Here are some Blu-ray shots of Batman Begins. These blacks are Kuro quality for those who prefer LCD!

Here are some Blu-ray shots of Batman Begins. These blacks are Kuro quality without Plasma Blur!


Does this set really retail for $12k? That's totally insane.:eek:

Does this set really retail for $12k? That's totally insane.:eek:

Yes, I paid MUCH less than that for it. I paid less than the XB8 for this set.

FROM A RECENT NO SO GOOD REVIEW.....EXCELLENT BLACKS BUT A HOST OF OTHER PROBLEMS

Black levels and shadow detail were also excellent if a bit short of the best I’ve seen. Details in dark scenes didn’t pop quite as impressively as they do with the current state-of-the-art Pioneer plasmas I’ve reviewed. Also, fades to black weren’t as deep as they are on Sony’s XBR8 local-dimming LCD sets. On some material, when a mostly dark or completely black scene followed a lighter one, the blacks were initially mid-gray. They took a second or two to dim to a deeper black. But this wasn’t common, and overall I don’t think anyone will be disappointed with this set’s rich blacks and impressive contrast.

At one point, I saw a flickering blue discoloration in one corner of the screen—likely an unstable LED. But it cleared when I turned the Sharp off and then on again. That’s the only time this occurred in the 30-plus hours I spent with this set.

One of the most nagging problems with LCDs is the way their performance degrades as you move off axis. The image begins to fade noticeably at angles as small as 10 or 20 degrees (depending on the set and the viewer). It continues to wash out gradually as you move farther to the sides, until all you see at an extreme angle are pale pastel colors. Unfortunately, the LC-52XS1U-S also has this problem. While you can check this in a store demo, be aware that the ultra-bright settings in retail showrooms tend to minimize its visibility.

It only failed the moiré tests in chapters 7 and 8 of Mission: Impossible III on Blu-ray (the Vatican’s brick wall and staircase). This indicates that movies at 1080i will show artifacts from time to time.
When I finally set up my calibration gear, I got a puzzling surprise. As I suspected from my initial look at the set, the Low setting of the Color Temp control was a bit high (tinted toward blue). It hovered at around 7000K across most of the brightness range rather than the 6500K/D6500 target. It rose even higher at low brightness levels.

But when I tried to tweak the results with the set’s red, green, and blue white-balance controls, I found that they had little effect. When I turned the blue control to its minimum setting (–30, with an overall range of –30 to +30), the color temp dropped only slightly. The red and green controls either had no effect or, at some settings, threw off the color temperature even more.

Sharp suspected a defective AVC and sent me another sample to use with the same panel. But the new one was worse than the first. At its Low Color Temp setting, the measurements approached 8000K at peak white (100 IRE). Also like the first box, the white-balance controls had minimal effect. The other fixed Color Temp settings were even worse, rising to a ridiculous 35,000K on High.

I quickly went back to the original controller. The best result I could get (shown in the measurement section) isn’t terrible, but we’ve done much better than this with a number of far cheaper sets.

The average viewer will likely be delighted with practically every aspect of this set’s performance, even the color. But while the off-axis viewing angle may simply be an intractable issue with LCDs for the present, I can’t gloss over the fact that the lowest color temperature setting was well removed from the D6500 standard. I also can’t ignore the lack of usable color adjustments, the differences in the two controller boxes Sharp sent me, or the oversaturated color gamut in either of the available options.

I can forgive these shortcomings (to a degree) in a popularly priced set. But for $12,000, a buyer deserves a set that can be made as accurate as the state of the art allows. I didn’t see that here. Until I do, in spite of the many things I appreciate about its image quality, I can’t recommend the Sharp LC-52XS1U-S.

I gotta agree that sharp is overpriced to say the least.. The bad color accuracy kills it out the gate.

Can you guys please keep those comments in the other threads?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1070541&highlight=xs1u

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1055483&highlight=52xs1u

I would like to just enjoy the pics from an actual owner.

Thank you.

Great pics CMPMERIDAN! Keep em comin'. :)

Here are some Blu-ray shots of Batman Begins. These blacks are Kuro quality without Plasma Blur!
There is no such thing as Plasma Blur. LCD's...now we all know about the blur there.

Also, if you're going to take photos for the purposes of bragging...take better ones.

Why has the OP started a second thread on the same topic? Is he going to start a new thread, each time he takes some new pictures?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1141069

There is no such thing as Plasma Blur. LCD's...now we all know about the blur there.

Also, if you're going to take photos for the purposes of bragging...take better ones.

http://ces.cnet.com/1801-19505-50004980.html?tag=contentBody;tv

Check out Katzmaiers video. Notice at around the 23 second mark when the onscreen content of "THX Certified Display" zooms in on the screen. There are yellow and blue trails. This artifact is demonstrated in other pans and zooms in this video. This is the "plasma blur" CMPMERIDIAN is referring to. Kinda interesting since the linked video is the full 1080p motion resolution packing PDP... but it is a PDP though.

Why has the OP started a second thread on the same topic? Is he going to start a new thread, each time he takes some new pictures?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1141069
...and they all look bad. A startling contrast between his photos and the ones in either the Kuro, Panasonic, or Samsung plasma picture threads.

The OP should sell that display. Buy either a Kuro, Panasonic plasma, or Sony/Samsung LED LCD. Then, use the remaining money for a better camera and a tripod.

Does this set really retail for $12k? That's totally insane.:eek:

Absolutely! I think The Joker was setting the prices for Sharp! You could easily buy TWO 60" KURO Elite sets for that price!!! :eek:

...and they all look bad. A startling contrast between his photos and the ones in either the Kuro, Panasonic, or Samsung plasma picture threads.

The OP should sell that display. Buy either a Kuro, Panasonic plasma, or Sony/Samsung LED LCD. Then, use the remaining money for a better camera and a tripod.

Don't be such a hater. ;)

http://ces.cnet.com/1801-19505-50004980.html?tag=contentBody;tv

Check out Katzmaiers video. Notice at around the 23 second mark when the onscreen content of "THX Certified Display" zooms in on the screen. There are yellow and blue trails. This artifact is demonstrated in other pans and zooms in this video. This is the "plasma blur" CMPMERIDIAN is referring to. Kinda interesting since the linked video is the full 1080p motion resolution packing PDP... but it is a PDP though.


actually no I didn't see any phospher tails........... but in any case its not blur

...and they all look bad. A startling contrast between his photos and the ones in either the Kuro, Panasonic, or Samsung plasma picture threads.

