As we debate plasmas and LCDs, it would be helpful to know the life styles we lead. It seems to me that those who are single would tend to buy plasmas as their primary set. Being single allows them to better control their viewing environment. As a married person I couldn't get away with seriously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely.

The poll is anonymous.

As a married person I couldn't get away with seriuously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely. Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would.

The poll is anonymous.

Why would you need to seriously dim the lights or turn them off completely if you didn't want to? Some people prefer it that way but it's definitely not necessary. Have you not already read many posts by several plasma owners that state that's not necessary? Seeing as how you have never owned a plasma and have stated you never will no matter what so you have no on hands proof to justify your flawed position.

A plea to the future participants: do not turn this thread into another plasma vs. LCD war zone. However, to keep it from disappearing your posts will be appreciated.

As we debate plasmas and LCDs, it would be helpful to know the life styles we lead. It seems to me that those who are single would tend to buy plasmas as their primary set. Being single allows them to better control their viewing environment. As a married person I couldn't get away with seriuously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely. Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would.

The poll is anonymous.

On the other hand, a single person would have no problem sitting directly in front of an LCD, and thereby avoid the problem with off axis degrading of the picture.

Therefore, a family might opt for a Plasma display, since it would be for the entire family to watch together.

Off course, a young single person, with a very limited budget, might also opt for a Plasma because of getting more bang for the buck.

As we debate plasmas and LCDs, it would be helpful to know the life styles we lead. It seems to me that those who are single would tend to buy plasmas as their primary set. Being single allows them to better control their viewing environment. As a married person I couldn't get away with seriuously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely. Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would.

The poll is anonymous.

A plea to the future participants: do not turn this thread into another war zone. However, to keep it from disappearing your posts will be appreciated.

I just love the paradox of your opening remarks, contrasted with your later plea.:D

This poll also assumes that all LCDs will look will look better than all plasmas with the lights on, which is certainly not true.

It's far too broad a comparison.

I just love the paradox of your opening remarks, contrasted with your later plea.:D

LOL, I got a kick out of that also. He wants to put forth his flawed opinions without anyone else doing it or rebutting them. :D

For the record, but not a member in this forum to vote, my son is single and owns an LCD.

All LCDs here, Sonys, Samsungs and Toshiba, but did just picked up a Sammy Luxia 40B6000 "LED" and am seriously considering a 58" Sammy plasma to replace my aging Sony 52XBR2 lcd. The plasma will be for occasional viewing, mainly football and movies.

My primary is still LCD, as it sits right in front of a window, and the set has a matte finish. A plasma would not play well in that room. The LED went in the bedroom, as it was 1" thick, traffic area, did not have room for a 42" plasma, as it would protrude to far out from the wall and might get knocked to the floor.

Personally, I love the pq I have seen on Plasmas. And now that they are coming down in price, it is time to jump in. The 58" Samsung plasma I have my eye set on will go in my basement, where it will play well.

In all reality, my choice of televisions really had nothing to do with my budget or if I was married or single. More of a learning curve to see the advantage of plasma over lcd in certain settings in my house and my intended viewing purposes. And not much of a brand fanboy anymore either, just want something that works and looks good to my eye.

Mike

I'm divorced and own a CRT.

I'm divorced and own a CRT.

LMAO!!!

Good one!:D

On the other hand, being married might tip the scales in the direction of a plasma because they are less directional, i.e., the picture (brightness, contrast and color accuracy) does not deteriorate as much away from the center as it does with LCD's. This would be even more true with children, who would likely be all over the room! Besides, plasmas are not that dim!

LOL, I got a kick out of that also. He wants to put forth his flawed opinions without anyone else doing it or rebutting them. :D

For the record, but not a member in this forum to vote, my son is single and owns an LCD.

Yep! It must be nice to be able to fire off an opening ambush, and immediately demand a ceasefire.

He appears to be living back in 1950.

"Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would."

Sounds like he does not want any single women to answer the poll.

Since when did watching a movie, in the dark with one's partner, not become the preferred romantic option?

I think I have come up with a killer marketing slogan:

PLasma Is For Lovers.

I'm divorced and own a CRT.

Best one yet and would have only been better if you said the ex has the new big flat screen. :p

married with Lcos

Yep!

1. It must be nice to be able to fire off an opening ambush, and immediately demand a ceasefire.

2. He appears to be living back in 1950.

3. "Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would."

4. Sounds like he does not want any single women to answer the poll.

5. I think I have come up with a killer marketing slogan: Plasma Is For Lovers.

1. I didn't mean it. I made a correction in Post 3.

2. There were many good things in 1950 as opposed to 2009.

3. Girlfriends who hope to get married will put up with crap. Wives will not because they know their legal rights.

4. Both genders are welcome. I used the gender-specific terms as we refer to mankind.

5. Great idea.

Off axis viewing makes Plasma the only choice for: wait for it, wait......


Polygamists.

Another great marketing slogan:

A Plasma Compound, Is A Happy Compound.

Turn on the TV and will see that most commercial make men seem like gulf balls, spineless saps.... The pussification of the American man..



3. Girlfriends who hope to get married will put up with crap. Wives will not because they know their legal rights.


I've been schooled:rolleyes:


Djoel

At this point, the poll shows plasmas leading LCDs by almost 2 to 1. On the other hand, LCDs allegedly outsell plasmas by the same or higher ratio. Weird. One possible conclusion: LCD owners do not visit this sub-forum because they are still busy trying to figure out how to set them up. Another: LCD owners are happy actually watching TV rather than come here.

.... The pussification of the American man..

Djoel

You shouldn't have done this! This is a gem I will never forget. Brilliant!

I would bet my last pair of socks that a high school volleyball girl team with M16s would take care of those 4 a-holes holding an American hostage off the coast of Somalia in less than ten minutes but for the "pussified" clowns in Washington. I apologize for this detour but I couldn't resist it.

LCD owners are happy actually watching TV rather than come here.

or maybe it's because plasma owners are more passionate about the hobby thus spend time here in the forum discussing AV while a typcial LCD owner just bought what he was told by the salesman is right and knows very little or has any interest in AV. Hard to come to any conclusion from this kind of poll. :)

Maybe you can do a poll as to how many people live in a cave like environment and what kind of TV they own. :D

or maybe it's because plasma owners are more passionate about the hobby ...

It actually makes sense. I do admit that in the past I did refer to my LCDs as appliances. No plasma owner ever did this.

or maybe it's because plasma owners are more passionate about the hobby thus spend time here in the forum discussing av while a typcial lcd owner just bought what he was told by the salesman is right and knows very little or has any interest in av. Hard to come to any conclusion from this kind of poll. :)

A+


Divorced/plasma

As we debate plasmas and LCDs, it would be helpful to know the life styles we lead. It seems to me that those who are single would tend to buy plasmas as their primary set. Being single allows them to better control their viewing environment. As a married person I couldn't get away with seriuously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely. Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would.

The poll is anonymous.

You shouldn't have done this! This is a gem I will never forget. Brilliant!

I would bet my last pair of socks that a high school volleyball girl team with M16s would take care of those 4 a-holes holding an American hostage off the coast of Somalia in less than ten minutes but for the "pussified" clowns in Washington. I apologize for this detour but I couldn't resist it.

Wow!

