Is Toshiba going to do the smart thing and include the HD DVD technology when they inevitably go Blu?

You can say that Toshiba will never go Blu, but even Sony started making VCR's and eventually, the numbers will catch up to the hurt.

Having a significant collection of HD's and Blu's I would really appreciate it if Toshiba did include HD in their Blu players, and as long as the players were competent, they would be the brand I would stick with for any new Blu players in the future.

They very likely will not, and if they do, it would only be in their high end player. However, there does seem to be a lot more HD DVD copies in circulation than I expected, since they are still clearing them out, so who knows, maybe there's enough to give them the incentive to do it. At least I hope it...

No

Of course they will eventually go Blu. Technology is leaning that way, and they most certainly want to stay with the times. It may take some time... until their ego rebounds. But it most certainly will happen.

As for putting HD-DVD capabilities in their players, I have a feeling this will never happen. It will ultimately cost the company more to manufacture, and I guarantee you "profitable" and "competitive" are among their top priorities after the big loss.

Is Toshiba going to do the smart thing and include the HD DVD technology when they inevitably go Blu?...

I was saying no, they won't include HD DVD...

To add HD DVD support to a Blu-ray player would mean additional costs in terms of hardware, software, testing, and royalties. It could happen but in my opinion it is unlikely.

Why would Toshiba start making HD DVD players? Toshiba has done all it can to kill HD DVD and wishes it could disappear completely and had never happened. HD DVD is like a Beta albatross hanging around it's neck and considers/wants it to be totally in the past and a dead/legacy format.

HD DVD won't be in the Blu-Ray player Toshiba isn't going to build. They've already written it off in the books, so to bring it back would probably cost them as much licensing all the IP required to do a blu-ray player.

Toshiba has redirected R&D for physical HD media to flash (SDXC) and I'm not sure, but don't believe they've ever rebadged another manufacturer's device with theirs. In short, don't hold your breath for a Toshiba Blu-Ray LaserDisc player.

I'd gladly pay an extra $100 for HD DVD support in a Toshiba Blu-ray player. But at this point Toshiba has no interest in Blu-ray so...

No way they'll include HD DVD if they do go Blu. Haven't you heard it's a dead format?:p

With sales numbers & prices they way they are now I just don't see Toshiba going blu-ray at all.

Blu-ray is still mostly the preserve of the PS3 game console guys & a smaller segment in the a/v enthusiast niche.

I just can't see that there is any money in it for anyone (not once R&D is taken into account) so why bother?

Is Toshiba going to do the smart thing and include the HD DVD technology when they inevitably go Blu?

Inevitably? The only inevitable thing is Sony filing Chapter 11 for bankruptcy and going out of business forever. When that happens Toshiba will relaunch HD-DVD.

Inevitably? The only inevitable thing is Sony filing Chapter 11 for bankruptcy and going out of business forever. When that happens Toshiba will relaunch HD-DVD.

REALLY?? lol. :rolleyes:

With sales numbers & prices they way they are now I just don't see Toshiba going blu-ray at all.

Blu-ray is still mostly the preserve of the PS3 game console guys & a smaller segment in the a/v enthusiast niche.

I just can't see that there is any money in it for anyone (not once R&D is taken into account) so why bother?

If Blu-ray is Dying, Why are Disc Sales Soaring? (http://www.pcworld.com/article/163294/if_bluray_is_dying_why_are_disc_sales_soaring.html)

Rumors of Blu-rays impending death are greatly exaggerated :rolleyes:

With sales numbers & prices they way they are now I just don't see Toshiba going blu-ray at all.From what I have read over 8 million Blu-ray discs (http://www.twice.com/article/CA6628383.html) were sold in December of 2008 which is over twice the number (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2008-02-04-blu-ray-format-war_N.htm) of HD DVD discs sold in 2006 and 2007. Also Futuresource has said (http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6652461.html) that 3 million stand alone Blu-ray players were sold in the fourth quarter of 2008 and they estimate that 12 million stand alone Blu-ray players will sell in 2009. None of that proves that Toshiba will release a stand alone Blu-ray player but in my opinion it is very likely.

