I have a system i built for myself and am curious what you all think the best cables would be for under $100. It is a three way system running 200w/ch with a max run of 7 ft. I have the ability to cryogenically treat the cables myself, so i don't need that feature.
thanks for your consideration!

I have the ability to cryogenically treat the cables myself, so i don't need that feature.

lol, okay ;)

www.monoprice.com

or

www.bluejeanscable.com


anything else is purely a waste of money. If you spend even close to $100 for 7ft of cable, you should freeze yourself too ;)

There is no way you will be able to treat the cables cryogenically as effectively as the big name, high dollar cable makers. The good news is you will be able to burn them in as well as anybody else though.

The good news is you will be able to burn them in as well as anybody else though.


hehe, Im going to love this thread :D

I already am.

thanks for the links. i went to an audiophile show here in denver and it seemed that a lot of the cable manufacturers had their cables treated. is there much evidence out there that treating the cables helps at all? i work at a manufacturing facility that has its own in house heat treating plant, so the technology is readily available to me, so when i'd seen that these manufacturers were treating their cables, i thought "hmm." . would it be a waste of my time? any graphical evidence of improvement? or reviews on such cables?

Don't forget to liberate all that oxygen in your copper! That stuff sounds terrible-night and day terrible!

JK-see post #2

http://www.clipartof.com/images/thumbnail/1947.gif

Something to check on now and again...pretty slow at work today.

P.S. And I really want to know what equipment the OP has.

We have a small vacumn chamber here at work. It has a placard on it that reads "For Outgasing Purposes Only!". I think I'll bring all my cables in tomorrow and give it a whirl.

You guys think that will help? :D

We have a small vacumn chamber here at work. It has a placard on it that reads "For Outgasing Purposes Only!". I think I'll bring all my cables in tomorrow and give it a whirl.

You guys think that will help? :D

i'll send you mine so you can abx it... ;)

to the op: no, there isn't any evidence that "treating" cables "helps". as a matter of fact, there's mountains of evidence to the contrary.

yo, yosh... share the popcorn... :)

We have a small vacumn chamber here at work. It has a placard on it that reads "For Outgasing Purposes Only!". I think I'll bring all my cables in tomorrow and give it a whirl.

You guys think that will help? :D

I never clued into the fact that one of my customers is a frozen foods warehouse and they have "Blast" freezer that I could take my cables too over the weekend.

Oh boy, I can not wait until I hear the difference :D

I never clued into the fact that one of my customers is a frozen foods warehouse and they have "Blast" freezer that I could take my cables too over the weekend.

Oh boy, I can not wait until I hear the difference :D

Awesome! Hey, tell you what......you blast freeze mine and I will outgas your's. What'd ya say?

darn... :(

i'm stuck with warm gassy cables... :p

Awesome! Hey, tell you what......you blast freeze mine and I will outgas your's. What'd ya say?


hehe, Deal!

I'm an X-Ray engineer and have access to an X-Ray system.

I can x-ray the cables, which will allow all the electrons to line up in one direction. This will allow the signals to the speakers to be accelerated, which in turn frees up power at the amplifier or receiver and prevents early failure of your amps.

I hate when my lunch causes outgassing.

I hate when my lunch causes outgassing.

gotta stay away from those salads in the middle of the day bob... :D

To the OP (remember him?):

Questions about cables generate a certain giddiness around here, as you can see. Your question suggests a lack of knowledge about what is and is not important in a cable. You might find this page (http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm) helpful in that regard. It was written by the former director of acoustic research for McIntosh, a none-too-shabby audio company.

Pay attention!

Only Monoprice, Tartan, and Blue Jeans cables will get a glowing recommendation around here.

Guess why.;)

I wonder if outgassing the cables will take care of the sever farting sound I've been hearing for two weeks? :p

I think my speakers hold more gas than my cables, I wondered why the response at
50Hz was so bloated. :p

I think I love this thread already. :D

Only Monoprice, Tartan, and Blue Jeans cables will get a glowing recommendation around here.

Guess why.;)

Because they "pay" to advertise on the forum. That's business.

Recommendations come from practical use/observations, not from "allegiance" to an advertiser. :rolleyes:

I'm sure if Mon$ter offered to pay to advertise here, you'd see the advert.

Guess why.;)

because they work? and in the case of monoprice and tartan, cheap? and in the case of blue jeans, a guy who sells well constructed cable custom made to your desire and doesn't practice any type of cable shamanism?

if that isn't good enough for you, well, then i don't know what to tell you...

Because they "pay" to advertise on the forum. That's business.

Recommendations come from practical use/observations, not from "allegiance" to an advertiser. :rolleyes:

I'm sure if Mon$ter offered to pay to advertise here, you'd see the advert.

Nonsense. I recommend BlueJeans specifically for critical applications because of the quality of the cabling, which is crucial in some situations. If you need the performance, then you use professional cabling products such as broadcast grade Belden cable. That's what bluejeans uses in constructing much of what they sell, which is why I recommend them. If you have the ability to make the cables yourself (only cost effective if you need to make a bunch), then I would recommend going directly to Belden and getting the raw cable. Most people do not have the tools or know-how to do this, thus they go to bluejeans for pre-terminated cables.

