Ah, I did... figured he was a goner. Cool :)

I agree the fire was dumb; it would have been a much better screen if it was started between the car and the shooter, not between the car and the bar.

I do find most of the characters left are at least semi-likable. Oddly though I'm fine if the groom (I'm horrible with names) or Abby bites it. I would like to see the Brit (Cal?), the blonde, and the bride (Trish?) all survive though.

Not having seen last week's episode until last night, my wife and I were attempting to catch up on Robin's (alternate) storyline from HarpersGlobe.com, with the thought that it might provide a bit more insight into goings on, or perhaps other hints about the real killer. It's become rather engrossing over time, but (at least so far) has not given us any real inside clues about Wakefield, motivations, etc.

Has anyone else been keeping up with Robin's story, and what have you thought of it?

Not having seen last week's episode until last night, my wife and I were attempting to catch up on Robin's (alternate) storyline from HarpersGlobe.com, with the thought that it might provide a bit more insight into goings on, or perhaps other hints about the real killer. It's become rather engrossing over time, but (at least so far) has not given us any real inside clues about Wakefield, motivations, etc.

Has anyone else been keeping up with Robin's story, and what have you thought of it?

I've watched all the webisodes. They are more about Robin and the first victim rather than providing anything really useful to the series itself.

I haven't seen anybody mention this but when they showed the hand of the person impersonating the sheriff, who had just shot the 2 state troopers, I said to myself that that is a woman's hand. I have no idea what woman but I say without a doubt that it is a woman in my opinion.

I haven't seen anybody mention this but when they showed the hand of the person impersonating the sheriff, who had just shot the 2 state troopers, I said to myself that that is a woman's hand. I have no idea what woman but I say without a doubt that it is a woman in my opinion.

My wife and I both thought it was obviously NOT the Sheriff's hands, although we disagreed as to whether it was female or not. I thought it was female, my wife thought it was just a skinnier and younger male.

I've watched all the webisodes. They are more about Robin and the first victim rather than providing anything really useful to the series itself.

Not surprising, but it made the webisodes a bit silly. You have a few characters that die in the web series, with the corpses on the island out in the open described as not too far away from events in the TV show, but of course they don't get discovered in the tv show. Would have been nice if they used the inns "skeleton key" idea in the tv show

My wife and I both thought it was obviously NOT the Sheriff's hands, although we disagreed as to whether it was female or not. I thought it was female, my wife thought it was just a skinnier and younger male.

My wife and I had the same discussion, except she thought it was female and I thought it was just a skinnier male.

My wife and I had the same discussion, except she thought it was female and I thought it was just a skinnier male.

To me the hands looked more feminine than masculine. I kind of dismissed it after Wakefield was revealed. But now I'm leaning towards the bar tender, (forgot her name) as Wakefield's kid.

I can't wait for the finale on the 11th. It will be nice to have back-to-back episodes to finish it up.

We found ourselves wondering, especially after the wedding party finally started noticing people missing, but especially after this past episode - where are the rest of the islanders? Are they holed up on the other side of the island (a la Gilligan's Island) and unaware of what's going on, or?

For that matter, if we're led to believe that Robin Matthews' story is concurrent with the TV story, where is she? Is she aware of anything going on outside her story bubble on the island?

We really don't know much about the island or population. Since they were sent home, are most of the people who work at the inn local to the island, other nearby islands or mainland? Is that cannery mostly populated by traveling fishermen?

Robin was only in the 4th episode of the tv show. Robin is aware of her own story, but there are elements of wakefield that she researched while scanning the articles for the website... she also knew something fishy happened at the church.

We really don't know much about the island or population. Since they were sent home, are most of the people who work at the inn local to the island, other nearby islands or mainland? Is that cannery mostly populated by traveling fishermen?

Robin was only in the 4th episode of the tv show. Robin is aware of her own story, but there are elements of wakefield that she researched while scanning the articles for the website... she also knew something fishy happened at the church.
I guess with all the rush to get the wedding party on the boat and off the island, then the frantic search for Madison and the tangent that took everyone one, it was easy to (forget?) that EVERYONE was supposedly leaving the island. Seems to me that it may have purposely not been made clear WHO exactly was leaving.

That being said, it probably SHOULD be suspicious that the barkeep is still there, as she's been mostly a peripheral character until now.

That being said, it probably SHOULD be suspicious that the barkeep is still there, as she's been mostly a peripheral character until now.

I figured just one more character to kill that's not part of the core group that's left, but I do like the theory she's Wakefield's daughter.

Some of these characters need to go to sleep as they have been awake for over 48hours...

TV GUIDE in its latest issue on the final episode: "The only thing more shocking than the identity of the killer is that CBS gave up so early on this fun murder mystery".

Wow. Quite the body count last night! A lot of silly "slasher flick" behaviour, like splitting up a lot, but all in all a rather good episode. The two-hour finale should be fun!

You guys are still getting it on Thursdays up there? Down here it got moved to Saturdays.

thursday at 10pm on global

Oops! Sorry guys, I forgot that it was moved to Saturdays down in the States. Good thing I didn't name names in my last post and explain how Abby is the killer after all :cool: (just kidding)!

thursday at 10pm on global

So this means that the killer will be known on the Thursday before the final episode on Saturday?

i originally thought booth was the killer, his death of shooting himself in the leg looked out of place. but with only the 2 hr finally left I know believe the killer is henry

on global website it listed as ending on july 9, cbs july 11.

My God, its Lou Ashby, from "Califorication"....weird.
I am just ready for this to be over, its good but damn, its run its course.

I was really disappointed in this episode. The series went from a decent cat and mouse game to a bloodbath. We have all of these people together in one place; armed to the teeth; and Wakefield is still able to murder them. I mean....what sheer stupidity.

I too am glad it will soon be over, as I am beginning to think the critics who panned this show may have been right. Still great outdoor scenes and creepy music.

The bodies did pile up this episode. What I didn't like was they made Wakefield almost superhuman. Kind of like Jason from Friday the 13th. Not too mention these guys are the worst shots in tv history. Wakefield busts thru the door at the Cannery and kills the blond barkeep. Trish is standing 10 feet away with a double barrel shotgun. Does she fire? Nope. Instead Shane does some hand-to-hand combat with him. All in all, I'm still enjoying the show, and I'm looking forward to the 2 hour finale.

Well, we are coming to the end, and with the recent deaths my list of suspects has dwindled considerably.

I still have hopes that the 2 hour finale in 2 weeks (ick!) will provide the very missing motive for all this bloodletting. Obviously Wakefield is a killer, but there is a final shoe to drop concerning his accomplice. I doubt it is who all signs pointed to in the previews since this show is really good at careful editing and mis-direction!

As for these people being lousy shots....those were some of my worse "oh, come on" moments.

Well it wasn't just the lousy shots, it was the shots they didn't even attempt, like the one Waboman mentioned.

this is going to be my prediction for the final show. I think abby, jimmy shea, madison, sully will survive, I think Wakefield, danny, trish and henry will die, I think henry is the killer and he will kill trish, abby will kill wakefield and jimmy will kill henry. I think henry is wakefield son, the reason abby is still alive is because of henry being her brother. I think jimmy is still alive because henry loves his sister and doesn't want too take jimmy from her..