You really are a Neanderthal, when it comes to your views on Women. You also appear to be talking in circles; first you have girlfriends being submissive, and now you have high school girls being tougher than the US Navy. As for your use of the P word to demean Men; that must mean that you do not think very highly of the women in your family.

At this point, the poll shows plasmas leading LCDs by almost 2 to 1. On the other hand, LCDs allegedly outsell plasmas by the same or higher ratio. Weird. One possible conclusion: LCD owners do not visit this sub-forum because they are still busy trying to figure out how to set them up. Another: LCD owners are happy actually watching TV rather than come here.

I would suspect that a videophile is more likely to prefer a front projector or a plasma, and a videophile is also more likely to come to this forum than your casual tv watcher. I bet if we had the ability to know what percentage of people here have a projection screen, it would be far far higher than the national average.

or maybe it's because plasma owners are more passionate about the hobby thus spend time here in the forum discussing AV while a typcial LCD owner just bought what he was told by the salesman is right and knows very little or has any interest in AV. Hard to come to any conclusion from this kind of poll. :)

Maybe you can do a poll as to how many people live in a cave like environment and what kind of TV they own. :D

Funny, but I guess this the first part is probably true to some extent but I don't believe the second is. LCD people for the most part are not as passionate about their screens as plasma fans are but I often wonder why plasma fans are so passionate. To be honest I don't like to watch my plasma in bright light, while I do with the LCD. I think the level of fanboiism for plasma is a bit too much here although it's A LOT better than the ridiculous fanboiism to HD DVD vs Blu-ray before HD DVD died, it got to the point where I thought half the people here were paid employees of either Microsoft or Toshiba :rolleyes: At least with plasma vs LCD there is a difference in picture quality, BOTH with their own advantages and disadvantages. Hell, their are people on this site who own >$5000 screens and STILL don't own Blu-ray :eek:

Now that I'm off that soap box, I voted for plasma with single since I guess my gf don't count for purposes of this poll (to be honest, she's too busy with school and modeling to care anyways and she can't see much of a difference besides screen size). It's difficult to vote on this, however, since I live with a roommate and our "primary" screen is a 42" LG LCD because it's in the living room (the LCD came with the apartment), but I actually own a 60" pioneer elite in my bedroom (for Blu-ray primarily). Since I really only "own" one, I guess it's plasma, although I like both ;)

Actually, I wonder if age and profession might be the more interesting factoids here since it would dictate when someone would actually watch TV, I guess I'll start here: 32 and resident physician...

Wow!

You really are a Neanderthal, when it comes to your views on Women. You also appear to be talking in circles; first you have girlfriends being submissive, and now you have high school girls being tougher than the US Navy. As for your use of the P word to demean Men; that must mean that you do not think very highly of the women in your family.

Read again. I never said anything about the Navy. I referred to the gutless wonders in Washington.

Your comment about me claiming that girlfriends are submissive is a total bs, too. I never said that. I said that they may put up with more than a a wife would. Your brilliant mind may have hard time grasping the difference, but you can dump your girlfriend, if you have one, and she knows it. Before you try this trick on your wife, better get yourself a good lawyer. Simple enough for you?

LCD all the way.

there should be an extra set of options for FP's:o

there should be an extra set of options for FP's:o

I am not sure what options you would like. I started this thread to find out if the presence of a spouse may be a factor in choosing an LCD over plasma considering that the two types have their disadvantages - narrow viewing angles for the LCDs and low or no light preferred for the plasmas.

To my surprise, plasmas win in the married category by a big margin.

2 plasmas, 1 wife... ;)

can i trade the wife on a 3rd plasma? :p

2 plasmas, 1 wife... ;)

can i trade the wife on a 3rd plasma? :p

Before you do, I would be curious to know if she liked plasma more than LCD or just didn't care what you bought?

Married

50'' Kuro now and a 60'' on the way.

She didn't really care which one(s) I bought as long as I was happy.

As we debate plasmas and LCDs, it would be helpful to know the life styles we lead. It seems to me that those who are single would tend to buy plasmas as their primary set. Being single allows them to better control their viewing environment. As a married person I couldn't get away with seriuously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely. Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would.

The poll is anonymous.

Even though I'm single, it doesn't matter, I rule. I buy what I want when I want and no woman is going to tell me what I can or cannot not do with my money.

So all you "henpeck" guys need to man-up, tell that woman who's boss.

Married

50'' Kuro now and a 60'' on the way.

She didn't really care which one(s) I bought as long as I was happy.

You didn't tell her how much it cost did you? Also, did you tell her how much energy a 60 inch plasma set uses?

Before you do, I would be curious to know if she liked plasma more than LCD or just didn't care what you bought?

yes, she cares... :) she's a movie nut, plus watches sports...

yes, she wanted a plasma when we got the first kuro, and she's the one who decided that we "needed" another one for the downstairs room... and whenever we go in a store with consumer electronics in it, she has to go look at the stuff... she was/is educated enough about the subject to know what she wanted and why...

i think when she travels on business she misses her tv sets more than she misses me... :o

some of you guys don't give your wives enough credit... just cause they don't bounce off the walls with excitement like "we" do doesn't mean they don't care... ;)

as far as age and profession... lessee... both north of 45 but south of 55... i'm self employed and and she's one of those "management types"...

Read again. I never said anything about the Navy. I referred to the gutless wonders in Washington.

Your comment about me claiming that girlfriends are submissive is a total bs, too. I never said that. I said that they may put up with more than a a wife would. Your brilliant mind may have hard time grasping the difference, but you can dump your girlfriend, if you have one, and she knows it. Before you try this trick on your wife, better get yourself a good lawyer. Simple enough for you?

So, in your imaginary world, single women are so afraid of being dumped by men, they suppress their real opinions, and just pretend to be submissive.

Single for a few more months...and trying to decide between plasma or lcd..:confused:

So, in your imaginary world, single women are so afraid of being dumped by men, they suppress their real opinions, and just pretend to be submissive.

Since you are still at it, let me explain the difference between being single and married for the second, and hopefully, the last time.

Marriage is a 50-50 partnership bound by a legal contract. In addition, both parties have moral and emotional obligations to each other. The legal obligations are enforceable through our legal system. If a man's wife has a child, the law assumes, by default, that it is his and demands that he support it. Failure to do so may land him in prison.

Living together as boyfriend-girlfriend lacks the same support from our legal system, excepting "common law marriage" that has to be proven in courts to be legally recognized. If "the girlfriend" has a child, she will have to sue for support. Is your sophisticated, non-Neanderthal mind catching all this?

As a result, married persons enjoy more freedom of expression of preferences in the life style they choose. A wife has legal access to the family resources even if the husband is the sole income earner. A girlfriend cannot claim or demand access to her boyfriend's income. In this regard, she has a weaker position that she would have as a wife. Still with me?

If a girlfriend wants a new TV set at your place, she can only suggest or ask. Your wife, at her discretion, will just order one and there is not a damn thing you can legally do about it. As a 50-50 partner, she a moral right to demand that her preferences be included in the decision what TV set to buy. A girlfriend lacks this basis.

The best analogy (Hi, maxdog!) is tenure. It was invented to guarantee certain additional protections for those who have it so that they can be freerer in their research and teaching and, therefore, less "submissive" to the university administrators.

