I am debating between a Polk PSW125 (since its the last piece of the recommended setup on Polks site) or a Paradigm SDP3100 or PDR10v4 and need some advice on either sub. I am also open to any other suggestions (under 600 dollars prefered).

I am purchasing a new reciever this weekend so I cannot list it just yet. I am looking at the Onkyo 606 and up, Integra DTR 5.9 and up or a couple other recievers.

My other speaker spec's are listed below:

model Wattage Impedance Efficiency Lower -3dB Limit Upper -3dB Limit Frequency Response
Polk T90e 20 - 200 w/channel 8 ohms 90 dB 48Hz 24kHz 38Hz - 25kHz
Polk Monitor 40 20-125 w/channel 8 ohms 89 dB 57Hz 24kHz 47Hz - 25kHz
Polk CS2 20 - 175 w/channel 8 ohms 90 dB 60Hz 24kHz 55Hz - 25kHz


Any suggestions/comments/dude your an idiot responses are welcomed :D

Please dont spend your $600 on that...
Try www.hsuresearch.com

The VTf-2 MK3 fits your bill. It has much more extension and has more output.
What is your total room space again, counting all open spaces?

Please dont spend your $600 on that...
Try www.hsuresearch.com

The VTf-2 MK3 fits your bill. It has much more extension and has more output.
What is your total room space again, counting all open spaces?

If it is possible to go a little cheaper I would prefer that. I dont think I need tons, but I do realize you do pay a premium for performance. I just want to make sure I get a good sub to blend with my speakers and one I can really crank up later when I have more room.

The room itself is 16'2 x 17'3. I have a old *ghetto* pic of my setup (my apologies it isnt better). The SL in the picture is actually against the wal behind the couch currently. The fireplace in this pic is an option my aparment does not have. The furniture (and speakers) may be moving later, but overall that is all the furniture I have, and the size of the room.

http://i715.photobucket.com/albums/ww153/n00bWantingToLearn/GeneB.jpg

I used to be in love with Paradigm (still have one), Velodyne and B&W subs...until I got a taste of some other internet direct offerings (ID) from Outlaw and now SVS. There are lots of companies that offer a sub $600 sub that'll fit your needs with much more bang for your buck than a local store can offer.
SVS, HSU, Outlaw, Ascend, Elemental Designs, Epik, just to name a few off the top of my head.

I have dual Outlaw LFM-1 EX's (for sale, way under $600/ea) that'll play flat down to 16Hz. This isn't marketing BS like my Paradigm had (said it'll be +/-3db to 22Hz, but measured was more like 34Hz - a HUGE difference). I now got running dual SVS units that make me go WOW everytime I hear them - also measure very well.

For under $600, you can go with any of these...
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmcompact.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2-mk3.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1.html
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm

All these will come in under or about at $600 - SHIPPED! They come with great transferrable warranties and will way out perform most store subs that cast well over $1k.

There are lots of companies that offer a sub $600 sub that'll fit your needs with much more bang for your buck than a local store can offer.
SVS, HSU, Outlaw, Ascend, Elemental Designs, Epik, just to name a few off the top of my head.

I have dual Outlaw LFM-1 EX's (for sale, way under $600/ea) that'll play flat down to 16Hz. This isn't marketing BS like my Paradigm had (said it'll be +/-3db to 22Hz, but measured was more like 34Hz - a HUGE difference). I now got running dual SVS units that make me go WOW everytime I hear them - also measure very well.



Out of those I think I like the prices on these the most :D.
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmcompact.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1.html
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm

I *may* be running dual sub's at some point, but right now I would like to get something to complete my setup. As I am coming from a cheap ($600) Sony HTIAB setup I honestly wont be able to tell much of a diff between all these. I would like to get something in the price range of those subs above but am willing to pay more if it will be well worth it.

