For those who haven't followed the two threads floating around on other forums...

There seems to be a newly discovered VC-1 version of The Fugitive. Jaggies seem to be gone and the newer master from the special edition DVD was used that deleted the mysterious crew members head that was visible in one particular shot from the train wreck.

This is different from the HD DVD VC-1 version which also had the "train head" version in it.

The only visible difference that we can discern between the MPEG2 and VC1 versions via packaging is that "Bonus Material Not Rated" is under the rating for the VC1 version.

Please contribute...if you know anything.

I'm scanning the disc and will update this posting when I have the info.

Total Video
Title Codec Length Movie Size Disc Size Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track Secondary Audio Track
----- ------ ------- -------------- -------------- ------- ------- ------------------ ---------------------
The Fugitive (VC-1) VC-1 2:10:14 22,769,682,432 24,820,265,778 23.31 20.96 DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps




DISC INFO:

Disc Title: THE_FUGITIVE (VC-1/no jaggies)
Disc Size: 24,820,265,778 bytes
Protection: AACS
BD-Java: No
BDInfo: 0.5.1

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name: 00000.MPLS
Size: 22,769,682,432 bytes
Length: 2:10:14 (h:m:s)
Total Bitrate: 23.31 Mbps
Description:

VIDEO:

Codec Bitrate Description
----- ------- -----------
VC-1 Video 20958 kbps 1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / Advanced Profile 3

AUDIO:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Dolby Digital Audio English 448 kbps 5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps
Dolby Digital Audio English 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio French 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio Spanish 192 kbps 2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / Dolby Surround

SUBTITLES:

Codec Language Bitrate Description
----- -------- ------- -----------
Presentation Graphics English 39.120 kbps
Presentation Graphics English 45.150 kbps
Presentation Graphics French 33.080 kbps
Presentation Graphics Spanish 37.300 kbps

FILES:

Name Time In Length Size Total Bitrate
---- ------- ------ ---- -------------
00000.M2TS 0:00:00.000 2:10:14.306 22,769,682,432 23,311

CHAPTERS:

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2 0:04:49.414 0:04:49.497 19,657 kbps 27,804 kbps 00:06:14.040 24,852 kbps 00:06:19.420 23,873 kbps 00:06:18.711 102,484 bytes 219,809 bytes 00:06:17.960
3 0:09:38.911 0:03:18.823 20,286 kbps 29,517 kbps 00:12:49.685 24,344 kbps 00:11:38.072 23,545 kbps 00:11:36.529 105,763 bytes 237,640 bytes 00:09:45.001
4 0:12:57.735 0:01:51.820 20,143 kbps 26,262 kbps 00:14:06.053 23,237 kbps 00:14:32.663 22,417 kbps 00:14:31.495 105,014 bytes 232,294 bytes 00:14:34.456
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8 0:20:19.968 0:02:48.293 19,712 kbps 24,985 kbps 00:21:34.459 22,278 kbps 00:21:31.164 21,098 kbps 00:21:26.493 102,769 bytes 214,772 bytes 00:23:05.967
9 0:23:08.261 0:02:25.770 21,306 kbps 33,045 kbps 00:25:01.041 27,543 kbps 00:24:50.363 26,549 kbps 00:24:20.500 111,082 bytes 234,750 bytes 00:24:28.717
10 0:25:34.032 0:00:55.555 20,987 kbps 30,781 kbps 00:26:16.157 27,127 kbps 00:26:12.153 24,860 kbps 00:26:09.526 109,415 bytes 294,742 bytes 00:26:16.575
11 0:26:29.588 0:03:16.696 21,169 kbps 32,015 kbps 00:28:47.350 26,541 kbps 00:28:46.808 24,444 kbps 00:28:41.803 110,365 bytes 242,120 bytes 00:27:18.970
12 0:29:46.284 0:01:39.432 20,693 kbps 26,875 kbps 00:31:24.048 23,321 kbps 00:31:20.712 23,004 kbps 00:31:15.707 107,886 bytes 243,829 bytes 00:30:32.914
13 0:31:25.717 0:02:56.217 21,709 kbps 32,771 kbps 00:31:47.989 26,037 kbps 00:32:09.719 24,466 kbps 00:32:04.797 113,181 bytes 273,038 bytes 00:32:38.623
14 0:34:21.934 0:02:23.017 19,628 kbps 24,115 kbps 00:35:55.403 21,017 kbps 00:34:29.484 20,406 kbps 00:34:58.513 102,330 bytes 206,457 bytes 00:36:44.660
15 0:36:44.952 0:01:17.619 19,580 kbps 27,218 kbps 00:37:28.829 22,722 kbps 00:37:24.951 21,041 kbps 00:37:19.946 102,080 bytes 229,495 bytes 00:36:46.120
16 0:38:02.571 0:01:39.182 21,081 kbps 29,423 kbps 00:39:29.325 26,230 kbps 00:38:47.992 24,025 kbps 00:38:42.236 109,907 bytes 229,108 bytes 00:38:33.894
17 0:39:41.754 0:02:37.115 22,038 kbps 34,403 kbps 00:40:55.035 27,694 kbps 00:40:37.935 25,933 kbps 00:40:48.154 114,896 bytes 294,794 bytes 00:40:52.408
18 0:42:18.869 0:03:15.862 19,852 kbps 29,472 kbps 00:43:48.667 23,789 kbps 00:44:44.431 22,522 kbps 00:43:41.660 103,498 bytes 256,766 bytes 00:43:59.219
19 0:45:34.732 0:03:00.305 20,725 kbps 29,052 kbps 00:46:39.379 25,849 kbps 00:46:39.046 24,444 kbps 00:46:36.084 108,053 bytes 289,234 bytes 00:46:24.114
20 0:48:35.037 0:01:31.132 21,024 kbps 28,663 kbps 00:48:50.928 24,779 kbps 00:49:02.689 23,224 kbps 00:48:47.174 109,608 bytes 247,787 bytes 00:48:48.425
21 0:50:06.169 0:03:20.366 20,714 kbps 28,833 kbps 00:53:14.858 26,332 kbps 00:50:56.970 24,534 kbps 00:50:36.908 107,991 bytes 247,129 bytes 00:51:13.445
22 0:53:26.536 0:02:34.112 20,688 kbps 28,841 kbps 00:55:36.916 25,542 kbps 00:53:38.215 24,515 kbps 00:53:33.210 107,860 bytes 254,016 bytes 00:54:56.209
23 0:56:00.648 0:03:19.282 21,238 kbps 29,250 kbps 00:57:05.797 26,621 kbps 00:57:01.960 24,759 kbps 00:57:12.137 110,726 bytes 234,842 bytes 00:56:24.631
24 0:59:19.931 0:03:32.670 21,340 kbps 29,757 kbps 01:02:23.364 26,312 kbps 01:02:23.030 24,678 kbps 01:02:20.153 111,258 bytes 273,368 bytes 01:02:06.806
25 1:02:52.602 0:04:51.666 21,022 kbps 31,580 kbps 01:04:30.783 26,477 kbps 01:03:35.353 25,165 kbps 01:04:53.556 109,599 bytes 244,470 bytes 01:03:45.071
26 1:07:44.268 0:06:05.031 21,695 kbps 32,580 kbps 01:08:12.713 27,580 kbps 01:12:40.814 24,873 kbps 01:12:36.268 113,109 bytes 253,781 bytes 01:10:55.668
27 1:13:49.299 0:01:52.070 21,793 kbps 29,401 kbps 01:14:41.101 27,278 kbps 01:15:19.056 24,297 kbps 01:13:55.556 113,620 bytes 243,727 bytes 01:15:05.083
28 1:15:41.370 0:03:34.881 21,662 kbps 31,813 kbps 01:16:24.705 25,747 kbps 01:19:05.323 24,195 kbps 01:19:04.656 112,938 bytes 267,997 bytes 01:15:51.213
29 1:19:16.251 0:02:37.615 21,754 kbps 32,588 kbps 01:19:49.326 26,718 kbps 01:21:36.558 24,607 kbps 01:20:34.162 113,417 bytes 245,716 bytes 01:20:32.452
30 1:21:53.867 0:02:48.751 21,589 kbps 29,301 kbps 01:22:51.216 27,601 kbps 01:22:47.337 23,916 kbps 01:23:41.766 112,557 bytes 247,504 bytes 01:23:51.526
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33 1:35:26.387 0:01:32.467 21,844 kbps 29,976 kbps 01:35:46.490 26,976 kbps 01:35:33.394 24,799 kbps 01:35:28.514 113,886 bytes 242,205 bytes 01:35:46.907
34 1:36:58.854 0:03:54.192 21,619 kbps 30,327 kbps 01:40:41.368 26,507 kbps 01:40:14.049 25,137 kbps 01:40:12.548 112,709 bytes 315,835 bytes 01:40:35.362
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39 1:58:28.059 0:04:13.503 20,651 kbps 33,034 kbps 01:58:55.795 25,369 kbps 01:58:52.208 23,811 kbps 02:02:17.079 107,663 bytes 234,273 bytes 01:58:56.420
40 2:02:41.562 0:01:23.249 20,784 kbps 25,708 kbps 02:02:47.568 24,534 kbps 02:02:43.647 22,869 kbps 02:03:54.760 108,359 bytes 221,698 bytes 02:03:42.415
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STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File PID Type Codec Language Seconds Bitrate Bytes Packets
---- --- ---- ----- -------- -------------- -------------- ------------- -----
00000.M2TS 4113 (0x1011) 0xEA VC-1 7814.181 20,958 20,471,596,295 111,370,950
00000.M2TS 4352 (0x1100) 0x81 AC3 eng (English) 7814.181 448 437,602,816 2,441,980
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00000.M2TS 4355 (0x1103) 0x81 AC3 eng (English) 7814.181 192 187,544,064 1,220,990
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00000.M2TS 4611 (0x1203) 0x90 PGS eng (English) 7814.181 45 44,101,883 248,781