If you knew all that, your post is deceitful by pretending that you didn't. If you didn't, you owe me for this lecture. Go to the nearest Battered Women center and make a donation.

yes, she cares... :) she's a movie nut, plus watches sports...

yes, she wanted a plasma when we got the first kuro, and she's the one who decided that we "needed" another one for the downstairs room... and whenever we go in a store with consumer electronics in it, she has to go look at the stuff... she was/is educated enough about the subject to know what she wanted and why...

i think when she travels on business she misses her tv sets more than she misses me... :o

some of you guys don't give your wives enough credit... just cause they don't bounce off the walls with excitement like "we" do doesn't mean they don't care... ;)

as far as age and profession... lessee... both north of 45 but south of 55... i'm self employed and and she's one of those "management types"...

So I'm guessing your wife might be more type A than you, maybe that explains her passion LOL Yeah, I'm just happy to have a tolerant one ;)

Since you are still at it, let me explain the difference between being single and married for the second, and hopefully, the last time.

Marriage is a 50-50 partnership bound by a legal contract. In addition, both parties have moral and emotional obligations to each other. The legal obligations are enforceable through our legal system. If a man's wife has a child, the law assumes, by default, that it is his and demands that he support it. Failure to do so may land him in prison.

Living together as boyfriend-girlfriend lacks the same support from our legal system, excepting "common law marriage" that has to be proven in courts to be legally recognized. If "the girlfriend" has a child, she will have to sue for support. Is your sophisticated, non-Neanderthal mind catching all this?

As a result, married persons enjoy more freedom of expression of preferences in the life style they choose. A wife has legal access to the family resources even if the husband is the sole income earner. A girlfriend cannot claim or demand access to her boyfriend's income. In this regard, she has a weaker position that she would have as a wife. Still with me?

If a girlfriend wants a new TV set at your place, she can only suggest or ask. Your wife, at her discretion, will just order one and there is not a damn thing you can legally do about it. As a 50-50 partner, she a moral right to demand that her preferences be included in the decision what TV set to buy. A girlfriend lacks this basis.

The best analogy (Hi, maxdog!) is tenure. It was invented to guarantee certain additional protections for those who have it so that they can be freerer in their research and teaching and, therefore, less "submissive" to the university administrators.

If you knew all that, your post is deceitful by pretending that you didn't. If you didn't, you owe me for this lecture. Go to the nearest Battered Women center and make a donation.

That really is a mighty load of, unrelated, idle blather you have just engaged in, to try and evade the simple point that you asked for single men to answer the question, and singled out "girlfriends" opinions as to not be counted.

I don't care how big that strawman is that you just erected, you still are promoting the notion that a single woman's opinion should be discounted by her "boyfriend" because she is too fearful to speak her mind.

You didn't tell her how much it cost did you? Also, did you tell her how much energy a 60 inch plasma set uses?

LMAO. Yeah that $30.00 a year or so more might cut into her hair spray budget. Get real Audi there are much more energy hogs in majority of all households. :rolleyes:

Single for a few more months...and trying to decide between plasma or lcd..:confused:

Buy the biggest you can afford.

That really is a mighty load of, unrelated, idle blather you have just engaged in, to try and evade the simple point that you asked for single men to answer the question, and singled out "girlfriends" opinions as to not be counted.

I don't care how big that strawman is that you just erected, you still are promoting the notion that a single woman's opinion should be discounted by her "boyfriend" because she is too fearful to speak her mind.

Aww be easy on him as it appears his poll isn't going in the direction he wanted it to as he clearly had an agenda behind his reason for such a poll. I would also venture a guess that his wife wears the pants in the family by some of his reponses.:p

The best analogy (Hi, maxdog!) is tenure. It was invented to guarantee certain additional protections for those who have it so that they can be freerer in their research and teaching and, therefore, less "submissive" to the university administrators.



Hi ramazur!:D

Your poll changed your opinion about who buys plasma and who buys LCD's? Boy for a guy who claimed to hate analogies you sure seem to be using them often. ;)

I know too many single lcd, (and one arm bigger than the other) types from work.

You didn't tell her how much it cost did you? Also, did you tell her how much energy a 60 inch plasma set uses?

Less than the coin saved on batteries.

Aww be easy on him as it appears his poll isn't going in the direction he wanted it to as he clearly had an agenda behind his reason for such a poll. I would also venture a guess that his wife wears the pants in the family by some of his reponses.:p

I was just having a bit of fun by giving him a dose of his own medicine. He loves to lecture others; and often complains about people who frequent this site not having real lives, and yet he is on here all the time, and he is the one who went to the trouble of setting up a useless poll thread. It is not scientific, or statistically large enough to reveal anything. Yes, he was hoping for to get a big majority for LCD, and even tried to push people in that direction with his opening comments.

When that failed, he then posited that LCD owners just are not into wasting their time on here, because they have much more important things to do with their time.

Since he is an LCD owner, and says that is all he would own, but is on here all the time, what does that reveal about him.

I love his polling rule:

If your girlfriend says she likes your TV, she is faking it, but if she says she is not crazy about it, then she is asking to be dumped. Either way; do not take her opinion into account on a poll.:D

.....it appears his poll isn't going in the direction he wanted it to as he clearly had an agenda behind his reason for such a poll.

Wrong. This poll is going exactly how I anticipated.

As of this moment, plasmas lead LCDs by a ratio of 5 to 2. This ratio is not supported by what we know about sales where LCDs win hands-down by as much as 3 to 1. If the results here were even close to the sales data, the ratio would be lopsided in the other direction.

What this poll shows is that this sub-forum - being the war zone for the plasma vs. LCD debates - is overrun by the plasma guys by a factor of almost 8 to 1 if adjusted for the sales figures. Talk about overrepresentation!

Some of you guys underestimate me.

What is the ratio of LCD to Plasma sales in the 46 inch and up sizes that would be valid sizes for your polling questions? Of course all those smaller LCD panels, which are used only for a single viewer, or for computer monitors, are going to distort the sales numbers.

Does anyone have any sales figures on the number of LCD compared to Plasma sales numbers for 2008, in the Home Theater sizes, which is what this poll purports to be researching.

I would imagine that any panel less than 46 inches should be considered too small to be consider in such a poll.

Some of you guys underestimate me.

We don't underestimate you at all. We're pretty much well aware of your BS.:D

It's always been my opinion that the more educated on Consumer Electronics are the ones that frequent this forum and your poll is supplying me proof. :eek:

Wrong. This poll is going exactly how I anticipated.

As of this moment, plasmas lead LCDs by a ratio of 5 to 2. This ratio is not supported by what we know about sales where LCDs win hands-down by as much as 3 to 1. If the results here were even close to the sales data, the ratio would be lopsided in the other direction.

What this poll shows is that this sub-forum - being the war zone for the plasma vs. LCD debates - is overrun by the plasma guys by a factor of almost 8 to 1 if adjusted for the sales figures. Talk about overrepresentation!

Some of you guys underestimate me.

or that people that care enough about picture quality to come and research tvs...buy plasmas, while the ones that go and pickup the first tv they find at futureshop buy lcd? Maybe it shows the forum has far less joe average, and more enthusiasts.

As we debate plasmas and LCDs, it would be helpful to know the life styles we lead. It seems to me that those who are single would tend to buy plasmas as their primary set. Being single allows them to better control their viewing environment. As a married person I couldn't get away with seriuously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely. Girlfriends are not included as they may put up with more than a wife would.

The poll is anonymous.


Not if they live with you and you have kids together. At that point, you might as well be married.