I really like this show but that was so freaking lame. To be standing by the killer and all he has is a knife and you have a double barrel shotgun and do nothing. Unbelievable. He would be dead in minutes. Let him get closer and bam he is dead. Lame.

a shot gun?! where is the spray of shrapnel shot. Not sure what they are using but, why would wakefield not be injured by a miss shot so close?

this is going to be my prediction for the final show. I think abby, jimmy shea, madison, sully will survive, I think Wakefield, danny, trish and henry will die, I think henry is the killer and he will kill trish, abby will kill wakefield and jimmy will kill henry. I think henry is wakefield son, the reason abby is still alive is because of henry being her brother. I think jimmy is still alive because henry loves his sister and doesn't want too take jimmy from her..

You may be right on. I haven't seen a better explanation, and I don't have one.

Agree with the above comments about the shotguns....I was groaning everytime they'd run away from Wakefield with his giant knife thingy. I really didn't like them making Wakefield like Jason....he just stands there, and doesn't even flinch at people shooting at him.

Oh well. Kindof looking forward to it being over right now.

this is going to be my prediction for the final show. I think abby, jimmy shea, madison, sully will survive, I think Wakefield, danny, trish and henry will die, I think henry is the killer and he will kill trish, abby will kill wakefield and jimmy will kill henry. I think henry is wakefield son, the reason abby is still alive is because of henry being her brother. I think jimmy is still alive because henry loves his sister and doesn't want too take jimmy from her..

Abbey is not Henry's sister. They have been friends since childhood. I can not for the life of me determine the motivation for Wakefield's murderous actions. He mentioned Abbey's mom and I suspect he was in love with her. His beef should be with Abbey's family and perhaps other locals but why indiscrimate killing of Cal,Chloe and all the others? The show took a tremendous turn downward in this episode and it was completely ridiculous for Trish to not shoot at Wakefield when she was so close.

Abbey is not Henry's sister. They have been friends since childhood. I can not for the life of me determine the motivation for Wakefield's murderous actions. He mentioned Abbey's mom and I suspect he was in love with her. His beef should be with Abbey's family and perhaps other locals but why indiscrimate killing of Cal,Chloe and all the others? The show took a tremendous turn downward in this episode and it was completely ridiculous for Trish to not shoot at Wakefield when she was so close.

Not if...... wait for it...... Trish is Wakefield's accomplice! Yep, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;) Seriously, where did she get her firearm lessons, the Imperial Storm Trooper training academy? She's just pissed because she knows that, deep down, Henry really loves his childhood friend Abby. And her father's sinister evilness was genetically passed down to her. So, she's being subconsciously scorned and ya'll all know what happens when an unstable woman is subconsciously scorned, doncha'? Dat's right - carnage!

Agree that they're making Leob, uh, I mean Wakefield, out to be some kind of Michael Myers-type superman. He doesn't seem to fear death, perhaps he's just waiting for it - to put him out of his homicidal anguish or something. He really ought to be limping pretty good from that shotgun blast that hit the ground right next to his foot. And he seems to also be pretty good at dodging other shotgun blasts through doors.

Thought maybe he was going to let Cal live after he demonstrated he would be willing to die to protect Chloe (the question Wakefield posed to Chloe led me down that "dead" end). So much for that.

Really enjoying this mercifully limited-run series but Mrs. Skippy and I were wondering if this was the bloodiest, goriest television show ever? :confused::eek: Not that that's a bad thing. As long as network executives and the FCC keep us from seeing any female boobage, we're pretty sure the republic will survive with its morals intact.

iv seen previews of the final episode where trish is in a wedding dress, she's running from Jw and runs right into Henry. I believe this will be the big scene, thinking she is safe i think Henry will kill trish

By my count, that's 2 of you who believe Henry is the bad guy and will kill Trish. Any others?

By my count, that's 2 of you who believe Henry is the bad guy and will kill Trish. Any others?

Make me a reluctant #3. Not because I think that this makes any sense or is the stuff of satisfying story-telling but because I think that the writers have painted themselves into a cul-de-sac with all their misdirection and their failure to provide us with a motive for Wakefield's actions.

Did Abby's mom not know that her daughter's best friend was also her half-brother? Was Henry aware of his relationship to Wakefield during the first set of murders? Did the sheriff know squat? How about Henry's uncle? Did he know that his nephew was adopted? The son of a psycho killer qu'est-ce que c'est? If so, why did he not run run away?

Make me a 4th. Primarily because all along he's been the most calm and reassuring to others.

I agree with others regarding Wakefield and his Jason/Freddie like appearance, it's a distraction for me.

I'll also say, there really better be a good reason for all the killing. I don't want to go through all of this just to find out it's simply because he's just crazy old Wakefield.

trish and danny are toast in episode 12 maybe Wakefield too. abby will kill Wakefield, jimmy will kill henry, sully abby jimmy, shea and madison will survive. we will see in flash backs what made henry the killer in episode 13 I wouldn't be suprised if henry was responsible for some of the original murders

I really have no idea what is going on so I will look forward to last 2 hours and enjoy and hopefully be surprised at the ending.

another thing the first to die was cousin ben b4 the ship left port. jimmy was already on the island so i doubt he could have killed ben. uncle marty originally had that bag of money. i figured he was paying off a black mailer most likely hunter since hunter got killed on the boat with the bag of money. I'm sticking with henry I just feel in my gut its him. I think he resents Abby/mom a'la Scream 3, for having the family life that should have been his.

another thing the first to die was cousin ben b4 the ship left port. jimmy was already on the island so i doubt he could have killed ben. uncle marty originally had that bag of money. i figured he was paying off a black mailer most likely hunter since hunter got killed on the boat with the bag of money. I'm sticking with henry I just feel in my gut its him. I think he resents Abby/mom a'la Scream 3, for having the family life that should have been his.

As I indicated earlier, I agree. But, my oh my, is that a cliche or what? Thirteen episodes and we get "calm, seemingly-nice guy with a crapload of mommy issues." Sorry make that "calm, seemingly-nice guy with a crapload of mommy issues who was, unbeknown to the audience, adopted and hated his putative uncle and brother so much that he lured to their death on Harper's Island."

And yet, I watch.

well I could be wrong regarding the motive but still i strongly feel its Henry.

I still go Jimmy. I know, to date they've NEVER made it the person you think it is. But it would be a good time for a switcheroo. On the whole shotgun thing, I was yelling at the tv until my wife told me to stop ;) That was the stupidist part of the show. They SHOULD have done something different there. Poor Cal. I really wanted him to make it.

My predictions... Abby, Henry, Trish, Madison make it off. Not sure on Shea, but I count her as 50/50. And MAYBE one of the two friends, but I'm guessing they are dead meat since we have 2 more episodes and need some killing. Abby's going to kill Wakefield, Henry's going to kill Jimmy.

cousin ben was the first to die. jimmy, nikki , shane where on the island. ben was killed back in Seattle. assuming wakefied was hiding on the island already. so someone from the wedding party had to kill ben. my final death and survival count will be.

sully- Lives
Abby-lives
Danny- Dies
Jimmy- Lives
Shea- Lives
JW- Dies - the killer
Henry- Dies- also the killer
Trish- Dies within the first hour at the hands of Henry
Madison- Lives ( cbs wont kill a child)

But Trish is too pretty to die!

