View Full Version : Streaming will be OK...TWC Earnings Refute Download Cap Economics (Again)
Everdog 04-30-09, 12:40 PM Anyone who knows that the word "Gullible" IS in the dictionary, already knows this too. But, for those who think Enron execs were just a bunch of unlucky guys or that OJ would never hurt his wife...
Time Warner Cable spent much of April pushing scary statistics about internet hogs, futilely attempting to convince the press and its eight million broadband customers that downloading was killing the company’s bottom line and would lead to internet Armageddon if its current buffet-style plan was not replaced with a pay-by-the-byte model.
But, on Wednesday, the company released financial results (.pdf) that put the lie to the company’s campaign, showing that TWC’s own broadband bill fell nearly 20 percent when comparing the first quarter of 2009 to 2008. That’s the same time period that the company direly warned about, claiming its users were using 40 percent more broadband than the year before.
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Time Warner Cable pulled in over a billion in revenues from broadband subscribers in the first quarter, while spending less than $35 million to transport the bits. That $35 million also includes at least some customer care support costs, as well.
That’s because bandwidth — especially across the internet’s backbone — is still getting cheaper, even as usage grows.
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/04/time-warner-cable-earnings-refute-download-cap-economics-again/
Oh, and if you still believe TW, did you know that the word "gullibile" is not in the dictonary? Check it out!
More info about the FUD around bandwidth caps...
The term "exaflood," created by the same PR tank that crafted the term "intelligent design," is part of a sophisticated campaign aimed at convincing the press, public and lawmakers that without giving carriers what they want (less regulation, no net neutrality laws, no price controls, huge subsidies and tax credits, less consumer protection), the world will simply run out of bandwidth and we'll all be weeping over our clogged tubes.
Andrew Odlyzko, one of the nation's top experts on global Internet traffic, repeatedly notes that while growth is strong, it doesn't necessitate drastic new pricing model shifts (metered billing), and is entirely manageable with just modest capacity upgrades. According to Odlyzko, the current Internet growth rate of about 50% per year "can be accommodated with essentially the current level of capital investment." If anything, Odlyzko predicts a slow down (something Cogent data confirms).
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/The-Exaflood-Myth-Just-Wont-Die-102202
TWC is a pathetic uber-greedy neo-capitalist squeezing machine corporation - they will come back later this year, we have to stay alert to crush them when they start their sleazy little BS propaganda war again.
Another article on the cable companies tactics and FUD:
Gurley, who made his name as an original backer of Shopping.com and Jamdat, laid out that argument during a speech Wednesday at the AlwaysOn media and tech conference in West Hollywood, Calif. According to the VC, the recent moves by Time Warner Cable ( TWC - news - people ) and Comcast ( CMCSA - news - people ) to charge users per gigabyte or cap overall bandwidth consumption are defense moves to counteract the rising popularity of Web video applications like News Corp. ( NWS - news - people ) and General Electric's ( GE - news - people ) Hulu.
The good news for consumers, Gurley says, is that the cable operators are considering an alternative to choking off bandwidth: building a smarter channel guide with built in access to web video. The cable industry has resisted the integration of Web video into cable boxes in the past and has struggled to build smart, consumer-friendly technology into their systems.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/04/30/cable-broadband-internet-video-business-media-broadband.html?feed=rss_business
Wendell R. Breland 05-01-09, 01:32 AM Oh, and if you still believe TW, did you know that the word "gullibile" is not in the dictonary? Check it out!No, “gullibile” is not in the dictonary(?), but “gullible” is in the dictionary. FWIW, grammar and spelling is not a strong point for me.
No, “gullibile” is not in the dictonary(?), but “gullible” is in the dictionary. FWIW, grammar and spelling is not a strong point for me.
Maybe he was going for the Bugs Bunny version of "Gulli-Bull"
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Everdog 05-01-09, 08:37 PM No, “gullibile” is not in the dictonary(?), but “gullible” is in the dictionary. FWIW, grammar and spelling is not a strong point for me.
Its nice to see one of the big BD guys here. I guess you didn't catch the joke. In the first line I spelled it correctly, but in the last line I mis-spelled it so than when someone checks, they will say, "Dang, he's right!".
Anyway, because you are here I guess you realize that there is more to life (and video watching) than shiny discs.
Wendell R. Breland 05-02-09, 03:10 PM Its nice to see one of the big BD guys here. I guess you didn't catch the joke. In the first line I spelled it correctly, but in the last line I mis-spelled it so than when someone checks, they will say, "Dang, he's right!".And what was the intent of misspelling dictionary?
Anyway, because you are here I guess you realize that there is more to life (and video watching) than shiny discs.I have explained to you on several occasions my professional and personal background. I have 4 TV antennas, 4 satellite dishes and 1 satellite radio antenna, 2 Blu-ray players, 4 PC’s (2 with HTPC hardware[including ATSC tuner cards]) and only 24 hours in a day.
