View Full Version : About to roll my Philips 60 inch down a steep hill into traffic. Help!


mikeb23ft
04-11-09, 04:16 PM
This is my first tv. I got it for 600 bucks, which I thought was just a super amazing deal at the time, but as it turns out is pretty average. It is a 60pp9100d, the BOTL 60 inch hd from 4 years ago.

The problems started as soon as I got it home. I noticed the tv had the blue/green fuzz which I hadn't seen at the guys house testing it out.

I took the blue and green guns out and changed the coolant, then reinstalled them. The pictures looked better, but the blue still has some fuzz. Anyway, I was proud of myself for achieving this for all of 20 minutes when I realized I hadn't aligned the green gun properly and the entire picture was tilted to the left at the top and kind of convex at the bottom. Not a huge deal but noticeable. I also made the mistake of turning the knobs for focus and color level inside of the tv and now the colors are all wrong, I had to eyeball them and they're pretty off. I have an Eyeone LT but I don't want to waste my time calibrating the tv if I'm just going to have to go in there and change some more things to get the picture to fit exactly in the middle of the screen.

The 'collar' (I don't really know the technical terminology for these things) doesn't go far enough onto the green tube to get the picture small enough to fit evenly on the screen. I thought maybe manually turning the convergence rings could help this problem but was once again wrong. I think at this point my frustration is getting the best of me and my temptation to go put a nice new 42" plasma on my credit card and be done with this thing is taking over. Before I do anything drastic, I'll ask- how do I correctly go about aligning the green gun to the center of the screen after taking it out for cleaning? If the blue gun has clean fluid but is still blurry, what is the problem? Should I perform a karate kid jump kick into the screen of this thing or bash it to death Office Space style? Please help me out here, I'm only 23 and I don't really have the cash to go buy a new tv at the moment.

hammerdwn
04-11-09, 05:27 PM
If you didn't take the red crt out or play with it's yoke or rings, then you can re-align the green and blue to match with the red.

Electronic focus knobs are easy- just apply a signal/picture, look down into each lens, turn the knob until the picture is sharp.

For mechanical (lens) focus you'll need to put the screen back on and with the conv pattern on the screen cover the other two lenses while you work on one, turn the lens ring to get the picture sharp.

Grayscale (color)- apply a signal/picture, in the user menu turn color level to zero, then adjust the G2 screen controls until the picture is purely black and white tones, no pinkish greenish purple-ish tints. Then in the user menu turn the color back to 50%

mikeb23ft
04-12-09, 03:37 AM
If you didn't take the red crt out or play with it's yoke or rings, then you can re-align the green and blue to match with the red.

Electronic focus knobs are easy- just apply a signal/picture, look down into each lens, turn the knob until the picture is sharp.

For mechanical (lens) focus you'll need to put the screen back on and with the conv pattern on the screen cover the other two lenses while you work on one, turn the lens ring to get the picture sharp.

Grayscale (color)- apply a signal/picture, in the user menu turn color level to zero, then adjust the G2 screen controls until the picture is purely black and white tones, no pinkish greenish purple-ish tints. Then in the user menu turn the color back to 50%

Thanks, I'm a little calmer now, and I've got some more questions.

Should I use the 'restore factory' setting on the convergence menu before aligning the green and blue tubes with the red? Seems like that would be sensible. Also, I measured the TV awhile back to find the true middle, and the red convergence cross wasn't quite on it at factory settings. That concerned me.

The major problem with the TV at this point is that even when the green tube yoke is all the way 'up' on the tube at its highest position, there are still some green portions of the picture at the bottom that don't make it onto the screen- they spill over to the case at the bottom.

The second big issue is the blue focus. No matter what I do it's always a bit fuzzy, never as sharp as the green or red. I changed the fluid, and that helped a great deal, but it's still noticeable. Is there a part that could have gone bad to cause the blue to never focus correctly?

As far as greyscale and color calibration, I have an Eyeone LT and I was planning to use the greyscale guide from Curtpalme.com to get everything just right, but I will keep that tip in mind for getting it close before I start.

I think that my basic plan for this tv is to get it to the point where it's serviceable and look for a Pioneer Elite or one of the high end Mitus in the trader or on Craigslist.

hammerdwn
04-12-09, 09:44 PM
...Should I use the 'restore factory' setting on the convergence menu before aligning the green and blue tubes with the red? Seems like that would be sensible... Hmm, I don't know. I never do resets like that unless the factory tells me it's ok. I'm afraid of having to do it all over from scratch.


...the red convergence cross wasn't quite on it at factory settings. That concerned me...
Simple way to correct center is convergence/centering rings on the yoke.

The major problem with the TV at this point is that even when the green tube yoke is all the way 'up' on the tube at its highest position, there are still some green portions of the picture at the bottom that don't make it onto the screen- they spill over to the case at the bottom. How much? There is always overscan on projection units. Do rough alignment with yoke centering rings then service menu convergence single point, multipoint, and last fine-point.

The second big issue is the blue focus. No matter what I do it's always a bit fuzzy, never as sharp as the green or red. If you look down into the lens with a signal/picture and turn the electronic focus knob does the picture look sharp down on the face of the crt?

mikeb23ft
04-12-09, 11:12 PM
If you look down into the lens with a signal/picture and turn the electronic focus knob does the picture look sharp down on the face of the crt?

Thanks a lot for the information! I'll check the blue picture inside the tube to see if it's focused in there and get back with you. Really appreciate the help.

Michael

mikeb23ft
04-12-09, 11:58 PM
So, I measured the exact middle of the screen and set all of the convergence crosses up on it. Then I lined everything up. The blue is blurry inside of the CRT. The green is crystal clear inside of the CRT but a little blurry on the screen. Might need to clean the screen/mirror? Don't know for sure. Going to finish the setup now and see what it looks like.

Michael

mikeb23ft
04-13-09, 02:50 AM
Got it all converged and setup using the DVE guide to home theater DVD edition, and I must say it looks much, much better than it ever has. I've got renewed hope now :) I'm going to use my Eyeone to tweak the greyscale tomorrow, though I think it's fairly close. The blue still has some blur to it, but the picture setting is way down and that helps. The TV has massive bloom on whites, with blue edges, with the picture set above 30. Like I said, I'll be keeping this one until the right Mitsu, Pioneer, or Sony presents itself on CL or ebay. Thanks so much for the help, though!

ogbuehi
04-13-09, 04:16 AM
Well I'm glad you didn't roll it down the hill already.

mikeb23ft
04-13-09, 05:03 AM
Well I'm glad you didn't roll it down the hill already.

It was a close call :)

I'd spent a ton of hours inside of the thing with no improvement...didn't really know what I was doing. This forum helped a ton, I must say.

hammerdwn
04-13-09, 09:25 AM
If the blue is still cloudy there may be film built up on the inside of the lens, or there was dirty fluid in the overflow bladder (not sure if you flushed that) that has now mixed in with the new fluid.