The OP should sell that display. Buy either a Kuro, Panasonic plasma, or Sony/Samsung LED LCD. Then, use the remaining money for a better camera and a tripod.


Enjoy your DLP that went out with Tube sets. Sorry you are jeolous and I feel sorry for anyone owning a Samsung DLP.

Enjoy your POS DLP that went out with Tube sets. Sorry you are jeolous and I feel sorry for anyone owning a Smasung DLP.
:rolleyes: No reason to feel sorry for me.

actually no I didn't see any phospher tails........... but in any case its not blur


Call it what you want but it makes the Pioneer Elite unwatchable for me. If you do not see Phosoher Tails (blury image that causes migrain headaches, then plasmas are great for you)

I gotta agree that sharp is overpriced to say the least.. The bad color accuracy kills it out the gate.

I agree no display is worth $12,000, color accuracy has not been a problem for my set.

Call it what you want but it makes the Pioneer Elite unwatchable for me. If you do not see Phosoher Tails (blury image that causes migrain headaches, then plasmas are great for you)
So, you instead went with a technology plagued by motion blur? :rolleyes:

So, you instead went with a technology plagued by motion blur? :rolleyes:

The 120 HZ motion is smoother to my eyes than the plasma. The trail that I saw in the plasma made it unwatchable for me. If this is not something someone else see's then a plasma is a great choice. I am not a hater on any display just because I dont own it like so many on this site.

Also, if you're going to take photos for the purposes of bragging...take better ones.[/QUOTE]


I never claimed to be photographer, if you cant see the black levels, stop using your DLP for as monitor

in before the lock! :D

The 120 HZ motion is smoother to my eyes than the plasma. The trail that I saw in the plasma made it unwatchable for me. If this is not something someone else see's then a plasma is a great choice. I am not a hater on any display just because I dont own it like so many on this site.
You are making film smoother...more video like.

The black levels are not at Kuro level.

You are making film smoother...more video like.

If you do not see the color trails on a plasma that is great, for people who do, plasmas are not watchable. Is this so hard for you to undertand? Plasmas are going to be as obsolete as DLP'S. Are LCD'S perfect, no but they closed the doors of the Pioneer TV manuafacturing for good!

If you do not see the color trails on a plasma that is great, for people who do, plasmas are not watchable. Is this so hard for you to undertand? Plasmas are going to be as obsolete as DLP'S. Are LCD'S perfect, no but they closed the doors of the Pioneer TV manuafacturing for good!
Then let's hope that Panasonic and Samsung continue improving their plasma tech. The only viable option outside of that are the LED LCD for improved black levels, but you still have poor motion handling with those.

The black levels are not at Kuro level.[/QUOTE]

FROM SOUND & VISION

PERFORMANCE
After setting up the Sharp alongside a first-generation Pioneer Kuro plasma and feeding both TVs the same signal through an HDMI splitter, I began my viewing with Close Encounters of the Third Kind on HDNet. The Sharp delivered an incredibly impressive picture that compared favorably with the Pioneer.

Blacks were noticeably deeper on the Sharp with both sets tuned to deliver the same level of shadow detail. In a scene showing a blackout overtaking a town, a low-angle shot of a tall McDonald's sign accurately reproduced the familiar red and yellow colors with essentially total blackness behind the sign. The edges of the black letterbox bars above and below the film's widescreen image were virtually undetectable from night sky when viewed from 8 feet away, and both the bars and the sky were noticeably darker than on the Pioneer.

Another scene shows a neighborhood viewed from a hillside as the house lights go out block by block. The starry sky here made for another staggering demonstration of the Sharp's excellent black levels and picture contrast. It again blended perfectly with the letterbox bars, and the white and red speckles representing stars looked more convincing and stood in greater relief against the black than on the Pioneer.





Sorry, I cannot fix you DLP:)

FROM SOUND & VISION

PERFORMANCE
After setting up the Sharp alongside a first-generation Pioneer Kuro plasma and feeding both TVs the same signal through an HDMI splitter, I began my viewing with Close Encounters of the Third Kind on HDNet. The Sharp delivered an incredibly impressive picture that compared favorably with the Pioneer.

Blacks were noticeably deeper on the Sharp with both sets tuned to deliver the same level of shadow detail. In a scene showing a blackout overtaking a town, a low-angle shot of a tall McDonald's sign accurately reproduced the familiar red and yellow colors with essentially total blackness behind the sign. The edges of the black letterbox bars above and below the film's widescreen image were virtually undetectable from night sky when viewed from 8 feet away, and both the bars and the sky were noticeably darker than on the Pioneer.

Another scene shows a neighborhood viewed from a hillside as the house lights go out block by block. The starry sky here made for another staggering demonstration of the Sharp's excellent black levels and picture contrast. It again blended perfectly with the letterbox bars, and the white and red speckles representing stars looked more convincing and stood in greater relief against the black than on the Pioneer.





Sorry, I cannot fix you DLP:)
Oh my...you didn't bother to read the entire review did you?


After setting up the Sharp alongside a first-generation Pioneer Kuro plasma and feeding both TVs (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/3061/sharp-lc-52xs1u-s-52-inch-led-lcd-hdtv-performance-page2.html#) the same signal through an HDMI splitter, I began my viewing with Close Encounters of the Third Kind on HDNet. The Sharp delivered an incredibly impressive picture (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/3061/sharp-lc-52xs1u-s-52-inch-led-lcd-hdtv-performance-page2.html#) that compared favorably with the Pioneer.

If you do not see the color trails on a plasma that is great, for people who do, plasmas are not watchable. Is this so hard for you to undertand? Plasmas are going to be as obsolete as DLP'S. Are LCD'S perfect, no but they closed the doors of the Pioneer TV manuafacturing for good!

I am puzzled as to what your reasons are for starting two threads about your new Sharp LCD display, on the General Flat Panel forum.

I am happy for you that you found a set that is pleasing to you, and that should satisfy you. I wish you all the best of good luck, and many years of pleasurable viewing.

I notice that you posted a thread about it on the LCD forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16315649&highlight=#post16315649

Where it actually belongs. Now I see you over here engaging in all kinds of silly back and forths about Plasma versus your LCD unit.

