MIKE WAZOWSKI! MIKE WAZOWSKI! MIKE WAZOWSKI!

Brandon B

03-13-09, 12:23 PM

If that's the case, they have an incompetent working on their release scheduling since the opening of Monsters Vs. Aliens has been locked since looooooooooong before the Monsters, Inc. BD was announced.

My understanding was the date was chosen as a tie-in to promote this:

http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2008/12/tokyo-disneyland-monsters-inc-ride-and.html

for which the grand opening is coming up. So priorities may have just changed. Might be nice not to sling names around without anything resembling all the facts at your disposal.

The Pixar Blog (http://pixarblog.blogspot.com) is a good place to start.

2013 release. That would make sense and would not be something I would have even heard about. However, they are not pushing the release of the BD back that far, so it has little bearing on the discussion here.

spectator

03-13-09, 12:30 PM

Might be nice not to sling names around without anything resembling all the facts at your disposal.

Wha?! The names of two movies? That's the only names I've been "slinging". :confused:

Monsters, Inc. 2 and Monsters Vs. Aliens, if you're out there and I've offended you by mentioning your names without knowing all the facts about you, I apologize. It was not my intent to offend you, only to watch you, enraptured, and avoid you like the plague, respectively.

However, they are not pushing the release of the BD back that far, so it has little bearing on the discussion here.

And you just directed me not to suppose without knowing all the facts. Tsk! Tsk! I wouldn't (and didn't) suggest they'd push it back to tie to the release of the movie... as I've already pointed out, earlier in the thread.

Brandon B

03-13-09, 01:58 PM

I was referring to the "incompetent" label you applied to the unknown individual who is in charge of the BD release date.

And they aren't pushing the BD release date back to 2013. That is a fact.

What's with the combativeness?

spectator

03-13-09, 02:43 PM

I was referring to the "incompetent" label you applied to the unknown individual who is in charge of the BD release date.

You're the one who speculated that pulling the release was a response to Monsters Vs. Aliens. When I countered that this would mean the release scheduler wasn't doing her/his job, you brought up the Tokyo Disneyland attraction opening instead.

Huh? :confused:

And they aren't pushing the BD release date back to 2013. That is a fact.

I don't recall anyone saying they are.

Huh? :confused:

What's with the combativeness?

Sorry. Being accused of judgmentally commenting on individuals from a position of ignorance tends to put me on the defensive.

Will-san

03-17-09, 07:30 PM

looks like we will see monsters in November (http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2494).... fingers crossed

joerod

03-17-09, 07:38 PM

If it comes in time for Holiday Season then I'm good. :)

Franin

03-18-09, 01:46 AM

If it comes in time for Holiday Season then I'm good. :)

Me too :)

Brandon B

03-19-09, 08:53 AM

You're the one who speculated that pulling the release was a response to Monsters Vs. Aliens. When I countered that this would mean the release scheduler wasn't doing her/his job, you brought up the Tokyo Disneyland attraction opening instead.

Huh? :confused:

Not my speculation personally, but yes, I introduced it to the thread. You commented that if that were the reason, the person making the schedule change was incompetent as that was not a new development. My take is that without knowing any other facts that might have led to the decision, that is kind of a severe characterization. In other words, that may have been one of several priorities involved in such a decision. The tie in to the Tokyo attraction is something I do know to be a fact, though, that's why I brought it up. But video release scheduling is not remotely my field, so maybe your characterization is apt.

I don't recall anyone saying they are.

Huh? :confused:

Somewhere back in the thread someone had commented that perhaps it was being delayed to correspond with a theatrical release of a rumored sequel. Which is where I came in asking for info as I had heard nothing about that. The site you pointed me to mentions a 2013 release date. So by inference, delaying the BD to promote that sequel would require a 2013 release for the BD as well. It wasn't you (or anyone explicitly) who said that. But we agree, plainly it is not the case. So I am not seeing how that is an example of me supposing without knowing the facts.

Sorry. Being accused of judgmentally commenting on individuals from a position of ignorance tends to put me on the defensive.