I said this in the thread over at HDD but again, what's with DD448 as the primary audio track? That's low-spec even for Warner.

Simply Pathetic with DVD sound.

thats DVD quality DD, not horrid but could be better, I will have to try and locate this :)

-Gary

The sound has actually been DOWNgraded from the previous version. Only Warner...

:eek: I'm a little speechless.

Meanwhile, I wonder if the other 1080i victims (Enter the Dragon, etc.) are going to quietly get this treatment, as well.

The sound has actually been DOWNgraded from the previous version.

Not that I see any good reason to not include a DD640 track.

I wonder if anyone actually heard the difference? When they didnt know what they listend to.

From what has been posted from an owner of this VC-1 disc, the jaggies do still exist. As they did with the MPEG-2 version.

I believe this title always had DD at 448. I will check when I get home however.

As for other titles receiving this "remastering" quietly - don't plan on it. This honestly is not even a remaster - it's a slight change to remove the crew member's head, and a re-encoding with a different codec. The quality is not higher by any means, and the jaggie / aliasing issue has definitely not been fixed. I imagine this was redone only to fix the crew member's head, and WB just happened to have moved on from MPEG-2 to VC-1 by that time.

Not that I think comparisons between the two versions will show much, but comparing the Blu-ray to the HD DVD is by no means definitive. The HD DVD version always had a VC-1 encode, and at least 1 version of it had the same version as the MPEG-2 Blu-ray - the one with the crew member's head not fixed. I don't know whether WB also fixed the HD DVD version and issued a 2nd VC-1 disc in that format, but I don't think that particularly matters either way.

Remember, in the LD days, when the then-current transfers of this movie and Terminator 2 were considered among the height of home video image quality? They were dethroned in their DVD incarnations and now, it seems, they've fallen halfway down the mountain on BD. I wonder how well good remastering efforts could allow these two fallen heroes of the system demo to compete with more recent productions?

Can anyone post screens to confirm if the jaggies are still there?

No BD-ROM drive so no way to post screenshots, but you're just gonna have to take my word that the jaggies are still present.

I believe this title always had DD at 448. I will check when I get home however.

As for other titles receiving this "remastering" quietly - don't plan on it. This honestly is not even a remaster - it's a slight change to remove the crew member's head, and a re-encoding with a different codec. The quality is not higher by any means, and the jaggie / aliasing issue has definitely not been fixed. I imagine this was redone only to fix the crew member's head, and WB just happened to have moved on from MPEG-2 to VC-1 by that time.


"By that time?" doesn't make any sense. The file date is 2007.

NONE of this situation makes any sense.

"By that time?" doesn't make any sense. The file date is 2007.

NONE of this situation makes any sense.

"By that time" does make sense so far as I know. Only the extremely early WB titles used MPEG-2 transfers. Tons of 2007 WB releases have VC-1 transfers. You're making this way more complicated than it is.

Warner Bros.. If you are reading this thread, please get your act together! DD@448kbps? WTF???

Warner Bros.. If you are reading this thread, please get your act together! DD@448kbps? WTF???

This title is from 2006, it is hardly representative of any current behavior. Let's keep this all in perspective.

This title is from 2006, it is hardly representative of any current behavior. Let's keep this all in perspective.

Ok very true. You're right.