I will state again, streaming/downloading is old hat for me. We were doing that with our TV and FM Radio programming back in the 90's. I truly can not understand the fascination that many have with watching or listening via the internet. I classify it in the same category as cable or satellite.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3469550945_ce5ef1d248.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2132/2037835663_4b3cb3b35e.jpg
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Nosferax 05-02-09, 06:28 PM And what was the intent of misspelling dictionary?
I have explained to you on several occasions my professional and personal background. I have 4 TV antennas, 4 satellite dishes and 1 satellite radio antenna, 2 Blu-ray players, 4 PC’s (2 with HTPC hardware[including ATSC tuner cards]) and only 24 hours in a day.
I will state again, streaming/downloading is old hat for me. We were doing that with our TV and FM Radio programming back in the 90's. I truly can not understand the fascination that many have with watching or listening via the internet. I classify it in the same category as cable or satellite.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3469550945_ce5ef1d248.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2132/2037835663_4b3cb3b35e.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2213/2037835655_8641bedc3b.jpg
Would you please adopt me :D
Man I love your setup.
Wendell R. Breland 05-02-09, 09:57 PM Would you please adopt me :D
Man I love your setup.I knew that something was overlooked in my post. The top picture is personal (current), the two bottom pictures is work place. The post video edit bay (middle pic) has been redone with a Avid (HD) edit system. The Harrision audio desk (bottom pic) may have been replaced with a Studer 950. I’m retired now so adoption is out of the question :):D.
av.pallino 05-03-09, 06:02 AM And what was the intent of misspelling dictionary?
I have explained to you on several occasions my professional and personal background. I have 4 TV antennas, 4 satellite dishes and 1 satellite radio antenna, 2 Blu-ray players, 4 PC’s (2 with HTPC hardware[including ATSC tuner cards]) and only 24 hours in a day.
I will state again, streaming/downloading is old hat for me. We were doing that with our TV and FM Radio programming back in the 90's. I truly can not understand the fascination that many have with watching or listening via the internet. I classify it in the same category as cable or satellite.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3482/3469550945_ce5ef1d248.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2132/2037835663_4b3cb3b35e.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2213/2037835655_8641bedc3b.jpg
The point is to reduce the clutter, to not need all those dishes and antennas etc.
I have swtiched to using my HTPC as my primary AV component now - I can use it for music (itunes, xm, pandora etc), radio, news, Blu Ray (multi region), DVD (multi region), Netflix, Hulu, TV (via cablecard and internet) and my own videos and pictures. The only other video component is my Apple TV which is around an inch thick and totally invisible. I don't need to run any wires other than a single hdmi cable to my receiver. Everything that connects to the internet is wireless. So no dishes and no antennas and no AV-pile. I can be a videophile without being a videopile :)
If traditional bradcasting does not adopt to the new ways of distributing content via the internet I am afraid they are going to go the way of traditional print media. I noticed that in your images none of the TVs were even widescreen. What's up with that? How do you watch Blu Ray on what appears to be less than 1080p screens there :)
In my scheme of things the content is important and using my HTPC I have tremendous choice in what I want to watch and when I want to watch and how I want to watch.
Wendell R. Breland 05-03-09, 10:01 AM I have swtiched to using my HTPC as my primary AV component now - I can use it for music (itunes, xm, pandora etc), radio, news, Blu Ray (multi region), DVD (multi region), Netflix, Hulu, TV (via cablecard and internet) and my own videos and pictures. The only other video component is my Apple TV which is around an inch thick and totally invisible. I don't need to run any wires other than a single hdmi cable to my receiver. Everything that connects to the internet is wireless. So no dishes and no antennas and no AV-pile. I can be a videophile without being a videopile :)Glad it works for you, does not work for me. The A/V quality for internet sources leaves much to be desired. It is OK for news clips and the like. People say there is a version of Vudu that is pretty good but it is much more expensive than Netflix or Blockbuster. BTW, I have had HTPC’s for many, many years.
If traditional bradcasting does not adopt to the new ways of distributing content via the internet I am afraid they are going to go the way of traditional print media.I believe the networks, many local radio and TV stations have been streaming for sometime now so I am not sure what your point is.
I noticed that in your images none of the TVs were even widescreen. What's up with that? How do you watch Blu Ray on what appears to be less than 1080p screens there :)The work pics are many years old. I guess you missed the part where the post video edit suite was redone with an Avid HD edit system. That was about 2001. That same year we procured a HD mobile TV production trailer. It had four HD cameras and four HDCam recorders. It had complete 5.1 audio production capabilities with a Studer 950 audio console. We went on the air with our HD broadcast in November 1998 with WMPN-DT (http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_harris_announces_million/) (Channel 20) the other 7 HD transmitters came online in early 2000s.