Well, I certainly wouldn't (and didn't) call you ignorant, you appear pretty knowledgeable about the industry, certainly more than I am. I just don't think the hypothetical simplified situation wherein the release date is moved due to the other film would warrant a label of incompetent, even in the unlikely scenario that this were the sole reason, which I assume you don't directly know is the case. But, as I said, not my field.

Franin

03-19-09, 09:03 AM

I think Amazon USA took it off it's list. I still have my one ordered through the canadian site though!

giantchicken

03-23-09, 04:19 PM

It made me sad to see to see this advertisement inside the package for Bolt:

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8591/monstersk.jpg

pcweber111

03-23-09, 06:43 PM

Ah well plans change, I can wait. I'll enjoy A Bugs Life.

jbug

03-26-09, 01:07 PM

Without going through each page to see if already posted, is the soundtrack in lossless 6.1? I know Monsters had one but don't remember BL having one.

colombianlove41

03-26-09, 03:28 PM

i read the release coincides with "Up" being released in Nov.

giantchicken

03-26-09, 05:58 PM

I would have rather had both of these in May and The Incredibles in November to coincide with Up. But oh, well.

Franin

05-07-09, 11:01 AM

Mine still shows Monster to be shipped on the 22 of May. Looking forward to see if it happens.

soul embrace

05-07-09, 06:24 PM

Mine still shows Monster to be shipped on the 22 of May. Looking forward to see if it happens.

mine is show a delivery date of june 5th now. it was showing may of 2010

JWhip

05-07-09, 06:42 PM

Received A Bug's Life this afternoon and gave it a brief spin. Looks and sounds spectacular!

Franin

05-07-09, 07:39 PM

mine is show a delivery date of june 5th now. it was showing may of 2010

Mine still shows this year!

soul embrace

05-07-09, 08:20 PM

Mine still shows this year!

yea mine is show june of 2009 instead of may 2010

GizmoDVD

05-07-09, 11:20 PM

Looks like the decision to delay Monsters Inc came late as the pamphlet still says "More Titles Available with Blu-ray Digital Copy" with Monsters Inc pictures

Not only that they have a "Now Available on Blu-ray" for Monsters Inc. trailer

Case lists 5.1 DTS MA. On screen Audio menu lists 5.1 DTS MA. My S550 displays 3/2.1 as well. Now, I only have a 5.1 setup so it may be downmixing. Tested Wall-E, another 6.1 title, and shows the same thing. Wonder why Disney screwed up on 5/6 typo again?

Also included is a Digital copy, free ticket to see Up! and a slip cover.

Franin

05-07-09, 11:54 PM

Received A Bug's Life this afternoon and gave it a brief spin. Looks and sounds spectacular!

Looking forward in getting bugs life :)

DigitalfreakNYC

05-08-09, 06:32 PM

UGH.

For anyone that cares, the Music only and Sound effects only tracks are gone from this release.

As a huge fan of movie scores and as a sound designer, this sucks :(

coati858

05-11-09, 05:54 PM

Received A Bug's Life this afternoon and gave it a brief spin. Looks and sounds spectacular!

::sigh:: One more to add to the "buy" list. My kids will be elated.:)

spectator

05-11-09, 11:17 PM

It's 817 and in the correct ratio. As for whether it was scaled or re-rendered, I'm not sure, but I believe I recall reading something about a re-render and there are two other pieces of evidence in favor of it being re-rendered, one direct and the other circumstantial.

1. It was re-color timed. Being a digital product, this in and of itself, pretty much necessarily means a re-render of at least some kind. May as well use the target resolution, right?

2. This is the circumstantial one: Pixar's never been known to half-ass it. 100% full ass.

ABBN

05-14-09, 12:51 AM

UGH.

For anyone that cares, the Music only and Sound effects only tracks are gone from this release.

As a huge fan of movie scores and as a sound designer, this sucks :(

What the heck, man... what the heck. Apparently it's too hard for them add two audio streams already finished.

Since people love to hate me, I'll say it again. I'm boycotting this garbage. If it's worth doing, it's worth doing right, the first time.