As I have around a 2k setup for car speakers I dont mind paying a little extra for quality, just want to make sure its quality I am buying and not just pure markup...which is why I pose this question here :D

Enders, the pb-nsd10 is a great woofer, granted your floor plan is bigger than mine I still would imagine you will have enough sub for a temp setup as you plan on running duals. But you could avoid duals and go with one bigger sub like the pb-nsd12 and avoid having to upgrade and avoid disappointment all at the same time.

Enders, the pb-nsd10 is a great woofer, granted your floor plan is bigger than mine I still would imagine you will have enough sub for a temp setup as you plan on running duals. But you could avoid duals and go with one bigger sub like the pb-nsd12 and avoid having to upgrade and avoid disappointment all at the same time.

While I have thought of getting one really nice sub with as much as I have spent to get this far that extra couple hundred difference may kill the bank. But I will keep it in mind. I also must remember that I do have neighbors (which I sometimes forget and need to be reminded of) and would prefer to not get complaints lodged. ;) I also have found (in my car at least) that I like the sound of a 10 over a 12 or 15" woofer.

Always buy the bigger/most powerful sub you can.

Subwoofer rule #1...

HHAHAHHA

Always buy the bigger/most powerful sub you can.

Subwoofer rule #1...

HHAHAHHA

While true it is trumped by Dating rule #1 "If the girlfreind ain't happy, you ain't happy. :D" I do have to be able to justify it *a little* lol :D. Honestly sometimes I am shocked she has let me get away with this much (especially since I just bought more speakers at Fryes last night)..dont want to keep pushing.

ok. yeah that is a factor too..
But it is is best if you can lower the volume of your powerful sub anytime you want...
However, you cant raise the volume of your already distorting smaller sub...

ok. yeah that is a factor too..
But it is is best if you can lower the volume of your powerful sub anytime you want...
However, you cant raise the volume of your already distorting smaller sub...

touche sir, touche. I am hoping to find the balance between them. While personally I would love to have 600 to spend on the sub, I am first and foremost making sure I spend money on a quality reciever to power my speakers (which I am still in limbo on), otherwise its not worth a purchasing a good sub to recieve a distorted signal. Any savings in reciever cost will be added to sub budget (but I cant justify spending more than 600 dollars on one).

On a related note I am in need of suggestions and comments on my reciever options. I happen to have a post on this site about it here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1140452)

SVS 25-31 PCi is good for $500 plus shipping, but for $569 plus shipping the SVS PB-12 NSD is a proven performer. HSU may have a slight advantage in sound quality for music, however, the PB-12 NSD is probably a better all-around sub. I think you would have to go to the HSU 3.3 at $800 delivered to equal the PB-12 NSD.

SVS customer service is also first rate.

touche sir, touche. I am hoping to find the balance between them. While personally I would love to have 600 to spend on the sub, I am first and foremost making sure I spend money on a quality reciever to power my speakers (which I am still in limbo on.), otherwise its not worth a good sub recieving a distorted signal. Any savings in reciever cost will be added to sub budget (but I cant justify spending more than 600 dollars on one).

I agree. I think $500 from an ID(Internet Direct) brand will make you very happy customer!

SVS 25-31 PCi is good for $500 plus shipping, but for $569 plus shipping the SVS PB-12 NSD is a proven performer. HSU may have a slight advantage in sound quality for music, however, the PB-12 NSD is probably a better all-around sub. I think you would have to go to the HSU 3.3 at $800 delivered to equal the PB-12 NSD.

SVS customer service is also first rate.

To equal or best....:D

The 3.3 finish of $699 is even better that the one on the $569 SVS....

To equal or best....:D

The 3.3 finish of $699 is even better that the one on the $569 SVS....

Certainly not worth $150 (including shipping difference).

Certainly not worth $150 (including shipping difference).

The reputation/warranty/size/extension/Turbo option/VTF, the 3.3 has is nice to have!

And an extra $150 in your pocket is even nicer to have.

Are you sure you want to suggest that SVS has any less of a reputation than HSU? I would not say that a 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty is necessarily better than the HSU 7 year driver, 2 year electronics warranty.