So the original release (on both BD and HD) comes out in 2006 and everyone bitches about the jaggies AND the head being there. So they silently do another version where they remove the head and re-encode in VC-1 yet don't fix the jaggies? The part that doesn't make sense to me is: why would they do all this and not fix the aliasing problem?

This title is from 2006, it is hardly representative of any current behavior. Let's keep this all in perspective.

So, they issue an MPEG2 version in 2006 that had a DD track @ 640kbps

Then, they reissue (although never formally announce) the movie in 2007 with a VC-1 track and decide to give it a DD track @448kbps.

:confused::confused:

You don't see that as being odd? I mean, at least offer the 640kbps track? As for current behavior, Warner seems all over the place in terms of lossless vs lossy and PQ bitrates, along with issuing BD25 discs vs BD50. They just seem all over the place to me.

Ok very true. You're right.

So the original release (on both BD and HD) comes out in 2006 and everyone bitches about the jaggies AND the head being there. So they silently do another version where they remove the head and re-encode in VC-1 yet don't fix the jaggies? The part that doesn't make sense to me is: why would they do all this and not fix the aliasing problem?



...and also "quietly" add TrueHD instead of either 448 or 640 DD. ;)

...and also "quietly" add TrueHD instead of either 448 or 640 DD. ;)

Let's not start ANOTHER rumor ;)

...and also "quietly" add TrueHD instead of either 448 or 640 DD. ;)

Haha that will be sometime in 2010.. Unannounced of course.. Maybe they will even sneak in a previously unreleased alternate ending :)

So, they issue an MPEG2 version in 2006 that had a DD track @ 640kbps

Then, they reissue (although never formally announce) the movie in 2007 with a VC-1 track and decide to give it a DD track @448kbps.

:confused::confused:

You don't see that as being odd? I mean, at least offer the 640kbps track? As for current behavior, Warner seems all over the place in terms of lossless vs lossy and PQ bitrates, along with issuing BD25 discs vs BD50. They just seem all over the place to me.

This is just a little tiny fix for the crew member's head. This isn't a new "collector's edition" or any formally announced re-release - it's just a tiny QA fix on an existing disc. Would it be nice if they did other things for it? Sure, it would. But that's not how things are done it would seem. I don't think re-releasing with the only change being the head removed is any worse than not re-releasing at all - so I don't feel the need to crucify them over only doing a small fix instead of a large one.

Fixing the jaggie issue could require a large amount of work depending on how far back a 'correct' version exists, and what condition that is in. A TrueHD track would probably be easy, but that might be one of those marketable things they save for a real re-release.

As for downgrading the audio, let's wait for confirmation before jumping all over that. A similar issue came up with the TrueHD Superman Returns re-release where people thought WB downgraded the resolution of the deleted scenes to 480i, but people checked and found the original version had 480i as well. I'll check the audio bitrate of the MPEG-2 version when I get home and we'll settle this.

This is just a little tiny fix for the crew member's head. This isn't a new "collector's edition" or any formally announced re-release - it's just a tiny QA fix on an existing disc. Would it be nice if they did other things for it? Sure, it would. But that's not how things are done it would seem. I don't think re-releasing with the only change being the head removed is any worse than not re-releasing at all - so I don't feel the need to crucify them over only doing a small fix instead of a large one.

Fixing the jaggie issue could require a large amount of work depending on how far back a 'correct' version exists, and what condition that is in. A TrueHD track would probably be easy, but that might be one of those marketable things they save for a real re-release.


Agreed on the jaggie issue (if it requires a complete remaster) but the fact remains that they re-encoded the disc from MPEG2 to VC1. They obviously put some work into this. I, for one, would prefer the VC1 version since it was a 2+ hour movie on a 25GB disc.


As for downgrading the audio, let's wait for confirmation before jumping all over that. A similar issue came up with the TrueHD Superman Returns re-release where people thought WB downgraded the resolution of the deleted scenes to 480i, but people checked and found the original version had 480i as well. I'll check the audio bitrate of the MPEG-2 version when I get home and we'll settle this.

And that is also a good point and I agree. But. If they did downgrade the audio, then shame on them. If they didn't, they really should have taken the time and effort to improve the audio. This movie was nominated for seven academy awards (Tommy Lee Jones won best supporting actor in his role for this film) and made a lot of money at the box office. It deserves better :)

Wasn't there an issue with the transfer being 1080i when this disc first came out?

