I've been doing a lot of "research" over the past month and narrowed things down to the 111FD and the 54G10. My viewing distance ranges from 9' to 11' but I think I'm going to go with the 111FD, even though it's 4" smaller (assuming I can get it for $2499 as some have done recently). The general consensus seems to be that the 111FD is better. My question now is: how much longer will they be for sale? How hard will they be to get?

I think they are getting pretty hard to get. I was at ABT Electronics this weekend. They were suppose to get about 30 60" elites in on the 14th and now they said, they aren't sure if they will get that many and they are now back ordered till Mid May.

Man. Not what I was hoping to hear ...

Not much longer, if you are going to jump, then you better do it soon.

the longer u wait the less of a chance ull get to get one.

One of the forum sponsors has quite a bit of 111's in stock. The front page even says that even more are coming next month.

good luck getting your hands on one, id kill to get me one xD
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You better hurry check your local besbuy's you might be sol already at this point.

I've sort of gotten that impression. Before I go and spend atleast $2500 on a TV, I have one more question ... Is the 111FD just that much better than everything else? I've never seen in it in person so the only thing I have to go by are pictures posted on this site. If they weren't sitting right next to each other, would I notice a difference in the 111FD and the G10? Price is essentially the same now so the only other difference besides PQ is size.

WOW!!! i cant believe you are asking that question... look at the davids katsmier comment, (somewhere in this section of the forum.) its been said EVERYWHERE!!!

pioneer elite is the best you can get anywhere in the planet,...

just get it and DONT judge what you see in the store.

you have 30 days to return it to bestbuy if you dont like it what you have to loose? 30 days to try the best tv in the planet if it doesnt satisify you then get the lowest end panasonic plasma that is budget.

im serious if you cant see or apriciate how good an elite it at your home settings and home enviorment then get lowest end budget plasma and your set.

Ha ha ... OK OK. I apologize for asking the question. It's a big purchase for me. It's 1 hope to not be making for a a few years so I want to make sure I get the best possible (which you have definitely said I would be by getting the 111FD).

Another question ... Do you recommend getting a warranty with the 111FD?

I've sort of gotten that impression. Before I go and spend atleast $2500 on a TV, I have one more question ... Is the 111FD just that much better than everything else? I've never seen in it in person so the only thing I have to go by are pictures posted on this site. If they weren't sitting right next to each other, would I notice a difference in the 111FD and the G10? Price is essentially the same now so the only other difference besides PQ is size.

It's noticeably better than the G10 in nearly all ways (assuming everything's properly set up), but you'd be the one buying it, and only you can place a dollar value on that extra performance.

You better hurry check your local besbuy's you might be sol already at this point.

True and not to mention pricing - I think BB's pricing may have gone up too. The price tag I saw for the 111 this past weekend was a lot higher than it had been lately. It's not just the supply game you are playing, but quite possibly a higher pricing risk as the supply dwindles...

Ha ha ... OK OK. I apologize for asking the question. It's a big purchase for me. It's 1 hope to not be making for a a few years so I want to make sure I get the best possible (which you have definitely said I would be by getting the 111FD).

Another question ... Do you recommend getting a warranty with the 111FD?

it comes with a 2 year warranty from pioneer. IF you want an extended warranty thats cool just shop around a little and check out the avs forum sponsors. You can get a mack 3 year add on warranty that would give you coverage for a total of 5 years.

Do not waste your money on an ext warranty from BB though. it is overpriced and gives you only a 4 year coverage.

Well to answer the OP they are getting close to extinct :( Very hard to get your hands on them and even then only a couple. No one can tell me I did not warn them for weeks now :) 151's are next

it comes with a 2 year warranty from pioneer. IF you want an extended warranty thats cool just shop around a little and check out the avs forum sponsors. You can get a mack 3 year add on warranty that would give you coverage for a total of 5 years.

Do not waste your money on an ext warranty from BB though. it is overpriced and gives you only a 4 year coverage.

Thanks. Didn't realize Pioneer offered a 2-Year warranty. How good is the Mack Warranty?

yup that is true my local BB has a few 111's left and a few 151's left. It is a good thing I bought mine as soon as they deliver it will be great.

yup that is true my local BB has a few 111's left and a few 151's left. It is a good thing I bought mine as soon as they deliver it will be great.