The 3.3 put out a grand total of 0.3 db more at 16 Hz than the PB-12, but fell behind by more than 2 db at higher frequencies when the 3.3 was tested in Maximum Extension. This gives the nod to the PB-12.

Turbo option. Turbo is no longer made, and only reduces port noise at 16 Hz. No big deal unless you are way into organ music. VTF is nice, but the PB-12 gets the job done very nicely without it.

Remember, you originally recommended HSU VTF-2 MKIII. There simply is not enough difference between PB-12 NSD and 3.3 to justify an extra $150.

By the way, I own both brands as well as others and right now, the PB-12 is simply the better value for most people.

And an extra $150 in your pocket is even nicer to have.

Are you sure you want to suggest that SVS has any less of a reputation than HSU? I would not say that a 3 year bumper-to-bumper warranty is necessarily better than the HSU 7 year driver, 2 year electronics warranty.

The 3.3 put out a grand total of 0.3 db more at 16 Hz than the PB-12, but fell behind by more than 2 db at higher frequencies when the 3.3 was tested in Maximum Extension. This gives the nod to the PB-12.

Turbo option. Turbo is no longer made, and only reduces port noise at 16 Hz. No big deal unless you are way into organ music. VTF is nice, but the PB-12 gets the job done very nicely without it.

Remember, you originally recommended HSU VTF-2 MKIII. There simply is not enough difference between PB-12 NSD and 3.3 to justify an extra $150.

By the way, I own both brands as well as others and right now, the PB-12 is simply the better value for most people.

You have a 3.3 and a NSD-12 ?

I have a 3.3 and is very very good. I am not saying that the NSD is not good.

For most people...hehe I won't argue there. It is too subjective, your statistic...
Don't start with test numbers. This just dont tell the experience.

I will say however that HSU has been in the market for the most time, and have kept its reputation all those years(18 years I think). When SVS is old enough we'll see...

So basically the recomendation is either the PV-10 or if I can pony up the extra cash (which is recomended I do) the PB-12 correct? There is no way I can justify in my head 699 on a sub. I got all the speakers in my 5.1 setup (which aren't the best quality, but still) for under that.

I am honestly looking at that Outlaw sub as well. My main concern is that I dont want to buy a sub that will spend most of its life at under 50% of its possible volume because it will manhandle the other speakers. The most wattage the speakers will be handling is 130 and most of the receivers will be sending around 100 watts. I am starting with 5.1 and staying there (though the reciever will do 7.1) until I either move into a 2 bedroom apartment with more room or get a house, which may be quite some time.

So basically the recomendation is either the PV-10 or if I can pony up the extra cash (which is recomended I do) the PB-12 correct? There is no way I can justify in my head 699 on a sub. I got all the speakers in my 5.1 setup (which aren't the best quality, but still) for under that.

I am honestly looking at that Outlaw sub as well. My main concern is that I dont want to buy a sub that will spend most of its life at under 50% of its possible volume because it will manhandle the other speakers. The most wattage the speakers will be handling is 130 and most of the receivers will be sending around 100 watts. I am starting with 5.1 and staying there (though the reciever will do 7.1) until I either move into a 2 bedroom apartment with more room or get a house, which may be quite some time.


The PB10 is a great performer if your budget prevents you from getting the PB12. This same issue between the 3.3 and PB12 has been discussed in another thread. IMO it's hard to justify $150 extra for the 3.3 unless you really want to have an HSU or are madly in love with the 3.3's looks.

The PB10 is a great performer if your budget prevents you from getting the PB12. This same issue between the 3.3 and PB12 has been discussed in another thread. IMO it's hard to justify $150 extra for the 3.3 unless you really want to have an HSU or are madly in love with the 3.3's looks.

I feel slightly more relieved to see the Polk speakers in your sig paired with the 12" sub. While mine are nowhere near as good as yours (Monitor series) it does easy my thoughts a little.

There is no way for my to justify the 3.3 and the extra 150. The PB12 I might be able to as long as I would get 5+ years from it (which I think I should be able to).