But it does prove the BD is a dying niche that will drive Sony into bankruptcy.

In March of 2008 the CEO of Toshiba said they will never go Blu,he said they will be concentrating on their DVD players and TV's.
Whether BD survives nobody knows but DVD's will for a long time.

There is no real money to be made making Blu-ray players. Toshiba won't bother.

In March of 2008 the CEO of Toshiba said they will never go Blu,he said they will be concentrating on their DVD players and TV's.I don't remember the CEO of Toshiba saying that Toshiba would never support Blu-ray. Where did you hear that?

There is no real money to be made making Blu-ray players. Toshiba won't bother.
No kidding.
BR is becoming more of a joke niche product by the day.

Unless they start making it more like SD pricing in content & boxes it will never defeat SD. NEVER.

No kidding.
BR is becoming more of a joke niche product by the day.

Unless they start making it more like SD pricing in content & boxes it will never defeat SD. NEVER.

It is?:confused:

How about you let me know when there isn't significant year over year growth, and then we can talk.

When certain day and date releases are getting 25-30% total sales, anyone calling bluray a "niche product by the day" looks pretty silly.

And since %'s can be deceiving, let's just look at what bluray does monetarily for studios.

For instance, The Spirit just sold 1M copies in week one. 24% on bluray. That means 760k DVD units to 240k bluray units. But in terms of revenue, you have the DVD selling at $16.99, and the bluray selling for $24.99+.

That comes out to about $12.9M for DVD, to about $6M bluray.

You think studios are going to abandon something that makes them 33+% of their total $$ when only selling 1/4 of the units?:rolleyes:

And bluray doesn't have to defeat SD if it is a worthwhile endeavor to the studios - thereby guaranteeing continued support of the format.

I am sorry, but the real world numbers, which are continually growing, contradict what you are saying.

There is no real money to be made making Blu-ray players. Toshiba won't bother.

So then why does every other CE make one?:confused:

For kicks??

So then why does every other CE make one?:confused:

For kicks??

It's not really "every other CE" when most are just re-badged versions (Funai, Insignia, Phillips etc). At this point, by the time Toshiba puts a BD player out on the shelf it will have to be lower priced then there A3 generation of players because the market is saturated - plus the Chinese are coming in a short time making the big CE players drop prices even further.

It's not really "every other CE" when most are just re-badged versions (Funai, Insignia, Phillips etc). At this point, by the time Toshiba puts a BD player out on the shelf it will have to be lower priced then there A3 generation of players because the market is saturated - plus the Chinese are coming in a short time making the big CE players drop prices even further.

It isn't? And "most" are certainly not rebadged units.

Even when grouping Funai, Insignia, Phillips and Magnavox together (since they largely use the same baseline model, like Toshiba did with HD DVD), you still have LG, Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, Memorex, Curtis Mathes, Pioneer, Denon, Sherwood, Oppo, Sharp and soon Vizio. Just about every"major" to "mid major" CE that makes a TV makes a bluray player. Except for Toshiba of course....

And for the most part, they all have independent, separate designs, which means each company spent the R&D, etc. to make the players. Which means they expected to make their money back. Which is contradictory to the comments of the poster above.

It isn't?

Even when grouping Funai, Insignia, Phillips and Magnavox together (since they largely use the same baseline model, like Toshiba did with HD DVD), you still have LG, Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, Memorex, Curtis Mathes, Pioneer, Denon, Sherwood, Oppo, Sharp and soon Vizio. Just about every"major" to "mid major" CE that makes a TV makes a bluray player. Except for Toshiba of course....

And for the most part, they all have independent, separate designs, which means each company spent the R&D, etc. to make the players. Which means they expected to make their money back. Which is contradictory to the comments of the poster above.

Don't hurt your brain trying to understand the logic of some members here. The two you are attempting to reason with have been full of Red Team Wharrgarbl for a long time.

Don't hurt your brain trying to understand the logic of some members here. The two you are attempting to reason with have been full of Red Team Wharrgarbl for a long time.
Same Old Song & Dance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rSRJsjiBdY)

:D

Don't hurt your brain trying to understand the logic of some members here. The two you are attempting to reason with have been full of Red Team Wharrgarbl for a long time.

