Lionsgate to release another version of T2 on May 19, 2009. Story here (http://www.videobusiness.com/blog/1650000165/post/1750040975.html).

The cool titled edition will include new lossless DTS-HD master audio -- excellent. Plus the movie will come with 140-minutes of behind-the-scenes multi-media galleries, storyboard-script views, commentaries, quizzes and games. And BD Live will have more games.

Intriguing, but it makes no mention if it is the longer cut or has an improved transfer.

Seems they're going to spend more time coming up with dumb new titles for their releases of this movie than they are actually giving us a first class video representation of this classic.

Here is a pic of the endoskull

Intriguing, but it makes no mention if it is the longer cut or has an improved transfer.

They are using the same master as the old edition but Van Ling who is working on the transfer has said it will be cleaned up and they are looking to get the theatrical and extended cuts on the same disc with DTS HD Master audio and all the extra's from the old release.

They will redo the film with a new transfer for it's 2011 twentieth anniversary but they need Cameron involved before they can make a new transfer and it's the same situation with Aliens but Cameron is busy right now working on Avatar.

They are using the same master as the old edition but Van Ling who is working on the transfer has said it will be cleaned up and they are looking to get the theatrical and extended cuts on the same disc with DTS HD Master audio and all the extra's from the old release.

They will redo the film with a new transfer for it's 2011 twentieth anniversary but they need Cameron involved before they can make a new transfer and it's the same situation with Aliens but Cameron is busy right now working on Avatar.
Then why not just hold off until 2011 to release it? I can wait.

Then why not just hold off until 2011 to release it? I can wait.Because they want all of us to spend our money on this release and then spend more money on the 2011 release. They are just milking it for all they can.

Here is a pic of the endoskull

I'll be getting it :D -

Limited Edition T2 Complete Collector's Set priced at a whopping $174.99. Is it worth it? You decide: As well as the Skynet Blu-ray disc, the six-disc Collector's Set will include the Extreme Edition DVD and Ultimate Edition DVD of the movie, a 14-inch T-800 Endoskull bust with light-up eyes and sound effects, and a disc with a digital copy of the film playable with iTunes of Windows Media.


Love this sort of stuff.

Pass until the anniversary release with a new transfer.

You know, it seems it takes so damn long to get Cameron to sign off on new transfers, I almost fear that by the time the most recent remaster of The Abyss is finally approved and released, it will already be considered unremarkable due to advancements in technology and methodology and increased expectations during the long wait.

Here is a pic of the endoskull

Considering the listed price, I have a feeling that even much of the most devoted T2 fans will get head elsewhere. :D

I don't want to wait another two years or more for the anniversary edition and as I haven't purchased T2 since the Ultimate Edition on DVD, I think I'll probably pick up this Skynet edition on Blu-ray if it's actually cleaned up (not processed, mind you) with a good encode. So... yeah. I'm glad they're not waiting until mid 2011.

$175? Give me a proper transfer and audio and keep the movie props.

But dude, their throwing in two previous DVD editions with the Blu Ray in that set!!!! How can you say no? :D

Yeah I'm waiting till 2011, I've already seen more behind the scenes of T2 than I ever wanted to. I'll take a barebones release with extended cut and proper lossless audio thank you very much.

Me too. (barebones release with extended cut and proper lossless audio)

Me too. (barebones release with extended cut and proper lossless audio)

Me three.

I'll wait for the new transfer, I already have the original Blu release.

One day I will be able to read the words : New master restored from various sources to bring you the best picture on a BD50 with DTS-HD, but not today.
Will still buy it as I am a sucker for T2 and love to compare and contrast

I was going to be all over this until I saw the pricetag. I love the movie and the franchise, but that much? *ouch* On just T2, I've already double dipped on the laserdisc once and the DVD at least twice. I was holding out for the extended version on BD.

I have the last two DVD versions and the extended HD-DVD version. I think I'm finished buying this movie. When I think about it, I also had this in VHS and Laser Disc.

They are using the same master as the old edition but Van Ling who is working on the transfer has said it will be cleaned up and they are looking to get the theatrical and extended cuts on the same disc with DTS HD Master audio and all the extra's from the old release.


i'm afraid

I can wait until 2011.

And if THAT edition will look as soft and dull as the BD/HD-DVD versions out now. Then to hell with it!! I´ll stick with my UK disc.

It seems like we will NEVER get a SHARP edition of T2 ;)
I hope they go back to the negatives and do it PROPERLY this time.

I wonder how many more editions we will see of T2 in the future.
Feels like Lions Gate and the other companies are releasing two editions every year. Enough already!! ;)

Then why not just hold off until 2011 to release it? I can wait.

The main reason is there is a little film called Terminator:Salvation coming out in May;)

I'm excited for Salvation, but that doesn't mean I'm going to buy yet another copy of T2 that doesn't look any better than what I have now.

I swear it is going to take a treatment like they did with Blade Runner to get me to replace my Japanese steel.

I'll happily wait until 2011.

I own the Japanese steelbook as well as the German HD DVD Steelbook, the French HD DVD version and the UK HD DVD version so hell ya I'll be picking this uber edition up as well make it a 5 peat for me with T2.