It appears that is the only reason that you decided to start two threads, within a 24 hour period, about your LCD purchase, on this forum.

You are starting to come across like someone who is not as satisfied with your new purchase, as you are claiming.

Enjoy your new set, and discuss it on the LCD forum. That is what that forum was set up to facilitate.

I don't care, and I doubt if many others do, if your set performs better or worse than a Pioneer Kuro.

Kuro's are too expensive for most people, and your Sharp LCD cost more than twice what people could purchase a larger Kuro Elite panel for.

You got a bargin, if what you claim is true, but that is meaningless for all others who would have to deal with paying more that $10K for to get one.

Good luck with your purchase, and kindly knock of all the nonsense. You own an expensive LCD. It suits your needs, so leave it at that.

I am puzzled as to what your reasons are for starting two threads about your new Sharp LCD display, on the General Flat Panel forum.

I am happy for you that you found a set that is pleasing to you, and that should satisfy you. I wish you all the best of good luck, and many years of pleasurable viewing.

I notice that you posted a thread about it on the LCD forum:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16315649&highlight=#post16315649

Where it actually belongs. Now I see you over here engaging in all kinds of silly back and forths about Plasma versus your LCD unit.
It appears that is the only reason that you decided to start two threads, within a 24 hour period, about your LCD purchase, on this forum.

You are starting to come across like someone who is not as satisfied with your new purchase, as you are claiming.

Enjoy your new set, and discuss it on the LCD forum. That is what that forum was set up to facilitate.

I don't care, and I doubt if many others do, if your set performs better or worse than a Pioneer Kuro.

Kuro's are too expensive for most people, and your Sharp LCD cost more than twice what people could purchase a larger Kuro Elite panel for.

You got a bargin, if what you claim is true, but that is meaningless for all others who would have to deal with paying more that $10K for to get one.

Good luck with your purchase, and kindly knock of all the nonsense. You own an expensive LCD. It suits your needs, so leave it at that.

I am puzzled why you care so much about me posting one or two post. It is clear that you have nothing better to do with you time as you spent 5 minutes saying nothing. If you spent more time minding your own business and more time reading you would see this thread is for "New FP Tech". If your slow, FP means Flat Panel.

Yes, I paid MUCH less than that for it. I paid less than the XB8 for this set.

Why are they discounting it so much? That MSRP is totally ridiculous.

I am puzzled why you care so much about me posting one or two post. It is clear that you have nothing better to do with you time as you spent 5 minutes saying nothing.

OK. I have your number now. You are one of those overcompensating jerks who needs a get a lot of attention for what ever expensive items they purchased. Carry on.

OK. I have your number now. You are one of those overcompensating jerks who needs a get a lot of attention for what ever expensive items they purchased. Carry on.

You are a real Class Act!

Why are they discounting it so much? That MSRP is totally ridiculous.

He probably paid much more for it than he is willing to admit. He could not make the case for how great it is, compared to the Kuro Elite, if the true retail prices were compared.

He came over to this forum, and started two threads, in addition to the one he had already opened on the LCD forum, with the intention of stirring up a stupid fight.

Three threads, about one set that he purchased, tells you all you need to know about his raging complex.:)

He claims that this display equals or beats Kuro black levels based on a review. The problem is that he didn't actually read the entire review. Had he...he would have noticed this:


After setting up the Sharp alongside a first-generation Pioneer Kuro plasma and feeding both TVs (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/3061/sharp-lc-52xs1u-s-52-inch-led-lcd-hdtv-performance-page2.html#) the same signal through an HDMI splitter, I began my viewing with Close Encounters of the Third Kind on HDNet. The Sharp delivered an incredibly impressive picture (http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/hdtvs/3061/sharp-lc-52xs1u-s-52-inch-led-lcd-hdtv-performance-page2.html#) that compared favorably with the Pioneer.

There is no such thing as Plasma Blur. LCD's...now we all know about the blur there.

not true, pdp retains some sample and hold effect though its not as bad as most lcds. thats changing in lcds favor with bfi/bls + mcfi (coupled with fast pixel response times via blue-phase for example)

only viable option outside of that are the LED LCD for improved black levels, but you still have poor motion handling with those.

some led lcds have and will continue to surpass other displays in motion handling for the reasons mentioned above. be prepared for many reviews in the future mentioning this.

not true, pdp retains some sample and hold effect though its not as bad as most lcds. thats changing in lcds favor with bfi/bls + mcfi (coupled with fast pixel response times via blue-phase for example)



led lcds have and will continue to surpass other displays in motion handling for the reasons mentioned above. be prepared for many reviews in the future mentioning this.
I don't believe that they have yet IMO, but are getting closer. I honestly hope so.

He claims that this display equals or beats Kuro black levels based on a review. The problem is that he didn't actually read the entire review. Had he...he would have noticed this:

"first generation Kuro". He likes to set up strawman comparisons. The first Generation Kuro black levels is a stupid comparison, since the second generation Kuro panels have vastly superior black levels to the first generation units.

Tell him what he is dying to hear. Tell him that he is the smartest person in the whole wide world, and he purchased the best TV that ever was or ever will be.

Call it what you want but it makes the Pioneer Elite unwatchable for me. If you do not see Phosoher Tails (blury image that causes migrain headaches, then plasmas are great for you)

Now plasmas cause migraine headaches? I'll have to add that one to the list of LOLs along with plasma recharge and $100 monthly electric bills.

I find it funny that the same poster who not even two weeks ago talked about how "lousy" LCDs are went out and bought the most expensive 52" LCD on planet Earth.

:D

I find it funny that the same poster who not even two weeks ago talked about how "lousy" LCDs are went out and bought the most expensive 52" LCD on planet Earth.

:DDid he? Haha...very funny.

My oh my...he did:

Yes, get an LCD if your a Green Geek who likes lousy blacks and poor motion.

well its clear that he came here to start some trouble,as evidence by his snide remarks about plasma and Kuro in the original post.........it appears that most everyone here can see through his childish antics
where will he post next,on the plasma forum?
what you have sir is an overpriced LCD tv that suffers from terrible off axis viewing,color accuracy problems,1080I artifacts,flickering, blue push and MOTION BLUR

He claims that this display equals or beats Kuro black levels based on a review. The problem is that he didn't actually read the entire review. Had he...he would have noticed this:

Why dont you go back to your DLP site and this section of the forum is for people who wan to contiribute with knowlege or useful perspective. All you can do is call names and stick you nose where is does not belong.

