I was going to replace my 20 gb hard drive with the 120GB Western Digital Scorpio WDGWD1200BEVS Hard Drive. I went to Best Buy but they didnt have any of the 120 GB anymore. Instead they have a 160 GB. Will this still work? Its a Scorpio Model in the same line, just more memory. I thought I read somewhere that the xbox wont recognize anything over 120. I dont want to flash the drive with the xbox image only to not work and become useless. Has anyone tried the 160, or even the 120?

Doing that is a hack. You're taking an id file from someone else's hard drive and convincing yours that it's that HD. From what I've read you can do it, but you're only going to be able to use 120g of it. Still it's not something I'm willing to risk.

Yea I know its a hack. But I refuse to pay $150 for a 120 GB propietary drive

I was thinking about doing this but 20GB is still enough for me for now. Sounds like transferring data is a pain though. I refuse to but a memory card as well.

I think you can still get the 120GB drives on Newegg.

No there not in stock, but I have found them from other retailers on the net. Another question. I believe it has been said before, but do you HAVE to use that exact model drive, or can you use any 2.5" 5400 rpm 120 GB drive?

Same Mcsame

I wasn't aware that the 360 could use a drive larger than 120GB.

No there not in stock, but I have found them from other retailers on the net. Another question. I believe it has been said before, but do you HAVE to use that exact model drive, or can you use any 2.5" 5400 rpm 120 GB drive?

It could technically work with other models, but the program written to flash the 360's 120gb HDD firmware to the new drive only supports that specific model of WD. The author could make it support more, but doesn't want to.

I've done it...it works without a problem. The biggest pain was getting the program to recognize the drive connected to your SATA. He claims it will work on any SATA that's not nVidia...but that's not true.

I wasn't aware that the 360 could use a drive larger than 120GB.

It can but I wouldn't...No matter what size drive you get you should only use 120GBs of it. Unless you want to get caught that is.

"I was going to replace my 20 gb hard drive with the 120GB Western Digital Scorpio WDGWD1200BEVS Hard Drive."

When you get banned, don't even think about coming back here and whining about how "Microsoft screwed me!!!1one". Hell, I'll go one step further. I hope your ass gets banned tomorrow.

"I was going to replace my 20 gb hard drive with the 120GB Western Digital Scorpio WDGWD1200BEVS Hard Drive."

When you get banned, don't even think about coming back here and whining about how "Microsoft screwed me!!!1one". Hell, I'll go one step further. I hope your ass gets banned tomorrow.

I wont. Its nearly impossible for them to tell I put my own hard drive in. And If i do get banned I cold care less. Like I said I will not pay 150 for 120 gb of memory, so if they ban me then they will end up saving me money.

"Its nearly impossible for them to tell I put my own hard drive in."

Pfff-hahaha! Yeah, the fact that 1000's of their users all have the same serial number for their hard drive is just sooo hard to detect. So hard that it is unpossible! :)

"Its nearly impossible for them to tell I put my own hard drive in."

Pfff-hahaha! Yeah, the fact that 1000's of their users all have the same serial number for their hard drive is just sooo hard to detect. So hard that it is unpossible! :)

^--- this.

Isn't it about time for Microsoft to come out with 500MB Xbox HDD? RockBand DLC is getting pretty crazy. :D

I'll admit that the ridiculous prices of 360 hard drives hacked me off, but I picked up a used 60GB drive off of Ebay pretty cheap (~$50). Transferring, contrary to popular belief, is not a pain at all. Took me less than half an hour and everything worked great.

I don't think I'll even come close to using up 120gb's.

I'll admit that the ridiculous prices of 360 hard drives hacked me off, but I picked up a used 60GB drive off of Ebay pretty cheap (~$50). Transferring, contrary to popular belief, is not a pain at all. Took me less than half an hour and everything worked great.

I don't think I'll even come close to using up 120gb's.

not moving to a bigger hard drive just yet, but do you need to back up your data?

if yes, how is that done?

what happen if the harddrive goes belly up?

"Its nearly impossible for them to tell I put my own hard drive in."

