Not sure what to do, Should I wait on Panasonic TC-P58V10, or should I pull the trigger on Pioneer Elite Pro 151. I know that the Panasonic will be a little cheaper. The Pioneer will use up all my saved funds. How close will the Panasonic compare picture wise to the Pioneer, I am no videophile.

Not sure what to do, Should I wait on Panasonic TC-P58V10, or should I pull the trigger on Pioneer Elite Pro 151. I know that the Panasonic will be a little cheaper. The Pioneer will use up all my saved funds. How close will the Panasonic compare picture wise to the Pioneer, I am no videophile.

Wait for Panasonic.

Go try to look at a G10 at best buy. The V10 will produce the same exact picture.

I will do that when I get a chance but it could be a couple of weeks. What are peoples opinion that have seen both?

Well you are going to wait for a tv that we dont know if its any good? we know the pioneer elite is the best out there, its also available now, and if you are going to "wait for a tv" then you are going to do that cycle until you never end up with a tv.

Get the pioneer elite its the best out there its proven and most likely their wont be another tv that is as close as the pioneers for quite a few years to come.

i'm actually thinking of getting 1 more for me and one for my dad im having thoughts that no other tv is going to as good as an elite for some years to come.

Can i have whatever you're smoking?

Wait for Panasonic.

I've seen the G10 side by side with the Kuro 5020 and the Kuro still had the better blacks. Even in some heavy store lighting, the black letterbox bars looked inky black. The G10 has better blacks than last year's, but it's still just a very dark shade of gray (although that should change in a dark room).

IMO, go with the Kuro if you can afford it. The NeoPDPs really don't do anything as well as even the 8G Kuro. I think the only wild card this year is Samsung. Their mid to upper range plasmas look really special based on the specs and the little feedback I've seen so far. I think if they can approach 8G Kuro quality, they might be the sets to beat this year, especially when you see how amazing their prices are compared to Panasonic.

wow they are barely at 8g pioneer quality? then they are further behind then i'd imagen as we are currently on the 9g pioneer technology.

If you have to use all of your savings to buy a TV, I think a 42" 720p might be a better choice for you. You could get one for about $700.

If you have to use all of your savings to buy a TV, I think a 42" 720p might be a better choice for you. You could get one for about $700.
not all but 60-75%, I mean thats not the problem though. I just want to get the best tv I can get for the price. I am not a videophile or even close to one, I just want something alot better than my 42" Vizio lcd.

I seem to always want the best of everything

Not sure what to do, Should I wait on Panasonic TC-P58V10, or should I pull the trigger on Pioneer Elite Pro 151. I know that the Panasonic will be a little cheaper. The Pioneer will use up all my saved funds. How close will the Panasonic compare picture wise to the Pioneer, I am no videophile.


This is too easy....buy the Elite..

Wait for Panasonic.

Yes , wait for the Panasonic and when that comes out wait for the next one, when that one comes out wait again, I say wait for 4 or 5 then consider buying.....though you might wait a bit longer.


WAIT!!!!!!!

wow they are barely at 8g pioneer quality? then they are further behind then i'd imagen as we are currently on the 9g pioneer technology.

You say that as if the 8G was a subpar plasma. I think they are only slightly behind 9G in terms of black level (black still looks inky though), but not nearly as bright.

Not sure what to do, Should I wait on Panasonic TC-P58V10, or should I pull the trigger on Pioneer Elite Pro 151. I know that the Panasonic will be a little cheaper. The Pioneer will use up all my saved funds. How close will the Panasonic compare picture wise to the Pioneer, I am no videophile.


Unless you have a Pioneer sitting next to it, you will never notice the difference.;)

Get the Panasonic.

I didn't like the G10 at all. It just had way too much noise compared to the other sets. I'd get the 151 now for sure.

I'm 21. I'm in med school with 150k in loans. I live in a studio apartment. I buy my shoes from payless.

I bought an Elite. What's your excuse again?

Let me tell you that the saved up money I am talking about is money I have set aside for a tv, I am 25 with a 18 month old daughter and a fiancee. We get buy fine, have everything we need, I make about $3000 a month. Not awesome, but not terrible.

I'm just pulling your leg, I'm actually kind of depressed right now that I spent all that money for a TV. If I drank, I'd be quite hammered right now.

I'm 19 work as a courtesy clerk 8.70hr 20 or so hrs pay rent food cell and got an elite.

bottom line is he should get the elite if he can afford it, besides he said it hiimself he likes the best.


op go for an elite you wont regreat it, but if you dont go for an elite and later waited for the panasonic, only to not look as good but only to find out you cannot get an elite then what? sol comprimise for less? no thanks i would not take that chance.

theirs always newer as far as being better? that is questionable now in days, kind of like crt tube its best until pioneer changed that and its the ONLY company to do so in the 5K mark

I'm 21. I'm in med school with 150k in loans. I live in a studio apartment. I buy my shoes from payless.