I find it funny that the same poster who not even two weeks ago talked about how "lousy" LCDs are went out and bought the most expensive 52" LCD on planet Earth.

:D Find a qoute where I ever stated back-lit LED LCD'S suck. You need to learn to read.

Did he? Haha...very funny.

My oh my...he did: This was in reference to the new Side Lit LED from Samsung. If you had a life you would learn to read. You Fools can't handle the truth about your lousy DLP and dinasor plasma's. I would vever by a LCD for anything other than picture quality, Yes anyone who buys a LCD for the $3 bucks a month they save on electric is foolish.

Find a qoute where I ever stated back-lit LED LCD'S suck. You need to learn to read.

LED backlit LCDs are still LCDs. You need to learn to write.

Why dont you go back to your DLP site and this section of the forum is for people who wan to contiribute with knowlege or useful perspective. All you can do is call names and stick you nose where is does not belong.
If I called you a name I apologize, but I don't believe that I have.

Dear God people seriously. He is excited about his new TV, took some pictures and look what this has turned into.. Can't someone enjoy their TV without constantly being ripped?

Post more pics, I am curious to see more of this set.

Thanks.

Dear God people seriously. He is excited about his new TV, took some pictures and look what this has turned into.. Can't someone enjoy their TV without constantly being ripped?

Some people use this forum to attack people, they do not share the love of the hobby. I love the fact that there are DLP for $1,500 for a guy who has a dark room and needs a 73" and Plasma for someone who is not effected by the motion problems and LED back-lit sets for the people who prefer this technology. I respect and love the hobby and if someone spent $15K or $500 on their set, if they love the hobby and have an honest opinion, others should respect a different opinion. This site should be opened to all opinions.

I have learned about issues that each type of display has and chosen what I can best live with, others should do the same. No display is perfect and they all offer this or that better than the other, that is what makes this hobby enjoyable, it is constantly changing and improving.

Some people use this forum to attack people, they do not share the love of the hobby.

Yeah... love of the hobby....

"These blacks are Kuro quality without Plasma Blur!"

No flame bait there? You posted an LCD pics thread in the FP Tech forum with some plasma flame bait then act like you don't understand the negative attention.

If you wanted to show your pics you would have made a thread in the LCD section and been done with it.

Some people use this forum to attack people, they do not share the love of the hobby. I love the fact that there are DLP for $1,500 for a guy who has a dark room and needs a 73" and Plasma for someone who is not effected by the motion problems and LED back-lit sets for the people who prefer this technology. I respect and love the hobby and if someone spent $15K or $500 on their set, if they love the hobby and have an honest opinion, others should respect a different opinion. This site should be opened to all opinions.

I have learned about issues that each type of display has and chosen what I can best live with, others should do the same. No display is perfect and they all offer this or that better than the other, that is what makes this hobby enjoyable, it is constantly changing and improving.

You need to have a chat with the guy who wrote the following, just a few hours ago.

This was in reference to the new Side Lit LED from Samsung. If you had a life you would learn to read. You Fools can't handle the truth about your lousy DLP and dinasor plasma's. I would vever by a LCD for anything other than picture quality, Yes anyone who buys a LCD for the $3 bucks a month they save on electric is foolish.

You need to have a chat with the guy who wrote the following, just a few hours ago.

Look at the attacks I took and was sucked into by you guys who started the attacks. I only posted a couple of photos and the attacks started from people who do not even own flat panels sets. This is the most hostile forum, Anyone could see your attacks and accusations, calling me a liar and other names.

People who can not conduct themselves like humans should not post. I will not let members drag me into the mud with the mud slinging in the future, it is not worth my energy.

This photo will prove that your accusations of what I paid are false.

Yeah... love of the hobby....

"These blacks are Kuro quality without Plasma Blur!"


If you wanted to show your pics you would have made a thread in the LCD section and been done with it.

Plasma Blur is only seen by a small portion of the public. If you are not effected by this effect than plasma's are a great choice. And this is not the first time I have said this. I have modified this statement the post so I do not addend plasma owners. If I did not see the Plasma Lag I would still have the Pioneer Pro-111. If someone cannot see this effect, a plasma has great
blacks and would be a great choice.

This thread is for all Flat Panels.

Look at the attacks I took and was sucked into by you guys who started the attacks. I only posted a couple of photos and the attacks started from people who do not even own flat panels sets. This is the most hostile forum, Anyone could see your attacks and accusations, calling me a liar and other names.

People who can not conduct themselves like humans should not post. I will not let members drag me into the mud with the mud slinging in the future, it is not worth my energy..

You are such a hypocrite. You are the last one who should be whining about hostility.

On 4-20-09 you posted the following comment on the LCD forum.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16307406&highlight=#post16307406


"Good because your opinions have no place on the post. They add no value and are clearly from someone who owns a Plasma. Enjoy your Plasma and please give the whole truth. If you had any brains about video displays you would know a simple calibration can set any sets color temperature. Sorry that your amature experience with video displays and biased for Plasma's was exposed. You have never even seen this display and you have no value to add to the people on this forum. Don't be be a hater because you cannot afford a display of the quality and be happy that Plasma's are being blown out because LED LCD is the new king of video displays.
Last edited by CMPMERIDIAN; 04-20-09 at 08:15 PM.."


Those are your "hostile" words, and scornful remarks about other display types, so you are a complete fraud.
You just would love to be able to attack anyone or any other type of display technology,with impunity. You do not like when people give you a dose of your own medicine.

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You have no life, I have been sucked into battles with people with little knowledge of what they are talking about or defending what they purchased and responded in kind. You have to look for other battles I have had with people on the forum just like you. Look at the start of any post i have made I only gave 1st hand opinion that someone like you attacked and I foolishly let get my goat. This forum has to many people looking to attack and not very many people with the ability to offer advise or share experiences. You are a pro at starting trouble on this forum, this is not your 1st time. Please go back to the DLP forum as you own or have any value to add to a Flat Panel thread, only to start trouble.

You have 8 post on this thread alone, each one causing trouble calling names or just trying to talk about something that you have no knowledge about. I do not have to search the archives, they are all here in the last 2 pages for any one to read.

