I mean really. Does this annoy anyone else? How the heck are we supposed to achieve something when we don't know what it is we have to do to get it? The whole point of these things was to give us something to aim for....but when I see zero description on what it is the trophy is for....wtf is the point?

Besides, google trophies for whatever game and you can get most of them online anyways, so again, what is the @#$@#$ point? Just list them in the game for crying out loud, save me the extra step.

That being said, I got one in kz2 to get, and it's list as ??? and I don't know what it is and I'm too lazy to look it up anymore :)

end rant

Tap your PS3 Home button in-game, select the trophy list for the game you're playing, all you have achieved (and most of what you need to get) will be revealed.

Tap your PS3 Home button in-game, select the trophy list for the game you're playing, all you have achieved (and most of what you need to get) will be revealed.
Joe...you missed the point. There are trophies for KZ2 that list no name or how to get them. All they are labeled as ????. Since I had the guide I knew which they were right off the bat. All of the KZ2 trophies that are ??? will be acquired as long as you play through the game more than a few times. But I'm not sure that all games will be set up that way.

Early on in the 360's life-cycle, the "secret" achievements were only a secret because they revealed important plot points. You don't want to look at an achievement list on a game you're playing and find out plot twists before you've actually played through the game, right?

But, now, since every game uses trophies and achievements, some developers miss the point/purpose of the secret achievement. A lot of times, there's no real reason for them to be kept a secret, and there's little chance that you'd accidentally get them. Like most of the trophies in Noby Noby Boy.

In my experience, all the hidden trophies are either related to a plot point or are something that just occurs normally over gameplay, including the ones in Noby Noby Boy.

I mean really. Does this annoy anyone else? How the heck are we supposed to achieve something when we don't know what it is we have to do to get it? The whole point of these things was to give us something to aim for....but when I see zero description on what it is the trophy is for....wtf is the point?

Besides, google trophies for whatever game and you can get most of them online anyways, so again, what is the @#$@#$ point? Just list them in the game for crying out loud, save me the extra step.

That being said, I got one in kz2 to get, and it's list as ??? and I don't know what it is and I'm too lazy to look it up anymore :)

end rant

My guess is they're intended to be used for achievements that might be considered spoilers for first time play-thru's.

What I've noticed is that few Dev's realize this, and make them whatever they think is cool.

KZ2 is so so on this, as most of them are boss fights you might not want to know about 1st play through. I think the other, non spoiler ??? are blow up a HG APC, and Nail 20 to the wall with the nail gun. Kinda spoiler-ish I guess, since if you explore, you'll find out you can do so on your own.

As for looking them up, they take 3 seconds and a google seach. You're really that lazy?

I mean really. Does this annoy anyone else? How the heck are we supposed to achieve something when we don't know what it is we have to do to get it? The whole point of these things was to give us something to aim for....but when I see zero description on what it is the trophy is for....wtf is the point?

Besides, google trophies for whatever game and you can get most of them online anyways, so again, what is the @#$@#$ point? Just list them in the game for crying out loud, save me the extra step.

That being said, I got one in kz2 to get, and it's list as ??? and I don't know what it is and I'm too lazy to look it up anymore :)end rant

Google Search 3-5 seconds compared to creating a thread???

Google Search 3-5 seconds compared to creating a thread???

Google Search 3-5 seconds (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=killzone+2+secret+trophys)

:rolleyes:

Google Search 3-5 seconds (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=killzone+2+secret+trophys)

:rolleyes:

That was awesome :D

Google Search 3-5 seconds compared to creating a thread???


Your missing the point, and just being a smart ass. These secret trophies are nothing more then annoying

I like getting achievements without knowing I am trying to get one.

I like getting achievements without knowing I am trying to get one.

So don't look at the list in detail ;)

I'm fine with plotpoints or surprises being kept. Like GH and failing a song on easy(I think this was one). It does suck a little when I beat a game but have no idea what some of those are. Take KZ2 for example. The platinum trophy is probably something like get a trophies for the game. Does it really need to be labeled as ???

So don't look at the list in detail ;)

I'm fine with plotpoints or surprises being kept. Like GH and failing a song on easy(I think this was one). It does suck a little when I beat a game but have no idea what some of those are. Take KZ2 for example. The platinum trophy is probably something like get a trophies for the game. Does it really need to be labeled as ???

I think you're saying the platinum is a ???, ? if so, it's not.

It is "get all of them for this one" and not hidden.

