Hi,

I have narrowed down to those two models av123 15 inch MFW15 and 12 inch SVS pb-12nsd?

Both almost same price. Would 15 inch make lot of difference with just the svs 12 inch model?

Could any one lead me to choose one of them? I like to hear lot of music and Home theater use, (HT 70%, music 30%)

Background:
I am planning to get av123 rocket, 850/450/200 and axiom qs8 surround. So I am looking for a matching sub woofer. This is to build 7.1 channel HT.

Please let me know this combination will be good.


Thank you,
sam

If you order the MFW-15 with the Rockets, they should be able to ship all speakers on the same pallet and save you some shipping charges. I did that earlier this year with some x-series speakers. I would think the MFW-15 would be capable of much more output in the 20-80 Hz range. I have dual MFW-15's and love them.

Hi,

I have narrowed down to those two models av123 15 inch MFW15 and 12 inch SVS pb-12nsd?

Both almost same price. Would 15 inch make lot of difference with just the svs 12 inch model?

Could any one lead me to choose one of them? I like to hear lot of music and Home theater use, (HT 70%, music 30%)

Background:
I am planning to get av123 rocket, 850/450/200 and axiom qs8 surround. So I am looking for a matching sub woofer. This is to build 7.1 channel HT.

Please let me know this combination will be good.


Thank you,
sam

How is your tolerance for risk? You may be aware that AV123 received a bad batch of amplifiers. Some folks are on their 3rd or 4th amplifier, and to the best of my knowledge no one knows when the MFW-15s with the new amps will be shipping.

SAM....If you go with the MFW with your Rocket order, I would bet in addition to saving a bit in shipping, they'll also make you a "deal" as a package.

NICE sub, BTW. It goes low and loud with lots of impact. They look as good as they sound, too.

SVS has a good rep, too. I've looked (never bought) at there subs several times.

The MFW may be the better performing sub of the two when it works. That is truly a crapshoot, however. So is the survival of the AV123 company at this point.

Personally, I'd sidestep the drama and get the PB12. You can count on that sub and the company behind it.

So is the survival of the AV123 company at this point.

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Really? Can you substantiate this?

There a lot of reading here to do:

http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11

Hi,

I have narrowed down to those two models av123 15 inch MFW15 and 12 inch SVS pb-12nsd?

Both almost same price. Would 15 inch make lot of difference with just the svs 12 inch model?

Could any one lead me to choose one of them? I like to hear lot of music and Home theater use, (HT 70%, music 30%)

Background:
I am planning to get av123 rocket, 850/450/200 and axiom qs8 surround. So I am looking for a matching sub woofer. This is to build 7.1 channel HT.

Please let me know this combination will be good.


Thank you,
sam

Tough call, SVS has the PB12-NSD on sale because of a back order so you can save some money and MFW has some good pricing going on right now if you order now but their black ones aren't in stock right now either.

I think the MFW will have more impact and if you go for looks you can't beat it period at this price level. But as noted there are amplifier issues but I feel they will be resolved. There is a 150 plus thread on the MFW, do some reading and see what people are saying.

Good luck in your decision. ;)

My impression is that you need a bigger SVS sub to compete in movies with the MFW-15 - not the NSD line.

I would recommend the MFW-15. If the amp goes bad, you'll probably have that straightened away in a few months even with multiple replacements. Then you'll own it and it will rock for years and years.

Easy for me to say, since my amp is good.

There a lot of reading here to do:

http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11

So, based on the above thread you have concluded and post here that AV123's survival may be a crapshoot?

As I asked, anything to SUBSTANTIATE the assertion?

So, based on the above thread you have concluded and post here that AV123's survival may be a crapshoot?

As I asked, anything to SUBSTANTIATE the assertion?

If I could substantiate it, it wouldn't be a crapshoot. It would be a certainty. That it isn't. They may recover.

