Beaver has stills and they show all strong ringing. :(
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews45/the_reader.htm

I missed this in the cinema, so I'll be BD buying....

Seggers

I've looked at the images as well and I would say that "strong" is much too strong a word. It looks pretty good to me. All the reviews are pretty solid as well. Any ringing appears to be rather light and only obvious in early shots showing a particular actor.

I think some of what you are seeing may be a factor of the way that it is lit. In any case I will wait for either the disk or some uncompressed caps before I make my call.

I think some of what you are seeing may be a factor of the way that it is lit. In any case I will wait for either the disk or some uncompressed caps before I make my call.
No, check the image borders. Top and bottom. Digital filter with ringing was used. Other Beaver stills don't have that if it's not on the disk, do they?

Who knows how they are doing their captures. I knows GIFs used to exhibit ringing that wasn't in the original image. Who knows if JPEGs can as well. The fact that lossy algorithms add artifacts though is why I won't judge any ones work based on them.

As for the borders I can't say I remember ever seeing ringing on borders. I may have never noticed. But the tools they use to manipulate the movie image won't think that there is a black image beyond this border, I better do some edge enhancement.

However what ever was used to do the captures and compress them will see both the movie image and the black borders as one image and might want to apply some EE at what it sees as a hard transition to the black part of the image. That is why we usually leave screen caps to a pro like Xylon.

If you look at the image of the boy with the railing behind him. You would expect that railing with it's straight edge and being much brighter than the back ground to displaying EE but not so much. There are other places where you would expect it as well but it isn't there. Some of the natural light shots show halo effect but due to where it shows up I would bet it also shows up on the film.

Anyone know why the blu-ray is being released two weeks after the DVD version?

Anyone know why the blu-ray is being released two weeks after the DVD version?

Because the Weinstein Co. is grossly incompetent from top to bottom.

Who knows how they are doing their captures.
Xylon to the rescue. We need to know what's going on. :)

Because the Weinstein Co. is grossly incompetent from top to bottom.

How's that?

How's that?

I'm hyperbolizing, of course. I'm just inferring that the right hand doesn't know what the left hand's doing from their total inability to release a film theatrically with any success. Check out this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Weinstein_Company

Look at the list of their releases. I can find TWO releases that MIGHT be called successful (THE READER and VICKI CRISTINA), though I contend that THE READER underperformed. The list is just littered with total bombs that underperformed horrendously. MISS POTTER? ZACK AND MIRI? THE MIST? These were relatively high-profile films with top-drawer casts and directors that got good reviews, and they tanked because the studio can't figure out how to market and distribute a film competently. I'm just assuming that that incompetence runs throughout their organization.

I watched the BD of The Reader today and was impressed. I thought it looked wonderful most of the time. I saw some signs of DNR in a few of the closeups but other than those few instances, I could hardly have asked for better PQ. The TrueHD audio was fine, too.

The Reader is so new to BD, I suppose it is no surprise that nobody has yet commented on its dramatic merits. Thus, I will make a few comments along those lines here. The Reader is a film that takes its time, boy, does it ever take its time. Fortunately, I was prepared for that and after it was over felt richly rewarded for having watched it. Over most it its course, the movie is dispassionate almost to the point of coldness but, finally, in the end it is warm and deeply satisfying, two hours very well spent.

Yea, the movie starts slow, but it was actually a really good movie, especially about the halfway point and on.

I watched the BD of The Reader today and was impressed. I thought it looked wonderful most of the time. I saw some signs of DNR in a few of the closeups but other than those few instances, I could hardly have asked for better PQ. The TrueHD audio was fine, too.

The Reader is so new to BD, I suppose it is no surprise that nobody has yet commented on its dramatic merits. Thus, I will make a few comments along those lines here. The Reader is a film that takes its time, boy, does it ever take its time. Fortunately, I was prepared for that and after it was over felt richly rewarded for having watched it. Over most it its course, the movie is dispassionate almost to the point of coldness but, finally, in the end it is warm and deeply satisfying, two hours very well spent.

The movie turned out to be much worse than the book. The book is a great read. But I still would like to have this movie on blu-ray!

I'll have to watch this again. Saw it in the theater (loved it) and then read the book. I thought it was a very faithful adaptation. Of course it loses some of the nuances but overall I thought they did a fantastic job.

The movie turned out to be much worse than the book. The book is a great read. But I still would like to have this movie on blu-ray!

I'll have to watch this again. Saw it in the theater (loved it) and then read the book. I thought it was a very faithful adaptation. Of course it loses some of the nuances but overall I thought they did a fantastic job.
I haven't read the book but placed it on reserve at my public library after I saw the BD. I am looking forward to reading it.

Absolutely, the great movie and the best actress,she did deserve it.

This movie could have been great! Its such a fascinating story but just falls short due to the fact that its presented in English. I wanted to get lost in Germany watching this movie but listening to English in strange German accents really lessened the authenticity. I thought Hollywood was getting away from this? I understand why studios do it $$$ but it is still disappointing.