Anyways, this thread is providing some slight humor on this Monday. As it literally did take me longer to write this post then find the lmgtfy website, google it, and find the answer to the hidden trophies.

I think you're saying the platinum is a ???, ? if so, it's not.

Really, I thought it was when I first looked at it a while back. I don't look very often though.

EDIT: You are correct. I was thinking RE5. I did get a kick out of the link, but I do agree that some of these shouldn't be hidden which is the point of this thread.

Your missing the point, and just being a smart ass. These secret trophies are nothing more then annoying

I not missing your point. The point of the secret achievement/trophies is somthing that is completely optional for you do that doesn't require for you to beat the game. It is just like playing Doom when you found secret rooms. So if you want the extra challenge it is there for the people that want to look for the unknown secrets. Now you have the link has been provided for you to find out what the hell that secret trophy was. Have fun or not with that.

I not missing your point. The point of the secret achievement/trophies is somthing that is completely optional for you do that doesn't require for you to beat the game. It is just like playing Doom when you found secret rooms. So if you want the extra challenge it is there for the people that want to look for the unknown secrets. Now you have the link has been provided for you to find out what the hell that secret trophy was. Have fun or not with that.

Really? then why make them a secret? You dont need to get all the intel to beat the game or destroy all the Helgast Symbols, or revive a buddy 25 times to complete the game or get three headshots with the revolver on the same load<--- I went out of my way to get that one because I saw it as an optional challenge. Yet these arent hidden with the stupid "???" I dont understand why they decided to hide some of them, and others they did not. But as pointed out. It really only takes a few seconds in google to find what you are looking for.

I'm sure if you asked them they would tell you why they made one hidden and the other not. That said, there's probably not a whole lot of rationality to them - there's not a whole lot of rationality to achievements/trophies in general. Any game can have virtually an infinite number of possible achivements, and from that list the developers pick out 50 or 20 or 100 or whatever.

The process by which those are picked is completely up to the developer and ends up being more or less random. I would guess that if you would take a random person and have them play a game and write out an achievement list it would be 90% different from the actual one.

So, there's no point in arguing about consistency with these things.

If anything, this shows us how cool trophies and achievements can be, and how much of a boon or a bust they can be to developers.

Just like any other balancing issue in designing a game, it can be tough to find a good balance with trophies. Using the ??? to disguise a trophy is just one more balancing act. I'm of the opinion that a ??? should be there just to hide plot points and the occasional feat. But finding an action that the player will "eventually" run into on their own is tough.

You don't want it to be something that happens in the first five minutes, hour, or even 5 hours of play. But you also don't want it to be something that a player has to look online to find. If they don't get it after a single playthrough, then it shouldn't be a secret. If it's not a secret, but is something that can only reasonably be achieved on a second or third playthrough, then you can convince a player to give the game another run (like killing 1500 Helghast). But if it's a secret and they don't get it on a first time through, you're doing yourself no favors by keeping it a secret.

Google Search 3-5 seconds (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=killzone+2+secret+trophys)

:rolleyes:

Apparently, 3-5 seconds is too short a time to correctly spell "trophies." :rolleyes:

Apparently, 3-5 seconds is too short a time to correctly spell "trophies." :rolleyes:

I was bringing it down a level, to prove even that works like a charm.

Can't go wrong with he google overlords. they got you back in exchange for your soul.

:D

Not as annoying as your posts.


man, this site is just getting too many of these guys in here lately.

Really, if you have no interest in this thread....maybe move on?

Really? then why make them a secret?

Hell I don't know maybe this can be brought up at the next developers conference.

"What the hell were you thinking putting secrets in there"

Not as annoying as your posts.

He's not being annoying.

And, if you think he is, just ignore the thread.

man, this site is just getting too many of these guys in here lately.

Really, if you have no interest in this thread....maybe move on?

um... you should check post counts before drawing that conclusion. :rolleyes:

besides, how is taking a few minutes to create a thread more proactive than taking 10 seconds to google "(your game) hidden trophies"?

um... you should check post counts before drawing that conclusion. :rolleyes:

besides, how is taking a few minutes to create a thread more proactive than taking 10 seconds to google "(your game) hidden trophies"?

If you actually read the original post, it's pretty clear that the whole point of this thread is more ranting about how much he dislikes secret trophies rather than inquiring for information on KZ2's hidden trophies (he even mentions Google searches in the post, so telling him to "google it" is a redundant suggestion).

um... you should check post counts before drawing that conclusion. :rolleyes:

besides, how is taking a few minutes to create a thread more proactive than taking 10 seconds to google "(your game) hidden trophies"?

another winner . Post count means nothing, even less if people are gong to act like this.

the only people making a big deal about making a thread vs searching on google are.....take a guess who?

