Hi All,

I am looking into purchasing a sub, to be paired with a pair of Klipsch RF-82's. Rather than having a sub that just kicks the bleep out of the room (~12x12x10), I am curious what would match the towers well and give a very accurate sound, even at the expense of punch. The price range is limited, with $400-$500 being the high end, but I absolutely do not mind purchasing used or refurbished subs. Do any of you have a suggestion for this scenario?

Thanks!

have you thought about budget subs... at your price range you can run dual subs and duals can eliminate any standing waves and smooth out the bass response..

with a small room like that you can run dual 10" ($158.00ea) and still be happy.. acoustic audio HD SUB10 here is a review http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=1841007&postcount=760

here are reviews on the Acoustic Audio
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=85212

and here is a link for the Premier Acoustic PA120 $220.00
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=82738

That is something I had never considered, going with double subs. But I am definitely intrigued by the idea. In another thread, I was pointed in the direction of the Ed A2-300 or A3-250, both of which are in my price range (and would also be within my range to buy 2 of them for a double sub system).

So I am relatively new to the finer aspects of home theater design. Would a double sub setup require a receiver that is 5.2 or 7.2 in design specifically? Or would I be able to make it work with any receiver, such as an Onkyo TX-SR606. If I was to go the double sub route, would the above Ed's be a viable route?

Thanks

That is something I had never considered, going with double subs. But I am definitely intrigued by the idea. In another thread, I was pointed in the direction of the Ed A2-300 or A3-250, both of which are in my price range (and would also be within my range to buy 2 of them for a double sub system).

So I am relatively new to the finer aspects of home theater design. Would a double sub setup require a receiver that is 5.2 or 7.2 in design specifically? Or would I be able to make it work with any receiver, such as an Onkyo TX-SR606. If I was to go the double sub route, would the above Ed's be a viable route?

Thanks

Lot's of good stuff in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554. It is a "how to" guide for home theater.

Bill

That is something I had never considered, going with double subs. But I am definitely intrigued by the idea. In another thread, I was pointed in the direction of the Ed A2-300 or A3-250, both of which are in my price range (and would also be within my range to buy 2 of them for a double sub system).

So I am relatively new to the finer aspects of home theater design. Would a double sub setup require a receiver that is 5.2 or 7.2 in design specifically? Or would I be able to make it work with any receiver, such as an Onkyo TX-SR606. If I was to go the double sub route, would the above Ed's be a viable route?

Thanks

You can just use a Y-cable/adapter, don't have to have a .2 receiver. Most of the low end .2 receivers are just built in Y adapters anyways, they don't have independent sub calibrations/crossovers/etc. Single subs that would probably get a lot of recommendations given your price and criteria are HSU (http://www.hsuresearch.com/) and Outlaw (http://www.outlawaudio.com/).

Lot's of good stuff in this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=824554. It is a "how to" guide for home theater.

Bill

Wowza, looks like I have some reading to do. Thanks for the pointer, definitely will help!

So, general question though... is a dual sub setup really worth it once you move into the 500-600/each price range, or only if you stick with a pair of the less expensive one?

Thanks
Sam

You can just use a Y-cable/adapter, don't have to have a .2 receiver. Most of the low end .2 receivers are just built in Y adapters anyways, they don't have independent sub calibrations/crossovers/etc. Single subs that would probably get a lot of recommendations given your price and criteria are HSU (http://www.hsuresearch.com/) and Outlaw (http://www.outlawaudio.com/).

That is some very good info to know. Thanks. So the real question in my mind then: at what price range is a double set-up worth it, compared to a very nice single sub (ie, are 2 $300 medium level subs better than a $800 single sub)? Again, thanks for the info, very useful. More importantly, which would give me a more accurate sound, if not a louder one?

Buy one sub, so you can have better extension...

Musical subs at that price HSU, and some say Rhytmik also....

are you willing to build the enclosure yourself?

Before I even entered the thread I knew my reply would be "Rythmik" but then the only way it would fit in your price range, is if you built the cabinet. My first choice within Rythmik products would be the 15" (which I have) but a bit lower in cost is the kit with the GR Research 12", and it's a bit more accurate to boot...although your headrrom will be less.

Hi All,

I am looking into purchasing a sub, to be paired with a pair of Klipsch RF-82's. Rather than having a sub that just kicks the bleep out of the room (~12x12x10), I am curious what would match the towers well and give a very accurate sound, even at the expense of punch. The price range is limited, with $400-$500 being the high end, but I absolutely do not mind purchasing used or refurbished subs. Do any of you have a suggestion for this scenario?

Thanks!

The problem is, loud and accurate often go hand in hand in almost every situation. In other words, the lowest distortoin subwoofers are also the loudest subwoofers, and generally the largest too.

if you dont have an accurate sub, its probably suffering form non-linearity which means some function that increases distortoin.

Take the most extreme example of loud... car SPL contest. These subs are designed to play at 1 frequency and are extremely loud... they are also very very accurate at that frequency because they have to be very efficient. Its simply natural.

Now if you expand your definition to "wide bass response" then a subwoofer design would have a trade off of efficiency for bandwidth which is very common. Or if you suggest you want ta sub that blends into the mains well, this goes beyond raw distortoin accuracy. Room acoustics, SPL differences and crossover/eq all come into play and are very important for having not just a good sounding sub, but a good sounding system.

If you can stretch for a Rythmik, go for it. Another option is the Aperion Bravus 8D. It bested my HSU STF-2 with music.

If your near the Milwaukee area, there is a VMPS Larger for sale on Audiogon. They have reputaion for being fast and clean. This one has the 1000w amp. He wants $600 but I think you could get it cheaper.