Pfff-hahaha! Yeah, the fact that 1000's of their users all have the same serial number for their hard drive is just sooo hard to detect. So hard that it is unpossible! :)


Meh even if they can tell I hardly doubt they take the time to check, unless someone specifically brings it to their attention. I know people who have put their own drive in and have had it for a while with no problems. Tell you what, I will have it finished by this weekend. How about you report me for having a modded console. My gamertag is rabid plattypus. Well see how long it takes for me to get banned :)

Please note that at some previous points in time, Microsoft has logged this type of information without immediate action. That is to say, they capture details about the system connecting to Xbox Live but don't necessarily ban it immediately. This can result in a ban weeks or months later if they do decide to take action or change policy in some way.

"Meh even if they can tell I hardly doubt they take the time to check"

Serial hashes of everything on your 360 are logged automatically. The moment that Microsoft decides that they want to ban the modded hard drives, it is a simple matter of opening up the automatically generated log database, sorting by identical serial numbers, selecting all, and hitting the ban button. I don't need to report anything, as it will already be known the moment your modded box next connects to Live.

Banning modded boxes is for the health and integrity of the system that I pay for. Like I said, the sooner your modding ass gets banned, the happier I will be.

Used 120GB at GameStop with the Edge card is only $89. Hell, if you wait, sometimes they send out a 20% off X360 accessories coupon which you can use on top of the 10% off. GameStop is good for somethings, sometimes.

Like I said, the sooner your modding ass gets banned, the happier I will be.

I understand what you're trying to get at but I think you are taking this the wrong way. Upgrading the HD is not going to give him/her a tactical advantage not will it be used for pirated games(unless a different mod happens).

You pay for Live so you can play online against people and play against people who are playing fairly. While not quite legit, this doesn't cross the line for why you pay for Live.

Used 120GB at GameStop with the Edge card is only $89. Hell, if you wait, sometimes they send out a 20% off X360 accessories coupon which you can use on top of the 10% off. GameStop is good for somethings, sometimes.

Yup, it's all about price. I'm in no rush but I would like to install games for noise reduction and faster load times though. Waiting until this is about $75 new.

I understand what you're trying to get at but I think you are taking this the wrong way. Upgrading the HD is not going to give him/her a tactical advantage not will it be used for pirated games(unless a different mod happens).
The ultimate use and whether or not it enables cheating or piracy or whatever is only part of the issue. In general, Microsoft has said that they don't want consoles on Xbox Live that have unauthorized modifications of any type. It doesn't matter if it's simply to give one more storage space at a more reasonable price; it's still a violation of the terms of service. We don't have to agree with their policies to understand the risk.

"I understand what you're trying to get at but I think you are taking this the wrong way. Upgrading the HD is not going to give him/her a tactical advantage not will it be used for pirated games(unless a different mod happens)."

Using a PC to modify the files on a closed system's storage device? Sounds like the exact same skill set, whether used to increase the storage size, or to modify files for cheating purposes. Either way, the activity absolutely deserves a banning in the interest of service integrity.

"Hell, if you wait, sometimes they send out a 20% off X360 accessories coupon which you can use on top of the 10% off."

Bam! Go to Gamestop.com and subscribe to their mailing list. At the current cycle, a "20% off 360 accessories" coupon will be dropping within the next month most likely. My 120GB 360 drive ran me a whole 60 bucks due to this.

"i understand what you're trying to get at but i think you are taking this the wrong way. Upgrading the hd is not going to give him/her a tactical advantage not will it be used for pirated games(unless a different mod happens)."

using a pc to modify the files on a closed system's storage device? Sounds like the exact same skill set, whether used to increase the storage size, or to modify files for cheating purposes. Either way, the activity absolutely deserves a banning in the interest of service integrity.



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+1 is the most useless crap ever posted. If you have nothing to say, then don't post.

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+1 is the most useless crap ever posted. If you have nothing to say, then don't post.

I agree! :D



Not really.

wow...somebody's in a mood :)


Does that qualify as "something"?

I don't think you can use the edge card for accessories. every time I have tried they said games only.

if you get a used drive with out the transfer cable, how do you xfer the stuff?

I don't think you can use the edge card for accessories. every time I have tried they said games only.

if you get a used drive with out the transfer cable, how do you xfer the stuff?