Just checked - MPEG-2 release 640, VC-1 release 448. Can't imagine why. I know some WB titles from that time range were 448, so maybe they thought they were being consistent with the original Fugitive release when really they were downgrading it. Who knows.

Honestly, I was happier not knowing there was a different version. Now I don't know whether to keep the one with the fixed segment, or the one with the higher bitrate audio.

I don't suppose anyone has the UK or Japanese release for audio spec / fixed segment comparisons?

The Searchers was 448, iirc. Was that from Warner? :o

Oh, wow. I was off. :o

Nevermind about that one then.

Someone can compare to the screenshots here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12662437&postcount=4) and here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=12662440&postcount=5).

jaggies actually look worse in the VC-1 shots

jaggies actually look worse in the VC-1 shots

That's the HD DVD VC-1 encode, so that is not necessarily the same as the newer-released Blu-ray VC-1 encode.

$10 says this came from an HDCAM master.

$1 that the jaggies are still there and if they're not they were filtered away ie Perfect Storm.

$1 that the jaggies are still there and if they're not they were filtered away ie Perfect Storm.

I'm sure they're probably still there, to be honest.

So does anyone have any stills from the new VC-1 encode? I can get it fairly cheap, but I won't if there isn't any improvement from the HD-DVD encode.

Ok very true. You're right.

So the original release (on both BD and HD) comes out in 2006 and everyone bitches about the jaggies AND the head being there. So they silently do another version where they remove the head and re-encode in VC-1 yet don't fix the jaggies? The part that doesn't make sense to me is: why would they do all this and not fix the aliasing problem?
Perhaps because fixing the aliasing problem would require going back to the original 1080i elements and creating a new master from scratch. No doubt much cheaper to modify the already existing vertically filtered master.

I went out and got the VC-1 encoded Blu Ray for $14. I only have a 720p LCD panel so I can't be sure if they fixed all the problems, but the picture looks better than I remember from my HD-DVD copy and the bit rate was regularly between 20 and 30 Mbps which is surprisingly high for Warner. Unfortunately, the sound was still DD at 448k.

Lo(u)ssy audio + Perform Storm like dodgy re-encode = No Sale. :o

Remember, in the LD days, when the then-current transfers of this movie and Terminator 2 were considered among the height of home video image quality? They were dethroned in their DVD incarnations and now, it seems, they've fallen halfway down the mountain on BD. I wonder how well good remastering efforts could allow these two fallen heroes of the system demo to compete with more recent productions?

They need to be handled by someone who gives a rats..

For the record, I bumped this thread because I read about this on either Blu-ray.com or HighDefDigest.com (I think the latter). Are there any caps available? The particular thread I'm referring to said that there is the original MPEG2 encode, and also not one but TWO VC-1 Blu-rays floating around, one with the jaggies fixed (but with lesser audio). I really want to see this. I own the HD DVD with the jaggies and might double dip if they are gone (unless it's like Wonka where I'm still putting up with the jags only because I find the stretching/distortion on the BD even worse).

I picked up the fugitive blu ray for 10 bucks at best buy. it was the vc-1 version.

Jacob

I decided to watch the HD DVD last night and I still think that of the handful of Warner titles with the aliasing problem, this one was the least offensive of that bunch. It's pretty grainy, and I think that disguises it a bit.

Does anyone know where to find the newer pressing w/o the jags? Ordered The Fugitive off Amazon, thinking of a sidestep on my HD DVD copy. Figured I'd improve on the video end (no jags), but lose a step on the audio (lower bitrate than early pressings). Well, it's 2011 and Amazon sent me one of the old discs, because I threw it in and it has jaggies. Guess I'll send it back, maybe they'll have a different disc next time around. :(


Also, I've been getting a high percentage of Warner titles from Amazon with water/moisture damage to the inserts. Happened to three Clint Eastwood titles and now this one. Same thing, wrinkly inserts. Yet it's never happening with discs from other studios.


UPDATE: This copy of the Fugitive has "Bonus Material Not Rated" under the rating on the back insert. It has jaggies. I didn't check the disc to see what the codec is used, but just wanted to say that the packaging difference noted in the first post isn't a guarantee you'll get a jaggie-free copy.

I don't believe there is any version without jaggies.

Simply Pathetic with DVD sound.

Yeah, but I had my membership at another fourm was deleted shortly after the special edition release, so I could care less....

I don't believe there is any version without jaggies.

You're correct. I just checked my disc. It's VC-1, and it has jaggies. I don't have the MPEG2 release to compare it to, so i might be "better", but it still has jaggies.