With all that said I still recommend this movie. Its a good movie that could have been great.

I thought it was just sort of dreary, and I didn't care much for anybody in the entire film. Winslet did give a very good performance, though.

I thought it was just sort of dreary, and I didn't care much for anybody in the entire film. Winslet did give a very good performance, though.
I too thought that for most of its course, The Reader, was pretty dreary. Nevertheless, Its surprisingly upbeat and satisfying ending saved it in my estimation. As a result of that, I ended up thinking much more highly of both Michael and Hanna than I had earlier.

A very good movie IMO that looks quite good on Blu-ray. It was a blind buy for me but I'm happy with it.

Beaver has stills and they show all strong ringing. :(
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews45/the_reader.htm

Looked like demo reference to me when I rented it. I didn't notice ringing, I thought it was possibly the best live action I've seen.

Pioneer KURO PDP-5010FD 1080p 8' back, pitch black.

I think mhafner is referring to the ringing at the top and bottom of the image as being "strong." Having watched the blu-ray, I can confirm that the ringing you see at the top and bottom of the image captures from DVD Beaver are indeed there on the blu-ray.

Ringing on images within the frame throughout the film, however, is a different story.

There is some light ringing in a handful of brief shots and I doubt this will be bothersome to most viewers.

However, mhafner does not accuse the transfer of Edge Enhancement, I believe he is saying the ringing at the top and bottom of the image indicate that The Reader has been filtered.

Michael McKenzie (Whiggles), another reviewer that I trust, has offered the same opinion:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16433743#post16433743

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16435024#post16435024

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16437054#post16437054

He doesn't believe it has been subjected to Edge Enhancement, he believes it has been subjected to a Low Pass Filter, which is robbing the image of a little bit of crispness and detail.

To my eyes, the image offered by The Reader is just short of the sharpness we see in the sharpest Blu-rays and is very pleasantly detailed but perhaps not as strikingly detailed as the most detailed looking blu-rays.

Some, like the reviewer at DVD Beaver may actually find the image offered by The Reader very pleasant. "Reference" IMO is a much abused word that has lost its meaning through over and misuse.

As McKenzie says, we have no idea how much detail is actually missing.

It would be interesting to have a non-filtered reference for comparison.

My opinion is that the image offered by The Reader is very pleasing.

This is likely due in large part to the work of cinematographer Roger Deakins.

This is just my two cents, but I think most viewers will be happy with The Reader on blu-ray.

To my eyes, the image offered by The Reader is just short of the sharpness we see in the sharpest Blu-rays and is very pleasantly detailed but perhaps not as strikingly detailed as the most detailed looking blu-rays.
I agree with the notion that the PQ of The Reader BD, while pleasantly detailed, falls just short of the striking detail present on those BDs with the very best PQ. As noted in one of my earlier posts, though, I saw nothing in the way the images were presented in this BD, which detracted in any way from my enjoyment of the film

Since "ringing" and "edge enhancement" are used interchangeably, it is hard to know sometimes.

But regardless,we are now supposed to watch the borders as opposed to what is contained inside of the borders?:confused: The image in between the borders (the actual movie!) seems to be very good , if not excellent.

So we are complaining about detail that was lost during this filtering but we do not know how much detail there was to begin with so we will never know how much detail was lost??:confused: What if the director WANTED this filtering? Are we supposed to call the filtering wrong if it was intended?

Another day, another BD to defend.

Bickering and posts not relating directly to the movie have been removed. Further hair-splitting may result in the loss of posting privileges. Though the line about finding a pimple on Jessica Alba's body did make my day.

He doesn't believe it has been subjected to Edge Enhancement, he believes it has been subjected to a Low Pass Filter, which is robbing the image of a little bit of crispness and detail.

That or it's an artifact from downsampling from a 2K master.

I finally was able to rent this and liked the movie. But I have to give big thumbs up to Weinstien & Company for not wasting our time with BD+ and "loading" bars. The BD was even resumable if you hit stop. I would like to see more disks this way.

i finally was able to rent this and liked the movie. But i have to give big thumbs up to weinstien & company for not wasting our time with bd+ and "loading" bars. The bd was even resumable if you hit stop. I would like to see more disks this way.

+1

Yeah the BD quality ain't that Top-notch.

Even with Kate NAKED in so many scenes in the movie, I wouldn't own it yet...

HUGE Deals, I await.

$10-$15-ish

Yeah the BD quality ain't that Top-notch.

Even with Kate NAKED in so many scenes in the movie, I wouldn't own it yet...

HUGE Deals, I await.

$10-$15-ish

you have to be kidding me. I think you're doing something wrong, because on my Pio it looks amazing.

One of the best-looking BDs I've seen lately.

On the "things to do list" for tonite. Can't wait :)

I recently purchased a U.K. (Region 'B') copy of "The Reader"...it is 1080/50p but not '24fps'....the same version of the Bluray from Miramax in the U.S (Region 'A') is 1080p/60 and '24fps'........can anyone explain the difference to me..I suspect the Region 'B' non- '24fps' U.K. version is inferior...???