Which is exactly why BT, who is a known Blu-ray troll, is posting in the HD DVD section on AVS - to stir up trouble.

Which is exactly why BT, who is a known Blu-ray troll, is posting in the HD DVD section on AVS - to stir up trouble.

Hmmmm...how about you try to provide a worthwhile counter discussion to my above posts instead of making accusations?:cool: I presented factual evidence, instead of mere conjecture (like a lot of other people in this thread, like "BR is becoming more of a joke niche product by the day."...and..."But it does prove the BD is a dying niche that will drive Sony into bankruptcy."...and..."There is no real money to be made making Blu-ray players. Toshiba won't bother.").

You said "most" bluray players are rebadges. I provided a list of ~13 or so CE's that all have different player designs. Your move.

Hmmmm...how about you try to provide a worthwhile counter discussion to my above posts instead of making accusations?:cool: I presented factual evidence, instead of mere conjecture (like a lot of other people in this thread, like "BR is becoming more of a joke niche product by the day."...and..."But it does prove the BD is a dying niche that will drive Sony into bankruptcy."...and..."There is no real money to be made making Blu-ray players. Toshiba won't bother.").

You said "most" bluray players are rebadges. I provided a list of ~13 or so CE's that all have different player designs. Your move.

Ahh yes, Curtis Mathis, can't wait for there player!

My response still stands - a known Blu-ray troll starting up trouble in the HD DVD forum. Gee, wonder why.

Ahh yes, Curtis Mathis, can't wait for there player!

Can't wait? It's been on store shelves at Target for a while. FW support and all:
http://www.curtismathes.com/brupdates/cmbrupdate.html

Maybe instead of making accusations you could use that time brushing up on the current state of things.

My response still stands - a known Blu-ray troll starting up trouble in the HD DVD forum. Gee, wonder why.

And so does mine, how is it the "most" bluray players are rebadges when at least 13 different companies each have different player designs?:confused: I am just asking you to qualify your previous statement(s), since the real world facts seemingly contradict them. Meanwhile all you seem to have an interest in is calling me names.

Can't wait? It's been on store shelves at Target for a while. FW support and all:
http://www.curtismathes.com/brupdates/cmbrupdate.html

Maybe instead of making accusations you could use that time brushing up on the current state of things.



And so does mine, how is it the "most" bluray players are rebadges when at least 13 different companies each have different player designs?:confused: I am just asking you to qualify your previous statement(s), since the real world facts seemingly contradict them. Meanwhile all you seem to have an interest in is calling me names.

And my question stands - why is a Blu-ray troll posting on a HD DVD board? Slow news day for you? And name calling is a laugh - you are a known Blu-ray troll - even your posting history can show that.

And my question stands - why is a Blu-ray troll posting on a HD DVD board? Slow news day for you? And name calling is a laugh - you are a known Blu-ray troll - even your posting history can show that.
Ad hominem infinitus sanctus :rolleyes:

And my question stands - why is a Blu-ray troll posting on a HD DVD board?

1) Because this is a public forum.

2) Because of 1) I can post anywhere in this forum, so long as I follow the rules (just like any other member(s)).

3) Because the thread topic seemed interesting to me.

Is that valid enough for you?

Slow news day for you? And name calling is a laugh - you are a known Blu-ray troll - even your posting history can show that.

Super. It's awesome how you continue to evade the absolute incorrectness of your previous statement by continued name calling and off topic discussion.

I will take this as an admission that you were in fact incorrect in your statement that most bluray players are rebadges. when there are about 17-20 manufacturers, and about 13 of them make their own independent player designs, it is factually incorrect to state that "most" players are rebadges. You can call me a troll all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that your statement was dead wrong.

Ad hominem infinitus sanctus :rolleyes:

I'm sorry - am I trolling in the Blu-ray section posting anything rude? Format war ended a year ago...not sure if some people understand that yet.

1) Because this is a public forum.

2) Because I can, and I have not broken any rules.

3) Because the topic seemed interesting to me.