Try a different GameStop. The 10% is on used games and accessories and I get the discount every time.

"I don't think you can use the edge card for accessories. every time I have tried they said games only."

When walking into a Gamestop, it is best to assume that the register biscuit behind the counter is a ******. Being a ******, that person does not know their own store's policies.

Read the back of your card.

Yep, its good for used games and accessories. It just can't be used for used systems (Discovered that out recently when I bought a spare GameCube for $30).

I wont. Its nearly impossible for them to tell I put my own hard drive in. And If i do get banned I cold care less. Like I said I will not pay 150 for 120 gb of memory, so if they ban me then they will end up saving me money.


What good will the 120 gigs of memory do you if your banned? Its useless then besides for game saves, whatever DLC you've already purchased, and for installing games. Doesn't seem worth the risk unless you have no intentions of doing things like buying videos, Xbox Originals, XBLA titles, etc., and just want to install your disc titles to your hd.

Edit - Didn't realize I was double posting, forgot I was still in the same thread...

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+1 is the most useless crap ever posted. If you have nothing to say, then don't post.

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Gentlemen, may I present a shining example of the Gamestop register biscuit that I was just referring to.

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Gentlemen, may I present a shining example of the Gamestop register biscuit that I was just referring to.

Nah...You just entertain me. :D

You've GOT to be kidding me, razzing on some guy for using a non-M$ hard drive? Using the *EXACT* same model hard drive, running the *EXACT* same software, and only doing so in order to avoid getting VIOLATED price-wise ($80-$120 for a $45 drive), is not even in the same WORLD as hacking, pirating, or cheating.

It honestly baffles me that anyone could think this was a bad thing for ANYONE except MS, and even them only because they can't make $50+ in pure added profit over retail price for every consumer they violate.

I have a barely used 120gb MS drive I'd get rid of at a decent price.

"non-M$"

Congratulations! You just informed everyone that your opinions have no merit and should therefore never, under any circumstances, be listened to.

You've GOT to be kidding me, razzing on some guy for using a non-M$ hard drive? Using the *EXACT* same model hard drive, running the *EXACT* same software, and only doing so in order to avoid getting VIOLATED price-wise ($80-$120 for a $45 drive), is not even in the same WORLD as hacking, pirating, or cheating.

It honestly baffles me that anyone could think this was a bad thing for ANYONE except MS, and even them only because they can't make $50+ in pure added profit over retail price for every consumer they violate.

As james said before same skill set. If you are willing to hack the hard drive then why wouldn't you be willing to hack your game data? Having a hacked drive does make it easier to do. You don't want to pay that much for the 120 GB drive. Look for it on sale somewhere. Look for coupon codes. Buy it used. Buy it from a forum poster that decided he really doesn't need 120 GBs and will let it go for cheap. One thing I will say about buying used on ebay. Buyer beware.

It honestly baffles me that anyone could think this was a bad thing for ANYONE except MS, and even them only because they can't make $50+ in pure added profit over retail price for every consumer they violate.

Seriously!? No one is "razzing" anyone. Play by the rules or get banned is the basic message. Is that so hard? It honestly baffles me how society has gotten to the point where laws and rules don't matter if it saves a buck.

It's Microsoft's console, it's Microsoft's hardware and it's Microsoft's online service. Not my rules, I just play by them.

Seriously!? No one is "razzing" anyone. Play by the rules or get banned is the basic message. Is that so hard? It honestly baffles me how society has gotten to the point where laws and rules don't matter if it saves a buck.

It's Microsoft's console, it's Microsoft's hardware and it's Microsoft's online service. Not my rules, I just play by them.

I never said anything about blaming microsoft if I get banned. I know what I'm doing and if they ban me so be it.

As james said before same skill set. If you are willing to hack the hard drive then why wouldn't you be willing to hack your game data?
Because one is avoiding what could be termed "exploitative" pricing, and the other is cheating?

Having a hacked drive does make it easier to do.
Not really. The process of accessing files on the drive is identical, regardless of whether or not that little .bin file (or whatever it is) is original to the drive or copied from somewhere else.

