Trying to get solid info on difference between Kuro PDP-6020FD and PRO 151FD. Sure I read the specs and some reviews, but I still have trouble putting them in perspective in terms of PQ and build quality, advantages, etc. Is the latter worth the extra $$ or pretty much the same set with some extra bells.

Also, anyone know warranty situation after the Kuro line's demise in few months?

My 60" RP LCD is dying so...

Thanks.

I own a 6020/
what I have heard:
- Pro parts are "hand picked" quality (??)
- same exact screen in both

what I know:
- Pro has all the tweaking options available, the 6020 only has the basics available (but you CAN get to most tweaks with Control Cal program a laptop and serial cable)

The 6020 has been a good unit for me overall.

Also, anyone know warranty situation after the Kuro line's demise in few months?

My 60" RP LCD is dying so...

Thanks.

Warranty won't be affected as Pioneer will still be in business and thus would be obligated to cover the warranty regardless if they still make TV's or not. I wouldn't let that effect your decision.

The 151 will:

Give you an extra year of warranty.

Give you more picture adjustments without the need for special software.

Provide slightly more accurate (perfect) color if you have it calibrated.

Have a better anti-reflective screen.

Provide you with unlockable ISFccc menus which will allow you to dial in a much brighter picture without clipping whites/destroying gamma. This requires special software ($25) or a pro-calibration.

If you often watch TV in a bright room, the Elite would be my choice. If not, the non-Elite would likely be fine for you.

Rip

Rip

who's Rip?

who's Rip?

rip = Rest In Peace, Kuro's are discontinued.

rip = Rest In Peace, Kuro's are discontinued.

wil be discontinued. They're still available. ;)

wil be discontinued. They're still available. ;)

I've always used the word "discontinued" to refer to whether an item is still in production or not. In this case I believe the Kuro's are no longer being produced.

I use "sold out" to refer to when a product is no longer available.

But hey that's just me. :cool:

The 151 will:

Give you an extra year of warranty.

Give you more picture adjustments without the need for special software.

Provide slightly more accurate (perfect) color if you have it calibrated.

Have a better anti-reflective screen.

Provide you with unlockable ISFccc menus which will allow you to dial in a much brighter picture without clipping whites/destroying gamma. This requires special software ($25) or a pro-calibration.

If you often watch TV in a bright room, the Elite would be my choice. If not, the non-Elite would likely be fine for you.

Don't forget that the elite has left and right side mounted speakers as opposed to the single bottom mounted on the non-elite.

Don't forget that the elite has left and right side mounted speakers as opposed to the single bottom mounted on the non-elite.

And this made a difference for me when I chose the 5020 over the 111. I have the set located in a corner with limited space, so the several extra inches on the Elite made it a no go.

I also have a bright room with a large picture window opposite the 5020 and have no problems watching during the day.

Don't forget that the elite has left and right side mounted speakers as opposed to the single bottom mounted on the non-elite.

The speakers are detachable.

I've always used the word "discontinued" to refer to whether an item is still in production or not. In this case I believe the Kuro's are no longer being produced.

I use "sold out" to refer to when a product is no longer available.

But hey that's just me. :cool:

hehe, well technically they are still being produced at least through the end of April from what I saw posted. ;)

maxdog03, ^^ you are correct. Through the end of April Pioneer will be manufacturing mostly Kuro Reference 50" and 60" Panels in their USA Pomona CA factory.

These newly introduced American KRP monitors are the European Elite's. Thin low profile panels and more energy efficient, closely akin to the 101 and 141 monitors. Elite glass and video adjustments.

-Robert

Who will actually posses the last Kuro ever made?

Rip

Yet again, another useless post from Auditor :rolleyes: BTW, I thought you said you owned a 5020, not that I or anyone else on this forum actually believe you since you credibility is measured in the Kelvin scale, but if you don't like the set, then I have a suggestion for you... RETURN IT :mad:

Anyway, since the OP would like useful information, the Elite is the better way to go because:

1.) ISFccc can make the set brighter and more accurate
2.) Advantage of 2 color spaces, instead of one. Color space 2 adheres closely to the accepted color standard, while color space 1 allows for a wider gamut of colors. Non-Elites are locked to CS1.
3.) Extra controls, such as noise reduction, gamma, and black level enhancement (black crush) are locked to a particular mode (e.g., Game mode has different locked features than Movie mode and it cannot be changed per mode). So if you like Performance mode, but you don't like black level enhancement, you are stuck with it regardlessly.)
2.) Better anti-reflective screen
3.) Longer warranty
4.) Pure mode (if ISF Day/Night doesn't make you happy) which allows for the most accurate image out of the box
5.) Better (and still detachable) speakers

You may also consider the KRP-500 series, which has most features of the Elite, but at a price point of the non-Elites. In addition, the speakers and stand from the Elites can be ordered separately (e.g., EBay) and will work with the KRPs. Please see Soso's sticky on this in the plasma section of this forum for more details. Hope this helps!