But Trish is too pretty to die!

No kidding and along with Abby we could really have something good

well I could be wrong regarding the motive but still i strongly feel its Henry.

Your motive makes perfect sense. That's the problem. :D To make Henry the other killer, the writers have to posit something very much like the scenario you describe. It's that or demonic/space alien possession. Given Wakefield's near-supernatural powers, I wouldn't rule out the latter possibility.

It can't be Henry. Along with Abby, he's the "hero" of the piece and every indication is that he's a good guy. My money is still on Trish. Nobody can be that bad a shot unless they're trying. :D

It's possible that the sack of money ties into this more than anyone realizes ...
Will we never find out anything more about that money?
Also, When the blonde spike haired friend was walking thru the woods w/ the gun, & starting to talk about being jelous of others, & wanting love, I was waiting for him to suddenly turn & blow his friend's head off......

Who really is the LEAST likley suspect at this point... :)

All in all, I'm still enjoying the show, and I'm looking forward to the 2 hour finale.

Yeah, Wakefield's seeming invulnerability was reminding me of Jason immediately (never really cared for that series...) It definitely seemed like, for as armed as everyone was, that they guns were proving useless in every possible fashion, as they were either trying to fight without them, or if they had them, they weren't using them, and if they did use them, they were worthless. Like Petergaryr said, too many of those "oh, come on!" moments...

It was still enjoyable, and we'll be looking forward to the finale, but I couldn't help but think this was one of the weakest episodes of the season. Either that, or the number of dead this time round was just a bit harder to take...:(

It's possible that the sack of money ties into this more than anyone realizes ...
Will we never find out anything more about that money?


What more do you want to know about the money? Dad pays blackmail money to Trish's ex-boyfriend, who gets killed on boat, Henry & pals find it, some crazy antics ensue, until the money eventually gets burned up in the furnace (along with obligatory fat/unattractive guy). We already know pretty much everything about it.

As for Henry, it would be stupid of him to be killing people pre-marriage/in-the-inheritance-loop. And this show would never be stupid ;)

this is going to be my prediction for the final show. I think abby, jimmy shea, madison, sully will survive, I think Wakefield, danny, trish and henry will die, I think henry is the killer and he will kill trish, abby will kill wakefield and jimmy will kill henry. I think henry is wakefield son, the reason abby is still alive is because of henry being her brother. I think jimmy is still alive because henry loves his sister and doesn't want too take jimmy from her..
I'm inclined to disagree just a bit. Abby has to survive (vengeance, at least), and they probably can't kill Madison now. So, that means that Shea will probably have to die, and apart from some opportunity to suddenly heroicly save someone, Sully will not get the opportunity to redeem himself. Though Danny has been lucky to survive so far (prayer helps - isn't it the stereotype that the black guy usually dies quickly?), his luck will run out as the story we've been give doesn't give him reason to survive either. So, that leaves Jimmy (who may or may not be Wakefield's accomplice), who'll probably die, and Henry and Trish (one of whom will probably die, but... it's' still pretty hard to believe that one of them is to blame) Oh, and Wakefield will die, sure. I'm still pretty inclined to think that the "Wakefield's son/daughter" thing is a red herring/MacGuffin, but... who knows.

Make me a 4th. Primarily because all along he's been the most calm and reassuring to others.

I'll also say, there really better be a good reason for all the killing. I don't want to go through all of this just to find out it's simply because he's just crazy old Wakefield.
No 5th here. Though I'm not certain the Henry is the killer (and even less certain that he'll kill Trish) the JD death cliffhanger may still be more significant than the following episode might let us believe. You gotta wonder though - how did he get SO much blood on him. If Abby had found him there holding his brother in death, maybe we could have believed it, but to have him sneak up behind her, after the fact - odd.

I, too, am hoping that Wakefield has a REALLY GOOD EXCUSE for all of this. We've already had too much of Jason, Freddy, etc., in this show...:(

No kidding and along with Abby we could really have something good
Wasn't this show populated with mostly beautiful people, most of whom are dead now? No, that logic probably won't work either...

What more do you want to know about the money? Dad pays blackmail money to Trish's ex-boyfriend, who gets killed on boat, Henry & pals find it, some crazy antics ensue, until the money eventually gets burned up in the furnace (along with obligatory fat/unattractive guy). We already know pretty much everything about it.

As for Henry, it would be stupid of him to be killing people pre-marriage/in-the-inheritance-loop. And this show would never be stupid ;)

For some reason I had thought "Uncle Marty" started with the sack of money ... & that we never knew why he had it...

For some reason I had thought "Uncle Marty" started with the sack of money ... & that we never knew why he had it ...

That's what I thought, too. Isn't that correct?

That's what I thought, too. Isn't that correct?

I was pretty sure the sack of money came from Trish's dad, who hired her ex-boyfriend to come to the island to try to break up the wedding. That fails miserably, and the ex-boyfried blackmails her dad for 50 large (if I remember correctly) or he's going to tell Trish of her father's evil plan. The dad pays him off and the ex-boyfriend takes off on the boat and gets killed.

Perhaps I am mis-remembering, but that was what I recall. Now that you do mention it, I do remember Marty having a sack of cash as well. Perhaps that's where Trish's dad got the sack of money to pay off the ex-boyfriend with (because where else on the island is he going to get that kindof cash?)

Maybe my memory is just bad. Seriously, did I just make up that whole thing about the blackmail, or did that happen on the show?

EDIT: Just read up on wikipedia and I guess the dad paid off the ex-boyfriend with a CHECK, not the bag of cash. Then while on the boat, he finds Marty's bag of cash and gun before getting killed. My apologies for the confusion, as I've been thinking the cash came from Trish's dad this whole time.

uncle marty started with the bag off money. when everyone was boarding the boat for harpers island marty went too the bathroom the bag was open with a gun laying in top of the bag. he had a glass of champagne at the time as well

So, again, there's this mysterious "Uncle Marty" sack of cash, brought to the island.... Why??
It wuld be a very "loose end" to not explain this sack of cash before the end of the series ...

Well I know hunter was paid off with a check from trish dad. so the money in the bag on the boat when hunter got shot must be the bag that uncle marty had. Hunter noticed the bag, he looked suprised when he opened it. who every killed marty put that bag of money on hunters boat. i found the part were hunter finds the money he looked suprised
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qErgUrGRog&feature=related

My initial impressions when watching the pilot was that Marty might had something to do with Bens death in the pilot. I dismissed that then thought the cash maybe having something to do with the Mexican mariachi band, was Marty in Mexico? Along with a gun, Marty also had a digital still camera in that money bag and was taking pills with his champaign.

I always thought that Hunter... when finding the cash on the boat, thought it was an extra cherry on top of the check from Mr. Wellington.

oh and when abby was crawling around in the tunnels and was separated by the gate, henry went too get some pliers the same pliers that later killed Katherine from the back of the chair..

I have no idea why, but my gut tells me that only Abby and Madison will be left standing. I also think that Henry is Wakefield's accomplice.

My guess for the finale: After Abby finally kills Wakefield, there will be 4 left - Abby, Henry, Madison and a token Red Shirt, probably the uber-hottie Trish. Then the twist will come when Henry kills Trish right in front of Abby, and reveals his motive(s). He will then go after Abby, who is saved from certain death from Madison!