Then why not just hold off until 2011 to release it? I can wait.

You are kidding, right....?

How many times has T2 been released before on different media...?

They are using the same master as the old edition but Van Ling who is working on the transfer has said it will be cleaned up and they are looking to get the theatrical and extended cuts on the same disc with DTS HD Master audio and all the extra's from the old release.

They will redo the film with a new transfer for it's 2011 twentieth anniversary but they need Cameron involved before they can make a new transfer and it's the same situation with Aliens but Cameron is busy right now working on Avatar.

Did Van Ling or someone else actually confirm that a new transfer is coming in 2011?

I don't understand all the "I'll wait for the extended edition" comments. It IS on this release, as shown here. (http://bluray.ign.com/articles/955/955785p1.html)

"Skynet" edition? Does that mean I have to worry about it taking over the "interweb" if I have my Blu-Ray hooked up to the net?:eek:

Come on now, there just trying to milk it again and why not? The new movie opens up at the same time, so if you work in marketing you would have to be dumb not to release anything Terminator related.

I don't understand all the "I'll wait for the extended edition" comments. It IS on this release, as shown here. (http://bluray.ign.com/articles/955/955785p1.html)

People get there Blu news from IGN? ouch.

Waste of money and time if this one ain't a remaster.

I'll grab it, I've got the first Lionsgate BD release, but it was on the cheap, so I don't even really feel like this will be double dipping. Especially if it includes the extended version via seamless branching. The DTS HD MA is just icing on the cake for me. =)

Interesting package and new high res. sound,a consider to buy for me.

Did Van Ling or someone else actually confirm that a new transfer is coming in 2011?

On the home theater forum there is a growing thread and Van Ling is answering questions on it and did confirm this although it's all dependent on James Cameron being available to oversee a new transfer though and he's a busy man.

It's why it might be a long wait before we see films like True Lies and The Abyss on Blu Ray and a new transfer of Aliens. For big name directors like Cameron it's sometimes written into their contract that new transfers to DVD or the home market must be overseen or approved by them now of course for older films they directed like Aliens that won't be the case but the studio wants to keep in the guy's good books so will not authorize a new transfer of Aliens unless Cameron is available to okay it.

He is just too busy with Avatar right now and producing the remake of The Fantastic Voyage and i believe Battle Angel after that.

If we are lucky Titanic will get released on Blu Ray this year because the master they have is a new one for the last DVD release but i think Cameron might like to see the completed but not used documentary put into any future release - Now that's my speculation but the reason it wasn't included on the last DVD release of Titanic was because Leonardo wasn't available at the time for interviews and if they can get some and include it then i believe that documentary will be released.

I do seem to recall that True Lies had a new master approved and the DVD was ready to come out but delayed after 9/11. Indeed Van Ling has already stated that The Abyss has had a new transfer of both cuts of the film and they are just waiting on Cameron signing off on it then they can release it both on DVD and Blu Ray.

It's already a fact that Lowry are doing the work with the approval of Cameron's production company Lightstorm a new film scan of the original The Terminator so that one is getting the deluxe best treatment possible.

Can someone quickly list what HD versions are currently available and rate them in order of picture quality?

Example:
1. Studio Canal HD DVD, Dir & Theatrical Cut, DTS MA 5.1
2. Lionsgate BD: etc, etc, etc

Thanks!

All existing HD versions are apparently derived from the same master. Everything else is just compression quality and codec.

I still have my T2 Ultimate DVD and I'm fine with it until this mythical remaster in 2011 shows up.

Dear God, it's beautiful. I need that endoskull. Hopefully Amazon or somewhere similar will have a good pre-order price for it.

Now I'm just waiting to see what gets done with the original film, which hits its 25th anniversary this year.

Can someone quickly list what HD versions are currently available and rate them in order of picture quality?

Example:
1. Studio Canal HD DVD, Dir & Theatrical Cut, DTS MA 5.1
2. Lionsgate BD: etc, etc, etc

Thanks!

1. UK/FR BD/HD DVD releases
2. DE HD DVD release
3. US BD

though the german and us releases overall are very close the german has a slight edge due to fewer noticable compression artifacts never seen the japanese release so not sure where it would go

People get there Blu news from IGN? ouch.
It's worth clicking on that IGN link just to see the awful box art. Bleah.

And the shameful trailer !

For those who want the "extended cut," which are you referring to? There was the original theatrical cut, then the director's cut which was longer, then there was an even longer cut that was available as an easter egg on the Ultimate Edition DVD.

I want the director's cut (which I think is on the UK import).

Oh yes. I love me some T2 goodness (I've bought it five times in HD alone) but the recent Jap BD cost too damn much. This new US release will do nicely. (edit: I mean the standalone BD, and not the Endo package which is also trying to sell me two DVD releases that I've already got. Cheeky bastards.)

I'm glad that both versions are on there, but I just wanna show some love for the theatrical edition. There are some scenes in the extended version ('Director's Cut'? Hah!) which should never have been taken out, but most of it is pure filler that slows the movie something chronic IMO.