I have been sucked into battles with people

it is easy to do. offering counterpoints easily gets you polarized (especially in subjective matters). there is no neutral ground to lay your hat in this forum. get pushed into defending one side and you might officially graduate to fanboy status without being one. humans are often "clannish" which is a good survival tactic according to evolutionary psycology (includes me)

but if you think about it this is a TV forum (entertainment). i'd hate to debate politics or religion - you know, stuff that actually affects people's lives :p

it is easy to do. offering counterpoints easily gets you polarized (especially in subjective matters). there is no neutral ground to lay your hat in this forum. get pushed into defending one side and you might officially graduate to fanboy status without being one. humans are often "clannish" which is a good survival tactic according to evolutionary psycology (includes me)

but if you think about it this is a TV forum (entertainment). i'd hate to debate politics or religion - you know, stuff that actually affects people's lives :p

I agree, I never offered a debate. I only offered a couple of screen shots of a set that is rare to find. Yes I have an opinion, and debate is good, but most people on this site just suck you into a full on battle.

Quote:
Originally Posted by CMPMERIDIAN
Here are some Blu-ray shots of Batman Begins. These blacks are Kuro quality without Plasma Blur!




I see you edited your original post to exclude the "without the plasma blur" statement
I'm glad you came to your senses
enjoy your new tv

I see you edited your original post to exclude the "without the plasma blur" statement
I'm glad you came to your senses
enjoy your new tv

We all make mistakes.

please stop the bickering

I think the point to be made is that the sharp is a nice LCD.
Just like the 950 and XBR8, its gets LCD closer to plasma performance.
Which is the whole point of LEd backlighting, motion enhansers, etc.
Is it overpriced? heck yes.

Is it going to give you 9g kuro blacks and PQ? No.
Thats obvious.

But that doesn't mean its not a nice set for an LCD.

I think the point to be made is that the sharp is a nice LCD.
Just like the 950 and XBR8, its gets LCD closer to plasma performance.
Which is the whole point of LEd backlighting, motion enhansers, etc.
Is it overpriced? heck yes.
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LED LCD is great for people we see Phosphor Trailing with plasma. I know that LCD technolgy is not perfect and has issues, but those who see phosphor trailing know it is far worse than the problems LCD presents. If you cannot see phosphor trailing it is a non-issue.

LED LCD gets us about 90-95 % plasma blacks with the major downfall being off angle viewing, but some of us have no choice.

Check out this photo, blacks are very good.

LED LCD is great for people we see Phosphor Trailing with plasma. I know that LCD technolgy is not perfect and has issues, but those who see phosphor trailing know it is far worse than the problems LCD presents. If you cannot see phosphor trailing it is a non-issue.

LED LCD gets us about 90-95 % plasma blacks with the major downfall being off angle viewing, but some of us have no choice.

I know what you mean I bought a Samsung 120 Hz LCD set and just couldn't stand the flashlighting issues so I returned it (actually 3 of them) for a Sony the flashlighting was not as bad but the motion blur and soap opera effect was horrible(at least to me) so I went to plasma
I have never seen a phosphor trails on my G10 and I was one of those who saw rainbows on DLP but then again I don't game on my Panny...so to each his own
good luck with your tv

) so I went to plasma
I have never seen a phosphor trails on my G10 and I was one of those who saw rainbows on DLP but then again I don't game on my Panny...so to each his own
good luck with your tv

I have not tried to watch a G10 for a long period, they look great in the store, my understanding is that phosphor trailing is worse with Pioneer. I to had a Loewe DLP, the best DLP I have ever seen except when I moved eye the dreaded rainbows appeared.

I have not tried to watch a G10 for a long period, they look great in the store, my understanding is that phosphor trailing is worse with Pioneer. I to had a Loewe DLP, the best DLP I have ever seen except when I moved eye the dreaded rainbows appeared.

Yes, I've checked out the G10 and it is an improvment over the Pioneer regarding phosphor trialing (yellow/blue). However, the issue is still there (if you are capable of observing it). :o Also, side by side (S1 and 5020), the 5020 flickers more... analogous to 50Hz vs 60Hz (dont take this literly).

LED LCD is great for people we see Phosphor Trailing with plasma. I know that LCD technolgy is not perfect and has issues, but those who see phosphor trailing know it is far worse than the problems LCD presents. If you cannot see phosphor trailing it is a non-issue.

LED LCD gets us about 90-95 % plasma blacks with the major downfall being off angle viewing, but some of us have no choice.

Check out this photo, blacks are very good.

So you have issues with phosphor trails but you can't see all that blurr on the LCD's? sounds strange. How long did you own your plasma?

LED LCD gets us about 90-95 % plasma blacks

No it doesn't
Maybe on a blank signal (all black screen) the blacks are plasma level.

But when it comes to mixed contrast scenes (normal content) LED LCD's are basically on the same level as non-LEd LCD's are.
Its called blooming and its not pretty.
It happens because there are so little led zones. so when mixed contrast is close together, the backlight from lighted pixels spills over into the black pixels. Making them greyish

$5500 for a 52" lcd... wowsers :eek:

$5500 for a 52" lcd... wowsers :eek:

i know. You could get a 60 inch elite kuro for that.

i know. You could get a 60 inch elite kuro for that.

The Plasma Defense Force in full swing again...

:D
Benny42

The Plasma Defense Force in full swing again...

:D
Benny42

Yeah, better bow down and worship at the Kuro altar.

:D

5500 for 52 beats sony for 7k, 55 incher lol.

cheaper or expensive than sony?

Any reviews?

5500 for 52 beats sony for 7k, 55 incher lol.

cheaper or expensive than sony?

The 55" XBR8 has an official price of $5.500 now...

bye
Benny42

The Plasma Defense Force in full swing again...

:D
Benny42

Plasma defense?
No need to defend something that clearly shows to be the superior tech by most reviews, professionals, calibrators, owners, and even non-owners.

So you have issues with phosphor trails but you can't see all that blurr on the LCD's? sounds strange. How long did you own your plasma? Why do you judge what other people see? I am telling you what bothers me and yes to the point I could not watch a Pro-111-FD without it bothering me.


No it doesn't
Maybe on a blank signal (all black screen) the blacks are plasma level. Please see photo below, this is not a all black screen. FInd a non LED LCD to do blacks like this

But when it comes to mixed contrast scenes (normal content) LED LCD's are basically on the same level as non-LEd LCD's are.
Its called blooming and its not pretty.
It happens because there are so little led zones. so when mixed contrast is close together, the backlight from lighted pixels spills over into the black pixels. Making them greyish It is worth the trade off. It is not a perfect world but I choose it over Phosphor trails.