Got an LCD mainly because of environment, but also because I play a lot of JRPG's with menus and mini-maps. And by a lot I mean I tend to put 75+ hours on each one I play. Burn-in no bueno! Also because I play most JRPG's, the LCD lag problem isn't an issue for me.

...or that people that care enough about picture quality to come and research tvs...buy plasmas...

Your post deals with the reasons for the over-representation. The poll results are irrefutable as to the over-representation itself.

At this point, the poll shows plasmas leading LCDs by almost 2 to 1. On the other hand, LCDs allegedly outsell plasmas by the same or higher ratio. Weird. One possible conclusion: LCD owners do not visit this sub-forum because they are still busy trying to figure out how to set them up. Another: LCD owners are happy actually watching TV rather than come here.

Or it's because there are a shitload of lcds made in sizes smaller than 42" from many different manufacturers. I would be very surprised if there is much of a difference between plasma and lcd in 42"+ sizes.

I got a plasma in the living room and an SXRD RPTV downstairs. Married, wife and kids beat the heck out of the plasma every day with Nickelodeon, Soapnet, leaving menus up, etc. It's still pristine. Only thing they've had to get used to is the fill screen mode. They do watch *some* high-def but it's mainly when I DVR something or put on something from OnDemand.

I did used to worry when I first got my panel about whether the wife and kids would ruin it. After having it for over two years I don't worry anymore.

Even though I'm single, it doesn't matter, I rule. I buy what I want when I want and no woman is going to tell me what I can or cannot not do with my money.So you're saying that your mother has no say-so on what kind of TV you bring into her house? :D

So you're saying that your mother has no say-so on what kind of TV you bring into her house? :D

oh man, that was a good one:D

If I were single and had no friends on planet Earth and viewed TV in a bright room at the ideal instance and someone gave me a calibrated XBR8 I take it--and I'd trade it for a decent plasma!

Dang, married here and both of my primary displays are RPCRT.

Gaming TV is plasma...

Anyways I'd say LCD is for nudists that aren't comfortable with seeing their reflection in the TV when it's off.

Married, Kuro 50" as primary, and she actually liked it most after being shown all the best options in person from Samsung, Sony, Panasonic, and others.

Lights on, lights off. Fantastic picture we both love.

Well, almost married and LCD here. It's actually kindof amazing this poll and how it's turning out. Seems that most that get plasma's are suggesting that it was superior quality. When i first got my LCD a few years ago (Olevia 342i), it looked pretty good against all the plasmas sitting next to it. Had sharper color than the samsung LCD above it. Wasn't sure why, but price did dictate my purchase. My second LCD is a 47" LG, and looks 10x better, and was the same price as my 42"... go figure. I did not use the family excuse when i purchased either of them (i also have an FP setup in the basement), more of the budgetary excuse for me. Bang for the buck when i was shopping. I also looked at the total cost of ownership. The 50" plasma that was in the price range of the LG LCD, used 3x the power... that was really the deal breaker for me.

Single, LCD. I have roomates, and I try to be energy efficient.

The 50" plasma that was in the price range of the LG LCD, used 3x the power... that was really the deal breaker for me.

Were you using the ratings of maximum power for each set? You may not be aware but that's not a very good representation of what the TV's actually consume during normal use. What model was the plasma that you were looking and what model LG did you get as 3 times seems pretty extraordinary.

Were you using the ratings of maximum power for each set? You may not be aware but that's not a very good representation of what the TV's actually consume during normal use. What model was the plasma that you were looking and what model LG did you get as 3 times seems pretty extraordinary.

I agree. My 60" Elite KURO runs quite cool, compared to other plasmas I have seen, and only gets slightly warm even after it has been in constant use for several hours. I don't have an AC wattmeter to measure the actual power consumption, however. In any case, I am never aware of it raising the room temperature perceptibly at all.

I think the most surprising part of this poll is the amount that are married... what's wrong with you guys? :D

I think the most surprising part of this poll is the amount that are married... what's wrong with you guys? :D

People tend to do that when they have or want kids.

Being single is great though. A lot of people feel that they have to get married to be a complete adult. Thats hogwash. Get married if you want kids/family, or if you think you've found your soul mate (if you believe in all that). No other reason.

don't kid yourself... being married with no kids has a LOT of advantages... :)

don't kid yourself... being married with no kids has a LOT of advantages... :)


Oh, I wasn't defending marriage. I'm the last guy to do that (I'm not married yet) and being single is freakin awsome, so I'm not trying to kid anybody, believe you me.

I'm just saying that *some* people actually like/want marriage.

Go figure.

Having kids also has advantages. I have two. For taxes, my GF claimed one and I claimed one. Without the kid, I would've got back a few hundred bucks at best. With the kid, I got back over $2500. Thus I now have a shiney new 40" 1080p Samsung LCD. (with plenty left over to buy the rugrats some new toys)

Big advantage :)

So you're saying that your mother has no say-so on what kind of TV you bring into her house? :D

Moms would get back slapped trying to tell me what TV to own:D

Now you wimpy little henpeck men that have to get approval from your wives, I feel sorry for you.:(:rolleyes::D:(

Moms would get back slapped trying to tell me what TV to own:D

Now you wimpy little henpeck men that have to get approval from your wives, I feel sorry for you.:(:rolleyes::D:(

My wife bought me my TV for me and I chose whichever one I wanted. :p

Moms would get back slapped trying to tell me what TV to own:D

Now you wimpy little henpeck men that have to get approval from your wives, I feel sorry for you.:(:rolleyes::D:(

I'm confused. To most of us a back slap is a sign of affection or a congratulatory gesture, so are you saying you would be happy for your mother to choose your TV?

As for marriage, to me the benefits far outweigh the advantages of the single life. My wife encouraged me to buy whatever I wanted when I decided to upgrade my plasma last November.

The biggest difference (and it's true) is that married people tend to live healthier and longer.

(Of course, I suppose it matters who you marry.)

The biggest difference (and it's true) is that married people tend to live healthier and longer.

(Of course, I suppose it matters who you marry.)

Is being married and living longer a cause and effect or just a correlation?

So far, the results of this poll would tend to support these conclusions:

1. Women like plasmas more than LCDs
2. Guys who prefer plasmas are the marrying types
3. Plasma guys want to share their joy so they marry
4. LCD heads are more selfish and tend to watch alone, unconcerned about the off-center PQ.

Any other ideas how to explain the outcome?

So, single guys, if you have had it with being single, here is a line for you: Let's go to my place and I will show you my new plasma TV, a poll at AVS and Post 73.
This and a dimmer might be all you will need.

Moms would get back slapped trying to tell me what TV to own:D

Now you wimpy little henpeck men that have to get approval from your wives, I feel sorry for you.:(:rolleyes::D:(

Audie Paradise:

Him and his inflatable partner, sitting silently, side by side, watching TV!:)

Is being married and living longer a cause and effect or just a correlation?

So far, the results of this poll would tend to support these conclusions:

1. Women like plasmas more than LCDs
2. Guys who prefer plasmas are the marrying types
3. Plasma guys want to share their joy so they marry
4. LCD heads are more selfish and tend to watch alone, unconcerned about the off-center PQ.

Any other ideas how to explain the outcome?

So, single guys, if you have had it with being single, here is a line for you: Let's go to my place and I will show you my new plasma TV, a poll at AVS and Post 73.
This and a dimmer might be all you will need.