The bigger more expensive units will play louder certainly, but I was very satisfied with a single Outlaw LFM-1 EX in my larger room for 95%-99% of material. It was only the occasional super loud boom that I felt something was lacking (movies, not music). I got duals for more even room response from all seating positions, not additional volume. I ended up getting a much more expensive SVS for the additional volume capabilities and then duals of that SVS for even room response, again.

The smaller SVS (PB-10) and compact Outlaw and Hsu VTF-1 will surely satisfy you for almost all playback. Only when you're showing off the equipment on suggested selected scenes per this and other forums will you maybe find the limits of your future sub(s). Keep off this site and all will be fine.

My brother has the compact Outlaw and for almost all listening and movie watching at his house I'm always amazed at that unit's ability. It's clean, fairly deep, small and can go fairly loud. We don't watch stuff real loud as he's got 4 kids. At my house, I'm married with NO kids and frequently crank movies and music, thus the overkill of headroom I found necessary.

I've found all these companies (SVS, Outlaw, HSU, Ascend, etc.) to be more than helpful and have good reputations for assistance, warranty and returns. They all seem to offer 30-45 day trial periods in your home with thier equipment. That's better than auditioning in a store!

EndersShadow, I'm in pretty much the same boat as you. I can't quite decide between the 3.3 and the PB/PC-12-NSD myself, but if I were you I would DEFINITELY spring for the PB12 over the PB10. It's not all that much of a price difference and you know for sure you'll be getting a performance increase (unlike the PB12/3.3. comparison). Besides, if you're at all like anyone else on this board, it's best to get the best of what you can afford so you're not always wondering what you might be missing. Selling and upgrading is more expensive and more hassle than just doing it right the first time!

You have a 3.3 and a NSD-12 ?

I have a 3.3 and is very very good. I am not saying that the NSD is not good.

For most people...hehe I won't argue there. It is too subjective, your statistic...
Don't start with test numbers. This just dont tell the experience.

I will say however that HSU has been in the market for the most time, and have kept its reputation all those years(18 years I think). When SVS is old enough we'll see...

I do not have a 3.3 or a NSD-12. I could have been a little more clear.

The bigger more expensive units will play louder certainly, but I was very satisfied with a single Outlaw LFM-1 EX in my larger room for 95%-99% of material. It was only the occasional super loud boom that I felt something was lacking (movies, not music). I got duals for more even room response from all seating positions, not additional volume. I ended up getting a much more expensive SVS for the additional volume capabilities and then duals of that SVS for even room response, again.

The smaller SVS (PB-10) and compact Outlaw and Hsu VTF-1 will surely satisfy you for almost all playback. Only when you're showing off the equipment on suggested selected scenes per this and other forums will you maybe find the limits of your future sub(s). Keep off this site and all will be fine.

My brother has the compact Outlaw and for almost all listening and movie watching at his house I'm always amazed at that unit's ability. It's clean, fairly deep, small and can go fairly loud. We don't watch stuff real loud as he's got 4 kids. At my house, I'm married with NO kids and frequently crank movies and music, thus the overkill of headroom I found necessary.

I've found all these companies (SVS, Outlaw, HSU, Ascend, etc.) to be more than helpful and have good reputations for assistance, warranty and returns. They all seem to offer 30-45 day trial periods in your home with thier equipment. That's better than auditioning in a store!

I do like to crank it myself (but live in an apartment). If you dont mind me asking whats your setup like? Reciever and speaker wise. I just see the wattage on these subs as a little too much and dont know when I would actually get the chance to really *need* or get to enjoy that headroom.

I have a Paradigm DSP3100, and that line is worth considering in these conversations. In your price range you should be able to get a dealer to discount a DSP3200 to fit quite easily (I got my 3100 for $455 Cdn).

If you bought any sub in your price range from eD, SVS, Hsu, Outlaw or the Paradigm DSP line you would be happy (Epik is probably just outside, as is Rythmik).

I have a Paradigm DSP3100, and that line is worth considering in these conversations. In your price range you should be able to get a dealer to discount a DSP3200 to fit quite easily (I got my 3100 for $455 Cdn).