In the auditorium we installed the first model of JVC/Hughes D-ILA video projector that was available. The audio was a full blown 5.1 system with THX versions of JBL loudspeakers. This was done in the 1999-2000 range.
av.pallino 05-03-09, 11:57 AM Glad it works for you, does not work for me. The A/Q quality for internet sources leaves much to be desired. It is OK for news clips and the like. People say there is a version of Vudu that is pretty good but it is much more expensive than Netflix or Blockbuster. BTW, I have had HTPC’s for many, many years.
I believe the networks, many local radio and TV stations have been streaming for sometime now so I am not sure what your point is.
The work pics are many years old. I guess you missed the part where the post video edit suite was redone with an Avid HD edit system. That was about 2001. That same year we procured a HD mobile TV production trailer. It had four HD cameras and four HDCam recorders. It had complete 5.1 audio production capabilities with a Studer 950 audio console. We went on the air with our HD broadcast in November 1998 with WMPN-DT (http://broadcastengineering.com/news/broadcasting_harris_announces_million/) (Channel 20) the other 7 HD transmitters came online in early 2000s.
In the auditorium we installed the first model of JVC/Hughes D-ILA video projector that was available. The audio was a full blown 5.1 system with THX versions of JBL loudspeakers. This was done in the 1999-2000 range.
Just like having a web strategy is more than having a web page, having a digital distribution strategy is more than streaming content over the web. Netflix is an good example of a company that did not just have a me too web product, but came out with something different and appealing, NBC, Universal did the same with Hulu. In terms of radio I think Pandora is innovative. I've also heard a few stations that offer outstanding audio quality, much better than FM. If you're streaming a low quality version of your regular programming then you're not leveraging what the internet technology can do for you. You're going to end up being an also ran...
As for AQ. I use my HTPC to listen to my savedmusic but the bandwidth is more than sufficient to get CD quality music over the net.
I've been using a computer for music and storing movies for almost 10 years now.
Wendell R. Breland 05-03-09, 06:04 PM Just like having a web strategy is more than having a web page, having a digital distribution strategy is more than streaming content over the web. Netflix is an good example of a company that did not just have a me too web product, but came out with something different and appealing, NBC, Universal did the same with Hulu. In terms of radio I think Pandora is innovative. I've also heard a few stations that offer outstanding audio quality, much better than FM. If you're streaming a low quality version of your regular programming then you're not leveraging what the internet technology can do for you. You're going to end up being an also ran...
As for AQ. I use my HTPC to listen to my savedmusic but the bandwidth is more than sufficient to get CD quality music over the net.If you are content with the A/V quality of internet based content then I am glad for you. You can make 10,000 post about the subject and it will not change my point of view. I have stated numerous times now that I have used the internet for news clips and short subjects. It is not a big deal for me and I can not understand all these responses to me telling me how great the internet is for A/V content. I have been here since the beginning, my first web browser was Mosaic, ver 1.01.
I've been using a computer for music and storing movies for almost 10 years now.In the 70s we were using a CMX-340, based on a Digital Equipment PDP-11/04 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11), for online computer editing. It could simultaneously control 6 video tape machines, control a video switcher and audio console. In the late 70s Telarc stated using a version of the PDP-11 to do digital audio recording.
av.pallino 05-03-09, 08:14 PM If you are content with the A/V quality of internet based content then I am glad for you. You can make 10,000 post about the subject and it will not change my point of view. I have stated numerous times now that I have used the internet for news clips and short subjects. It is not a big deal for me and I can not understand all these responses to me telling me how great the internet is for A/V content. I have been here since the beginning, my first web browser was Mosaic, ver 1.01.
In the 70s we were using a CMX-340, based on a Digital Equipment PDP-11/04 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDP-11), for online computer editing. It could simultaneously control 6 video tape machines, control a video switcher and audio console. In the late 70s Telarc stated using a version of the PDP-11 to do digital audio recording.
Apple TV and Vudu if I am not mistaken has way more HD content than is available on Blu Ray. Plus, ALL the HD titles are available for me to pick through any time I want right from my couch! In terms of overall viewing, if a title is available on Blu Ray I choose it, sometimes it's digital download and sometimes it's DVD. I don't feeling like I am cheating on a video format just because I have a choice. A lot of content I've ended up watching from Apple TV or Netflix were unplanned. I found them while randomply browsing. In fact I've watched some great great movies that way from Netlfix streaming recently - which is now my favorite source of movies! Quality for me starts with the quality of the content as opposed to just AQ and PQ. I guess I am now past the eye and ear candy factor when deciding to watch a movie.
It appears you're wedded to Blu Ray for now to explore HD content in any other form. So if that works for you, then great!
In the meantime I'm watching some great content. Including Dr. Zhivago and The Maltese Falcon and LoTR Fellowship of the Ring on HD. While you're forcing yourself into the Blu Ray release schedule. I'm happy for you if that is what you want to do :rolleyes:
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