While I'm not married, I have a live-in girlfriend and 2 kids. I also have friends over all the time. No one has yet to mention the off-center PQ problem with my LCD. Absolutely no one. Thats because it isn't really noticable if you are further than 5 feet away from the TV and I sit at about 8 feet away from a 40".

Then again, none of my friends are HD or HT enthusiasts or anything of that nature. They just like to watch cool movies.

I also have friends over all the time. No one has yet to mention the off-center PQ problem with my LCD. Absolutely no one. Thats because it isn't really noticable if you are further than 5 feet away from the TV and I sit at about 8 feet away from a 40".



I agree. I added that line in a desperate attempt to explain the poll results.

Is being married and living longer a cause and effect or just a correlation?

So far, the results of this poll would tend to support these conclusions:

1. Women like plasmas more than LCDs
2. Guys who prefer plasmas are the marrying types
3. Plasma guys want to share their joy so they marry
4. LCD heads are more selfish and tend to watch alone, unconcerned about the off-center PQ.

Any other ideas how to explain the outcome?

So, single guys, if you have had it with being single, here is a line for you: Let's go to my place and I will show you my new plasma TV, a poll at AVS and Post 73.
This and a dimmer might be all you will need.

Nice try. You're getting hammered once again by your own poll and now try and spin it into some convoluted meaning. That's pretty sad mamazur.

What we know is LCD's out sell plasmas (although we don't have figures on the 40"+ size) and with the HUGE discrepancies in the number of plasma voters compared to the dismal number of LCD owners the only conclusion one can make is that more plasma owners are hobbyists where as it appears the ordinary joe's are the ones that buy an LCD and probably doesn't even really know why other than they want to be like the Jone's and have a big TV (that's not to say the LCD owners in here aren't hobbyists as much as the plasma guys as we're all hobbyists or we wouldn't be here).

Maybe you should try a third poll and it might actually work in favor of your opinion. The first two have failed you miserably. :p

I agree. I added that line in a desperate attempt to explain the poll results.

Your whole explanation above was pretty desperate. Couldn't just admit you were wrong could you? :D

Your whole explanation above was pretty desperate. Couldn't just admit you were wrong could you? :D

Of course he will never do that. Here is what he said, on this thread, on the afternoon of 4/11. Notice that he has not revisited that subject, which he brought up, since more recent events have revealed that he was just clueless and dead wrong.

You shouldn't have done this! This is a gem I will never forget. Brilliant!

I would bet my last pair of socks that a high school volleyball girl team with M16s would take care of those 4 a-holes holding an American hostage off the coast of Somalia in less than ten minutes but for the "pussified" clowns in Washington. I apologize for this detour but I couldn't resist it.

Your whole explanation above was pretty desperate. Couldn't just admit you were wrong could you? :D

Maxdog, if I decide to get me a puppy to nibble on my ankles I will get one from the local Petco.

Maxdog, if I decide to get me a puppy to nibble on my ankles I will get one from the local Petco.

There are better places to acquire a puppy than Petco but this isn't the forum to discuss it. Send me a PM if you would like to discuss it, otherwise let's keep this thread on subject. :)

The sole purpose of me starting this thread was to show that the plasma owners are over-represented in this sub-folder in comaprison to the LCD users. Adjusting for the sales data of the 50-52 inch sets of both types, that ratio is anywhere from 4 to 6 to 1.

This explains why no matter what subject is brought up by an LCD guy, Kuro shows up no later than by the third post. Like they say: you can't debate religion.

The sole purpose of me starting this thread was to show that the plasma owners are over-represented in this sub-folder in comaprison to the LCD users. Adjusting for the sales data of the 50-52 inch sets of both types, that ratio is anywhere from 4 to 6 to 1.

This explains why no matter what subject is brought up by an LCD guy, Kuro shows up no later than by the third post. Like they say: you can't debate religion.

Seriously. You know that's a crock of ....! If you wanted to find that out then just make a poll to ask who owns a plasma and who owns an LCD. You have preached in this forum several times that plasma TV's seem to be better suited towards a single guy and LCD's towards married people and now when your poll clearly shows that not to be the case you try and create something entirely different than what your poll was asking. If you can't even be honest with yourself how is anyone in this forum suppose to believe anything you say? :eek:

The sole purpose of me starting this thread was to show that the plasma owners are over-represented in this sub-folder in comaprison to the LCD users.

Yeah, given the results, this is the only possible card left to be played, and sure enough, there it is.

How unfortunately predictable.

Seriously. You know that's a crock of ....! If you wanted to find that out then just make a poll to ask who owns a plasma and who owns an LCD.

Yes, I believe that you would do it and get again 25 responses or so.

I started this thread on the same day you started yours and got 144 responses. I know that taking part in a poll is as stimulating as filling out a stop mail delivery form at your local post office. Unless you make it more personal.

This thread gave some of the guys an opportunity to say something about them we didn't know. That was nice.

Again, just in case you missed it: I set out to prove a point and I achieved EXACTLY what I wanted. Unless you are a licensed mind reader. If so, please let me know what I thought.

As far as some of my posts like #73, let me just say this: One of the annoyances of life is having to explain a joke. Maxdog, please practice the skill to know one when you see one and we will be better off for it.

Yes, I believe that you would do it and get again 25 responses or so.

I started this thread on the same day you started yours and got 144 responses. I know that taking part in a poll is as stimulating as filling out a stop mail delivery form at your local post office. Unless you make it more personal.

This thread gave some of the guys an opportunity to say something about them we didn't know. That was nice.

Again, just in case you missed it: I set out to prove a point and I achieved EXACTLY what I wanted. Unless you are a licensed mind reader. If so, please let me know what I thought.

As far as some of my posts like #73, let me just say this: One of the annoyances of life is having to explain a joke. Maxdog, please practice the skill to know one when you see one and we will be better off for it.

Yes, you have proven a point. Unfortunately it's not the one you stated above that you feel you got. In the few polls I did, I was perfectly honest with mine and never claimed some sort of ulterior motive that wasn't asked in the poll as I believe in honesty and integrity and not deceit and manipulation. I also didn't realize the number of responses was some sort of contest and only started mine for fun so I didn't feel the need go into the LCD and plasma forums to beg people to come vote in my polls.

I'm not claiming to be a mind reader as I took your poll at face value and voted accordingly. What concerns me is why the need to deceive the participants? It's not like it would have changed how people voted as they are either married or single and own a plasma or LCD. Pretty simple really, but I'm glad you got the results you were looking for and now we can all rest at ease that for now on whenever you post, start a thread or respond, we have to wonder are you being honest.

As for your post #73, I have a dry sense of humor and like to respond to sarcastic remarks in a serious manner just to see the response I get. It can be pretty enlightening. :D

Have a nice night ramazur, and in the future, just be honest and you'll likely get more positive responses than what you have received. I know I will. :)

I set out to prove a point and I achieved EXACTLY what I wanted[/B]. Unless you are a licensed mind reader. If so, please let me know what I thought.

It would appear that you are the one trying to be a mind reader. You would have claimed some sort of lame victory no matter the results of your poll. If your objective is just to toy around with people ... bah why even finish the sentence...

Edit: BTW, I think the more obvious explanation for the results... if one wants to try reading people's minds... is that plasma folk noticed who the OP was and figured the poll and subsequent thread was bound to be a lot of fun. So in that regard, maybe ramazur threads are what have the over representation of plasma folk.