This package is extremely overpriced & full of useless garbage (DVD discs)...I'd pay maybe...$50 for this...But only if the BR disc included a new transfer & DTS-HD MA...

will this one be longer and have better picture quality than the studio canal HD dvd directors cut ?

I just re-watched my Ultimate edition last night (the hidden third version). There's no way I'm shelling out all that cash for a new version. I do want the endoskull though. That's just beautiful.

I'm such a T2 whore. VHS, LD, DVD, HD-DVD, BD, etc.

Bring it on! :D

Well I just recently grabbed the UK Blu-ray of T2 and it looked pretty good. It was the same as my previously owned French HD-DVD version.

The UK version already has the DTS-MA audio track so there's little need to buy it again until the speculated 2011 release has had time to get the treatment by Cameron.

Got to be some sort of record for the most video releases ever though! :) Stargate has had quite a few as well but T2 takes the prize. :D

$120 would have been an instant buy.
$175 is a tough decision...
It is absolutely overpriced, but that doesn't mean I won't buy it unfortunately. And they know it.
In this economy though...


I better see some extremely advanced menus on the Skynet edition. T2:EE had the greatest menu's ever, they need to stretch the limits of BD Java for this one.

Either way I'll grab the Skynet for the lossless audio.

Disc 2 of the UE is still one of the most comprehensive special edition packages ever created IMO, but it's lame if they're just dumping the existing DVD in the box and calling it a day -- they should really recreate that material for Blu, especially since it's not so much fun to navigate on vanilla DVD.

What was Cameron doing between Titanic and Avatar that he couldn't sit down and help with a definitive edition of T2?:confused: Playing with submersibles?

He was developing the new digital 3D camera technology that everyone's using. He also made three documentaries, produced a TV show, and did some work for NASA.

He was developing the new digital 3D camera technology that everyone's using. He also made three documentaries, produced a TV show, and did some work for NASA.

yeah, not exactly sitting at home eating Bon Bons, watching reruns of The Flinstones all day....

;)

I'll stick to my $13 UK edition.

not exactly sitting at home eating Bon Bons, watching reruns of The Flinstones all day....
Maybe so....however, I would have preferred he had spent his time on new Term. and Aliens films...but that's just me.:p:D

Hiya oink. I liked the undersea docs he did but then again i'm a sucker for undersea docs...

:)

Just my 2cents, but being on the other side of the fence as I issue CDs on my label... you can't condemn compagnies for "milking it", it's not their fault, but the stores and distributors fault, that every barcode (yes, they refer to products as "barcodes") older than a couple of month will NOT get any store exposure or extra orders even if like in this case, a new T movie is coming... so you need to repackage to get their attention and get enough money in to pay staff and upcoming remasters releases... We live in a kleenex world where your new release is disposable after three weeks, it's just the way it is.

What was Cameron doing between Titanic and Avatar that he couldn't sit down and help with a definitive edition of T2?:confused: Playing with submersibles?

His work with cameras will re-define the future of cinema for the next 10-15 years. Also, he worked with NASA on HD cameras that can withstand unbelievable temperature extrmes (Ie, Mars, Venus) which is paramount when we send more probes to those planets. He's juggling A LOT of stuff.

The Digital Bits has some info on the Skynet Edition here (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents).

The Digital Bits has some info on the Skynet Edition here (http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents).

Wait, wait, wait...

The discs are in the skull? Hmm, I didn't understand that earlier. Quite frankly, I don't like such things. I was extremely disappointed when I opened my TDK Batpod edition and found the discs were actually inside the stand. I like statuettes, but having the disc inside is impractical. I'd rather have the discs in a normal case so I can put it on the shelf with the rest. Hellboy II statuette edition had a normal BD case inside with the movie, this is the way to go.

Hiya oink. I liked the undersea docs he did but then again i'm a sucker for undersea docs...

:)What are u talking about?This is The Thread for The Terminator 2.:eek:

What was Cameron doing between Titanic and Avatar that he couldn't sit down and help with a definitive edition of T2? Playing with submersibles?

He was developing the new digital 3D camera technology that everyone's using. He also made three documentaries, produced a TV show, and did some work for NASA.

Maybe so....however, I would have preferred he had spent his time on new Term. and Aliens films...but that's just me.

Hiya oink. I liked the undersea docs he did but then again i'm a sucker for undersea docs...

Context is important....

I'll stick to my $13 UK edition.

+1

until they really do it right

Well, for those of us who don't have it on Blu-ray yet, they just might be getting it "right". Unless you prefer to wait until Cameron decides to take the time to approve a new transfer, whenever that might actually be.

I'm happy with my european release from studio canal/monumentum witch already has a better VC-1 transfer and DTS 1.5mbps then the US mpeg2 release with only 760bps. It has no extra's but I also still have the ultimate edition dvd witch has al the extra's. I don't see why I should buy the new version. Only the audio bitrate will be higher as it's DTS-MA but funny thing is that the audio resolution wasn't higher then 1.5bmps back then so it's useless have lossless in this case.

I do look forward to the european T3 blu-ray wich will be released by sony in may and probebly will also have a better transfer and lossless audio then the US release from warner.

I have lost track,, how many T2's have been released so far ?????