Aguapolo17

05-14-09, 12:00 PM

I'd buy it if it was just the movie with the normal sound... no bonus features, no nothing. I must be the type who ruins blu-rays for everyone.

If I'm not mistaken, that Speed Racer boycott over it being on a BD-25 worked out extremely well :)

markrubin

05-15-09, 08:30 AM

if you see a problematic post, please just report it to the mods to handle...and please don't quote it or respond to it

posts deleted and other actions taken

jrcorwin

05-15-09, 09:03 AM

We have top notch audio and video. No reason to boycott IMO anyway. To each his own.

spectator

05-15-09, 09:50 AM

I've been an active video hobbyist for 20+ years, and I think this may be the first time I've ever seen the word "boycott" appear in relation to a missing extra.

Franin

05-15-09, 10:36 AM

Just curious has anyone heard anymore about Monsters Inc? any ready to ship yet?

Darth Indy

05-15-09, 11:37 AM

Just curious has anyone heard anymore about Monsters Inc? any ready to ship yet?

I believe the rumored date for it is sometime in November to coincide with UP's home release.

spectator

05-15-09, 11:40 AM

I believe the rumored date for it is sometime in November to coincide with UP's home release.

The French release has apparently just been announced for the middle of July.

giantchicken

05-15-09, 11:42 AM

Amazon says mine will be delivered on May 5th, 2010.

soul embrace

05-15-09, 02:38 PM

Just curious has anyone heard anymore about Monsters Inc? any ready to ship yet?

my preordered copy at amazon.com now says it will be delivered around june 5th. it used to say may of 2010

coati858

05-15-09, 03:59 PM

my preordered copy at amazon.com now says it will be delivered around june 5th. it used to say may of 2010

:confused: Wat? Did they move it back again? Or do they mean June 5th, 2010?:eek:

Or is Amazon just as confused as we are?

soul embrace

05-15-09, 06:02 PM

:confused: Wat? Did they move it back again? Or do they mean June 5th, 2010?:eek:

Or is Amazon just as confused as we are?

i think amazon might be confused as well, i'm a prime member so it didn't get moved back to the original date. when you look up monsters inc on amazon it just says this title has not yet been released. so i don't think the date on my preorder is right either

Franin

05-16-09, 10:10 AM

i think amazon might be confused as well, i'm a prime member so it didn't get moved back to the original date. when you look up monsters inc on amazon it just says this title has not yet been released. so i don't think the date on my preorder is right either

Mine is from Canada still saying 22 of May. I'm hoping:)

Franin

05-18-09, 07:32 AM

Mine is still scheduled to ship tomorrow the 19th. Interested to see what happens.

Schils

05-18-09, 10:23 AM

I was on the fence with A Bug's Life....think I've just been nudged, lol....looks like another demo disc from Disney!

I suddenly feel happy with my deciding to skip Ferris Bueller, figured something would show up very soon to spend that money on and this will be it!

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/37287/bugs-life-a/

leng jai

05-19-09, 06:20 AM

Is there an Australian release date for A Bugs Life?

Toe

05-19-09, 10:40 AM

Got this coming from Netflix today.....looking forward to checking it out (I have never seen the film) after I watch the Nuggets beat up on the lakers!:D

modiGTI

05-19-09, 10:41 AM

I was hoping there would be coupons like they had for Bolt but o well. I'll be picking this up today.

jbug

05-19-09, 10:45 AM

Mine is shipping from Netflix today also (Bugs Life).

vpn75

05-19-09, 11:29 AM

I got my copy from Amazon, but was disappointed to see that it didn't come with movie cash for Up!

I wonder if they will send it by email like they did with the X-Men trilogy for Wolverine.

RDarrylR

05-19-09, 11:50 AM

Went to Walmart here in Canada today and they were clueless of this release. I guess i'll try again in a few days or go to a different store.

Maxx_75

05-19-09, 12:11 PM

I got my copy from Amazon, but was disappointed to see that it didn't come with movie cash for Up!