Maybe on a blank signal (all black screen) the blacks are plasma level.

But when it comes to mixed contrast scenes (normal content) LED LCD's are basically on the same level as non-LEd LCD's are.

PCMAG measured 24,185:1 static contrast for Sharp XS1 and 8,809:1 for Pioneer 9G. I think 24,185:1 is a bigger number, no?

PCMAG measured 24,185:1 static contrast for Sharp XS1 and 8,809:1 for Pioneer 9G. I think 24,185:1 is a bigger number, no?

Are you saying you need a lesson on contrast?

Are you saying you need a lesson on contrast?

Perhaps? So smaller contrast number means better contrast? Otherwise Sharp XS1 would have better mixed scene contrast than Pioneer 9G. Now that would be silly! :rolleyes:

Perhaps?

sure.
heres an explanation from a pro calibrator:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14323038#post14323038

PCMAG measured 24,185:1 static contrast for Sharp XS1 and 8,809:1 for Pioneer 9G. I think 24,185:1 is a bigger number, no?

Here's what your PC Mag review concluded:

Samsung, Sony, and LG all have new LED-backlit LCD televisions, too, and though I'm still testing the Sony and LG, I can say that for now, Samsung's A950, which is less than half the price of the LC-52XS1U-S, is the LED-backlit champ, and I expect that Sony and LG will also likely deliver superior color performance for far less money. For video purists, the Pioneer KURO PDP-5020FD, which costs less than any of these TVs, continues to be my recommendation for a 50-inch 1080p panel. It delivers epic picture contrast, perfect HD video processing, admirable color consistency, and the widest viewing angles of all.

heres an explanation from a pro calibrator:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14323038#post14323038

Thanks. So basically Sharp XS1 has larger contrast number, thus better blacks than Pioneer 9G. I think you can edit your post(s) about LED LCDs now.

Here's what your PC Mag review concluded:

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Do you go to Computer City for your advise on home theater equipment? I for one have lived with the 950 (very nice) but with 5 times more zones of LED and RGB led LED the Sharp is far superior to the 950. Is it worth more than twice as much? That is worth debating. PC Magazine uses a guy who evaluates software and hard drives to become a home theater expert.

PCMAG measured 24,185:1 static contrast for Sharp XS1 and 8,809:1 for Pioneer 9G. I think 24,185:1 is a bigger number, no?

From your own review:

Adjusting the TV's backlight to maximum output raised the picture's black level enough to be measured, resulting in an average peak contrast result of 24,185:1

If I were to raise my Elite's contrast to its current calibrated maximum, my on/off contrast ratio would be 55,000:1.

The black levels of the Sharp are top-notch for an LCD, but they're not quite a match for a 9G Kuro. If magazine reviews are your thing, check out Home Theater Magazine's review of the Sharp in their current issue.

If I were to raise my Elite's contrast to its current calibrated maximum, my on/off contrast ratio would be 55,000:1.

It wouldn't be 55000:1 with real world material. That's why I like PCMAG measurements.

Do you go to Computer City for your advise on home theater equipment? I for one have lived with the 950 (very nice) but with 5 times more zones of LED and RGB led LED the Sharp is far superior to the 950. Is it worth more than twice as much? That is worth debating. PC Magazine uses a guy who evaluates software and hard drives to become a home theater expert.

Just passing on what it says so feel free to take it anyway you like. As for going to Computer City, if they had a section designated for Home Theater products and hired an expert in the field then I would listen to his advice and decide the value of it, but automatically discounting someone that you know nothing about is very unfair. Do you really know anything about this Robert Heron and his background?

Have you seen a review yet that says the Sharp is the best TV to date? I believe it to be a very nice set but it also sounds like there are some issues also and so far it seems to rank very near the top, but not at the top. You have a nice set and I hope you can finally enjoy it.

Just passing on what it says so feel free to take it anyway you like. As for going to Computer City, if they had a section designated for Home Theater products and hired an expert in the field then I would listen to his advice and decide the value of it, but automatically discounting someone that you know nothing about is very unfair. Do you really know anything about this Robert Heron and his background?

. In my opinion the conclusion this writer made offers nothing but a bias. His main gripe was that the set needed to be calibrated out of the box.

It is funny even though the Pioneer G9 comes out of the box almost perfect, so many people still spend another $450 to make it perfect. I feel there were some excellent honest reviews that brought forward some issue about this set that could be fixed with a professional calibration. You cannot add more LED zones or add resolution capabilities, but color temperature can be dialed in the service menu. The 950 ( a great set for the $$) has led zones that you can see go on and off during regular viewing. This is something that cannot be fixed with a calibration. I love the honest discussion this forum offers all of us and enjoy learning from other members opinions.

It wouldn't be 55000:1 with real world material. That's why I like PCMAG measurements.

How is he measuring? And would you watch real world material with the backlight maxed?

All these numbers mean nothing, the only thing that matters is whether the picture looks good to your eyes.

I had a 5020FD before and it was good, but I couldn't stand the 60Hz flicker, so it didn't matter how much reviewers praised it or how much people recommended them on AVS Forums.

The key is not to get caught up in numbers and what other people are saying, trust your eyes and you will never be wrong.

All these numbers mean nothing, the only thing that matters is whether the picture looks good to your eyes.

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So true, I had the Pro-111FD and the Phosphor trailing drove me crazy. I could not live with the Pro-111FD if someone gave it to me free.

In my opinion the conclusion this writer made offers nothing but a bias. His main gripe was that the set needed to be calibrated out of the box.

It is funny even though the Pioneer G9 comes out of the box almost perfect, so many people still spend another $450 to make it perfect. I feel there were some excellent honest reviews that brought forward some issue about this set that could be fixed with a professional calibration. You cannot add more LED zones or add resolution capabilities, but color temperature can be dialed in the service menu. The 950 ( a great set for the $$) has led zones that you can see go on and off during regular viewing. This is something that cannot be fixed with a calibration. I love the honest discussion this forum offers all of us and enjoy learning from other members opinions.