I feel like I have bought 15 or 20 T2's over the years and I really have lost count.

Cheers
Davyo

I do look forward to the european T3 blu-ray wich will be released by sony in may and probebly will also have a better transfer and lossless audio then the US release from warner.
Ooh, I completely forgot about that. The video quality of the HD DVD was fine if unspectacular, but I really missed the insanity of the DTS track heard on the non-US DVD releases. Here's hoping that Sony turn it up to 11 with their Euro Blu-ray.

I have lost track,, how many T2's have been released so far ?????

I feel like I have bought 15 or 20 T2's over the years and I really have lost count.

Cheers
Davyo

Too many, but still not as much as the king of re-releases, Army of Darkness!!!

I don't have the T2 Blu-ray (like the extended cut), sooo I'll be lapping this one up at a decent price. Just not the endo set.

Will MGM/Sony be re-releasing T1 with a new transfer and better audio to compete?

Lowry is working on a new T1 transfer, but it probably won't be out for a while.

Anyone care to speculate on what the going price of the Endoskull bust will be on eBay when it becomes available? I’ll bid $50 on one and not a penny more!! :)

What?

can someone please get a better translating program for butsu...?

can someone please get a better translating program for butsu...?
The man speaks perfectly good English, I don't know what you mean? :D;)

I'm happy with my european release from studio canal/monumentum witch already has a better VC-1 transfer and DTS 1.5mbps then the US mpeg2 release with only 760bps. It has no extra's but I also still have the ultimate edition dvd witch has al the extra's. I don't see why I should buy the new version. Only the audio bitrate will be higher as it's DTS-MA but funny thing is that the audio resolution wasn't higher then 1.5bmps back then so it's useless have lossless in this case.

I do look forward to the european T3 blu-ray wich will be released by sony in may and probebly will also have a better transfer and lossless audio then the US release from warner.

Not sure if you currently have the Euro HD DVD or Blu-Ray, but the Blu-Ray is DTS-HD MA and the HD DVD was DTS-HD, both were far more than 1.5mbps. Also, the audio "back then," just like now, was analog, which doesn't have a bitrate. The bitrate only comes into play when it's converted to a digital track, and the higher the better.

I never thought about the fact that Sony distributes T3 in Europe, now I'm excited! Is there actually confirmation that it's happening, or are you just hoping?

I never thought about the fact that Sony distributes T3 in Europe, now I'm excited! Is there actually confirmation that it's happening, or are you just hoping?
Release date is May 25th. I've seen it listed for a while at my regular haunts, but I previously dismissed it because I thought that it was from Warners. And then KAS reminded us that it won't be, and he's right too. As with the new Terminator franchise, Columbia (and by extension Sony) hold T3's distribution rights outside of the US.

Amazon just put these 2 up for pre-order
$131.49 for the mega deluxe Endoskull version http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RIY49C?tag=bluray-060-20
$22.49 for the basic Skynet version http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001RIY4WE?tag=bluray-060-20

If it were $50 or 60, I'd definitely be all over the deluxe version, but 130+ for a single movie is more than I can justify. But it sure looks sweet.

Wait a sec, the basic version doesn't have all the discs? The Blade Runner basic version had all the discs. I actually don't think the endoskeleton is neat to me it's just clutter but I want all the discs. Not that I'm going to pay all that extra money for the extra discs.

Then buy the standard BD release and the Ultimate and Extreme editions -- that gives you 5 out of the 6 discs in the collector's set, at a lower price and without the big head. The only thing you'd be missing out on is the sixth disc with the digital copies, which is less than heartbreaking.

I see you can buy used copies of those DVDs for a couple bucks on Amazon.com. But meh I'm not going to bother if it's not included in the Skynet edition. Convenience and clutter and all of that.

Lowry is working on a new T1 transfer, but it probably won't be out for a while.
I can't wait for this one.

Wait a sec, the basic version doesn't have all the discs? The Blade Runner basic version had all the discs. I actually don't think the endoskeleton is neat to me it's just clutter but I want all the discs. Not that I'm going to pay all that extra money for the extra discs.

LG is just being UTTERLY lazy with those discs. Although there are 5 discs included with the skull, 1 is the new disc so you'd need that. Of the remaining 4, 2 are the film and the only extras on those discs are the commentaries which are included on the new BD. This leaves you about 2 discs of bonus materials.

I'll be conducting a little experiment to see how much room those extras actually take up and if they can be combined onto one DL disc. If that's the case, this should have been a 2 disc set (1 BD/1 DVD) and that's it. Call it a day. They just didn't feel like re-authoring.

Other than the endo skull what is the difference between the two new releases?

Other than the endo skull what is the difference between the two new releases?

read the thread

read the thread

speaking of reading, someone needs to read and RESPOND to his emails ;) ;)

I would like to add that Van Ling recently spilled the beans on a lot of things at Home Theater Forum in his thread here. (http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf/van-ling/274676-terminator-1-2-a-5.html)


He all but confirms the existence (to me no less!) of the extended secret cut of T2 on the Skynet Edition.

He mentions that he is indeed working on a new T1 bluray release.

I asked how good T1 looks after Lowry cleans up and I hope he will be able comment.