:: keeps his fingers crossed that he can land one ::

BB has gone back to MSRP. Forum sponsors running out. Why would anyone wait??? UNLESS THEY WANT TO PAY A PREMIUM, and I'm sure soon enough we will be seeing prices ABOVE MSRP!!!!

BB has gone back to MSRP. Forum sponsors running out. Why would anyone wait??? UNLESS THEY WANT TO PAY A PREMIUM, and I'm sure soon enough we will be seeing prices ABOVE MSRP!!!!

That is true the day after I bought my 151 the price went back up to MSRP. I lucked out :) ;)

BB has gone back to MSRP. Forum sponsors running out. Why would anyone wait??? UNLESS THEY WANT TO PAY A PREMIUM, and I'm sure soon enough we will be seeing prices ABOVE MSRP!!!!

Yep, the Louisville BB has raised the price to $4500...

I spoke to a pioneer rep today and he told me they plan on having all models available for the rest of 2009. he said they have a lot of stock shipping out and the plan is for it to last for the year. he wasn't to sure, it all depends on how fast they sell, but thats they're plan. oh, the manufacturing plant is closing this month also. thats what he told me anyway.

Why is BB selling the 60" elites at full MSRP?:eek:

BB has gone back to MSRP. Forum sponsors running out. Why would anyone wait??? UNLESS THEY WANT TO PAY A PREMIUM, and I'm sure soon enough we will be seeing prices ABOVE MSRP!!!!

Money:(

I spoke to a pioneer rep today and he told me they plan on having all models available for the rest of 2009. he said they have a lot of stock shipping out and the plan is for it to last for the year. he wasn't to sure, it all depends on how fast they sell, but thats they're plan. oh, the manufacturing plant is closing this month also. thats what he told me anyway.

Why is BB selling the 60" elites at full MSRP?:eek:

because they were told to change the price. The people at the store told me that prices have gone up and down ever since they announced that they were leaving the tv business. The sales men did not believe me until they checked my receipt and the computer to see when the price changed.

I know pioneer tells them but why have it at that price though? its definitely not going to sell at that price. on second thought thats a good thing, by the time they have it sale again i'll have enough money to buy:D

I've heard people bought 151's at BB way below the sale price. im talking low. so lucky.

The Kuro Elite 111-FD, 101-FD, 141-FD, and 151-FD are the 4 best flat panel televisions ever made besting ones even from Runco, Fujitsu, and B&O in terms of picture quality. I don't think any LCD or Plasma will ever best them.
In the Future, OLED and SED panels will probably best them eventually, and Professional 1080/24P HR Series Trinitrons Post Production Displays with SMPTE C Phosphors can best the Kuro Elites but at the cost of $43,000 and a 32" screen size. The 1440P Sony 24" GDM-FW900 FD Trinitron and its SGI FD Trinitron counterparts can also rival or even best the Kuro Elites in picture qulaity but at the cost of a FAR FAR smaller screen size. The only other display that can challenge the Kuro Elites are ultra high end 1080P+ CRT Front Projection systems using 9" 3 gun CRTs from the likes of Runco and Barco.

I know pioneer tells them but why have it at that price though? its definitely not going to sell at that price. on second thought thats a good thing, by the time they have it sale again i'll have enough money to buy:D

I've heard people bought 151's at BB way below the sale price. im talking low. so lucky.

yes that is true I got my 151 way below BB sales price. It was a no brainier at the price they offered. I will not list the price due to forum rules.

The Kuro Elite 111-FD, 101-FD, 141-FD, and 151-FD are the 4 best flat panel televisions ever made besting ones even from Runco, Fujitsu, and B&O in terms of picture quality. I don't think any LCD or Plasma will ever best them.
In the Future, OLED and SED panels will probably best them eventually, and Professional 1080/24P HR Series Trinitrons Post Production Displays with SMPTE C Phosphors can best the Kuro Elites but at the cost of $43,000 and a 32" screen size. The 1440P Sony 24" GDM-FW900 FD Trinitron and its SGI FD Trinitron counterparts can also rival or even best the Kuro Elites in picture qulaity but at the cost of a FAR FAR smaller screen size. The only other display that can challenge the Kuro Elites are ultra high end 1080P+ CRT Front Projection systems using 9" 3 gun CRTs from the likes of Runco and Barco.

Yeah and the earth is round, tell us something we dont know:D...im just teasing ya.