It's really no mystery why there are more plasma owners reporting here than LCD owners.

Just take a look at Page 1 of the Plasma forum, and then Page 1 of the LCD forum. Add up all of the posts. Compare them -- many, many more postings in the plasma forum.

My theory: The Pioneer cult tips the balance. You won't find proselytizing in the LCD ranks that can touch these boys. If the number of Pioneer posts was representative of the flat-panel population at large, Pioneer would be sh***ing money right now, instead of hemorrhaging it.

It's really no mystery why there are more plasma owners reporting here than LCD owners.

Just take a look at Page 1 of the Plasma forum, and then Page 1 of the LCD forum. Add up all of the posts. Compare them -- many, many more postings in the plasma forum.

My theory: The Pioneer cult tips the balance. You won't find proselytizing in the LCD ranks that can touch these boys. If the number of Pioneer posts was representative of the flat-panel population at large, Pioneer would be sh***ing money right now, instead of hemorrhaging it.

So why is that the case? Why do pioneer owners "proselytize" so much.
A. Because they spent the most they must justify the most.
B. Because the product is "just that good"
C. People who buy pioneers coincidently are also Mormons and they cant help it.

It's really no mystery why there are more plasma owners reporting here than LCD owners.

Just take a look at Page 1 of the Plasma forum, and then Page 1 of the LCD forum. Add up all of the posts. Compare them -- many, many more postings in the plasma forum.

My theory: The Pioneer cult tips the balance. You won't find proselytizing in the LCD ranks that can touch these boys. If the number of Pioneer posts was representative of the flat-panel population at large, Pioneer would be sh***ing money right now, instead of hemorrhaging it.

My theory based on the poll from just a shear numbers point is that there are more plasma owners that are hobbyists and likely to participate in a forum compared to LCD owners. That's not to say that there aren't a lot of LCD owners that are hobbyists as much if not more than some plasma owners though.

In addition to the objective I stated in Post 85, I was interested in how being married may influence buying a plasma vs. an LCD. I was up front about it in Post 1.

What made me do it were the constant reminders by the plasma owners how plasmas come into their own when the lights are off. Again, as I stated in the opening post, some of us, including myself, just couldn't get away with this. As a reminder, for every "Kuro" from the plasma camp there was "cave" from the LCD guys, so I didn't invent this just for the purpose of this thread. Am I surprised that the married with plasma group is in the lead? Yes, I am.

There was nothing devious about my main purpose which was to show why in the plasma vs. LCD debates, the LCD side seems outnumbered. Now we know: because it is. Add to this the disadvantage of dealing with the cult of Kuro - with the lowest sales but the largest following - and the outcome is predictable.

Finally, a complaint that I didn't say at the beginning what my true motive is is the single dumbest thing I heard lately. The poll takers out there, here is a novel idea: tell the responders what result you are trying to get or risk an accusation of being deceitful. Now, how much more brilliant can one get!

Looking at the numbers as they stand right now 52% of lcd owners (that participated in the poll) are single. That means that there is no correlation, people buy lcds whether they are single or married.

Also 62% of plasma owners are married. You know what? That's merely a slight correlation, really.

Real conclusion to be drawn from this poll: is that single/married does not really play a factor in choosing the tv.

See you have to use Baye's formula to really draw the results out, instead of simply looking at the raw numbers.

The real conclusion is Plasma is better then. Two heads are better than one. lol. Just kidding LCD owners.

The real conclusion is Plasma is better then. Two heads are better than one. lol. Just kidding LCD owners.


Hey, I'm an LCD owner and even I think Plasma is better! Thats a no-brainer. I just play a lot of JRPG's, so burn-in is a serious issue for me. Gotta go LCD.

As I said earlier, all this poll does is validate the number of respective plasma/LCD posters at AVS. Which tells us little about the population at large, because it's well established that LCDs outsell plasmas by a wide margin.

I do believe that having women/kids in the house does influence that. You get a whiff of it with the occasional "new plasma owner" post: guy buys new plasma, guy goes out for a while, wife/mother/kids watch 4:3 SD stuff all day, guy comes home and sees bars on his nice new toy, yells at the wife/mother/kids....

What we don't hear is the wife/mother yelling back, "What'd I do? I just changed channels, for cryin' out loud -- now I gotta fiddle with other controls too? So the new TV owns us now? I thought you said you researched this thing." Which means a trip back to the store to get an LCD and make the guy's life a little more bearable. And, no doubt, a cautionary tale of woe to his married buddies, which probably gets embellished and spreads like West Nile virus.

In addition to the objective I stated in Post 85, I was interested in how being married may influence buying a plasma vs. an LCD. I was up front about it in Post 1.

What made me do it were the constant reminders by the plasma owners how plasmas come into their own when the lights are off. Again, as I stated in the opening post, some of us, including myself, just couldn't get away with this. As a reminder, for every "Kuro" from the plasma camp there was "cave" from the LCD guys, so I didn't invent this just for the purpose of this thread. Am I surprised that the married with plasma group is in the lead? Yes, I am.

There was nothing devious about my main purpose which was to show why in the plasma vs. LCD debates, the LCD side seems outnumbered. Now we know: because it is. Add to this the disadvantage of dealing with the cult of Kuro - with the lowest sales but the largest following - and the outcome is predictable.

Finally, a complaint that I didn't say at the beginning what my true motive is is the single dumbest thing I heard lately. The poll takers out there, here is a novel idea: tell the responders what result you are trying to get or risk an accusation of being deceitful. Now, how much more brilliant can one get!

This just keeps getting more hilarious. Whoever mentioned the highlighted part above? Not me, so once again you're spinning and twisting things for your own agenda. When are you going to be honest with yourself as you not only dig the hole, you jump in and cover it up. :p

Married - DLP.

But I don't see what my marital status has to do with it.

As I said earlier, all this poll does is validate the number of respective plasma/LCD posters at AVS. Which tells us little about the population at large, because it's well established that LCDs outsell plasmas by a wide margin.



I agree with the highlighted claim. The question is why in this poll plasmas outnumber LCDs as the primary set by a ratio of 2:1 in contradiction to the sales figures. That ratio jumps to 3:1 when married. Does the presence of a woman have this kind of effect on the plasma vs. LCD choice or were all those plasmas bought by the guys when they were still single?

The available data, anecdotal or compiled, shows that LCDs of all sizes outsell plasmas by 8:1. In the 50-52 inch bracket that ratio is at least 2:1 in favor of LCDs. Here it is the exact opposite.

What gives?

I agree with the highlighted claim. The question is why in this poll plasmas outnumber LCDs as the primary set by a ratio of 2:1 in contradiction to the sales figures.

The available data, anecdotal or compiled, shows that all LCDs outsell plasma by 8:1. In the 50-52 inch bracket that ratio is at least 2:1 in favor of LCDs. Here it is the exact opposite.

What gives?

Because this is a forum of enthusiasts the numbers are skewed toward plasma which most of us on the forum agree is superior to LCD. I don't think the numbers on this forum are reflective of the general public's buying habits or preferences.

or that people that care enough about picture quality to come and research tvs...buy plasmas, while the ones that go and pickup the first tv they find at futureshop buy lcd? Maybe it shows the forum has far less joe average, and more enthusiasts.

Why would joe six pack impulse buy a big screen tv? The people that own hdtvs are not in the majority, and I don't think that anywhere near a majority of them bought without thinking. I don't buy this unwashed masses elitism. Why do you have to be so elitist?