If you bought any sub in your price range from eD, SVS, Hsu, Outlaw or the Paradigm DSP line you would be happy (Epik is probably just outside, as is Rythmik).

I am also going to listen to a Paradigm SDP3100 & PDR10v4 on Sat and might pick one up (depending on the price). Currently I am seeing them at MSRP 3100 for 549 and PDF10v4 for 399 but they are running a sale Sat so we will see.

On semi related note: What guage wire do you guys recomend I run for my other speakers? I was looking at 12 or 14 gauge wire from monoprice. Would that work ok?

I am also going to listen to a Paradigm SDP3100 & PDR10v4 on Sat and might pick one up (depending on the price). Currently I am seeing them at MSRP 3100 for 549 and PDF10v4 for 399 but they are running a sale Sat so we will see.

The two dealers in my area offered 15% and 20% off MSRP. That's why I said the DSP3200 might even be in range.

On semi related note: What guage wire do you guys recomend I run for my other speakers? I was looking at 12 or 14 gauge wire from monoprice. Would that work ok?

Depending how long your runs are, 14 is probably adequate.

I feel slightly more relieved to see the Polk speakers in your sig paired with the 12" sub. While mine are nowhere near as good as yours (Monitor series) it does easy my thoughts a little.

There is no way for my to justify the 3.3 and the extra 150. The PB12 I might be able to as long as I would get 5+ years from it (which I think I should be able to).

Yeah I think either one would do you good. Having extra head room is always good in case you want to upgrade later on or want to turn the sub extra loud for certain movies/music. The PC12-NSD blends itself really well with my RTi A's, and I wouldn't be recommending it if I wasn't completely impressed with the product I received from SVS. :)

I think at this point the PB10-NSD would be a good match to your Monitors, and to be a bit more future proof I'd go with the PB12 in case you upgrade your speakers later on

Yeah I think either one would do you good. Having extra head room is always good in case you want to upgrade later on or want to turn the sub extra loud for certain movies/music. The PC12-NSD blends itself really well with my RTi A's, and I wouldn't be recommending it if I wasn't completely impressed with the product I received from SVS. :)

I think at this point the PB10-NSD would be a good match to your Monitors, and to be a bit more future proof I'd go with the PB12 in case you upgrade your speakers later on

That was all I needed to know. I just want to make sure it blends well with my Polk speakers. At some point later on when I do go 7.1 I will be moving the monitor 60's to the side surrounds and the Monitor 40's to the rear surrounds. More than likely at that point going to go all out on some really nice fronts. I think I am going with the Onkyo TX-SR 706 (for 499.99 plus shipping) or even the Onkyo TX-SR 806 instead of the Integra 6.9 (999 plus tax) and using the extra money for the sub.

Now comes the retarded question I have to ask being new to subs of this quality. How would I hook it up? I see a low level input but it looks like there are two... I am used to just running one cable into it. Am I just missing it?

Outside it being a lot of real estate, is there any reason the eD A2-300 (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=407) isn't being considered? It's probably the most bang for the buck and will handle a much larger room in the future.

R7

Outside it being a lot of real estate, is there any reason the eD A2-300 (http://www.edesignaudio.com/product_info.php?products_id=407) isn't being considered? It's probably the most bang for the buck and will handle a much larger room in the future.

R7

How does it compare to the PD12? (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm), which is what I am planning on going with currently.

How does it compare to the PD12? (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm), which is what I am planning on going with currently.

I'd say the a2-300 would be more along the lines of the PB10-NSD in performance. They're also comparable in price... That said, it really is great bang for the buck for $350, but imo you *should* get better sound quality, output, and extension with the PB12.

This list (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768150) is prior to improvements made to several subs including the eD A2-300. It may not be up to the PB12 level, but it's just over half the price. That price at their website includes shipping.

R7

This list (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=768150) is prior to improvements made to several subs including the eD A2-300. It may not be up to the PB12 level, but it's just over half the price. That price at their website includes shipping.