Dude i was at BB today and they were playing planet earth on bluray, and holy heavens of the sky the PQ was so perfect! i've seen PE in the pioneer pictures thread but i've never seen it in person. everything was so detailed, crisp, and sharp. and i didn't see any problems you hear about on this forum with this tv. i felt like swiping my credit card right there. i can only imagine how it would look in my home environment.

yes that is true I got my 151 way below BB sales price. It was a no brainier at the price they offered. I will not list the price due to forum rules.

Sending you a PM.

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how will Pioneer honor a 2 year warranty if they stop making TVs this year?

It probably has something to do with the fact that the company itself is not going anywhere for the time being.

It probably has something to do with the fact that the company itself is not going anywhere for the time being.

Well I know that. But how will it back up its TVs if they go bad? Because if they stop making TVs, there will be no replacement TVs or parts, etc.

Well coming from an authorized Pioneer service center. In the past they have usually been pretty good about parts, Recently were able to get replacement video boards for a 5030HD which is like 5-6 years old. I believe that while we wont be able to replace these sets in a few years there will be parts availability.

Well I know that. But how will it back up its TVs if they go bad? Because if they stop making TVs, there will be no replacement TVs or parts, etc.You do realize that manufacturers make spare parts only during the production run of a specific model right? No manufacturer makes spare parts for anything after the model year is over. For example Panasonic isn't going to make parts now for a display they had on the market back in 2004.

You do realize that manufacturers make spare parts only during the production run of a specific model right? No manufacturer makes spare parts for anything after the model year is over. For example Panasonic isn't going to make parts now for a display they had on the market back in 2004.

So is this something I should worry about? Are Pioneer's pretty reliable?

So is this something I should worry about?No.

Are Pioneer's pretty reliable?I never had a Pioneer display die on me and I've been purchasing Pioneer displays since the xx40 series. All all still working perfectly fine with their new owners.

No.

I never had a Pioneer display die on me and I've been purchasing Pioneer displays since the xx40 series. All all still working perfectly fine with their new owners.

That's what I was hoping to hear - now I've just got to find my 111FD!

That's what I was hoping to hear - now I've just got to find my 111FD!

If you can find one, you're going to love it. I received mine a couple of weeks ago. I did the break-in using Dnice's settings. I freaking love this set! I'm playing Dead Space for the PS3 and it looks awesome. I'm totally satisfied with this set. The blacks are amazing. Everytime I see a night-time shot of a city I just shake my head in amazement.:):):)

About 2 months ago my boss (who is a big audio/video aficionado) informed me that 6th ave electronics in NY was selling the 111FD for $2495. That weekend I took my wife to the store. She was not happy with the idea of a second TV in the house (we have a 4 year old 37 inch sharp aquos). The ad has been in the paper for 5 days. When I called them they had 6 sets left. When I got there, there were only 2.

They had 3 different rooms for televisions. One large room for all the plasma TV's, one large room for all the LCD TV's, and one room for the pioneer kuro. As the salesman said "you have the kuro and then there is everything else".

When I got the TV home I ran it through Dnice's settings and the picture looks amazing. You will not find anything that will look as good. Even my wife is a true believer. Even if the price went up by $100 or so, its still an amazing bargin (while you can still find one). Just don't sit on the sideline for to long.

My boss also paired his TV with the top of the line pioneer blu ray (paid close to $2000 for it) and said that the picture looks 3D.

You do realize that manufacturers make spare parts only during the production run of a specific model right? No manufacturer makes spare parts for anything after the model year is over. For example Panasonic isn't going to make parts now for a display they had on the market back in 2004.

Well what about replacement? Granted as you say Pioneer is very reliable, but in the chance that there's a defect that can't be fixed, how will Pioneer back up their warranty if no more TVs are available?

Well what about replacement? Granted as you say Pioneer is very reliable, but in the chance that there's a defect that can't be fixed, how will Pioneer back up their warranty if no more TVs are available?

I think I actually read on this forum somewhere that by law, pioneer have to keep parts of 7 years, so add that up, and you should have parts until 2015-2016, someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Guys, what D-nice is trying to say, or saying, is that the manufacturers order the parts from subcontractors or manufacture them in house during the year that they were selling the sets. That includes parts for sets that will be sold whole as well as extra parts for repair purposes. The parts you may need in the future if there is a problem with your TV are already made and sitting on a shelf in a box in a warehouse somewhere. They (manufacturers) are by law required to make projections of possible future repair rates and manufacture the parts necessary to service the televisions for something like the next 5-7 years before they end the production run.