Why would joe six pack impulse buy a big screen tv? The people that own hdtvs are not in the majority, and I don't think that anywhere near a majority of them bought without thinking. I don't buy this unwashed masses elitism. Why do you have to be so elitist?

Many do as I know several who have as it's now the cool thing to have. Very few people do much reserach other than Consumer Reports, brand loyalty/recognition or what the salesman recommends.

I agree with the highlighted claim. The question is why in this poll plasmas outnumber LCDs as the primary set by a ratio of 2:1 in contradiction to the sales figures. That ratio jumps to 3:1 when married. Does the presence of a woman have this kind of effect on the plasma vs. LCD choice or were all those plasmas bought by the guys when they were still single?

The available data, anecdotal or compiled, shows that LCDs of all sizes outsell plasmas by 8:1. In the 50-52 inch bracket that ratio is at least 2:1 in favor of LCDs. Here it is the exact opposite.

What gives?

maybe you should start another poll to find out as all your poll has shown me is that plasma folks are more into the hobby than the majority of LCD folks are. :rolleyes:

Because this is a forum of enthusiasts the numbers are skewed toward plasma which most of us on the forum agree is superior to LCD. I don't think the numbers on this forum are reflective of the general public's buying habits or preferences.

That proves nothing. The plasma folks are just more vocal, pannicky and desparate as they see the end coming.

Many do as I know several who have as it's now the cool thing to have. Very few people do much reserach other than Consumer Reports, brand loyalty/recognition or what the salesman recommends.

You know those are really not bad ways of choosing a tv. And certainly using CR or going on advise of others is not exactly impulse buying without any thought. And the name brands make better tvs! Which would you rather buy-- Sony/Samsung/Panasonic/Pioneer or Emerson/Dynex/Insignia/Sanyo? Seriously?

It's like you're saying if you're not looking at the CIE diagrams and grayscale dEs for the tvs that you consider purchasing, then you're not even serious!:D

You know those are really not bad ways of choosing a tv. And certainly using CR or going on advise of others is not exactly impulse buying without any thought. And the name brands make better tvs! Which would you rather buy-- Sony/Samsung/Panasonic/Pioneer or Emerson/Dynex/Insignia/Sanyo? Seriously?

It's like you're saying if you're not looking at the CIE diagrams and grayscale dEs for the tvs that you consider purchasing, then you're not even serious!:D

Of course not as it's better than blindly picking a set, but as has been demonstrated in here on numerous occassions, the folks here are much more particular and typically do more research than the average Joe. I think you totally misuderstood what I was saying. Like i said in a previous post, despite how much discussion there is on flaws in this forum, today's TV offers a pretty good value and a great viewing experience compared to several years back.

That proves nothing. The plasma folks are just more vocal, pannicky and desparate as they see the end coming.

Why would anyone be panicky or desperate? If plasma or LCD or both come to an end that typically means something else better is available. It's not like a plasma TV will stop working if they stop producing them. Your post was both foolish and meaningless. :p

Of course not as it's better than blindly picking a set, but as has been demonstrated in here on numerous occassions, the folks here are much more particular and typically do more research than the average Joe. I think you totally misuderstood what I was saying. Like i said in a previous post, despite how much discussion there is on flaws in this forum, today's TV offers a pretty good value and a great viewing experience compared to several years back.

The point is that people who buy hdtvs are discerning, maybe not at the level as a dedicated videophile, but enough that you can't explain away lcds outselling plasmas just because joe six pack blindly buys his tv. That's not it at all.

The point is that people who buy hdtvs are discerning, maybe not at the level as a dedicated videophile, but enough that you can't explain away lcds outselling plasmas just because joe six pack blindly buys his tv. That's not it at all.

What are the sales figures for LCD versus Plasma for 2008, by comparable screen sizes? There are many millions of LCD small panels sold in sizes that Plasmas do not come in.

What are the sales figures for LCD versus Plasma for 2008, by comparable screen sizes? There are many millions of LCD small panels sold in sizes that Plasmas do not come in.

Plasmas do come in 32", 37", 42", 46" and 50" small tv sizes.

That proves nothing. The plasma folks are just more vocal, pannicky and desparate as they see the end coming.

Plus a sense of abandonment after the king abdicated and left town broke.

Plus a sense of abandonment after the king abdicated and left town broke.

He's still sitting quite comfortably on my TV stand.

Audie Paradise:

Him and his inflatable partner, sitting silently, side by side, watching TV!:)

Wow, that's too funny :p It will fit perfectly with his imaginary KURO ;)

That proves nothing. The plasma folks are just more vocal, pannicky and desparate as they see the end coming.

And yet, you supposedly own a KURO :rolleyes: Kettle meet teapot...

What are the sales figures for LCD versus Plasma for 2008, by comparable screen sizes? There are many millions of LCD small panels sold in sizes that Plasmas do not come in.

I don't know what the figures, but I feel that you're right. Just walk into any store and see tons and tons of small tvs, several medium tvs and a few large tvs.

Plus a sense of abandonment after the king abdicated and left town broke.

Like it matters, will my Elite explode now that Pioneer's plasma division went under :rolleyes: Last time I checked most people don't buy sets to be cool, they buy them because... wait for it... they display a good picture. If I didn't own an 151, I would have owned a XBR8. Sorry, but I don't buy into display technology fanboiism :rolleyes:

Plus a sense of abandonment after the king abdicated and left town broke.



Help me here ramazur, Is this another one of your jokes as I Just want to make sure so that there's no confusion between us. One thing I have noticed, you sure seem to be caught up in some sort of Kuro hysteria but what you need to realize, it's just a TV, unless you're paranoid that a Kuro owner is going to take your wife away as we all know from the poll that women prefer plasmas. :D

I don't know what the figures, but I feel that you're right. Just walk into any store and see tons and tons of small tvs, several medium tvs and a few large tvs.

Pretty much, and in reality, it's all what makes you happy in life. Most of the people on this forum are enthusiasts that would often want the largest size available that they can fit. J6P, and a lot of my friends for that matter, couldn't care less since they are just looking for something to watch TV. LCD is more popular due to several factors: size, perception of plasma burn-in/longevity, and brightness.

Plasmas do come in 32", 37", 42", 46" and 50" small tv sizes.



32" and 37" are few and far between and only one or two manufacturers even make them anymore. They pretty much are made in the 40" and up size as that's what's generally available.

What we don't hear is the wife/mother yelling back, "What'd I do? I just changed channels, for cryin' out loud -- now I gotta fiddle with other controls too? So the new TV owns us now? I thought you said you researched this thing." Which means a trip back to the store to get an LCD and make the guy's life a little more bearable. And, no doubt, a cautionary tale of woe to his married buddies, which probably gets embellished and spreads like West Nile virus.Hate to quote myself, but... I think the guy I just described, who settled for the LCD to achieve a little peace in his life, was/is probably too demoralized to frequent an enthusiasts' watering hole and share his decisionmaking history.

(That is, unless that particular "watering hole" involves a twelve-step process...)

32" and 37" are few and far between and only one or two manufacturers even make them anymore. They pretty much are made in the 40" and up size as that's what's generally available.

So people prefer LCDs in those sizes where PDPs can't be made meaningfully cheaper, thus reduced plasma production and less retail precense.