Just to throw a clunker into this, there is always the possibility that one of the "victims" isn't actually dead.

What better way to act with impunity if others think you are already dead?

This show has done a good job with mis-direction in previews....why not in the actual show itself?

I originally thought booth could still be alive. but I think it would be a big let down for such a minor character as jw accomplice

Just to throw a clunker into this, there is always the possibility that one of the "victims" isn't actually dead.

What better way to act with impunity if others think you are already dead?

This show has done a good job with mis-direction in previews....why not in the actual show itself?

Do you have someone in mind? I really want you to be correct. How about Booth? He wasn't actually killed by Wakefield and/or his accomplice. Did we actually see him die? Or were we told it?

booth shot himself in the leg and was supose the have bleed to death. fat guy buried him and kept the money. i thought for a long time booth might of faked his death. he was my original suspect b4 changing my mind and going with henry.

I was thinking their might even be 3 killers, Jw, Henry & Thelma harper, after all its called harpers island. she doesn't look that innocent to me ha ha
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Do you have someone in mind? I really want you to be correct. How about Booth? He wasn't actually killed by Wakefield and/or his accomplice. Did we actually see him die? Or were we told it?

No one in particular. However, if this follows in the footsteps of an Agatha Christie, And Then There Were None/Ten Little Indians plot, the theory would fit.

Not saying this is going to happen. Any of the above theories are all possibilities as well.

No matter what, despite some of its downright silly moments, this has been a nice summer diversion. I only hope that the final episode (s) provide a clear enough (and sensible) motive for all of this, and that when Wakefield's accomplice is revealed it is more of the "Of course" rather than "you've got to be kidding" as I've mentioned before.

oh and when abby was crawling around in the tunnels and was separated by the gate, henry went too get some pliers the same pliers that later killed Katherine from the back of the chair..

I don't remember what Henry went and got, but Katherine was killed with garden shears

josephga, they look similar with long handles, but Henry got bolt cutter, not garden shears.

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I find it very funny and silly that Booth was able to shoot/kill himself with a tiny bullet (from Marty's gun iirc), all while wakefield was not injured by a much larger gunshot shell/spray.

I'm still sticking with henry. I would be surprised if its anyone other than him

I find it very funny and silly that Booth was able to shoot/kill himself with a tiny bullet (from Marty's gun iirc), all while wakefield was not injured by a much larger gunshot shell/spray.

Booth shot himself in the large femoral artery running down the side of his leg - bleed out would be quick, and fatal.

Man, a LOT of activity in a thread for a 'dead' show.

I think there are only two survivors - Abby and Madison.

Madison is so scarred by the experience that, 10 years later, she becomes the killer in "Harper's Island 2: The Quickening".

Man, a LOT of activity in a thread for a 'dead' show.

I think there are only two survivors - Abby and Madison.

Madison is so scarred by the experience that, 10 years later, she becomes the killer in "Harper's Island 2: The Quickening".

I would love for them to kill off Madison. Now that would be twist I wouldn't see coming. Plus it would get rid of the most annoying (IMO) person on the show. Of course, with only one episode left, it wouldn't really matter that much, but would at least make me respect the writers a bit for being brave/non-PC and killing off the kid.

They should just nuke the island from orbit, it's the only way!:)

Booth shot himself in the large femoral artery running down the side of his leg - bleed out would be quick, and fatal.

Certainly would have bled out by the time that the out-of-shape "Vincent" (only know his Eureka character name) could have dug a grave for him.

Even if not, getting buried alive would definitely finish him off. Unless we are using Jason Vorhees universe rules.

I would love for them to kill off Madison. Now that would be twist I wouldn't see coming. Plus it would get rid of the most annoying (IMO) person on the show. Of course, with only one episode left, it wouldn't really matter that much, but would at least make me respect the writers a bit for being brave/non-PC and killing off the kid.

Not in this TV universe. Maybe in that Jason Vorhees one. ;)

They should just nuke the island from orbit, it's the only way!:)

Lol. Yep, apparently that's the only way to kill Wakefield.

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Looks like they are running the pilot again on gtv. Next week, the last 2 episodes starts at 9pm.

Looks like they are running the pilot again on gtv. Next week, the last 2 episodes starts at 9pm.

Since the "solution" is bound to leak out before the finale on July 11 on CBS, is there anyway a guy in Florida (me) can view it sooner?

I thought I would throw a guess on the possible accomplice. Off course it's just TV and it really could be any of them or none at all.

Shea.


Based upon Wakefield's quote to Chloe "I almost died once for a girl like you" or words to that effect, I think the accomplice is a woman and Wakefield's daughter. The first round of killings were motivation for this girl being mistreated (in Wakefield's view) in some way. He was wounded by the Sheriff in that first round, hence nearly dying.
That leaves Abby, Tricia and Shea. I don't think it's Abby because she is the main character and story teller. And I don't think Tricia would ruin her wedding. That leaves Shea.
Speculation: Shea was given up for adoption to her rich family. So her Father wasn't really her Father. She resented Tricia and wanted to ruin her wedding. Already knew about her husband cheating with her stepmother. With all those characters gone, she would control the family fortune.
Madison kidnapped by her "grandfather" posing as the Sheriff to deflect suspicion. Shea was quickest to accuse the Sheriff. And free to "help" because she doesn't need to care for Madison for the time Madison is being held.
Perhaps the killing of the stepmother was by the accomplice. Shea definitely had opportunity.


I suppose a similar scenario can be built for any of the remaining characters. Just knowing how TV works, it's a plausible twist I can see them writing. Jimmy is obvious and plenty of clues to point to Henry.

What do you think?

Certainly would have bled out by the time that the out-of-shape "Vincent" (only know his Eureka character name) could have dug a grave for him.

Even if not, getting buried alive would definitely finish him off. Unless we are using Jason Vorhees universe rules.

You guys are forgetting Agatha Christie 101. Don't assume anybody is dead unless you see the body.

Since the "solution" is bound to leak out before the finale on July 11 on CBS, is there anyway a guy in Florida (me) can view it sooner?
Probably p2p or torrent. But even the finale would probably get you one earlier day of viewing, unless the people put it up pretty quickly.

I thought I would throw a guess on the possible accomplice. Off course it's just TV and it really could be any of them or none at all.

Shea.


Based upon Wakefield's quote to Chloe "I almost died once for a girl like you" or words to that effect, I think the accomplice is a woman and Wakefield's daughter. The first round of killings were motivation for this girl being mistreated (in Wakefield's view) in some way. He was wounded by the Sheriff in that first round, hence nearly dying.
That leaves Abby, Tricia and Shea. I don't think it's Abby because she is the main character and story teller. And I don't think Tricia would ruin her wedding. That leaves Shea.
Speculation: Shea was given up for adoption to her rich family. So her Father wasn't really her Father. She resented Tricia and wanted to ruin her wedding. Already knew about her husband cheating with her stepmother. With all those characters gone, she would control the family fortune.
Madison kidnapped by her "grandfather" posing as the Sheriff to deflect suspicion. Shea was quickest to accuse the Sheriff. And free to "help" because she doesn't need to care for Madison for the time Madison is being held.
Perhaps the killing of the stepmother was by the accomplice. Shea definitely had opportunity.