Well what about replacement? Granted as you say Pioneer is very reliable, but in the chance that there's a defect that can't be fixed, how will Pioneer back up their warranty if no more TVs are available?

they rarely replace the whole tv. they repair/replace the part that is the warranty issue. so they should have enough spare parts available for normal rate issues for the next year or two while the 9g regular and elite/sig models are still under warranty.

if you have an extended warranty that last out to say 5 years then hopefully the part will still be available or they usually have clauses to cover that situation that will replace with a similiar/equal type replacement, or give you a cash % buyout, so it's important to read the clauses in the ext warranty you purchase.

I think I actually read on this forum somewhere that by law, pioneer have to keep parts of 7 years, so add that up, and you should have parts until 2015-2016, someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

i think your right. i believe there is a California consumer protection law that requires companies to stock functional parts for 7 years. A few other states have that type consumer law also.

Thanks guys so much. Another question: Does the Pioneer have any problems with "flicker"?

Also, other than the deeper blacks, what makes it better than the G10?

Do a search (google) and you will find reviews that only praise the TV for its blacks and color reproduction. No flicker on any of the Pioneers. Seriously, no comparison. As much as I can take or leave the reviews by CNET, David K who also recommended buying a Pioneer in a recent article vs. all other 2009 TV's (example the G10) gave it a 10. The 111-FD is the only 10 they have given to a TV and you will find many other reviews with equally high praise. If you can afford it, just do it :)

I've been doing a lot of "research" over the past month and narrowed things down to the 111FD and the 54G10. My viewing distance ranges from 9' to 11' but I think I'm going to go with the 111FD, even though it's 4" smaller (assuming I can get it for $2499 as some have done recently). The general consensus seems to be that the 111FD is better. My question now is: how much longer will they be for sale? How hard will they be to get?

If you're shopping at Best Buy I'd recommend saving $500 and getting the 5020 if they still have them. You don't seem like the kind of guy that would notice a $500 difference between the two, especially since you have never actually seen the 111FD in person. You'll be more than pleased with a 5020 Kuro.

For the forum members worried about WARRANTY ISSUES:

Firstly; YES, PIONEER must stock parts for 7 years!!

Second and more important: It's RARE that a warranty issue comes up with PIONEER ELITES. Yes it does happen but it may be only 1% of owners or less.

Well what about replacement? Granted as you say Pioneer is very reliable, but in the chance that there's a defect that can't be fixed, how will Pioneer back up their warranty if no more TVs are available?Seriously, this is getting silly. Pioneer has an AMPLE supply of part for the Kuros and previous generations of displays. If you are that paranoid about getting a Kuro, purchase another brand and be done with it.

Well what about replacement? Granted as you say Pioneer is very reliable, but in the chance that there's a defect that can't be fixed, how will Pioneer back up their warranty if no more TVs are available?


Cash refund. Buy a kuro and get a warranty. ;)

None of the sponsors appear to have the 111FD anymore. I really need to find this TV in stock!

I was able to order one through Magnolia/BB in the Minneapolis Area... delivery date is early May.

Seriously, this is getting silly. Pioneer has an AMPLE supply of part for the Kuros and previous generations of displays. If you are that paranoid about getting a Kuro, purchase another brand and be done with it.

It's not paranoia. It's called trying to be informed. I'm not in the loop like many of you are. And I'm not familiar with warranty issues/laws as some of members are. Better to be informed when buying than to be surprised down the line should a Kuro break down and require service/replacement, wouldn't you say?

umm hi guys i just want to say as my first post...

my KURO 111FD is being delivered tomorrow (giggling-sorry:)

If you're shopping at Best Buy I'd recommend saving $500 and getting the 5020 if they still have them. You don't seem like the kind of guy that would notice a $500 difference between the two, especially since you have never actually seen the 111FD in person. You'll be more than pleased with a 5020 Kuro.

I originally went to get the 5020. However, I didn't like the way it looked.

I originally went to get the 5020. However, I didn't like the way it looked.

If you didn't like the 5020 you are unlikely to like the 111. It's basically a 5020 with extra picture adjustments.