Let's look at what we do know:

-Their forum has been closed for over a month.
-Communications with Mark have become nearly impossible.
-His health is not good. (I wish him the best)
-The limited communication that has come out of the company is filled more enigmas than anything else.
-People are owed refunds for undelivered products for months and years.
-Several key employees have been fired over the last couple of weeks.
-The status of promised products and repairs in the works for two to three years remains unkown.
-The size and anger of the disgruntled mob seems to grow with each delay.

To me, this looks like a company in dire straits. I have no bones to pick with AV123 personally. I love my 850 Rockets. I'm just calling it the way I see it.

The only way to rebuild that company is to start from ground zero. That means, all new upper management with a different business mind set.

People are owed refunds for undelivered products for months and years.
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How do you know that? This makes me think whether pre pay is a good option to order the rockets deal going on now?

SAM....If you go with the MFW with your Rocket order, I would bet in addition to saving a bit in shipping, they'll also make you a "deal" as a package.

NICE sub, BTW. It goes low and loud with lots of impact. They look as good as they sound, too.

SVS has a good rep, too. I've looked (never bought) at there subs several times.


I dont think so, since mfw15 is available now. They will ship it first and then the back ordered rockets when they arrive.

How do you know that? This makes me think whether pre pay is a good option to order the rockets deal going on now?

You really should question pre-paying anything with them right now. Please read the AV123 related threads at this link and make up your own mind:


http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=11


Other than that, the Rocket products themselves are typically of good quality.

How do you know that? This makes me think whether pre pay is a good option to order the rockets deal going on now?

Sam - All Rockets products have been delivered to customers that have bought them, either through the prepay or pay when it ships method. I personally would order what ever Rocket Package you have your mind on.

As for the MFW-15 you might want to wait until the new amps are in to get one of those.

I have had my MFW-15 for over a year and it pounds my guts out almost nightly. I was one of the first 10 people to get one when they first hit the market. I love it and recommend it highly.

You really should question pre-paying anything with them right now. Please read the AV123 related threads at this link and make up your own mind:

I still haven't seen anybody complaining of refunds due to them by av123. The refunds are owed by Mark personally to several members that are backing out of their orders even though they weren't guaranteed a delivery date when they prepaid for items that hadn't even been developed yet. Some people also purchased gift cards and then pre-ordered items. Per av123's policy, once you buy a gift card you cannot get a refund on it. If you return the item you purchased with the gift card funds, you get store credit. I think Mark personally promised to refund some of these people due to a financial hardship the purchaser was going through.

The only pre-orders in the past year have been for Rocket speakers (or the matching MFW-15) and all orders have been fulfilled so far (except the ones now waiting on the next shipment).

Once again, read this stuff for yourself. I don't make this crap up. I just read it.

http://www.tweakcityaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?t=634

To me, this looks like a company in dire straits. I have no bones to pick with AV123 personally. I love my 850 Rockets. I'm just calling it the way I see it.

So you don't have any actual information concerning their sales, cash flow, credit rating, profit margins, etc.

Congratulations, I'm sure you've scared off the original poster with this.

Refunding money should not be an issue. if you have paid by visa or master card(Debit or Credit), there are always 100% chance you can get the money back. There is a big IF, if the company does not refund. I guess looks like they are delivering products as promised.

Last stage there are legal things we can do. I have got refunds of money paid by visa card, even when the company went bankrupt and out of business.

So I guess nothing to worry about refunds from av123.

Have you guys actually read the threads that mojomike posted?

Have you guys actually read the threads that mojomike posted?


Yes

Yes
And what is your take on the situation?

And what is your take on the situation?

Posting that AV123 might go under without any information other than that provided is unwarranted and unfair.

Posting that AV123 might go under without any information other than that provided is unwarranted and unfair.
What do you think of the information that was provided?

What do you think of the information that was provided?

As evidence to support the statement that AV123 may go under, it's insufficient.

Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. I wanted to know if Mojomike had some 'insider' type information relating to AV123's finances.