I suppose a similar scenario can be built for any of the remaining characters. Just knowing how TV works, it's a plausible twist I can see them writing. Jimmy is obvious and plenty of clues to point to Henry.

What do you think?

I like it!

I thought I would throw a guess on the possible accomplice. Off course it's just TV and it really could be any of them or none.

What do you think?

In my earlier posts, I ruled out Jimmy because he was on the island when "propeller shaft guy" died. Then I thought it was Jimmy because we didn't see him die (Agatha Christie 101) and he shows up alive, and I figured he was dropped off by Wakefield to infiltrate the group.

Who knows?

I just hope CBS plays fair and gives us a plausible conclusion.

Hrrrm... well, it was TRISH that wanted everyone to come back to the island for the wedding.

So much for my theory of Nikki being Wakefiled's daughter....

A lot of bad plot action this episode....

I also was yelling at the TV when Trish with shotgun ran away from Wakefield who had a whale knife.

Also...why, after boarding up the tunnel door in the inn, the two guys were just talking to each other, was one of the two guys shown loading his shotgun? Shouldn't it have been loaded all along? (This is before they shot point blank through the door and missed Wakefield).

Why didn't Henry or Abbie attempt a shot at Wakefield on the pipeline? Yeah it looked to be a couple hundred yards....but a slug could go that far if you allow for elevation and wind....at least take a shot to distract him....so Chloe could have had more time to MOVE TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BARRIER!!! She just stood there while Cal was run through...and even when hanging off the side of the bridge, she could have started moving to the other side instead of just letting go.

Hope the finale is a little more realistic.

Hope the finale is a little more realistic.

Why would they start now? :D

Seriously, while it's amusing to sit here and pick holes in the plotline - of which there are more than in a block of Swiss cheese - a show like this is most enjoyable when you ignore all that stuff and just go with it. It's basically a 12 hour version of your typical summer scream flick. But there are a lot of folks to kill off here, and in such gruesomely inventive ways. That kind of creativity takes time to properly unfold. ;)

okay I went back too check some things out. here are 3 things I believe point to henry as the killer. We know henry created this card for trish too see if she would meet up with hunter. and henry did the chart that placed trish dad in the place to die.. notice the M its the same in all 3 items.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/josephga/m.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/josephga/seating.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/josephga/found.jpg

Ah, very nice catch! Either we have a very well placed clue, or their props department is lazy and didn't bother to make sure to have different writing styles.

Did Henry create that note? I thought Trish's father did....guess I'm forgetting what happened way back when.

henry created the note. he waited in the room to see if trish would show up too meet hunter. trish went too the door but never knocked.

hunter was at staying at the pines motel room4?, not the candlewick 214. So it was a setup. But I don't remember the trish part, ep 3? I never notice the seating chart, but did notice the similarities with the first and third notes. So Henry did the seating chart eh?

Yeah, how do we know Henry did the seating chart?

hunter was staying at the room 4 but trish didnt know that. henry sent her the note to come too room 214 to meet hunter just to see if she would show too met her old flame. he couldnt send her to hunters real room. she came too the room started too knock then walked away. the camera showed henry setting on the bed in the room. the M is the same on all 3 pictures. and we did see henry writing that note to trish.

Yeah, how do we know Henry did the seating chart?

Oh, if I remember, I think there was a time when Henry asked Abby if she mind being next to kal.

Did Henry create that note? I thought Trish's father did....guess I'm forgetting what happened way back when.

Maybe you're thinking of another note that says "Hunter Jennings is at the Pines Motel" was maybe from the father? It was from the manager at the pines who called candlewick. Henry asked the pines manager to keep an eye out. That was when Henry went into Hunters room, the found out that mr. wellington paid for hunters trip to the island.

I remember seeing A photo of Henry and Abby as kids. I think henry would come visit every summer and really grew close to Abby and secretly fell in love with her. every season Abby would say how much she missed their times together and wished the summer would never end. I think Henrys mission was to have abby all alone on harpers island. Henry brother jd wore his mental illness on his sleeve but I think henry hide it well. I think henrys family had too die out of fear one could tell abby how sick henry really is. henrys future inlaws had to die because he only needed trish as a excuse too get back to the island. i think his friends had too die so there would be no witnesses left.. I',m sure I'm way off on some of the details but still i think its Henry

The one abby gave trish? That was previously gonna be in the scrapbook that got ruined? I'm pretty sure that was a picture of henry and Trish, not abby.

ill be shocked if its anyone other than henry. I know a few people that think Shea's the killer. I cant see her doing it

okay I went back too check some things out. here are 3 things I believe point to henry as the killer. We know henry created this card for trish too see if she would meet up with hunter. and henry did the chart that placed trish dad in the place to die.. notice the M its the same in all 3 items.


That is some pretty decent detective work there! Yes, the M's, W's, H's, and R's are all very distinctive and similar in all samples. HOWEVER, look at the letter 'Y' from the last letter in red and compare it to all of the Y's in the seating chart from 'LUCY', 'HENRY', etc. Those Y's are very different from the last letter.

I still think it is Henry, though.

so is there a second killer? Show was advertised as "13 weeks. 25 suspects. 1 killer"

most that watch feel theres 2 killers involved. in the finally promo you can hear jw yelling too someone to stop her she's getting away..

so is there a second killer? Show was advertised as "13 weeks. 25 suspects. 1 killer"

You're correct. No sense rehashing this thing, as I think we early posters concluded (for reasons already stated) that there have to be two killers and there is no way the unknown culprit could be a woman because of the strength required.

so is there a second killer? Show was advertised as "13 weeks. 25 suspects. 1 killer"

That may have been the original idea, but assuming they are going for reality [waits for laughter to die down] Wakefield would have to be somewhat superhuman to accomplish all this by himself.

Other than that, Wakefield was revealed too early as the "killer" (though he certainly has killed his share). That would have been a big OMG moment for the last episode. If he is the only one, then all we need is the motive behind all of this.

I think they made changes along the way, theres scenes in the original promos that were cut from the show as well

I love the Shea idea. I think it'd be great if she were the 2nd killer.

I like the shea idea but don't see it. henrys connected too pretty much everyone. his family dead, his almost inlaws dead, his friends dead. I think wrapping the story around hims much easier.

One week to go.:D:mad:

i wish there were more shows done like it

I think they made changes along the way, theres scenes in the original promos that were cut from the show as well
Of course, the earliest of the original promos showed the original actors before most were recast. If you catch a couple of those promos (via YouTube, at least), most of those scenes never ended up in the broadcast version. Watching them can be very confusing (or spoiler-ish) as we see some familiar characters, and some not, and all of them doing things we never saw them do.

Of course, the earliest of the original promos showed the original actors before most were recast. If you catch a couple of those promos (via YouTube, at least), most of those scenes never ended up in the broadcast version. Watching them can be very confusing (or spoiler-ish) as we see some familiar characters, and some not, and all of them doing things we never saw them do.

Yeah, I'm still waiting for the scene where they show Abby and it looks like she's hiding and then there is a flash and they show some guy behind her screaming.

the scene with abby running in a garden maze was cut too

the scene with abby running in a garden maze was cut too

I suppose that could still play.