You've got some balls to spend $2500 on something you've never seen though. Why don't you just buy what looks good to you and be happy? For half the price you could get a 50S1 and I doubt you'd be $1300 happier with the Pioneer.

Or better yet, buy them both and return the Pioneer if it doesn't look a grand better to you. You've been asking questions on which set to buy for months now, we can only do so much. You've just gotta pick one or get them both and keep what you like best.

Can anyone who got a great deal on this TV please PM me?

If you didn't like the 5020 you are unlikely to like the 111. It's basically a 5020 with extra picture adjustments.

You've got some balls to spend $2500 on something you've never seen though. Why don't you just buy what looks good to you and be happy? For half the price you could get a 50S1 and I doubt you'd be $1300 happier with the Pioneer.

Or better yet, buy them both and return the Pioneer if it doesn't look a grand better to you. You've been asking questions on which set to buy for months now, we can only do so much. You've just gotta pick one or get them both and keep what you like best.

I know I've been asking questions for about a month and a half now - I wish I could just pick something but I'm the type person that has to research things thoroughly before making a decision ...

That being said, what I meant with the not liking the way the 5020 looked was that I didn't like how the speaker was underneath it. I will likely take the speaker off so I don't like how the bottom of the bezel will be so far off the ground. I prefer the 111 where I can take the two side speakers off.

I'm so close to purchasing the 111FD. I've read posts, reviews, etc for months about it. My other option is the 54G10. I'm guessing that it will be around $2000 in stores and I wonder if I'm going to notice a $500 difference in the 111. Also, my viewing distance is 9'-11' and I wonder if that should be taken into account. Man, I wish I could just afford the 151!

Anyways, I'm not a videophile but I do want the best I can get.

Can anyone who got a great deal on this TV please PM me?

+1, assuming that post is allowed.

None of the sponsors appear to have the 111FD anymore. I really need to find this TV in stock!

Well they are very bad now in terms of stock its hit and miss, might want to consider the Signature 101 for similar price but no stand and speakers. But they are around.

Well I got a 111FD! The price was just too good to pass up. It should come in Saturday/Sunday and then I'll begin the "breaking in" process. I appreciate everyone's help and I look forward to my new TV!!

I just got my 111 from a local home theater store. They are almost non existent. The word on the street from pioneer is that they are definitely shipping out 101's and 151's, but the 111's are going to be very rare. I know that best buy is selling their stock for $2799 a piece and offering free calibration.

Guys, what D-nice is trying to say, or saying, is that the manufacturers order the parts from subcontractors or manufacture them in house during the year that they were selling the sets. That includes parts for sets that will be sold whole as well as extra parts for repair purposes. The parts you may need in the future if there is a problem with your TV are already made and sitting on a shelf in a box in a warehouse somewhere. They (manufacturers) are by law required to make projections of possible future repair rates and manufacture the parts necessary to service the televisions for something like the next 5-7 years before they end the production run.

Unless they go bankrupt. In which case all bets are off. Pioneer going bankrupt is a very real possibility. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

Buying is a risk. Be aware of that. I just purchased a 141,so you could say I took that risk. The odds are very favorable, but there is still a very real possibility that Pio will not be here in less than a year. If someone buys them, you may be covered, but that is not a sure bet.

All the consumer protection laws in the world will mean nothing if they go bankrupt. They are exempt at that point.

I just got my 111 from a local home theater store. They are almost non existent. The word on the street from pioneer is that they are definitely shipping out 101's and 151's, but the 111's are going to be very rare. I know that best buy is selling their stock for $2799 a piece and offering free calibration.

Would I be better off with D-Nice's settings?

Unless they go bankrupt. In which case all bets are off. Pioneer going bankrupt is a very real possibility. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

Buying is a risk. Be aware of that. I just purchased a 141,so you could say I took that risk. The odds are very favorable, but there is still a very real possibility that Pio will not be here in less than a year. If someone buys them, you may be covered, but that is not a sure bet.

All the consumer protection laws in the world will mean nothing if they go bankrupt. They are exempt at that point.

I was worried about that and almost purchased a another model tv but I went with the 151 and got a 4 year extended warranty so I guess a extended warranty is worth it.

Would I be better off with D-Nice's settings?