Looks like more T2 stuff in my collection lol

Funny I recently bought the T2 BD regular version since it was on sale for $9 so I thought I'd pick it up, after that I saw that they will be releasing the Skynet edition so I had to return it the next day lol


Currently I have Terminator 2: Ultimate Edition, Extreme Edition and HD DVD German Steel Book Edition...

So looks like I will be picking the Endoskull :D but damn @ $175 thats kinda expensive!

Is the Endo skull a 1:1 scale?

The cover art and the terminator's head model made me itching to pick this one as soon as possible.

The cover art and the terminator's head model made me itching to pick this one as soon as possible.

pre ordered mine.:)

Will MGM/Sony be re-releasing T1 with a new transfer and better audio to compete?

Lowry is working on a new T1 transfer, but it probably won't be out for a while.
Bad news maybe but thedigitalbits is reporting that the forthcoming T1 is just a repackaged version of the existing BD25/mpeg2 release. Strange if Lowry is working with the new transfer.

"Finally, a number of people have been asking about the "new" Blu-ray edition of The Terminator that's set for release on 5/12 by MGM. We've looked into it, and there's no new extras. This is just the existing BD release being repromoted in new lenticular packaging. Just so you know."

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/mytwocentsa166.html#childbd
Scroll down (just under the new Blue Underground releases and bad Ran news).

LG is just being UTTERLY lazy with those discs. Although there are 5 discs included with the skull, 1 is the new disc so you'd need that. Of the remaining 4, 2 are the film and the only extras on those discs are the commentaries which are included on the new BD. This leaves you about 2 discs of bonus materials.

actually 3 are the film extreme edition disc 2 is the WMV-HD disc

actually 3 are the film extreme edition disc 2 is the WMV-HD disc

Actually, the WMV-HD disc isn't the film alone. There are other extras on there. So my # still stands, 5 discs besides the blu-ray.

Terminator 2 : Skynet Edition -Blu-Ray / Test Blu-Ray HD (http://www.filmsactu.com/test-blu-ray-terminator-2-skynet-edition-blu-ray-5984.htm)

Looks polished, ultra clean :confused: and promising.

It looks too vibrant, like the contrast is overdone.

Otherwise it looks okay.

Those shots look horrible - DNR/wax city - if they are accurate. The current MPEG-2 version actually shows more grain.

well i was waiting for some screenshots.. still want to see xylon's inevitable comparisons but as it is i think i'll stick with my existing bluray...

They are using the same master as the old edition but Van Ling who is working on the transfer has said it will be cleaned up and they are looking to get the theatrical and extended cuts on the same disc with DTS HD Master audio and all the extra's from the old release.

They will redo the film with a new transfer for it's 2011 twentieth anniversary but they need Cameron involved before they can make a new transfer and it's the same situation with Aliens but Cameron is busy right now working on Avatar.

when i read the words "cleaned up" this is what i feared

Those shots look horrible - DNR/wax city - if they are accurate. The current MPEG-2 version actually shows more grain.

My thoughts exactly. That said, I will wait until I see a Xylon-esque comparison done before I either pass judgment on or purchase this release.

Terminator 2 : Skynet Edition -Blu-Ray / Test Blu-Ray HD (http://www.filmsactu.com/test-blu-ray-terminator-2-skynet-edition-blu-ray-5984.htm)

Looks polished, ultra clean :confused: and promising.

My UK Blu-Ray has more detail and grain than those shots, but they don't appear to be a very good representation of the actual transfer, since they're scaled down and jpg's.

My UK Blu-Ray has more detail and grain than those shots, but they don't appear to be a very good representation of the actual transfer, since they're scaled down and jpg's.
Word. Considering how quickly these screenshots are loaded, they must be compressed as hell, thus having no representative value at all.

Terminator 2 : Skynet Edition -Blu-Ray / Test Blu-Ray HD (http://www.filmsactu.com/test-blu-ray-terminator-2-skynet-edition-blu-ray-5984.htm)

Looks polished, ultra clean :confused: and promising.

Too early to judge but i certainly won't just blind buy it.

I still don't have this fabulous film on Blu Ray as i have been waiting for a really good version to be released with all the cuts. This version fits as far as featuring the alternate cuts but if the transfer isn't great i'll just wait until 2011.

Since they are just using the same master cleaned up i would like to see some comparisons between the last DVD release, the last Blu release and this Blu release and maybe throw in the UK and Japanese editions as well. I expect at the very least the encoding will be top knotch and there will not be any issues with EE unless it's on the actual master.

Do they bake EE and DNR into masters ? I know MovieSwede thought not but i can't help feeling they do or at least used to.

Xylon start saving :p

Too early to judge but i certainly won't just blind buy it.

I still don't have this fabulous film on Blu Ray as i have been waiting for a really good version to be released with all the cuts. This version fits as far as featuring the alternate cuts but if the transfer isn't great i'll just wait until 2011.

Since they are just using the same master cleaned up i would like to see some comparisons between the last DVD release, the last Blu release and this Blu release and maybe throw in the UK and Japanese editions as well. I expect at the very least the encoding will be top knotch and there will not be any issues with EE unless it's on the actual master.