R7


hmm for 75 dollars more than the PB12 I can get two shipped...would that be worth it for my setup?

I do like to crank it myself (but live in an apartment). If you dont mind me asking whats your setup like? Reciever and speaker wise. I just see the wattage on these subs as a little too much and dont know when I would actually get the chance to really *need* or get to enjoy that headroom.

I just got back on here today, so this response is a bit late...

I've got an old Denon 3300 receiver that's ~100wpc, Mirage 890i bipolar speakers up front (3) and smaller Mirages in the rear of a 5.1 system. The Outlaw subs (2 of them) I HAD are 350wRMS, so the subs at 700wRMS is more than the complete set of 5 speakers, but this is normal as it takes much more energy to create low bass than is does mids/treble. I felt my mains kept up just fine. I've now got dual SVS Ultras @ 800w each and love the added headroom.

Speaker cable - just get a good quality copper 16 gauge wire, unless a super long run, then maybe 14 or 12. There's plenty or testing done that shows good quality copper will perform as good as high end $1k cables. But cables are very personal to some and can cause heated debates.

I just got back on here today, so this response is a bit late...

I've got an old Denon 3300 receiver that's ~100wpc, Mirage 890i bipolar speakers up front (3) and smaller Mirages in the rear of a 5.1 system. The Outlaw subs (2 of them) I HAD are 350wRMS, so the subs at 700wRMS is more than the complete set of 5 speakers, but this is normal as it takes much more energy to create low bass than is does mids/treble. I felt my mains kept up just fine. I've now got dual SVS Ultras @ 800w each and love the added headroom.

Speaker cable - just get a good quality copper 16 gauge wire, unless a super long run, then maybe 14 or 12. There's plenty or testing done that shows good quality copper will perform as good as high end $1k cables. But cables are very personal to some and can cause heated debates.

Yeah, I thought to hit up Monoprice for the wire. I got my eye on a 300 ft 14guage set (figure why not for 78 bucks). Just wanted to make sure I didnt need something like 12. I might even need more than 300.

The old reciever I am replacing (Sony HTIAB) is being moved into my 12x16 bedroom and will be paired with Polk 2 R50's for fronts (couldnt pass up at 69 bucks per), a CS1 center (newegg 89) and then two of the cheap surrounds from the setup.

I think my neighbors will hate me shortly...or if they dont its only cause I pay them :D

Dropping cash this weekend on either the PD12 or two ed A2-300's...any comments or suggestions on those?

EndersShadow, Go with the Outlaw LFM-1 EX. I just received mine this week $649 shipped. But now the price is at $649 + shippng. You might give them a call and ask Scott if you could get it for $649 shipped. You won't be disapointed. Hooked it up and "WOW"! Best $649 spend on a sub.

hmm for 75 dollars more than the PB12 I can get two shipped...would that be worth it for my setup?
There are a lot of subtleties to running a two sub set up. There are two different schools of thought on it. One says it's better to have two or more and the other advocates for one of the best quality. I don't pretend to know who is right. In that room I would think that one sub would be quite enough, but for some folks there is never too much. It comes down to your preference, space and tastes.

R7

There are a lot of subtleties to running a two sub set up. There are two different schools of thought on it. One says it's better to have two or more and the other advocates for one of the best quality. I don't pretend to know who is right. In that room I would think that one sub would be quite enough, but for some folks there is never too much. It comes down to your preference, space and tastes.

R7

I think that I should prob come down off my dream scenario and just go with one very good sub. I have very little experience doing setup and will be hoping to hell Audyssee auto cal will fix most of the issues I will have. So two subs is out of my limit right now.

Coming from the Sony HTIAB sub I have, I think it will be night and day...that and I dont really think I can justify 2 subs in a small apartment.