I wouldn't let anyone from Best Buy anywhere near my TV. I would only trust calibrators known here on AVS. So for the time being, if you are not getting it calibrated, I would go with the D-Nice settings. But be aware that you have to do the break-in according to D-Nice recommendations to get as close to accuracy as possible.

Originally Posted by stevec325
Unless they go bankrupt. In which case all bets are off. Pioneer going bankrupt is a very real possibility. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

Buying is a risk. Be aware of that. I just purchased a 141,so you could say I took that risk. The odds are very favorable, but there is still a very real possibility that Pio will not be here in less than a year. If someone buys them, you may be covered, but that is not a sure bet.

All the consumer protection laws in the world will mean nothing if they go bankrupt. They are exempt at that point.

I was worried about that and almost purchased a another model tv but I went with the 151 and got a 4 year extended warranty so I guess a extended warranty is worth it.

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If PIONEER goes bankrupt (doubtful but possible in this economy) what good is an extended warranty going to do???????????? There won't be any parts . So what will the backer of the extended warranty do for you???? If it's BB, they probably wouldn't even give you back the value of the 151 PRO rata. Most likely they will give you back the price of the extended warranty.

Originally Posted by stevec325
Unless they go bankrupt. In which case all bets are off. Pioneer going bankrupt is a very real possibility. Anyone who believes otherwise is fooling themselves.

Buying is a risk. Be aware of that. I just purchased a 141,so you could say I took that risk. The odds are very favorable, but there is still a very real possibility that Pio will not be here in less than a year. If someone buys them, you may be covered, but that is not a sure bet.

All the consumer protection laws in the world will mean nothing if they go bankrupt. They are exempt at that point.

I was worried about that and almost purchased a another model tv but I went with the 151 and got a 4 year extended warranty so I guess a extended warranty is worth it.

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If PIONEER goes bankrupt (doubtful but possible in this economy) what good is an extended warranty going to do???????????? There won't be any parts . So what will the backer of the extended warranty do for you???? If it's BB, they probably wouldn't even give you back the value of the 151 PRO rata. Most likely they will give you back the price of the extended warranty.

Nope they told me if the tv breaks and they cant get parts they will give me the full purchase price back on a gift card. I have had good experiences with BB warranty.

when did BB begin selling Pioneer elite models? Did you purchase from BB or from Magnolia?

when did BB begin selling Pioneer elite models? Did you purchase from BB or from Magnolia?
I bought from BB which has Magnolia inside.

My Pro-111FD is now on my stand, replacing my Panny! Now, all I have to do is figure out the annoying 24p problem I am having with my BD35 (can't enable it).

BTW, it looks 10x as amazing as my TH42PZ700u, which was still very good...

:: keeps his fingers crossed that he can land one ::

mine has 100 in the warehouse but they raised the price

I'm thinking of canceling my 111. Originally I bought a 5020 and it had 2 dead pixels, so when I returned I saw they had lowered the 111's to $2,400 So I just paid $400 more for the difference. I have been delaying delivery because I felt that the 5020 was too small and I'm waiting to see if I can get a 151 for a lower price than what they told me. I sold my projector in which I had it set at 100" so the 5020 seems to small for me now.

$2400 for a 111FD!? Where?

I've been searching for a deal on this TV. I will buy if it's under $2700.

Anybody know where PM me. Please. :)

50"

I just came back from my local Magnolia store and had them check the computer to see what the stock was like on these. Answer: 72 left at the warehouse. The BB guy told me that would "most likely" not receive anymore 111's after those were gone.

The answer is they might be out there but Pioneer is not shipping anymore and once the small qtys are gone that would be it.

Has anyone seen the 101 at bb magnolia. I have gift cards I would like to use.

Has anyone seen the 101 at bb magnolia. I have gift cards I would like to use.

I've seen em at our local BBs in Columbia MD.

What are all your thoughts on the 500m

If you don't need the tuner, and can't afford or don't want to pay for an Elite, I would definitely recommend the 500M. The only drawback I see is the lack of ISF modes.

I have one and I love it...

What are all your thoughts on the 500m
The black levels are so deep on my 500M, that letterbox bars perfectly blend into the bezel at night with the lights off. The colors are rich and vibrant, and the whites are white and bright.

It's kind of a cost thing.
And not really needing a new tv at the moment but I do want the best picture possible. That I can afford.

ordered a 111FD at BB tonight.. :)