Do they bake EE and DNR into masters ? I know MovieSwede thought not but i can't help feeling they do or at least used to.

Xylon start saving :p

This is why I commented that the pics look "Ultra Clean" implying we can come to any sort of conclusion only after doing proper due diligence.

Hopefully it won't look as 'smooth' as these low resolution jpegs suggest. I'd like to see a good looking release without the massive halos of the previous releases. I like my Studio Canal HD DVD for the most part, but the edge halos are terrible.

Their images may certainly be inaccurate; however, I clicked on their images for a few other titles I've watched and they seem to be okay (such as Goldfinger).

My UK Blu-Ray has more detail and grain than those shots, but they don't appear to be a very good representation of the actual transfer, since they're scaled down and jpg's.

right click->view image

http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg

they are 1920x1080... but still jpg

Saw the trailer of the skynet edition in The SPIRIT BD,it was looking good.I will buy it if this BD released.

right click->view image

http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg

they are 1920x1080... but still jpg
These images have me worried.... :(

right click->view image

http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg

they are 1920x1080... but still jpg

Oh my freaking DNR.

That shot is a .jpg so you cant really tell. Although if it really is like that hopefully it is only like that during the night shots.

jpeg or not it's clearly DNRed

jpeg would make him a blocky mess instead of Arnold Schwaxeneggar

Those are my thoughts too. I was looking at the site's other JPEG screenshots and I don't see that sort of DNR on Goldfinger or Bourne, for example.

Maybe I'll be sticking to my French HD DVD import. It isn't perfect, as there is minor DNR, but very good PQ overall.

interesting comparison

DVD (extreme edition) upscaled vs a grab from that site...

http://gmontrone.com/bdcompare/default.html?url1=http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg&url2=http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/6716/t2exdvd.jpg

the DVD is slightly stretched vertically compared to the skynet edition bluray

plus i might be one frame off (could just be the stretching making it seem that way)

****ing Lionsgate. :(

Absolutely pathetic if that's really the case.

Here's a comparison btw the new blu-ray and the old Lionsgate:
http://gmontrone.com/bdcompare/default.html?url1=http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg&url2=http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2128/79092185.jpg

They're not the exact same frame but close enough. If you drag the cursor to the right you will see the new image, drag it to the left to see the old BD.

Looks to me they changed the color timing ever so slightly as Arnold looks a bit more orange in the Skynet version which clearly has more DNR.

Maybe I'll be sticking to my French HD DVD import. It isn't perfect, as there is minor DNR, but very good PQ overall.

Same here, my thoughts exactly.

Here's a comparison btw the new blu-ray and the old Lionsgate:
http://gmontrone.com/bdcompare/default.html?url1=http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg&url2=http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2128/79092185.jpg

They're not the exact same frame but close enough. If you drag the cursor to the right you will see the new image, drag it to the left to see the old BD.
Oh good god, the existing Lionsgate release looks better than the upcoming Skynet release! Are the people in charge of HD home video over at Lionsgate complete incompetents?

So... is the only acceptable release of this title on Blu-ray that will play in Region A an exorbitantly priced Japanese import?

So... is the only acceptable release of this title on Blu-ray that will play in Region A an exorbitantly priced Japanese import? No the UK Studio Canal/Optimum is the best one and it's region ABC. It's the same encode as the French HD DVD, which is slightly better than the Japanese. Only director's cut on it though.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Terminator-2-Judgment-Day-Blu-ray/dp/B0019GJ46U/

My spider-sense has been tingling over this one, ever since Van Ling let the cat out of the bag regarding the old master being used, but 'cleaned up'. I've been clearing out the odd disc here and there, upgrading some HD DVDs to BD and the UK T2 disc made it onto a few piles,(told myself that I'd upgrade it soon enough),but I just couldn't bring myself to get rid of it and now I'm glad I didn't.

Yeah, the Optimum UK release is definitely all I need. The image quality is good and noticeably better than the US release. It being the director's cut helps a lot. There had to be a time that I stopped buying this movie.

Yeah, the Optimum UK release is definitely all I need. The image quality is good and noticeably better than the US release. It being the director's cut helps a lot. There had to be a time that I stopped buying this movie.
If I can find it cheap I might pick up the UK release. After that, I'm done until they actually strike a new master for this film.

By the way... is there a region free or region A release for Terminator 3 with HD audio?

Damn, now I regret not picking up the UK release when I was in London.

By the way... is there a region free or region A release for Terminator 3 with HD audio?

Sony is releasing Terminator 3 in the UK and Australia during late May. Their catalog titles have always been all-region with master quality audio, so things look good in that regard.

If I can find it cheap I might pick up the UK release. After that, I'm done until they actually strike a new master for this film.

By the way... is there a region free or region A release for Terminator 3 with HD audio?

If you find a good price on the UK version, please let us (or me) know, thanks.