Most of the time, wire of this quality is overkill for the home. But some applications, particularly video, demand high quality cabling. If you need professional grade, buy professional grade, and KNOW what you're buying and WHY you're buying it. That's what bluejeans offers to the home user, not the broadcast studio.

If I had two identical cables - one which was treated and one which wasn't - and being careless, dropped them on the floor while carrying them in the night, how could I tell which was which?

Nonsense. I recommend BlueJeans specifically for critical applications because of the quality of the cabling, which is crucial in some situations.

Nonsense?
Before you quote me, why not read the context of the previous poster before singling me out. :mad:

No one said BJC is good, bad, better or worse than any cable manufacturer or forum sponsor/advertiser.

If you are a BJC flag waver, bully for you. :rolleyes:
Someone spit on your Big Mac today?

Nonsense?
Before you quote me, why not read the context of the previous poster before singling me out. :mad:

No one said BJC is good, bad, better or worse than any cable manufacturer or forum sponsor/advertiser.

If you are a BJC flag waver, bully for you. :rolleyes:
Someone spit on your Big Mac today?

You're right, and I didn't mean to come off harsh anyway. I interpreted your post as more along the lines that their recommendations come mainly because of their advertisements on the forum. You could just as easily ignore the word 'nonsense' in my post and the rest is the gist of what I wanted to say anyway, not as a response.

In any case:
If you are a BJC flag waver, bully for you.

The whole point of my post above was that I am primarily a flag waver for Belden or other similar professional cabling products. BJC just happens to be a great place to buy that cabling pre-terminated, another place is RAM electronics. If I am a partisan, then consider me a Belden partisan.

C'mon guys, take it easy. As far as the OP, if there was actually one, he registered on April 1st and asked a question about cryogenically treating cables.............

Me thinks one of our forum bros was playing a joke on us. Hence the "in jist" nature of most of the posts.

You're right, and I didn't mean to come off harsh anyway. I interpreted your post as more along the lines that their recommendations come mainly because of their advertisements on the forum.
My intention of the post was completely the opposite. Their advertisement/sponsorship has nothing whatsoever to do with most recommendations. If anything, jpjibberjabber's comment (which I quoted in my post) is nonsense IMO. ;)

My intention of the post was completely the opposite. Their advertisement/sponsorship has nothing whatsoever to do with most recommendations. If anything, jpjibberjabber's comment (which I quoted in my post) is nonsense IMO. ;)

I definitely agree. My fault for skimming threads and posts way too quickly!

All is well... thanks for the response. :)

If I had two identical cables - one which was treated and one which wasn't - and being careless, dropped them on the floor while carrying them in the night, how could I tell which was which?

I love this response.... Does anyone know ?

I love this response.... Does anyone know ?

Yes it's easy. Just listen to both and the one that sounds warmer is the one that hasn't been frozen. ;)

But you do have to make sure they're pointed the right direction. Wire being unidirectional and all...
:p

I love this response.... Does anyone know ?

DUH! Everyone knows this... First you need to wrap the cables in aluminum foil to protect them from harmful EMI then let them sit on top of your 1000W (the bigger the better) Class A amp overnight. This will effectively cook / treat them again using the musical high end heat, relaxing the molecules to get rid of the impure residual energy. Then put them in the freezer overnight as to compact the copper molecules and promote faster signal transient. You should do this once a week actually as they will lose the purity effect. If you don't use ferrite cable raisers (to cancel the negative elements from floor) and they are touching the floor, the effect will be gone within a few hours and you would have to repeat the wonderful process all over again.

Aren't you glad I'm around...

Hey guys, I outgassed my cables and got them all hooked up. I didn't notice the difference I was hoping for. :( Then it hit me! Duh.....I had forgotten my sub interconnect. I'm going to outgas that as soon as I can. Then it will be awesome! :D

I'll report back my findings. :)

Hey guys, I outgassed my cables and got them all hooked up. I didn't notice the difference I was hoping for. :( Then it hit me! Duh.....I had forgotten my sub interconnect. I'm going to outgas that as soon as I can. Then it will be awesome! :D

I'll report back my findings. :)

I am having difficulty in figuring which part of this thread is leg pulling and which part is serious! :confused:

I am having difficulty in figuring which part of this thread is leg pulling and which part is serious! :confused:

This is a science forum, how dare you accuse us of playing around! All in the name of science!!!

I really enjoy these threads about cables. If I had a dollar for each thread that contains some version of this discussion, I'd have.....a lot. In this one, I really liked the x-ray item. Just perfect. LMAO

I have found that spending a little more and getting cables with both horizontal and vertical polarization are best. Monoprice and Bluejeans carry them at a reasonable price.

Where can I obtain a Flux-Capacitor? Connecting one between the shield and ground has a profound effect on cable performance and will extend the frequency response of your system well beyond 2 giga-nanos!

Don't be lulled into thinking science has anything to do with any of this. Modern marketing folk know physics is soooo last century!

Arf!

I am having difficulty in figuring which part of this thread is leg pulling and which part is serious! :confused:

lmao! :D