A bunch of stuff got cut. they shot so much stuff then trashed it. they started out with allot of different actors. I saw the original promo they kept like 4 to 6 people then recast the rest soon after they started

The blu-ray for this might be pretty good...

There are a quite few issues that are bothering me but I would like to mention one. Several episodes ago Trish and her dad were bicycling through the woods and ran into the swinging log booby trap and were knocked down. After assessing any injuries I would have gone back up to the trail and either continued down the path or go back the way I came, whichever I thought might be a shorter distance. At this point I would have seen the swinging log and been quite concerned about it. Was this put here by Wakefield and/or his accomplice to get somebody from the wedding party or any unlucky person going by? Now these 2 people start to wonder in a complete new direction without any idea where they are headed. They come across a person in the distance with a ferocious dog that is let loose. Is this Wakefield or his accomplice? Trish and Dad hide in a crypt and this person does nothing to them as they would have been an easy target. We know the killer has planned a killing of the Dad with blade dropping on his head at the rehearsal. If you are the killer with the dog, would you not want the bride and her father to be at the rehearsal so your intricate plan would work and not have them delayed? If this person is not the killer then what was the purpose of this scene? Of course our 2 wanderers show up to the church and tell no one about their experiences not even the local police. Just does not make a lot of sense to me.

The blu-ray for this might be pretty good...
There's a rather interesting article (for the more cinematography-illuminated among us) about the show at:

InCamera — July 2009 Focus On Film: Harper’s Island (http://motion.kodak.com/US/en/motion/Publications/In_Camera/Focus_on_Film/harpersIsland.htm)

which, given the filming setup, may allow them a lot of leeway in producing a blu-ray set, which should look even more outstanding than what we're seeing on broadcast.

RJO: I have always believed the swinging log booby trap was set by the burned faced deputy and the dog belonged to him. I think we have all wondered about "others" on the island, but I guess in fiction like this you can just basically ignore them if the plot doesn't involve them.

There's a rather interesting article (for the more cinematography-illuminated among us) about the show at:

InCamera — July 2009 Focus On Film: Harper’s Island (http://motion.kodak.com/US/en/motion/Publications/In_Camera/Focus_on_Film/harpersIsland.htm)

which, given the filming setup, may allow them a lot of leeway in producing a blu-ray set, which should look even more outstanding than what we're seeing on broadcast.

Thanks for the link. Fascinating even for us non techies. While, I am sure the Blu-ray will be gorgeous, I don't plan on its purchase. Although, a good "making of" might deserve a rental.

Mikey Mo: Thanks for the reply. I had forgotten about the deputy and that is plausible. Throw in a tense situation that has nothing to do with the overall killings.

We think the deputy set the log trap, but we KNOW it was the deputy with the dog - we saw him, we just weren't sure at the time who he was. Also, Trish and her father got into the back of a pickup with a camper top to get away from the dog, not a crypt.

one thing that would really make me mad would be for Shea too be the killer, get killed and we see madison staring into space saying one by one

I supported this show initially just because I like the format and wanted to encourage the continuation of it. Along the way it became a very enjoyable ride. The scenery is beautiful as are most of the actors. The story wasn't life altering or anything but better than average and certainly better than reality TV of any sort.

I really hope this is investigated as a programming model. You have a limited run, limited costs, can still sell it off on DVD, etc. Maybe it could save us from reality hell.

Instead it was quickly consigned to Sat. night so probably not though.

Christopher Gorham was on Late Late Show with Craig Ferguson again and a clip from the Harpers island was shown. He was also on when the show premiered.

I am anxiously waiting for the 2 hour series finale on Saturday and can't wait to see who did all the murders ..
I'd love to see this serialized drama format do other muder mysteries . I really like the 13 weeks mini series type thing and although CBS did a lousy job of promoting Harper's Island with the night and time change I liked watching a series that had a beginning, middle, and end and it was just like reading a great murder mystery novel and trying to figure out who did what to whom and why - very interesting .
Hope other networks will do this kind of story stuff !

Another thumbs up :D for this type of format. I found this easy to invest time in as I know there will be an ending. Did not like CBS's handling of the airings and time change. Wasn't this show promoted as running continuously on Thursday until the end. Good thing I have a dvr since that was the only way I knew about the day/time change and also the time off the show had.

Can't wait for the finale this Saturday.

Doug

be sure too stay away from the message boards after Thursday afternoon. the show airs in Canada that night

be sure too stay away from the message boards after Thursday afternoon. the show airs in Canada that night

Thanks for the heads up and hope our friends in Canada can keep from posting the details

Would it be our fault for posting, or your fault for coming here, knowing that it has aired up here???!!! :p

it would be our fault for looking

Anyone who posts the ending without using spoiler tags prior to the Saturday airing in the US needs to be beaten, eh? ;)

I think this sets a precedence. Usually it is asked to either use spoiler tags (correctly) or not comment on any spoilers until after the episode has aired. But since it is being shown in another country first before the US how is that handled?

I think we should go with the US rules because Canada can't beat the US in men's soccer. :D j/k. Personally I'm going to not come back to this thread until after I watch the final episodes, as usual.

Well I guess I will just have to stay away or maybe the Canada people can start another thread and they can talk about the outcome among themselves

Well I guess I will just have to stay away or maybe the Canada people can start another thread and they can talk about the outcome among themselves

Exactly. Our genial neighbors to the north can start another new spoiler thread if they must, but really - how hard is it to hold your powder for another couple of days until everyone gets a chance to see it?

One more day to go. Without revealing too much, anybody here seen the finale and does it "measure up"?

I've been avoiding this thread for fear of spoilers. Should be a fun 2 hours tomorrow.

One more day to go. Without revealing too much, anybody here seen the finale and does it "measure up"?

iv seen it found it on line burned it too disk and watched it earlier today. I liked it. like with any show some will some wont.

Madison is the Killer??? WTF??? After all this time they make some little kid the psychopathic killer? Puuulease. ;)

Madison is the Killer??? WTF??? After all this time they make some little kid the psychopathic killer? Puuulease. ;)

Hilarious :D

Madison is the Killer??? WTF??? After all this time they make some little kid the psychopathic killer? Puuulease. ;)

Really? Didn't look that way to me when I saw parts of the final episode while editing out the commercial/black bits.

Really? Didn't look that way to me when I saw parts of the final episode while editing out the commercial/black bits.

Your're most likely in denial because you live in a city called Madison and probably refuse to believe anything bad could be associated with that name. :D

Your're most likely in denial because you live in a city called Madison and probably refuse to believe anything bad could be associated with that name. :D

You've obviously never seen our state government in 'action'. :)

you've obviously never seen our state government in 'action'. :)


:)

Can't wait for the finale this Saturday.


Maybe I'm confused, but wasn't the killer's identity resolved at the end of the last episode?

I was kinda PO'd, thinking the finale will just be a long, tense, battle to kill that person.

Dont forget its 2 hours -- 9:00-11:00et.

Maybe I'm confused, but wasn't the killer's identity resolved at the end of the last episode?

I was kinda PO'd, thinking the finale will just be a long, tense, battle to kill that person.

Well, a killer was certainly revealed. However, given our past speculation in this thread, many believe there is another [cue sinister sounding music].

Thanks Peter. I just went back some pages in the thread and noticed that.