You can get it rather cheaply from hmv.com (it's currently £7.99). Shipping to the US may be a bit costly though.

well i was waiting for some screenshots.. still want to see xylon's inevitable comparisons but as it is i think i'll stick with my existing bluray...



when i read the words "cleaned up" this is what i feared

yeah i was a bit worried about the "cleaned up" talk.

i already have the extended cut on my UK HD DVD which is better than the T2 blu-ray

right click->view image

http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg

they are 1920x1080... but still jpg

good god man!

i hope that was mostly just OOF and NR wax, but the total lack of grain from stock of that era has me pretty worried, that looks almost like a DVD!

Oh good god, the existing Lionsgate release looks better than the upcoming Skynet release! Are the people in charge of HD home video over at Lionsgate complete incompetents?

So... is the only acceptable release of this title on Blu-ray that will play in Region A an exorbitantly priced Japanese import?

yeah

and if you have ever dared to look at Dirty Dancing (from lionsgate) it is filled with nasty combing sort of effects and often every other scanline or so is actually, believe it or not, offset by a few pixels horizontally from above and below, most absurd 'transfer' i've ever peeked at in my life! I mean the edges of people are zigzaggy, it's absurd, too bad they are in control of great stuff like T2....

wow, the new skynet looks worse than the original bluray which itself barely looks better than a DVD. thank god I got the UK HD DVD, very noticeably better than the current bluray, if still far from great. :(

when will studios get it that we did not buy bluray to look at waxworks! but to move AWAY from waxy looking DVDs!!

Most of Lionsgate catalog titles are not too good in this regard.

thank god i got the uk hd dvd

+1

I was wondering if someone could clear something up for me?

Are the UK Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD releases of Terminator 2 the same transfer?

Are the UK Blu-ray Disc and HD DVD releases of Terminator 2 the same transfer? Yes, but the UK release only comes with the Special Edition. The French HD DVD had another disc for the theatrical, but it had forced French subs.

Yes, but the UK release only comes with the Special Edition. The French HD DVD had another disc for the theatrical, but it had forced French subs.

Thanks. Well, I have the UK Blu-ray Disc and the original Lionsgate T2, so it looks like I probably won't be picking up this newest release based on what I've seen so far. It is a shame they forced French subs on the French HD DVD release. I'd never want to watch it that way.

How much better is the UK version than the original Lionsgate verison?

How much better is the UK version than the original Lionsgate verison? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073273

the main differences are

video: less blocking and slightly sharper but the aspect ratio is slightly different (US=2.352:1 UK=2.362:1 (and the skynet edition is 2.367:1))
audio: DTS-HD MA (where the US has 448Kbps DD and 1.5Mbps DTS)

That aspect ratio keeps getting wider and wider. The scope frame just cannot contain the awesomeness which is T2.

right click->view image

http://img.filmsactu.com/datas/dvd/t/e/terminator-2-le-jugement-dernier/xl/49debb8f5d608.jpg

they are 1920x1080... but still jpg

Guys, guys. Bear in mind that these are JPEGs which are most likely strongly compressed. Wait for some real screenshots before basing your judgement on this.

It is a shame they forced French subs on the French HD DVD release. I'd never want to watch it that way.

For what it's worth, the French HD DVD only had forced subtitles on the theatrical cut, not on the extended cut. Also, the disc allows you to adjust the size and position of the subtitles. You can force them down into the lower letterbox bar, entirely outside the movie image.

I just pulled the trigger and pre order the Collectors Edition :D

Guys, guys. Bear in mind that these are JPEGs which are most likely strongly compressed. Wait for some real screenshots before basing your judgement on this.

jpg compression does not wax up the image like that... plus someone already posted a comparison with the existing US bluray (that shot was also jpg compressed)

my comparison with an upscaled DVD shot was also jpeg compressed to roughly the same file size as their bluray screenshot

Alright, I'm confused. There are so many different T2 releases out there...

I have a PS3 (I'm not sure what discs from what regions I can play)...which T2 BD release has the best PQ that will work on my PS3?

good god man!

i hope that was mostly just OOF and NR wax, but the total lack of grain from stock of that era has me pretty worried, that looks almost like a DVD!

Btw it was normal in that time do DNR movie to ease the insertion of CGI by the CGI House. Even Starship Trooper ending was put trought this (movie is grainy most of the time but when they crash on the planet and there's a lot of CGI it's WAX city and it the CGI House that done this)

The only way to redo it properly would be to Redo the effect completly and use the original film element, recut the movie and remix the effects..

Alright, I'm confused. There are so many different T2 releases out there...

I have a PS3 (I'm not sure what discs from what regions I can play)...which T2 BD release has the best PQ that will work on my PS3?

UK release

Alright, I'm confused. There are so many different T2 releases out there...

I have a PS3 (I'm not sure what discs from what regions I can play)...which T2 BD release has the best PQ that will work on my PS3?

If you have a US PS3, then you can play region A and region free titles. I believe all current T2 releases are region A or region free, but don't quote me on that.

The highest quality release is definitely the Japanese Premium Edition one - you get the Theatrical and the Special Edition cuts, neither with forced subs, both with lossless audio, and both on separate discs. High bitrate encodes, no DNR or filtering problems (or, at least the least amount of any filtering when compared to all other current versions), and much less compression artifacts than the first US release. This is also the most expensive version, however. There is another Japanese edition that is cheaper because it just includes the Special Edition (same disc as the Premium version, so same quality, just no extra theatrical disc included).