Nice forum over at TCA. Many eloquent and articulate posters.;)

These are certainly signs of a company in distress. With today's economy, even the strong may not survive.

I am wondering why the discussion went off-topic?

So MFW15 is the best compared to the other, when it is WORKING.

May be I will take the risk of getting MFW15

Guys, as you know I'm not with AV123 anymore, but I can say this thread will get shut down by the mods very quickly if the speculation continues. There have been numerous warnings by mods to keep threads on topic and not to bring the "drama" here. I am NOT a mod, just wanted to share the info in case you didn't know.

I can say that the current amps are failing (not all by any stretch, but some are) and AV123 is replacing them asap and you don't have to send the old one back. The new amps were due in extremely soon and would be sent out to any defective amp swap customer should that happen.

I have duals from the first batch and they are pounding away as I type and have had zero issues. Just know, that if you do purchase one right now, you run the risk of an amp failure. It's not guaranteed it will happen but if it does, you WILL be taken care of by Mark Joslin (customer care).

My 2 cents :D

Scott

I am wondering why the discussion went off-topic?

So MFW15 is the best compared to the other, when it is WORKING.

May be I will take the risk of getting MFW15

I have never heard the SVS personally, but going off of reviews, esp. CraigSubs, the MFW is quite a bit better. A single is A LOT of fun, duals (if you can swing it) absolutely throttle. Speaking from personal experience here as I went from a single to duals :cool:

I have never heard the SVS personally, but going off of reviews, esp. CraigSubs, it is quite a bit better. A single is A LOT of fun, duals (if you can swing it) absolutely throttle. Speaking from personal experience here as I went from a single to duals :cool:


So Scott you are saying its kind of tie between the two?

So Scott you are saying its kind of tie between the two?

No, sorry, I need to revise my statement. I was referring to the MFW-15

As evidence to support the statement that AV123 may go under, it's insufficient.

Repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it true. I wanted to know if Mojomike had some 'insider' type information relating to AV123's finances.

I have absolutely no insider info into the situation. I just tend to see red flags when I read so many overwhelmingly negative posts about a company which just a year or two ago used to have such strong supporters.

I dont think so, since mfw15 is available now. They will ship it first and then the back ordered rockets when they arrive.

Oh....I think if you ask them to ship everything together, they'd likely do it.

The enigma that is AV123.......I'll say up front, I've ordered many products from them. First, the EMOTIVA separates when AV123 were repping them. 2nd, my entire HT speaker system is made up of Rockets. In addition, I upgraded my system a couple of times through AV123, too.

Are they firing a lot of employees? Don't know about that. I know that skeeter (Scott) who posts here was let go. But, it was a part time gig for him. And, to my knowledge, he wasn't a salaried employee.....straight commission. I won't speak for him, though.

Who else was let go?

Jess Q, Kyle S and Mark J are all still there. They are extremely helpful whenever you contact them.

The rest...well, we really don't know what's going on. We know that some of the recent MFWs had some faulty components in the amp section. That's a supplier issue that has presumedly been rectified. The new MFWs and amps are supposed to be hitting AV123 this month. As Mark Joslin told me...."they're on the water"....meaning they've shipped from the new supplier.

The rest....the pre-order business, I have no clue. I wasn't a part of that.

I will also say that I've got some issues with my MFW. It's operational. It may be an amp issue. It will work fine for days on end. Then, some days, the amp doesn't come on. Next day, it works again. But, this week it's worked just fine. I did have to do some surgery on mine to reattach some bracing. That shouldn't have left QC with that issue, at all.

When it works, it's a great sub. I'm waiting for one of the new ones to hit this month. Mark J did give me the option to send mine back for a full refund. I chose to wait until the new ones arrive and swap mine out, though.