The point of the thread for the few that still don't GET IT, was to see if I was the only one that got irritated by secret trophies ( that's trophies not trophys :) ) Things don't ever change until someone brings it up. It's not complaining, its not whining it's not anything but a discussion among what is supposed to be an adult forum. Or am I on Xbox.com by mistake?

again, you don't need to be here, and this goes out to every other @#$@#$ out there ruining every thread these days with negativity and personal attacks.


K! Feel free to lock the thread - this is going nowhere.

another winner . Post count means nothing, even less if people are gong to act like this.

the only people making a big deal about making a thread vs searching on google are.....take a guess who?

The point of the thread for the few that still don't GET IT, was to see if I was the only one that got irritated by secret trophies ( that's trophies not trophys :) ) Things don't ever change until someone brings it up. It's not complaining, its not whining it's not anything but a discussion among what is supposed to be an adult forum. Or am I on Xbox.com by mistake?

again, you don't need to be here, and this goes out to every other @#$@#$ out there ruining every thread these days with negativity and personal attacks.


K! Feel free to lock the thread - this is going nowhere.



That being said, I got one in kz2 to get, and it's list as ??? and I don't know what it is and I'm too lazy to look it up anymore

end rant

I am done though just wanted to point that out. :)

I don't mind them because come on, some people like a challenge and want to do things in the game that they think might unlock a secret achievement. It's not too hard to get, no need to post a rant about it. The completist nature in you just needs to google and beat it that way and let the rest of us who like a challenge not have our hands held while playing the game.

another winner . Post count means nothing, even less if people are gong to act like this.

again, you don't need to be here, and this goes out to every other @#$@#$ out there ruining every thread these days with negativity and personal attacks.


this is the only personal attack i've seen in this thread...

here's a kind suggestion so that us "trolls" don't derail your threads:

rather than open up a new thread by bitching about something, why not subtly state your opinion and back it up with a poll with options like A. i hate ?? trophies. B. i get why they're there but but still don't like 'em C. they don't bother me.

i've been posting here a long time too because the kids steer clear of it, and this thread is destined to get derailed... especially if you're gonna snap at everyone who disagrees with you.

have a nice day.

Not sure about here, because there's no real rule thread as of yet besides some very few qualms the mods have, but generally these kind of threads are also frowned upon on any serious forum. Just like "favorite" threads, or off topic threads.

Especially when there's threads where the opinion already fits in nicely. Threads that a very quick search will point a person with an opinion to where he can share it respectfully.

Unfortunately those threads don't take the ego of the OP of these such threads into consideration, so just won't do.

act mature or grow the F up. the OP was complaining about those dumb secret trophies, with no name or description. he didnt ask your help with google. if you have no contributions. then MOVE ON.

those trophies are annoying, i either google them or get them by accident. im not a big fan of online and DLC trophies either.

To the OP, FWIW don't make a post that you yourself call a "rant" and then turn around get "annoyed" when people call you out on it.

i either google them or get them by accident.

Is there any other way? :confused:

act mature or grow the F up. the OP was complaining about those dumb secret trophies, with no name or description. he didnt ask your help with google. if you have no contributions. then MOVE ON.

those trophies are annoying, i either google them or get them by accident. im not a big fan of online and DLC trophies either.

Big fan of this post.

I am pretty sure you have the correct number of capital letters, I just don't think you have them in the correct locations.

What people choose to whine and complain about on message boards never ceases to amuse me.

Sorry guys but I have to agree with the OP. Googling is not the point here. The point of achievements are to have a goal and actively seek it. It defeats the purpose when the only way to get a certain trophy is to Google it first.

DEV1- Let's put a trophy in and not tell them what it is!
DEV2- This way, they have no other choice but to Google it!
DEV1- Brilliant!
*DEV1 and DEV2 embrace and jump up and down screaming "derr herrpa derp!"*

Here's another scenario:

You want to get as many trophies as possible on your first play through to lighten the load. You google the secret trophies and damnit you are hit with spoilers.

Sorry guys but I have to agree with the OP. Googling is not the point here. The point of achievements are to have a goal and actively seek it. It defeats the purpose when the only way to get a certain trophy is to Google it first.

DEV1- Let's put a trophy in and not tell them what it is!
DEV2- This way, they have no other choice but to Google it!
DEV1- Brilliant!
*DEV1 and DEV2 embrace and jump up and down screaming "derr herrpa derp!"*

That's okay. You're allowed to be wrong.