Isn't the red highlighted part of your post "nothing but a bias"? As for the PG9 there have been several reports that a calibration has made the out of the box picture even better but why would it be a complaint if the picture out of the box is almost perfect? I would think that would be a plus for a buyer. :confused:

Isn't the red highlighted part of your post "nothing but a bias"?

I stated in my opinion. Sure we all have a bias, but I do not make conclusion for everyone else.

Do you see any color issues with this photo? Skin tones look very natural and blacks are great (this is 1080I). I think Sharp has done a poor job of calibrating the AVC systems, one review switched boxes and the results were off a ton. Mine seems to be dialed in pretty good. I am also debating as a person who paid 40% MSRP, at 12K I may see things different.

I stated in my opinion. Sure we all have a bias, but I do not make conclusion for everyone else.

Do you see any color issues with this photo. I think Sharp has done a poor job of calibrating the AVC systems, on review switched boxes and the results were off a ton. Mine seems to be dialed in pretty good. i am also debating as a person who paid 40% MSRP at 12K I may see thing different.

Look buddy, quite being so defensive as I never said your set is bad. As for pictures, that thumbnail is so small it doesn't show a thing and I really don't put any value in pictures on the internet to judge picture quality as first it has to be processed by a camera, then dowloaded to your computer, sent through the internet and then processed by my video card and displayed by my monitor. Any of those processes will likely change the live picture to some degree.

As for pictures, that thumbnail is so small it doesn't show a thing .

I replaced the photo, I had to use a lower resolution for this forum to accept the image. I am the loan voice for this set as it seems know one else has even seen one. The photo still shows a lot.

I replaced the photo, I had to use a lower resolution for this forum to accept the image. I am the loan voice for this set as it seems know one else has even seen one. The photo still shows a lot.

Picture looks great displayed on my plasma. ;)


just joking. :)

I stated in my opinion. Sure we all have a bias, but I do not make conclusion for everyone else.

Pictures of a display are useless if you're trying to make any kind of assessment of a calibration.

Pictures of a display are useless if you're trying to make any kind of assessment of a calibration.

If the colors were out and you monitor is set up properly, you would see it. If you want I can set the color hot and take a photo so you can compare.

is there a 65 inch in the tube?

is there a 65 inch in the tube?

Sharp makes a 65 inch LCD Panel.

Sharp makes a 65 inch LCD Panel.

I meant was in their luxury class! I have seen 64, 94 was not impressed!

If the colors were out and you monitor is set up properly, you would see it. If you want I can set the color hot and take a photo so you can compare.

It depends on the lighting in your room, the quality of your camera, the settings used with your camera (including the colorspace), your photography skills, any processing of the image you do before you host it, compression used in the picture file, monitor used to view the image, the calibration of said monitor...

Uhh yeah just a few variables there...

If you honestly think everyone that view your pics over the internet see what your display looks like... well then nevermind. If that's the case we're all wasting our time reading your thread.

I meant was in their luxury class! I have seen 64, 94 was not impressed!

Yes they do.

It looks fine to me http://imagesshack.info/88l770.jpg

Despite not being able to judge a photo due unknown intermediate processing by camera etc..

Viewing that picture on my calibrated computer monitor: It seems to me to have a too cold color temp compensated by a mild red push.

5500 for 52 beats sony for 7k, 55 incher lol.

cheaper or expensive than sony?

Any reviews?


The unit does not retail for $5,500.00. The OP says that he got it at 60% off the real price, because the place he purchased from was going out of business, and they were not allowed to retail the product. That is what he claims.

Do the math. The real price that the item sells for is about $11K. You can find it listed on Abt Electronics for $10,999.00

Sharp LC52XS1US (http://clickserve.cc-dt.com/link/click?lid=41000000026643265&pubid=21000000000175726&mid=5336055023&redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abt.com%2Fproduct%2F39208%2FSharp-LC52XS1US.html) $10,999.00
Sharp AQUOS 52" Special Edition LCD Silver Flat Panel HDTV - LC52XS1US/ Full HD 1080p (1920 x 1080) Resolution/ Next-Generation 10-Bit ASV LCD/ AQUOS Net/ 120Hz Fine Motion Enhanced/ RGB-LED Backlight/ 1,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio/ Seven 1080p Compatible Inputs/ Built-In ATSC/QAM/NTSC Tuners/ USB Input/ 4ms Response Time/ 1" Thin (At The Thinnest Point)/ Silver Finish

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People need to keep the real price in mind, when evaluating the true merits of this unit.

Would they rather spend $11K on this one 52 inch LCD TV, or purchase two 60 inch Kuro Elite model TVs for just about the same expenditure.

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People need to keep the real price in mind, when evaluating the true merits of this unit.

Would they rather spend $11K on this one 52 inch LCD TV, or purchase two 60 inch Kuro Elite model TVs for just about the same expenditure.[/QUOTE]

I would never have purchased this unit anywhere near retail, plasma owners must understand that no matter what the specs say, some people do not like plasmas.

So true, I had the Pro-111FD and the Phosphor trailing drove me crazy. I could not live with the Pro-111FD if someone gave it to me free.

Ok.
Did you actually own the Pro-111fd, or are you basing your theorys on a showroom 2 minute drive by?

You have created 5 threads about your Sharp. Praising it and going on-and-on about it. Posting pictures etc.etc.etc.

I am sorry dude, but you are all over the place with your criticisms and observations.

Less than 3 weeks ago you were stating that all matte screens are GARBAGE.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16145201#post16145201
Yet you go out and buy the most expensive matte screen LCD on the planet??
:confused::confused::confused:

Less than 2 weeks ago you were stating that LCD has lousy blacks and poor motion:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16260786#post16260786

And here you are putting down the Samsung LCD's and praising the Elite:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16195714#post16195714
:confused::confused::confused:

And here you are saying that the elites have the best picture:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16152960#post16152960

:confused::confused::confused:

And here you are saying that you have seen motion issues with LCD's (even 102hz)
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16242054#post16242054
:confused::confused::confused:

I am sorry, but how can any of us take anything you claim seriously??
Tomorrow you could say that your sharp is garbage and claim another TV to be the best.
You are simply all over the place.
no offense.

£$12grand that’s daylight robbery!

Ok.
Did you actually own the Pro-111fd, or are you basing your theorys on a showroom 2 minute drive by?