I also have a bright room with a large picture window opposite the 5020 and have no problems watching during the day.

Ditto. The whole "OMG PLASMAS DON'T WORK IN BRIGHT ROOMS!" thing is way way way overblown.

here is what chadmak09 said

Elite vs non elite

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=15676951&postcount=5

I bought the 6020 (non-Elite) and then decided to get a 151 (Elite).

The 6020 was an amazing TV, but the amount of settings were hard to live with since I was used to having alot of picture controls coming from a 5080 and an XBR4.


(ELITE (111/151) OR NON-ELITE (5020/6020))?????


Here are the settings/features the Elites (111/151) have:
Settings:

1. Brighness
2. Sharpness
3. Color
4. Contrast
5. Tint
6. A/V selection (Optimum/Performance/PURE/Movie/Sport/Game/Standard)
7. Pure cinema selection (Film mode ON/OFF, Text optimization ON/OFF)
8. Intelligent mode (OFF / MODE1 / MODE2)
9. DRE (Off / HIGH / MID / LOW)
10. BLK LVL (ON / OFF)
11. ACL (ON / OFF)
12. Enhanser mode (1 / 2 / 3)
13. GAMMA selection (1 / 2 / 3)
14. Color temp (Manual/LOW/Mid-LOW/Mid/Mid-High/High)
15. CTI (ON / OFF)
16. Color management (R / Y / G / C / B / M)
17. Color space (1 / 2)
18. 3DNR (OFF / HIGH / MID / LOW)
19. Field NR (OFF / HIGH / MID / LOW)
20. Block NR (ON / OFF)
21. Mosquito NR (OFF / ON)

Features:

1. Color sensor (not availible with non-elites)
2. Backlit remote (not availible with non-elites. But you can order the 111/151 remote from Pioneer and use it on your 5020/6020 if you really want a backlit remote.)
3. Elite color filter. (not availible with non-elites)

*Warranty-2 years*


Here are the Features/Settings the non-elites (5020/6020) have:
1. Brightness
2. Sharpness
3. Color
4. Contrast
5. Tint
6. A/V selection (Optimum/Performance/Movie/Sport/Game/Standard/NO PURE MODE)
7. Pure cinema selection (Film mode ON/OFF, Text optimization ON/OFF)

*Warranty-1year*




-Chadmak09

It's as simple as this. Do you like to play with your settings and tweak your TV? If so, do NOT buy the 5020FD. I have compared that TV vs the 850U (I own both) and hands down the 850U wins in just about every category. Even the blacks are very close. Most guys will think I'm crazy but it's true.

i mean no disrespect but you seem to be the only one who perfers the panny over the 5020.

though one thing is sure, if you like to tweek your tv get elite if you want a whatever set it and forget it then get the 5020.

i would rather get the elite and adjust to my liking even if dont do much tweeking you know you will always have that option,

Also elite has a better diffrent filter to make it brighter during bright ambient lighting. it has pure mode which is insanely nice enough 2yr warranty insted of 1 and other things.

It's as simple as this. Do you like to play with your settings and tweak your TV? If so, do NOT buy the 5020FD. I have compared that TV vs the 850U (I own both) and hands down the 850U wins in just about every category. Even the blacks are very close. Most guys will think I'm crazy but it's true.

I just received my pioneer 151 but when the box was removed for inspection there was a big crack down the screen and they packed it up and drove off. Another one has already been ordered and I am concerned something will be the matter with that one and all the 151s will be sold out.

I just received my pioneer 151 but when the box was removed for inspection there was a big crack down the screen and they packed it up and drove off. Another one has already been ordered and I am concerned something will be the matter with that one and all the 151s will be sold out.

Ouch, that's a bummer. Hopefully your new one will be here quickly and you can enjoy it.

Even the blacks are very close. Most guys will think I'm crazy but it's true.

I've owned both a 9g non elite and a Panasonic 11g and what you're saying is really off base. The blacks are NOT close, don't you watch movies? Any movie I watched on the Panasonic had grey bars.. the blacks never disappeared into the bezel. The Kuro on the other hand almost always has the black bars disappearing into the bezel and this in complete darkness!

I can agree they look a bit washed out though compared to the Panasonics because of the forced processing on the non elites but I was still bowled over going from a 85U to a 5020. Maybe the more accurate color points on the 850U make up for the difference in blacks? All in all if they had the same black level no doubt the 850U is far superior, but I can't see myself taking that step back even for better color with the black levels I saw on an 85U.

If we are talking LCDs maybe because at least during the day the blacks would look inky but on the Panny they never did, that's unacceptable to me.