Is that valid enough for you?



Super. It's awesome how you continue to evade the absolute incorrectness of your previous statement by continued name calling and off topic discussion.

I will take this as an admission that you were in fact incorrect in your statement that most bluray players are rebadges.

A good portion of the "CEs" you listed are utter garbage - Curtis Mathis, Sherwood, Memorex? You really think they built everything from the ground up Blu-ray wise? Most are borrowed parts from the big CEs and rebadged. It's wonderful there are some many brands of players out there but I would never buy a Curtis Mathis or Memorex anything - especially not when I could get a Sony/Panasonic for a bit more. You listing them is a joke - I might as well list Venturer, Onkyo, RCA, Integra as well for the HD DVD camp on top of Toshiba, Samsung and LG! Damn...there were a ton of HD DVD Players!

I'm sorry - am I trolling in the Blu-ray section posting anything rude? Format war ended a year ago...not sure if some people understand that yet.
Just asking why you can't debate the facts instead of attacking the poster.

Just asking why you can't debate the facts instead of attacking the poster.

No reason to debate with bt - he is a known Blu-ray troll. Not worth the effort. You'll have to excuse me - I'm going out to buy my Curtis Mathis Blu-ray player!

A good portion of the "CEs" you listed are utter garbage - Curtis Mathis, Sherwood, Memorex? Lots of TV CEs are "utter garbage" too. Does that mean they somehow don't count as TV manufacturers?:confused:

You really think they built everything from the ground up Blu-ray wise? Most are borrowed parts from the big CEs and rebadged. Link??? Prove it. Prove to me that Memorex uses the same design as LG. Or anyone of the multitude of other possible combinations afforded by the plurality of bluray CEs. Otherwise such a comment is "utter garbage".

It's wonderful there are some many brands of players out there but I would never buy a Curtis Mathis or Memorex anything - especially not when I could get a Sony/Panasonic for a bit more. And what does that have to do with anything?:confused: I fail to see how personal preference somehow negates the fact that most bluray players are if fact not rebadges.

You listing them is a joke - I might as well list Venturer, Onkyo, RCA, Integra as well for the HD DVD camp on top of Toshiba, Samsung and LG! Damn...there were a ton of HD DVD Players! Not really. The first LG combo player didn't even have the HD DVD logo on it.:eek: And the combo players are effectively negated since they are....combo players!!

It is known that the XA2/Onkyo/Integra HD DVD players used the source designs from Toshiba.

It is known that the RCA model used the source design from the A1.

It is known that the Venturer models used the source design from the A3.

People have opened them up to prove it. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=943031)

On the contrary, I challenge you to find any sort of similar proof of rebadging amongst the plurality of bluray player CEs. Go ahead...show me how Panasonic and LG use the same design. Or how Sony and Memorex use the same design. You will fail miserably, because the association just will not be there. Therefore, as I have maintained throughout all of the namecalling and accusations, your comments that "most bluray players are rebadges" is incorrect. You made a statement. I asked you to support your statement. So far you have failed to do so. But you have succeeded at calling me names. Good job.

No reason to debate with bt - he is a known Blu-ray troll. Not worth the effort. You'll have to excuse me - I'm going out to buy my Curtis Mathis Blu-ray player!
Troll is as troll does.

HD DVD Software (25 Viewing)
This area covers HD DVD software. If you are not here for HD DVD, move on. Please note this is not the area for hardware chat.

This thread fails on two counts.

No reason to debate with bt - he is a known Blu-ray troll. Not worth the effort. You'll have to excuse me - I'm going out to buy my Curtis Mathis Blu-ray player!Guess what I don't understand is why there is such a thing as a Blu-Ray troll anymore :confused:. As far as I know, BD is the only current HD disc product available -- what's to troll about? If the guy is just making noise for the fun of it, simply deny the fun -- ignore it (perhaps even report it if it harkens to the old war :))!

Troll is as troll does.

You mean me posting in the HD DVD forum discussing HD DVD?

Guess those 200 Blu-ray discs are worthless! Oh well, this thread will soon get locked I'm sure. Thanks trolls!