I wonder if they will send it by email like they did with the X-Men trilogy for Wolverine.

Well if they do it like they did with the X-Men movies the people that pre-ordered wont get the movie cash. Amazon is getting very shady with the way that they do business lately. Yet they managed to make a healty profit so screwing their customers must be good for business.

RDarrylR

05-19-09, 12:16 PM

Well I am an Amazon.com shareholder :)

It's too bad they starting charging that extra import fee to Canadian customers. I had to be one of their biggest Canadian customers before that happened last year.

modiGTI

05-19-09, 12:53 PM

I just picked a copy up and the movie cash is definitely a nice bonus. I had no idea they were going to include that. :)

Paul Arnette

05-19-09, 01:09 PM

Given that the movie cash is hit or miss, shocking, I know, I will pass until this goes on sale.

robertc88

05-19-09, 01:46 PM

Doubt I'll buy it as I don't own very many animated films. I'm anxious to check it out though. I do remember liking it and the upgrade in quality should only reiterate my feelings about the movie.

At this point though, I think these movies really need separate threads going forward though some of the info already posted here may get lost in transition.

Waboman

05-19-09, 01:56 PM

I can't wait for Monsters, Inc. on BD. Probably my all time favorite Pixar movie.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:MxvEAyl4oQZ-ZM:http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~mueller/teaching/its102/monsters_inc_pic_02.jpg

alex_s

05-19-09, 05:08 PM

Monsters Inc is out in Japan (please check Amazon.co.jp or HMV.co.jp or Yesasia.com - I'm not allowed to post links yet)

stumlad

05-19-09, 06:22 PM

Got my Bug's life and it came with a ticket to UP. I didnt even know it was going to, so it made the ridiculous price of this more bearable.

xb1032

05-19-09, 06:49 PM

Too bad Monster's Inc isn't out yet. Wonder whatever happened to Nemo which was supposed to be out this Spring let alone the Incredibles is what I'm looking most forward to.

lgans316

05-19-09, 06:54 PM

Monster's Inc - Pics of Japanese release

Source: http://choppytan777.blog113.fc2.com/

http://blog-imgs-19.fc2.com/c/h/o/choppytan777/2009051917460624c.jpg
http://blog-imgs-19.fc2.com/c/h/o/choppytan777/20090519174612e28.jpg
http://blog-imgs-19.fc2.com/c/h/o/choppytan777/2009051917484761e.jpg
http://blog-imgs-19.fc2.com/c/h/o/choppytan777/2009051917542025b.jpg

Audio: English DTS-HD MA / Japanese DTS-HD MA
Subtitles: English, Japanese

DigitalfreakNYC

05-19-09, 09:34 PM

Monsters Inc is out in Japan (please check Amazon.co.jp or HMV.co.jp or Yesasia.com - I'm not allowed to post links yet)

$53...not including shipping. Oy.

dpeters11

05-19-09, 10:46 PM

Given that the movie cash is hit or miss, shocking, I know, I will pass until this goes on sale.

I thought I'd do wel with this one, they listed my theater of choice. But when I got the certificate, it said good for one child admission up to $8.50. I have no kids. I'm going to take it anyway and see if they'll accept it. If we go at night to avoid the kids I'll pay the buck or two difference if they'll take it.

The box makes no reference that it's restricted to a child's ticket. Don't they know that adults go to see these movies too?

soul embrace

05-19-09, 11:12 PM

just watched a bug's life tonight and all i can say i wow.........i don't have a 1080p capability so i watching it in 1080i and it still looked great. i can only imagine what it looks like in 1080p

vazel

05-19-09, 11:17 PM

I thought I'd do wel with this one, they listed my theater of choice. But when I got the certificate, it said good for one child admission up to $8.50. I have no kids. I'm going to take it anyway and see if they'll accept it. If we go at night to avoid the kids I'll pay the buck or two difference if they'll take it.

The box makes no reference that it's restricted to a child's ticket. Don't they know that adults go to see these movies too?Yea, if you go to a children's movie without kids you're creepy.

j/k, it's cool if you go with girlfriend/wife.