Looks like unless there are major issues shortly I will be getting the PD12 (as its the cost of the Outlaw LFM-1 EX with shipping included)

I cant wait to get this in and tested while everyone is at work lol.. I have a 250 watt JL Audio amp in my car with a 10 and it kicks like none other...I can only imagine what a decent 12 will do in my theater!

wish I wasnt the oddball here

but have u considered the premier acoustics PA-120 for only 230bux shipped... u could run two of them and save some money

good build quality,,, piano finish,, good low end extension.... I have had mine for a few days and I still dont know its full potential...

I considered all the ones mentioned but the PA-120 seemed more logical due to my budget....

check out the thread in this forum

wish I wasnt the oddball here

but have u considered the premier acoustics PA-120 for only 230bux shipped... u could run two of them and save some money

good build quality,,, piano finish,, good low end extension.... I have had mine for a few days and I still dont know its full potential...

I considered all the ones mentioned but the PA-120 seemed more logical due to my budget....

check out the thread in this forum

Yeah, I think I have ruled out running two as well I am an audio n00b and as such setup would prob annoy me. I am trying to make this as easy a process as possible (i.e. connect up my new receiver, rewire all the speakers, connect the components, run Audyssey and be done.). My specialties lie in the realm of building and fixing computers and talk of Hz, Frequency, SPL Gain meters give me deer in headlight moments.

I think the consensus is the PD-12 NSD which is a big enough investment I don't think I will be questioning what would have happened if I got this or that later *my gf is laughing her ass off right now btw (cause I tend to make choices and then regret not getting what I decided against)*

Yeah, I think I have ruled out running two as well I am an audio n00b and as such setup would prob annoy me. I am trying to make this as easy a process as possible My specialties lie in the realm of building and fixing computers and talk of Hz, Frequency, SPL Gain meters give me deer in headlight moments.

there is a benefit to running multiple subs,,,,, but if audio talk have u as a deer in headlights,,, the research and articles might make u go crazy

check out the articles,,, they r very informative http://www.audioholics.com/news/trade-show-coverage/videos/thx-managing-bass-modes/?searchterm=isolation

there is a benefit to running multiple subs,,,,, but if audio talk have u as a deer in headlights,,, the research and articles might make u go crazy

check out the articles,,, they r very informative http://www.audioholics.com/news/trade-show-coverage/videos/thx-managing-bass-modes/?searchterm=isolation

The only problem is realistically I do not have the space for 2 subs. My seating aranngement is quite tight as it is with a 59" tv couch loveseat and recliner in a 16 x 17 room. When I get a house I will be running something similar to the THX setup (eventually) but right now I just need to get the best band for my buck which seems to be one really nice sub. I greatly appreciate the links though, the video was kinda interesting (not that I understood too much of the Octave and Hz talk, but pictures I do understand lol)

Yeah, I think I have ruled out running two as well I am an audio n00b and as such setup would prob annoy me. I am trying to make this as easy a process as possible (i.e. connect up my new receiver, rewire all the speakers, connect the components, run Audyssey and be done.). My specialties lie in the realm of building and fixing computers and talk of Hz, Frequency, SPL Gain meters give me deer in headlight moments.

I think the consensus is the PD-12 NSD which is a big enough investment I don't think I will be questioning what would have happened if I got this or that later *my gf is laughing her ass off right now btw (cause I tend to make choices and then regret not getting what I decided against)*


"cause I tend to make choices and then regreet not getting what I decided against"

That is the universal phenomenon called buyers remorse.

You would feel it no matter what you bought.

The only problem is realistically I do not have the space for 2 subs. My seating aranngement is quite tight as it is with a 59" tv couch loveseat and recliner in a 16 x 17 room. When I get a house I will be running something similar to the THX setup (eventually) but right now I just need to get the best band for my buck which seems to be one really nice sub. I greatly appreciate the links though, the video was kinda interesting (not that I understood too much of the Octave and Hz talk, but pictures I do understand lol)
well if nothing else u have something to study


well some believe that its best to have multiple subs of the same make/model... others say it doesnt matter,,, but get whatu can afford and look into for future sub purchases....

also I was considering the eD A2-300 and also the HSU STF-2
or u could wait for the sasquatch-10 to come out,,, www.tweakcityaudio.com