Guess I wasn't expecting multiple bad guys. And the plot was way too confusing to keep track of whether one person could have done it all. And I watched the whole season just this week.

Glad to have something to look forward to.

Madison had to have had some help. ;)

It is going to be a bit of torture tonight. I'm going to watch the first hour live, but I have to record the second hour because one of the few series my wife actually watches with me, Eli Stone is airing its last episode tonight.

The question will be whether I will have the patience to wait to see the final hour tomorrow (it's either that or watch the thing tonight and get so keyed up it will be really hard to gall asleep and then get up for early service tomorrow at 7 AM).

Then again, murder, mayhem and gratuitous violence is always a good way to prepare myself spiritually. :D Decisions, decisions.

Madison had to have had some help. ;)

Nah, the child is evil personified. :D

your're most likely in denial because you live in a city called madison and probably refuse to believe anything bad could be associated with that name. :d

Damn forum software, it refuses to let me enter a single line in all caps: ROTFL :D

Hey folks, I just noticed that my DVR guide (TWC, Navigator) didn't pick up the 9:00 PM EDT first hour of this two-hour finale tonight. Make sure you check for this!

Something must have gotten screwed up between the network and, at least, TWC's guide provider. Hope it didn't happen to the rest of ya'll.

okay I went back too check some things out. here are 3 things I believe point to henry as the killer. We know henry created this card for trish too see if she would meet up with hunter. and henry did the chart that placed trish dad in the place to die.. notice the M its the same in all 3 items.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/josephga/m.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/josephga/seating.jpg

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y260/josephga/found.jpg


I think we have a winner! :D

Wow what an ending! So many twists and turns! I should have know Abby and Jimmy weren't dead ... everyone who died they showed them being killed. But Henry ... had me fooled! It is interesting how so many thought Madison was some how involved. I never fell for that.

Well written show ... enjoyed it from start to finish.

"You're my.......brother!!!" Made it even more creepy!

Too bad CBS gave up on this one. Overall, I thought it actually worked as a concept.

It was ok overall, but too predictable and unbelievable. No way any person could act as sane as Henry up front but be a complete sociopath/psychopath.

I enjoyed it. A little on the cheesy side? Sure. But fun nonetheless.

Boy what can you say about Henry's motive in killing all those people. But propeller guy never got to the island.

I think we now know why they had to run the two final episodes back to back.

I can "buy" most anything, but Henry thinking he and Abby could live happily on the island, like the other inhabinants and the new Sheriff wouldn't know they were there?

Boy what can you say about Henry's motive in killing all those people. But propeller guy never got to the island.

I think we now know why they had to run the two final episodes back to back.

I can "buy" most anything, but Henry thinking he and Abby could live happily on the island, like the other inhabinants and the new Sheriff wouldn't know they were there?

Well, after all, Henry did have some traits he inherited from dear old dad---logic apparently not being one of them.

Another big clue in figuring it out was right there 5 minutes into episode 1. I realized that clue around episode 3 or 4 I went back to episode 1 too be sure and there it was..
When Abby pulled up in the Cab and was talking with the cab driver she had the wedding invitation in her hand. On the invite Henrys full name. Henry W Dunn . I don't think Henry really loved Abby she was just an obsession he would have killed her too sooner or later

Trying to avoid spoilers....major storm last night and DirecTV went out. Anybody know how long it is before either Netflix (Watch Instantly) or CBS.com will post the finale? They both only have the first 11 episodes right now.

Well to all of you that figured out it was Henry congratulations. I enjoyed the show throughoutthe season and I am very glad Abby is ok

Need more Elaine Cassidy on the tube.:D

Did not buy the motivation of "poor me, lied to all my life", just felt weak somehow. Of course Henry was a socio/psycho so maybe it is valid. Just didn't work for me.

Enjoyed the limited nature of the show and hope the networks will take chances to keep the audience interested. It was a well produced story that had many fine suspenseful moments. A definite beginning, middle and end.

Doug

Trying to avoid spoilers....major storm last night and DirecTV went out. Anybody know how long it is before either Netflix (Watch Instantly) or CBS.com will post the finale? They both only have the first 11 episodes right now.

Just checked CBS.com. The 2 hour finale is posted now.

Just checked CBS.com. The 2 hour finale is posted now.

Yeah, caught it on Netflix today (although they had the episodes reversed and had the last episode as ep 12 instead of 13...but I caught it quickly).

It was ok. No surprises, although Henry's motive was pretty stupid.....why he would want revenge on all these unrelated people seems pretty dumb, but I guess he was unhinged anyways.

Yeah, caught it on Netflix today (although they had the episodes reversed and had the last episode as ep 12 instead of 13...but I caught it quickly).

It was ok. No surprises, although Henry's motive was pretty stupid.....why he would want revenge on all these unrelated people seems pretty dumb, but I guess he was unhinged anyways.

Especially on the poor bastard who never even made it to the island.

It was ok overall, but too predictable and unbelievable. No way any person could act as sane as Henry up front but be a complete sociopath/psychopath.

Actually, sociopaths can be very charming but it masks things like a need for control, lack of empathy and an incapacity for love.

The whole "I met my dad and realized my destiny to be a psycho killer and, oh yeah, I love my sister" was as lame as I feared. If Henry were that twisted people would have noticed tell-tale signs long before he learned whom papa was.

Actually, sociopaths can be very charming but it masks things like a need for control, lack of empathy and an incapacity for love.

The whole "I met my dad and realized my destiny to be a psycho killer and, oh yeah, I love my sister" was as lame as I feared. If Henry were that twisted people would have noticed tell-tale signs long before he learned whom papa was.

Though, as you say, maybe not. Apparently the people who knew Ted Bundy thought he was a pretty nice, all around guy. How many times have we read in the paper about someone who has hacked his family and pet parakeet to pieces with a meat cleaver be described by neighbors as, "one swell guy".

It's the "normal" looking people you really have to watch out for!

Although this has been a dopey series all along, it was fun dopey and at times hilarious (though probably unintentionally). I loved some of Henry's lines last night (paraphrased).

"Well, yeah, I did help dad kill a bunch of people, but that's over now. I swear. No more. Nope, not a one. Well, Jimmy...yeah...about him...well, ok, maybe just one more an then I'm done. No, seriously. He's going to be the last one. It was fun while it lasted...but actually, I did it all for you. I hope you appreciate it. You'd better appreciate it or......oops, my bad....that sounded a little sinister didn't it. I didn't mean it. Really.

Want something to eat? I made chopped salad, club sandwiches, mashed potatoes, pressed duck, beets, fresh haggis, crushed pineapple upside down cake....."

I remember Author Ann Rule said once in a interview what a great guy Ted Bundy was. She commented she would have let her daughter date him. Some mask it well. Henry made the comment to Abby that he had tendency's but Didn't realize them until he met his father. I think he would have killed sooner or later if he had met JW or not.

Lame. I was so disapointed. Henry just couldn't pull off the bad guy bit most of the time. And really, he never ever explained WHY he had to kill all his friends.

Don't know why everyone is saying it's so unbelievable that Henry appeared to be a perfectly normal guy but was a compete sociopathic killer underneath. There's already a pretty well-regarded series reflecting that same concept. Henry = Dexter. ;)

Anyway, it was cheesy. It was silly. It was the TV version of a typical summer teen slasher flick stretched out to 13 hours. And it was fun! Personally, I hope we get one of these "midi-series" every summer!