I bought an Elite. What's your excuse again?

I didn't like the G10 at all. It just had way too much noise compared to the other sets. I'd get the 151 now for sure.

I second that as well.
Parker. Get Elite. You definitely can afford it. Pana has noise. G10 is a disappointment. V10 has same glass panel as G10. Tv is as good as it's glass, and plasma display. Electronics is second, but important as well.

I wanted to love V10 but based on G10 glass panel it will be same as 850u
and you can definitely see noise on 850u. Elite video processing is superb which is electronics. Pana vp medium = noise. Elite superb glass and panel. Pana medium. Sorry you get what you pay for. This was my dilemma as well however I've researched, obsessed and came to conclusion elite is top dawg and won't be beat. Dimness sort of bothers me a bit but only thing that can compete with elite is Xbr8. It's sharp as elite, brighter but color is not as accurate, expensive as hell and LCD which it's movement is fake.
I'm getting my 111fd tomorrow i think. Wish me luck guys cause i almost bought today and backed out. Hope i won't regret it with LED coming out.

you done your reasearch just right! and good luck on getting the 111 couple years down the road the 111 will be replaced by something better hopefully its oled not led as lcd still has issues even with add ons that fix some but cause other issues.

I second that as well.
Parker. Get Elite. You definitely can afford it. Pana has noise. G10 is a disappointment. V10 has same glass panel as G10. Tv is as good as it's glass, and plasma display. Electronics is second, but important as well.

I wanted to love V10 but based on G10 glass panel it will be same as 850u
and you can definitely see noise on 850u. Elite video processing is superb which is electronics. Pana vp medium = noise. Elite superb glass and panel. Pana medium. Sorry you get what you pay for. This was my dilemma as well however I've researched, obsessed and came to conclusion elite is top dawg and won't be beat. Dimness sort of bothers me a bit but only thing that can compete with elite is Xbr8. It's sharp as elite, brighter but color is not as accurate, expensive as hell and LCD which it's movement is fake.
I'm getting my 111fd tomorrow i think. Wish me luck guys cause i almost bought today and backed out. Hope i won't regret it with LED coming out.

Let me tell you that the saved up money I am talking about is money I have set aside for a tv, I am 25 with a 18 month old daughter and a fiancee. We get buy fine, have everything we need, I make about $3000 a month. Not awesome, but not terrible.

My 2 cents, you are young and starting a family, I would get the Panasonic and save the difference, kids and families are expensive. From what I have read you would probably be very happy with the Panasonic. Not to mention this is economy is so bad

I do know what you mean as I am also thinking about a 60" Elite, non-Elite and the Panasonic V10. I really want the Elite but in the end of the day I am sure I will be happy with whatever I get (you always wish you had something better).


Good luck with your decision, enjoy your new TV and your kid :)

You make sense but the only problem is they are not making any more pioneer or elites so once they are gone they are gone. may is the last production cycle and they are selling faster then hot cakes.

any tv will be nice but these wont be out on the market for much.

What about gaming on the 9G Kuro. Any reports on input lag? I heard Panasonic has a special gaming mode to get response time back to 2ms which is quite good.

I'm 21. I'm in med school with 150k in loans. I live in a studio apartment. I buy my shoes from payless.

I bought an Elite. What's your excuse again?


I am 7, I just finished 1st grade and bought an Elite Kuro because nothing beats
Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood in high def. !

Now if PSB would put out with some Sesame Street and Mr. Rogers Neighborhood on Blu-Ray disc id be all set!! :D
I will bet that we will at least see some Mr. Rogers on BD. :)

why not look into the 600m. i know the panny doesent have isf modes. so the tweakability is all there between the two with the better performance in the 600m. id bet my left you know what they are priced about the same too.

I'm 21. I'm in med school with 150k in loans. I live in a studio apartment. I buy my shoes from payless.

I bought an Elite. What's your excuse again?
You can stop lying any time now.

And OP, nobody knows which TV is better. Many people on this forum are are the type that will look at nothing objectively and even 10 years from now swear up and down that nothing beats a Pioneer Kuro.
Wait until the V10 comes out and see for yourself, or take a look at the G10 and expect similar image quality with a few more features and a thinner panel.
And lol @ those who will say that the current Panasonics don't even match a Pio 5070 or 5080.

H_prestige the 8g pioneer and 9g pioneer are different by somewhat drastic measurement not "barely" but substantionly.

You say that as if the 8G was a subpar plasma. I think they are only slightly behind 9G in terms of black level (black still looks inky though), but not nearly as bright.


Actually the kuro have game mode with game prefs on which is like 0 ms! very smooth crt like speed.


What about gaming on the 9G Kuro. Any reports on input lag? I heard Panasonic has a special gaming mode to get response time back to 2ms which is quite good.