And yet, you supposedly own a KURO :rolleyes: Kettle meet teapot...

The vivid dreams of owning a kuro were so vivid, that Audi truely thought he owned one. Over time he might realize it was just a dream.

The sad part is that the tv fanatics selling you lcd's for profits (easy profit) in all the box stores go home and watch a plasma at the end of the day. How someone can push a set that they themselves wouldn't buy takes a real salesman...piece of work.

When you go into the boutique for a plasma...there is no pushing...you get the remote, and an hour later you pay them the money. The tv sells itself on merit alone. (oh, and there is no lineup for your seat...because not many people buy them....except for the ones that actually come to give the seat a try)

The vivid dreams of owning a kuro were so vivid, that Audi truely thought he owned one. Over time he might realize it was just a dream.

File this one under Rule #3 of my AVS Forum Newbie Translation Guide to Auditor55 Posting:

1.) SED is my God, I have no other
2.) My fanboiism to my God knows no bounds of reason or logic, it doesn't matter that I have never actually seen it in person before, tech handouts and data I don't really understand are good enough for me
3.) Pioneer and the KURO are a bunch of gargolyes because they killed my beloved SED, but then I "bought" a KURO so I can a talk trash about plasma technology without being called a fanboi to SED
4.) If you have nothing important to add to a conversation, interject SED into it (e.g., What plasma or LCD panel should I buy? Answer: SED)
5.) I am a technological expert of no equal, xrox has nothing on me

Ridiculing a guy who never responds in kind is ridiculous. Drop it.

Buy the biggest you can afford.


I was told the exact same thing by a friend of mine...he said any purchases from here on out have to be "evaluated"....:D;) I think I may just do that....I'll make one last impulse buy.

Ridiculing a guy who never responds in kind is ridiculous. Drop it.

You're right, however, instead his makes ridiculous claims that bear no merit to the general discussion, all part of his game. I'm just doing my part to point it about. Sorry, ramazur, my decision stands. I may not agree with you on many posts, but a least you are trying to contribute here...

As we debate plasmas and LCDs, it would be helpful to know the life styles we lead. It seems to me that those who are single would tend to buy plasmas as their primary set. Being single allows them to better control their viewing environment. As a married person I couldn't get away with seriously dimming the lights not to mention turning them off completely.

The poll is anonymous.

Now that this poll seems to be winding down it appears your original assumption was completely off base and that the majority of plasma owners are married and it's pretty much evenly split with single owners slightly edging married owners on the LCD side. :eek:

Now that this poll seems to be winding down it appears your original assumption was completely off base and that the majority of plasma owners are married and it's pretty much evenly split with single owners slightly edging married owners on the LCD side. :eek:

My "original assumption" was based on the hundreds of posts by the plasma owners who admitted that they like watching with the lights off. It was logical on my part to conclude that this preference might create a conflict within a family as opposed to a single person doing what he pleases. The poll results not support this hypothesis.

My "original assumption" was based on the hundreds of posts by the plasma owners who admitted that they like watching with the lights off. It was logical on my part to conclude that this preference might create a conflict within a family as opposed to a single person doing what he pleases.


The poll results are (do) not support this hypothesis.


Isn't that what I said, that your original assumption was wrong as shown by the poll? :confused:

As a by-product, this poll also shows that the Flat Panel sub-forum is dead. The proof: Of the 33 threads, only two have higher number of posts, with this thread scoring a mediocre 128.

This state of things is a testimony to the victory of logic over emotion as most players, exhausted from repeating themselves in response to the same arguments, just moved on. The great plasma vs. LCD debate is now officially over. Good riddance.

Both plasma and LCDs have their own - and thriving - sub-forums. This one should be devoted to other technologies or deleted.

As a by-product, this poll also shows that the Flat Panel sub-forum is dead. The proof: Of the 33 threads, only two have higher number of posts, with this thread scoring a mediocre 128.

This state of things is a testimony to the victory of logic over emotion as most players, exhausted from repeating themselves in response to the same arguments, just moved on. The great plasma vs. LCD debate is now officially over. Good riddance.

Both plasma and LCDs have their own - and thriving - sub-forums. This one should be devoted to other technologies or deleted.
You nailed it.

Maybe management will listen to you.

i vote keep it "New FP Tech" for OLED, SED, Laserview ect.

Take out the "General Flat Panel" part.

some places have "overflow forums" where anything goes - politics, religion, lcd/plasma debates...they can get extremely raunchy.

As a by-product, this poll also shows that the Flat Panel sub-forum is dead. The proof: Of the 33 threads, only two have higher number of posts, with this thread scoring a mediocre 128.


I think it has more to do with the fact many posters around here actually read the title of the sticky thread on the top--

LCD or Plasma? Plasma or LCD? and why those Black Bars? Discuss it here only Please

:D I'm only half joking, because obviously that sticky was created because people were getting tired of seeing lcd vs plasma debates all over the place.

I think the other forums are more active, because people want either advise about purchasing a specific tv, or they want to talk about the tv that they own.

i vote keep it "New FP Tech" for OLED, SED, Laserview ect.

Take out the "General Flat Panel" part.

some places have "overflow forums" where anything goes - politics, religion, lcd/plasma debates...they can get extremely raunchy.

My sentiment exactly.

When the flat panel forums were split up, there was debate about how it would be done:

David Bott [owner of AVS] preferred the 3 forum split as we still have today: I doubt he would agree to change it

Thanks

When the flat panel forums were split up, there was debate about how it would be done:

David Bott [owner of AVS] preferred the 3 forum split as we still have today: I doubt he would agree to change it

Thanks

Makes sense Mark as it seems to work just fine the way it is and if a poster doesn't want to participate in a particular thread then they can simply ignore it.

As a by-product, this poll also shows that the Flat Panel sub-forum is dead. The proof: Of the 33 threads, only two have higher number of posts, with this thread scoring a mediocre 128.

This state of things is a testimony to the victory of logic over emotion as most players, exhausted from repeating themselves in response to the same arguments, just moved on. The great plasma vs. LCD debate is now officially over. Good riddance.

Both plasma and LCDs have their own - and thriving - sub-forums. This one should be devoted to other technologies or deleted.

Dead? It's never been a heavily pariticipated forum but it's definitely not dead. I think you're confusing it with SED :)

I think the other forums are more active, because people want either advise about purchasing a specific tv, or they want to talk about the tv that they own.
When this was the only forum for both plasma and LCD it was plasma popular. LCD was the newer tech and less popular. As LCD grew up they spilt the forums.

But as times change so does the AVS. Maybe things won't change for now but times always change.

But as times change so does the AVS. Maybe things won't change for now but times always change.

true...change is inevitable

someday there may be an additional sub forum for another type of flat panel technology if/ when it becomes a mainstream product

Posting under a screen name has the advantage of anonymity. This provides a poster with more freedom to speak his mind freely. Sometimes this freedom is abused but not often enough to be an issue.

I do believe, however, that such personal details as age, gender, marital status, or level of education being disclosed with every post would help a lot in being more refined in our responses.

For example, before I respond I first look at the post counter. If the number is low I would take different approach than I would if the count is into thousands. The same with gender and education. Call it sexist or elitist if you wish but the fact is that we, guys, reserve the kinder side of our interface with others when dealing with the opposite gender and younger people, in general.

I really believe that the more we know about another person the friendlier the conversation.

please limit your posts to technical discussions...at all times

thanks

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