Just curious, how well do these old mega buck processors stand up to the latest batch of consumer grade scalers? No, I don't have one but how much is one worth in todays market?

Just curious, how well do these old mega buck processors stand up to the latest batch of consumer grade scalers? No, I don't have one but how much is one worth in todays market?

not that well, they only do 50/60 Hz, had one and tested it against the
Faroudja 5000. no match, not even close.

Michael

That's odd. I read a couple of old reviews that put it in the same boat as the Faroudja, better in some ways and worse in others. What was your finding?

The truth is the older Gen Faroudja VPs that used to cost big dollars dont stand up to the New Gen highend consumer grade VPs either ;) ....

Cheers....

If you believe their brochures, today's HQV chipset is equivalent to the $60,000 broadcast-level Terranex of 2004.

If you believe their brochures, today's HQV chipset is equivalent to the $60,000 broadcast-level Terranex of 2004.

That's kinda what I was getting at. I was under the impression that S&W and Terranex brodcast equipment were in the same league performance wise.

The original S&W and Teranex did not process HD. The new generation will handle HD.
The Teranex & S&W have filters not found in consumer VPs. The filters are very powerful, for instance 3d color correction. The Calibre VPs Pros use some of these filters and spit everything out 10bit. No consumer VP output 10 bit. The picture is very clean and refined.






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There are other factors to consider in professional scalers that are sometimes even more important that image quality. These issues do not come up in consumer applications.

The original S&W and Teranex did not process HD. The new generation will handle HD.
The Teranex & S&W have filters not found in consumer VPs. The filters are very powerful, for instance 3d color correction. The Calibre VPs Pros use some of these filters and spit everything out 10bit. No consumer VP output 10 bit. The picture is very clean and refined.








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Alan,
Can't both of those input raw RGBHV and process it? I remember you having a Teranex at one time. If you have the ability to convert HDMI to RGBHV with one of those devices;) would you not then be able to process said video information to your satisfaction and send it along via analog to say my CRT projector?:D

Stefuel. I've seen a few of these G2s show up used and they are a work of art! However, they are a generation back in technology and are lacking in features and capabilities found in some of the newer processors. Same goes for the Faroudja units. If you want to see where Snell & Wilcox are these days, look at the Alchemist over on their website. That's what was being used to do all of the frame rate conversion for the Summer Olympics.

Stefuel. I've seen a few of these G2s show up used and they are a work of art! However, they are a generation back in technology and are lacking in features and capabilities found in some of the newer processors. Same goes for the Faroudja units. If you want to see where Snell & Wilcox are these days, look at the Alchemist over on their website. That's what was being used to do all of the frame rate conversion for the Summer Olympics.


frame rate conversion, aargh !

I try to keep everything in it's original system.

there's no system that can do framerate conversion , because it's not possible do do it right.

Discovery HD here in Europe sucks whith all the US HD programming shown in 50 Hz.


Michael

I give you a few examples about the horror of frame rate conversios on video clips:

you all know the video clip from A-Ha take on me, right ?

this clip is not available in it's original form anymore.

I searched everywhere, bought all the software (LD's & DVD from all over the

world)

it was filmed in 25fps film for PAL.

looks very blurry in PAL and NTSC .

well, most people think that's how video looked back in the 80's.

another exaple would be a Genesis clip 'I can't dance'

the clip was produced in 24fps for the NTSC system, but guess what
it's framerate was somehow magically converted from PAL on the US DVD. 2 conversions NTSC-PAL-NTSC

I don't care how good the converters have become, they still suck at converting framerates

Michael

...there's no system that can do framerate conversion , because it's not possible do do it right. Discovery HD here in Europe sucks whith all the US HD programming shown in 50 Hz....

Maybe going from 720p60 down to 50 Hz doesn't look so good due to aliasing effects, but I don't recall hearing any general complaints over here regarding the upconverted Olympics. Snell & Wilcox have a whitepaper on their website that describes the "right" way to do it. Maybe you should take a look: "The Engineer's Guide to Motion Compensation". You are partially correct, consumer and prosumer grade equipment generally doesn't do a very good job. The Alchemist series of processor starts at around $60K and is in a different league from what you are probably familiar with.

Does anyone know what the difference is between a straight Interpolator Gold and the G2 version? I'have done a search and come up blank.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/30/index6.html

A little insight as to differences.

If you watch DVE very carefully, in one of the scenes where they are showing video equipment, you'll see an S&W Interpolator. If you wind-up buying one of these, wait until you see the insides! Their build quality puts a lot of video equipment to shame.

http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/30/index6.html

A little insight as to differences.

If you watch DVE very carefully, in one of the scenes where they are showing video equipment, you'll see an S&W Interpolator. If you wind-up buying one of these, wait until you see the insides! Their build quality puts a lot of video equipment to shame.



as I reported before, this scaler was worse in all aspects to the Faroudja.

built quality is may have , but video quality is sub par to today's scalers.

Michael

...built quality is may have , but video quality is sub par to today's scalers....

You're preachin' to the choir. I'm not the one interested in buying the item. Merely trying to answer his questions. Maybe he likes build quality or the way the thing looks?