I owned a Pro-111Fd and looking at the picture in the showroom nothing compares at any price. After I had it home I was dizzy when I watched it I was seeing a blurring that since I found was Phosphor trailing (I tried to let my eyes adjust to it for 3 weeks) my eyes could not relax when watching it. If someone is not effected by this the PRO-111FD is a great set with an incredible picture. I do not like matte screens as light is absorbed and washes out the screen, I have adjusted my room lighting to eliminate this problem. I would rather have the 950 screen, most would disagree. If the Samsung 950 had more zones and used RGB LED, it would beat every LED LCD out there.

No display is perfect, LCD'S are far from perfect, they are the only choice for me do to the phosphor trails. If you do not see phosphor trails you are lucky because you could spend a lot less money for a plasma and achieve an incredible home theater experience.

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People need to keep the real price in mind, when evaluating the true merits of this unit.

Would they rather spend $11K on this one 52 inch LCD TV, or purchase two 60 inch Kuro Elite model TVs for just about the same expenditure.

I would never have purchased this unit anywhere near retail, plasma owners must understand that no matter what the specs say, some people do not like plasmas.[/quote]
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Since you would not purchase the unit at the price that others would have to pay, then you are saying that it is far too expensive for what they would be getting in return.

That makes your extensive promotion of the unit ring hollow.

Time to close it down. You have a unit that you found at a price that is not available to the average consumer. It fits your viewing needs. It is a one of a kind situation, that applies just to you.

Since you would not buy it, if you had to pay what the vast majority of consumers would have to pay, then what is the reason for your extensive promotion of an item that you consider to be vastly overpriced for what it provides.

Since you would not buy it, if you had to pay what the vast majority of consumers would have to pay, then what is the reason for your extensive promotion of an item that you consider to be vastly overpriced for what it provides.

I only want to share first hand opinions for a display that most people cannot even find a place to view.
Since you seem to like to find my other post to try and attack me, you should also look at my review where I rated the Sony XBR as the number one LED LCD do to the price and performance. And I state if they the Sharp and Sony were the same price I would call it a draw. This is to let people know there are a couple other great options (Samsung 950, Sony XBR) at a lot less money. I am not trying to convince Plasma owners to convert to LCD, only trying to help other LCD fans with my experiences.

I suggest you stop reading my post as you like to get into personal attacks of people who do not agree with you. My post are for people who want to listen to another opinion agree or disagree, I do not care. I do not believe anyone should even consider any of you opinions as valid. Your biased towards plasmas and the way you take things so personal give you little credibility.

When you had your elite, what picture mode did you use?
what purecinema mode did you use>?
Did you contact Turbe and get controlCal and engage ISF modes?
Did you make sure you light sensor/color sensor was disengaged?
Did you see the phosphor trails on the actual display of did you see it on a Youtube video?

Don't understand what all the bickering is about fellas?

The high end LED LCD's and high end PDP's are such great displays. Who cares if I went XBR8 and you went 151 or you went Sharp?

98% of the US population would poop their pants to have anyone of these displays..

There are all magnificent. I personally love my XBR8. For me its the best display I have ever seen..

We are very lucky to have displays at this level.

99.99% of population would poop their pants if they heard my audio set-up.

We are all fans of HT and strive to whats best for us.

I have build an incredible set-up at the sacrafice of vacations, a new sports car and other fun things... I am no millionaire here, just obsessed.

This is a sick hobby but I still don't understand why all the fuss between a group of guys (and a couple of gals) who are here for the love of HT.

It seems the small group of guys here would appreciate the advancements of both display types instead of always tearing each one up..

I picked XBR8 but am always commenting what a great set the 151 is (but I do not feel the same about non-Elite but so what).

OP posted some pics of his set. Looks great to me and no harm ehhh.?

weird...now back to the arguing :D

Rick

seems sharp will command 25k for 65 inch set, 5k more for 5 inch less compared to sony

I only want to share first hand opinions for a display that most people cannot even find a place to view.
Since you seem to like to find my other post to try and attack me, you should also look at my review where I rated the Sony XBR as the number one LED LCD do to the price and performance. And I state if they the Sharp and Sony were the same price I would call it a draw. This is to let people know there are a couple other great options (Samsung 950, Sony XBR) at a lot less money. I am not trying to convince Plasma owners to convert to LCD, only trying to help other LCD fans with my experiences.

I suggest you stop reading my post as you like to get into personal attacks of people who do not agree with you. My post are for people who want to listen to another opinion agree or disagree, I do not care. I do not believe anyone should even consider any of you opinions as valid. Your biased towards plasmas and the way you take things so personal give you little credibility.

You appear to be befuddled. You seem to forget that you took a comment that I directed to "Zoro" about the actual price that the unit retails at, and you directed a response to it, even though your name is not Zoro. Now, when I respond to your comment, then you say I am not allowed to do so.

Since this is your fourth TV purchase within recent times, and you made big mistakes in all those previous purchases: it would appear that you are as qualified to dispense HDTV evaluations advise as Larry King is to offer: "How to stay married to one woman", advice.:)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16332155&highlight=#post16332155

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16332155&highlight=#post16332155[/url]

I think everyone knows by your inabilty to debate as a person with any tact or level of integrity or facts, your opinion has little merit. Don't be a hater on Larry because you think his wife is hot. If you had his money you might trade up yours to.

The unit does not retail for $5,500.00. The OP says that he got it at 60% off the real price, because the place he purchased from was going out of business, and they were not allowed to retail the product. That is what he claims.

Do the math. The real price that the item sells for is about $11K. You can find it listed on Abt Electronics for $10,999.00


Sell for 3000 dollars less at ABT, but hey who cares about details. The hyenas are after the OP, and they will stop at nothing. Casual viewers just have to wonder why? I wonder why.

I love it when they say "us". I will do one of them now. All of US agree, why should we not, we all know that its true, just consider a small detail I will pick up. All of agree that proves it. So there. So just prove any details however small we want to consider paramount and then that detail will be the proof. After all we all agree. Its us against you.

Sell for 3000 dollars less at ABT, but hey who cares about details. The hyenas are after the OP, and they will stop at nothing. Casual viewers just have to wonder why? I wonder why.

I love it when they say "us". I will do one of them now. All of US agree, why should we not, we all know that its true, just consider a small detail I will pick up. All of agree that proves it. So there. So just prove any details however small we want to consider paramount and then that detail will be the proof. After all we all agree. Its us against you.

what is this jibberish?

enough