Obviously, Microsoft sets the terms of their TOS, and anyone willing to violate the TOS should be willing to face the potential consequences. But there is definitely a distinction to be drawn between cracking the HD housing and replacing the drive in there, and modifying game data or using a "rapid fire" controller or using a lag switch. They are in different ethical ballparks. Simply replacing the drive at a price that doesn't constitute "gouging" doesn't grant anyone a competitive advantage.

I'll be the first one to say those using lag switches or modded controllers should be lined up against the wall, but someone replacing their hard drive on their own? I couldn't care less.

"non-M$"

Congratulations! You just informed everyone that your opinions have no merit and should therefore never, under any circumstances, be listened to.

Your logic is clearly unassailable. Having been so irrefutably proven worthless, I shall proceed to off myself at the next convenient opportunity. The world is in your debt for portraying such clarity of thought. Bravo, sir. Bravo indeed.

Obviously, Microsoft sets the terms of their TOS, and anyone willing to violate the TOS should be willing to face the potential consequences. But there is definitely a distinction to be drawn between cracking the HD housing and replacing the drive in there, and modifying game data or using a "rapid fire" controller or using a lag switch. They are in different ethical ballparks. Simply replacing the drive at a price that doesn't constitute "gouging" doesn't grant anyone a competitive advantage.

I'll be the first one to say those using lag switches or modded controllers should be lined up against the wall, but someone replacing their hard drive on their own? I couldn't care less.

That's what I was trying to say a while back earlier in this thread.

Gotta love the HDD crusaders. Apparently you don't value your time very highly. You'd rather save ~US$50 and spend potentially hours of your life hacking and installing a non-MS HDD in your 360 (with the risk of being banned) rather than simply coughing up the dough for a real 360 HDD and calling it a day?

Yeah the HDD is expensive compared to a desktop HDD. Oh well. And what happens if you are banned? Gotta buy a new 360 ($300 at least) and potentially a new Xbox Live Account ($50).

Gotta love the HDD crusaders.
I'm not "crusading" for anything. I'm just saying "replacing the HDD = modifying game data" does not compute.

Like I said, line the cheaters up in front of a firing line, and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. But simply upgrading your hard drive yourself doesn't equate to cheating; it provides no competitive advantage. OTOH, the guys with the Astros and the big projection screens do have a competitive advantage - but I don't begrudge them that, because it's not hacking or glitching the system. Neither is using a larger hard drive, regardless of whether the drive was "blessed" by Microsoft or not.

Apparently you don't value your time very highly. You'd rather save ~US$50 and spend potentially hours of your life hacking and installing a non-MS HDD in your 360 (with the risk of being banned) rather than simply coughing up the dough for a real 360 HDD and calling it a day?
All correct. If somebody calculates that they'd rather spend a little time than the extra money (and accepts the risks associated with doing so), then that's their business. My understanding of the procedure is that, besides a possible copyright violation issue, and violation of the TOS, there is nothing illegal about it. It certainly doesn't constitute "cheating".

From my POV, wrapping a COTS drive in a plastic case, formatting it a special way, and slapping a 200% markup on it is pretty offensive. I can understand how that might prompt someone to try and install an identical drive themselves.

"I was going to replace my 20 gb hard drive with the 120GB Western Digital Scorpio WDGWD1200BEVS Hard Drive."

When you get banned, don't even think about coming back here and whining about how "Microsoft screwed me!!!1one". Hell, I'll go one step further. I hope your ass gets banned tomorrow.



Why would you hope he gets banned?

So lame. So much hate.


The guy doesn't want to be ripped off by paying $150 for a 120GB hard drive. It's understandable. Why not just warn him that he could end up banned and that you don't want him complainign later (which you did) and leave it at that.

Why take the extra step of hating on a man you do not personally know, over something you have no personal investment, or interest, in?

Wow.

"Why would you hope he gets banned?"

Might I suggest reading the thread before replying? I've have already answered your question, before you even asked it.

"Why would you hope he gets banned?"

Might I suggest reading the thread before replying? I've have already answered your question, before you even asked it.


Because of your irrational belief that he should pay three times the going rate for a particular piece of hardware, rather than take advantage of an alternative method (willingly accepting all risks invloved) which would have ZERO negative effect on the performance of the network?

Yeah.


Haters gonna hate.