Dont wait and wait and wait for the next tv read here

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1137384

Not sure what to do, Should I wait on Panasonic TC-P58V10, or should I pull the trigger on Pioneer Elite Pro 151. I know that the Panasonic will be a little cheaper. The Pioneer will use up all my saved funds. How close will the Panasonic compare picture wise to the Pioneer, I am no videophile.

How much price difference we talking about? "A little cheaper"? Go for the Pioneer.

Of course ideally you would wait until you can see the Panasonic, but the fact that the Pioneer is no longer being made makes it uncertain you will have that option by then.

Personally, I went for the Pioneer and have never looked back.:)

I would add a third option to the equation, the Pioneer Kuro PDP-6020FD. Although pricing on the Panasonic 58" isn't out yet, it should be fairly close to the heavily discounted 6020s. Do some research on ithe 6020 compared to the 151 and see if you feel the significant increase in price is worth it. Also keep in mind that CNet's review on the smaller 5020 does not include any service menu adjustments, and so you would have the option of D-Nice's free non-service menu reference settings, or his service menu reference settings.

Here is a discussion thread on the 6020 vs 151:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1048098

And D-Nice's settings:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1034208

I just went thru the same options and went with the 151 last week. Give Roman a shout and see if he can make the price less of a difference for you.

Michael

I went ahead and put a deposit down on a 151 two weeks ago, I should be picking it up next tuesday.

I just went thru the same options and went with the 151 last week. Give Roman a shout and see if he can make the price less of a difference for you.

Michael

Times are getting hard for Pio in terms of supply :( so good timing

Of course ideally you would wait until you can see the Panasonic, but the fact that the Pioneer is no longer being made makes it uncertain you will have that option by then.
Is it absolutely certain that Pioneer has already stopped the production of the Kuro worldwide? I only remember reading that Pioneer has stopped production in Japan. The rest of the world will follow at the end of 2009. I also read that Pioneer is producing new Kuro's until May this year.

Are the 54' and 58" V10 series coming out soon? I am also in this 151 or V!) series delima...

I own an 8G Kuro PRO110FD and a 9G Kuro PRO151FD, nothing out there comes close to either one , by a wide margin, from picture quality to video processing.

once david from cnet reviews a panny 50v10 will probably further discount the kuro because the panny's will be in $1,800-$2,800 range. That's if the panny gets a good reviews. Time will tell.

It's funny that I still see this debate popping up now and then. The Kuro has the "better blacks" because it crushes the details at the low end. You get inky blacks, but you suffer the detail. Me? I'd rather have the detail.
The other thing is, Panasonic makes the Kuro plasmas as JVC makes the Kuro projectors. I was a dealer for Kuro's and Panasonic and now that the Kuro's are no longer and the Panasonics are still here, I can tell you, the V series tromps the Kuro in shadow detail and color space. The black levels are the same as the Kuro without suffering the detail loss and the G10 / G15 are a close second.

I just can't get it right, somehow. I bought an Elite Pro FHD-1 three years ago when the opinion of many around here was that its blacks were supremely deficient to the Pannys, and I loved (and still love) the Elite. Now I go out and buy a 65V10 when the blacks and picture are deficient compared to the Kuro 141 and 151. And I love the Panny as well.

I keep buying the right brand at the wrong time, and I should be hating myself and my TV sets for it. But somehow I don't, despite considered opinions that the sets I enjoy are really not up to snuff. I think I need to see somebody professionally. I'm really screwed up.

For god sakes Parker, don't make the same mistake that I did by buying what I liked and enjoying it!

It's funny that I still see this debate popping up now and then. The Kuro has the "better blacks" because it crushes the details at the low end. You get inky blacks, but you suffer the detail. Me? I'd rather have the detail.
The other thing is, Panasonic makes the Kuro plasmas as JVC makes the Kuro projectors. I was a dealer for Kuro's and Panasonic and now that the Kuro's are no longer and the Panasonics are still here, I can tell you, the V series tromps the Kuro in shadow detail and color space. The black levels are the same as the Kuro without suffering the detail loss and the G10 / G15 are a close second.

spoken like a true non owner.

Im at 2,756 hours with my 141...never once have seen a loss of detail in my blacks.

Beats every display out there by a long shot. This is coming from someone who can and would replace it in a heart beat if something better came along. 2011... and thats a big maybe.

The Panasonics may appear to have more shadow detail because their gamma is skewed at the low end. You can duplicate exactly the same thing if you wish on an ISFccc equipped Kuro, but you will no longer be viewing an accurate picture and your black levels and dimensionality will suffer.

Panasonic makes the Kuro plasmas

Uhh, no. That's very wrong.

tromps the Kuro in shadow detail and color space

What?

The black levels are the same as the Kuro

Again, that's simply wrong. I've seen both in a darkened room many times. The G10/V10 still have a ways to go.

Those of you who bought the elite, how many yrs do you plan to own them? 5yr? 10yr?

Those of you who bought the elite, how many yrs do you plan to own them? 5yr? 10yr?

I would say 5 yrs.... longer if the focus on new displays is 3D rather than PQ