Don't know how many of our participants in this thread saw ABC's 'Daybreak' a few years back. It was also a limited run 13 part "fill-in" series that was supposed to run over the winter during a LOST hiatus. Like this one, it suffered terrible ratings and was banished. Unlike this one, it was simply dropped by ABC with 5 or 6 episodes to go and one had to get the DVD's to see how it ended up. But like this one, it was worth it to those who stuck it out. (I did and it was a real mind-bender, more complex and requiring more attention be paid.) And kudos to CBS for 1) running a show against type (for them) and 2) letting it finish out on the big network in spite of the ratings woes.

All in all, I really enjoyed 'Harper's Island' for what it was: campy fun with lots of twists & turns. Hope we get more of this sort of thing in the future.

The final shoe I was waiting for never dropped: That Wakefield had used his sociopathic charms to convince Henry that Henry was his son, even though he wasn't.

The show was well worth the 13-hour trip for me.

As a whole, the series was ok, and I'm not sure I'd have figured out it was Henry without this forum (or at least him being my primary suspect). I wonder if I rewatched it if there are a lot more clues pointing to him (besides the "M" on those notes posted earlier in this thread)

My biggest complaint overall (despite all the ridiculousness of the entire thing) was how quickly and without reason that Henry turned into a killer. This was my take on the steps involved to turn Henry from a normal person to a serial killer:

Runs into Wakefield as a young teen. Immediate connection.
Wakefield shows up years later in an alley, tells Henry he is his son.
(literally 5 seconds later) Henry is killing a guy getting out of his car for no reason.


I was like "WTF?!? That's it? He tells Henry he is his son and Henry immediately turns around and bludgeons an innocent guy to death?"

Honestly, I didn't believe it was possible, but Henry turning to evil was even less believable than Anakin turning to the dark side in Revenge of the Sith. Maybe George Lucas wrote that scene.

And really, he never ever explained WHY he had to kill all his friends.

Perhaps you're right. Wasn't the idea that he was in love with Abby and, therefore, needed to get rid of everyone in the wedding party so he could live secretly with her on the island. Also, since Shea and Madison got away he had to frame Jimmy.

Henry was my main suspect in the early episodes, partly because he was one of the few doing publicity on the show and just about a lot of clues pointed to him. But as each episodes progressed it seemed less and likely. The reveal of wakefield being alive was what changed the show for me. I was really hoping for a decent ending with maybe a "gotcha" moment at the end, but that never happened. Overall I enjoyed a lot of the show, but the last 5ep just didn't gell with me. There were many moments where the characters introduced good questions, but answered it in the same episode instead of the cliffhanger. They also made it a bit too ridiculous for me to enjoy and "jumped the shark" as the kids say.

Disappointed. My wife hated it as Henry was letting his fiance down "easy", as no hollywood ending. I didn't care for it in that I just couldn't see "stranger showing up, explaining that he was really his father, and let's go kill together as father-son" working.

But the 13-show mini-series idea works for me. I actually really liked the Murder One setup a few years back...

My wife and I had been on vacation, and only really just caught up with the ending. It was QUITE convoluted, yes, and perhaps the last twist was even harder to believe, but we really enjoyed it, and it's a shame that the ratings will mean that CBS won't do another season.

In my mind it still isn't clear whether it was the concept, the acting, or the writing that was the main reason for its failure to grab a bigger audience.

I've read enough comments to convince me that the concept itself as a good one. I know I liked it.

I was able to emotionally connect with a number of the characters, though certainly not all of them.

The plot, as has been pointed out a number of times, was basically a loosely followed "And Then There Were None/Ten Little Indians".

Yet, despite all the plot holes, confusing motivations, downright dumb marksmanship and decision making on the part of the wedding guests....this was a very enjoyable series for me.

As others have said....I hope this experience doesn't kill this as a concept.

I was soo disappointed. The ending was really lame. They could've done a better job.

I was soo disappointed. The ending was really lame. They could've done a better job.

How so?

How so?
All the ladies could have survived?.....;)

Seriously, the whole idea of someone being SO crazy that they would kill everyone "in (their) way" to be with the one they love ... is not exactly new, but it was certainly a surprising end to us. The post-denouement video/interviews weren't exactly original either (Egoyan's EXOTICA comes to mind, at least), but it certainly put a very creepy cherry on top.

How so?

I just thought that the ending seemed kinda of slapped together and it didn't seem realistic on how they portrayed Henry as the assistant killer. Come on', all of the sudden Henry is the crazy person? How was he able to hold the craziness in for so long. Maybe I was expecting too much. lol...

I didn't necessarily believe it either, but I thought the clues that some were able to see were cleverly placed throughout the earlier episodes. I think they had this in mind all along but I could be wrong. Nothing like Lost, as an example, where the writers certainly at times appear to be...

I know how important the "giant twist ending" had to be for this show, so I'll cut them some slack. It was a 13 hour TV version of the typical summertime teen slasher flick, and that's all it pretended to be. But, it would have been nice if there had been some clue, some indication that Henry was secretly psychotic, and expert at concealing it. As it was, like cybersteve says, Henry's reveal just came completely out of the blue with virtually no warning and making little sense. That kept the twist sufficiently and shockingly twisty, yes, but it was also ultimately unsatisfying.

That said, I really like the idea of limited run "midi-series" - telling a good story and then getting off the stage - and wouldn't mind seeing more of this kind of thing.

^ ....pretty much like an Agatha Christie story. Lots of red herrings then pull a killer out of nowhere. I still like them though.

I'll say this for Harper's Island: I never got the impression it was pretentious. As you say, a summer slasher flick---nothing more---nothing less.

Christopher Goren has a new job:


"LOS ANGELES, CA July 30, 2009 - USA Network has given a green light to the pilot COVERT AFFAIRS. A Universal Cable Productions original, COVERT AFFAIRS is executive produced by Dave Bartis and Doug Liman through Dutch Oven and written and co-executive produced by Matt Corman and Chris Ord. The announcement was made today by Jackie de Crinis, USA's senior program executive.

"We are thrilled to be collaborating with Dutch Oven on COVERT AFFAIRS, a show with an exciting backdrop of action-packed suspense and an entertaining, character-driven premise that fits so perfectly into the USA brand," said de Crinis.

Covert Affairs centers on a young CIA trainee, Annie Walker (Piper Perabo), mysteriously summoned to headquarters for duty as field operative. While Annie believes she's been promoted for her exceptional linguistic skills, there may be something or someone from her past that her CIA bosses are really after. Christopher Gorham plays Auggie Anderson, a CIA military intelligence agent who was blinded while on assignment and is Annie's guide in this world of bureaucracy, excitement and intrigue.

From Universal Cable Productions, COVERT AFFAIRS stars Piper Perabo ("Coyote Ugly," "Cheaper by the Dozen," "Beverly Hills Chihuahua"). Written and co-executive produced by Matt Corman ("Deck the Halls") and Chris Ord ("Deck the Halls"). Dave Bartis ("Knight Rider") and Doug Liman ("Knight Rider," the "Bourne" trilogy, "Heist") are Executive Producers through their company, Dutch Oven. .."