None of that addresses which is better....SVS vs MFW. Almost pulled the trigger on a PC12-NSD. SVS has a great rep. We can talk about enclosure tuning, ports, etc. But, I'm of the mind that, just like muscle cars, "there's no replacement for displacement". A 15 inch driver will move more air than a 12" driver.

Another little tidbit, the MFW 15 was designed by Mark Seaton, if that matters to you.

Sorry, Scott. I kind of spoke for you. Your posts must have been made the same time I was writing mine. I do agree. This isn't the place for any speculation. MFW 15s are great subs. From what I've read, so are SVS subs. Between the two, there aren't any bad choices.

Sorry, Scott. I kind of spoke for you. Your posts must have been made the same time I was writing mine. I do agree. This isn't the place for any speculation. MFW 15s are great subs. From what I've read, so are SVS subs. Between the two, there aren't any bad choices.

He no worries! SVS makes some fantastic subs and they have a very loyal following. I know I looked at their subs when I was in the market. I picked up first a single MFW, then a second and I don't know if I could be happier. There are subs with more output than my duals, but not a ton and most don't look as nice either :D

Regarding my salary, I was salaried but it wasn't much and was only part time so the money was really just play money. To my knowledge, only myself and Luis have been let go. Everyone else is still there and kickin hard. I was talking to Jess and he said business is still going very well.

But that is OT and better left to PM so I apologize.

But, I'm of the mind that, just like muscle cars, "there's no replacement for displacement". A 15 inch driver will move more air than a 12" driver.I don' t know why people keep saying this. It may or may not be true in this comparison. To use your car analogy, displacement is bore AND stroke. A 15" driver only has a larger bore than a 12". You need to know the stroke to get the displacement.

I don' t know why people keep saying this. It may or may not be true in this comparison. To use your car analogy, displacement is bore AND stroke. A 15" driver only has a larger bore than a 12". You need to know the stroke to get the displacement.

Good point. So, considering the excursion I experience with an MFW, it indeed is "big block" displacement.

"The new amps are on the water."

How long is the trip from China? I hate to say it but there is an old saying about a slow boat...

If you have not been following AV123 for the last year, you might not know how many delays there have been with products that are on the water.

IIRC, there were problems with customs, and maybe even Homeland Security.

Then there is the issue of checking the new amps for Quality Control. Is AV123 going to check these amps in Colorado before they either install them in new MFWs or send them out as replacments?

"The new amps are on the water."

How long is the trip from China? I hate to say it but there is an old saying about a slow boat...

If you have not been following AV123 for the last year, you might not know how many delays there have been with products that are on the water.

IIRC, there were problems with customs, and maybe even Homeland Security.

Then there is the issue of checking the new amps for Quality Control. Is AV123 going to check these amps in Colorado before they either install them in new MFWs or send them out as replacments?

Those are all really good questions. Further, I don't know if they're coming from PRC, or Cali.

Might be worth a call to Kyle or Mark to get those questions answered, though.

Those are all really good questions. Further, I don't know if they're coming from PRC, or Cali.

Might be worth a call to Kyle or Mark to get those questions answered, though.


The new amps are coming from China.

The good news is that the ship does not have to go through the Panama Canal like the stuff from Cali. There was a major delay with a shipment stuck at the Panama Canal.

How do the specs on this DIY project compare with the SVS MFW15 and the HSU sub woofers. The project is going to roughly 1500$ so now I am wondering if the DIY project is worth it or if i should invest in a HT Designed subwoofer


REF: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1127003

Though the amps might be on the boat, what about the boxes from Columbia. From my understanding I don't think those are complete yet.

Though the amps might be on the boat, what about the boxes from Columbia. From my understanding I don't think those are complete yet.

Any questions about enclosures (or amps) should be directed to AV123.

Hi Folks this thread is now closed as the OP simply asked to compare these two subs and as usual it turns into off topic. If you folks want to discuss the forum operations of another site please take it somewhere else as AVS is not the place. This forum is for techncial help and support and all this drama related stuff is not needed.

Thanks all