I'm not including the upcoming Skynet Editions in my analysis because I have obviously not seen any of them. From the early screenshots, they don't look great, but those are released by different companies overseas, so I will at least hold my judgment until the US release from Lionsgate on May 19th.

If you have a US PS3, then you can play region A and region free titles. I believe all current T2 releases are region A or region free, but don't quote me on that.

The highest quality release is definitely the Japanese Premium Edition one - you get the Theatrical and the Special Edition cuts, neither with forced subs, both with lossless audio, and both on separate discs. High bitrate encodes, no DNR or filtering problems (or, at least the least amount of any filtering when compared to all other current versions), and much less compression artifacts than the first US release. This is also the most expensive version, however. There is another Japanese edition that is cheaper because it just includes the Special Edition (same disc as the Premium version, so same quality, just no extra theatrical disc included).

I'm not including the upcoming Skynet Editions in my analysis because I have obviously not seen any of them. From the early screenshots, they don't look great, but those are released by different companies overseas, so I will at least hold my judgment until the US release from Lionsgate on May 19th.
Does this appear to be the one you are referring to?

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9F%E3%83%8D%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83 %BC2-%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5%E7%B7%A8-Blu-ray-%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E3%82%BA%E3%83%BB%E3%82 %AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%AD%E3%83%B3/dp/B001G75F5Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240420604&sr=8-2

After translating the page it looks like it is the single disc version...which is fine with me.

why cant they do something cool and release all the terminators in a package and in the endoskull

why cant they do something cool and release all the terminators in a package and in the endoskull

The Terminator - MGM
Terminator 2 - Lionsgate
Terminator 3 & Terminator Salvation - Warner

why cant they do something cool and release all the terminators in a package and in the endoskull

If you check closely different studio holds different movies.

Does this appear to be the one you are referring to?

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9F%E3%83%8D%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83 %BC2-%E7%89%B9%E5%88%A5%E7%B7%A8-Blu-ray-%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E3%82%BA%E3%83%BB%E3%82 %AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%AD%E3%83%B3/dp/B001G75F5Q/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240420604&sr=8-2

After translating the page it looks like it is the single disc version...which is fine with me.

Yes, that is the one disc version.

This is the 2-disc version with both special edition and theatrical:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%BF%E3%83%BC%E3%83%9F%E3%83%8D%E3%83%BC%E3%82%BF%E3%83 %BC2-%E3%83%97%E3%83%AC%E3%83%9F%E3%82%A2%E3%83%A0%E3%83%BB%E3%82 %A8%E3%83%87%E3%82%A3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3%E3%80%90%E5 %88%9D%E5%9B%9E%E9%99%90%E5%AE%9A%E7%94%9F%E7%94%A3%E3%80%91-Blu-ray-%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A0%E3%82%BA%E3%83%BB%E3%82 %AD%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A1%E3%83%AD%E3%83%B3/dp/B001G75F9C/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1240434772&sr=1-1

If you check closely different studio holds different movies.

Yeah. I don't see why they can't collaborate though http://www.entertainment-place.info/smile/img/2464/*************************

just preordered amazon $116.99

Yeah. I don't see why they can't collaborate though http://www.entertainment-place.info/smile/img/2464/*************************

It definitely is not unheard of. There are DVD sets out there that contain different films from different studios. The Rocky and Oliver Stone sets are the first that come to mind...

Yeah. I don't see why they can't collaborate though http://www.entertainment-place.info/smile/img/2464/*************************

They are thinking why can't we just buy individual releases too. haha.

It definitely is not unheard of. There are DVD sets out there that contain different films from different studios. The Rocky and Oliver Stone sets are the first that come to mind...The Rocky films are all MGM, and the only Stone film from the collection that wasn't Warner was U-Turn, which I believe was a co-production.

Thanks. Well, I have the UK Blu-ray Disc and the original Lionsgate T2, so it looks like I probably won't be picking up this newest release based on what I've seen so far. It is a shame they forced French subs on the French HD DVD release. I'd never want to watch it that way.

The French HD DVD only has forced subs on the theatrical disc, NOT on the director's cut disc.

Furthermore, the subs can be BOTH shrinked and moved out of picture into the black.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1073273

I took another look at these comparisons and the differences between the Lionsgate and UK version are very, very slight.

I took another look at these comparisons and the differences between the Lionsgate and UK version are very, very slight.The real differences are seen in motion... the original Lionsgate disc is littered with some seriously ugly macroblocking.

Shouldn't we be getting some reviews on this fairly soon?

Like some comparisons of the 2 R1 releases?

The Rocky films are all MGM, and the only Stone film from the collection that wasn't Warner was U-Turn, which I believe was a co-production.

Nearly half of the Stone set (the "Ultimate" one, anyway) was non-Warner -- Salvador and Platoon were MGM, Nixon was Buena Vista, The Doors was Artisan (now Lionsgate), and U Turn was Sony (Warner had nothing to do with it -- it was a co-production, but not with them).

Any have the endoskull and care to post a pic so we can see the size. (please include something else in the pic so we can have a reference to the size).