Once.

That's okay. You're allowed to be wrong.






Once.


Supporting evidence please. :p

The point of achievements are to have a goal and actively seek it.

Not necessarily. You're talking about a niche group of completists that must have every single trophy. Sometimes they are just fun rewards, and surprises. The mech-stomp KZ2 trophy was hidden and I laughed when I got it playing through the game normally. Same for the bolt-gun trophy.

Sorry guys but I have to agree with the OP. Googling is not the point here. The point of achievements are to have a goal and actively seek it. It defeats the purpose when the only way to get a certain trophy is to Google it first.

DEV1- Let's put a trophy in and not tell them what it is!
DEV2- This way, they have no other choice but to Google it!
DEV1- Brilliant!
*DEV1 and DEV2 embrace and jump up and down screaming "derr herrpa derp!"*

What makes this any different than 007-373-5963 or up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Select, Start? You needed Nintendo Power to get those codes or a game cracker. Those were just as secret. None of that came out of a review or preview at the time.

What makes this any different than 007-373-5963 or up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Select, Start? You needed Nintendo Power to get those codes or a game cracker. Those were just as secret. None of that came out of a review or preview at the time.


That was what made it so exciting to get Nintendo Power. It is not as exciting to google a trophy.

LOL, is that a Mike Tyson Punch Out code? Nostalgic.

That was what made it so exciting to get Nintendo Power. It is not as exciting to google a trophy.

LOL, is that a Mike Tyson Punch Out code? Nostalgic.

Your the bomb man. Yes it is to fight Mike Tyson.

Here's another scenario:

You want to get as many trophies as possible on your first play through to lighten the load. You google the secret trophies and damnit you are hit with spoilers.


And that is exactly the reason that the trophies are hidden. If your first play through is focused on getting trophies you shouldn't be too worried about spoilers, if you are worried about spoilers then you should satisfy yourself to getting the known trophies on the first playthrough (and probably most of the hidden ones as many come through normal play)

What makes this any different than 007-373-5963 or up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Select, Start? You needed Nintendo Power to get those codes or a game cracker. Those were just as secret. None of that came out of a review or preview at the time.

That's not a good comparison, considering you also had to beat Contra with 3-5 lives. :rolleyes:

Let's just say games have evolved a little bit since those days and today's gamers get more frustrated by the developers' stupidity.

That's not a good comparison, considering you also had to beat Contra with 3-5 lives. :rolleyes:

Let's just say games have evolved a little bit since those days and today's gamers get more frustrated by the developers' stupidity.

You can say that. Others of us will just stay frustrated by some of our fellow gamers' laziness and stupidity.

I really don't see how this is any different than when you had to stumble upon a secret in some random SNES game. Now they just let you know there's a secret to begin with. I can see how this would annoy some people but jeez you're not going to please everyone and they know it. If you don't like it email your complaints. I'd rather try to actually figure out what they could possibly be.

The developers are listening to you guys. They will now make levels that can never be beaten unless you google the solution. This is for our own good, so we don't become lazy and stupid and as a result are now forced to google or reach for the strategy guide.

The point of achievements are to have a goal and actively seek it.


Hmm I never thought that. In fact it seems like putting the cart before the horse. The point of achievements are to recognize beating a game/level/objective. Now it's like the only reason a lot of people play is to get achievements.

Hmm I never thought that. In fact it seems like putting the cart before the horse. The point of achievements are to recognize beating a game/level/objective. Now it's like the only reason a lot of people play is to get achievements.

Personally, some achievements add to the replay value and get me to play a game longer than I normally would without feeling like I'm getting absolutely nothing out of it.

Hmm I never thought that. In fact it seems like putting the cart before the horse. The point of achievements are to recognize beating a game/level/objective. Now it's like the only reason a lot of people play is to get achievements.

To each his own, I guess. I never would for that reason. There's also those obsessed with their KDR's, or other meaningless stats. Personally, I like my games more like movies, and enjoy the experience, plot, and getting there, not really the competition with some smack talking tween.

The developers are listening to you guys. They will now make levels that can never be beaten unless you google the solution. This is for our own good, so we don't become lazy and stupid and as a result are now forced to google or reach for the strategy guide.

quite frankly, I miss the days that it took some time and skill to actually beat a game. As recently as PS1 games wouldn't let you get past the 1/2 way point or earlier if you chose and easy play through. No getting to the last boss for you wimp!

Now a days it seems far too many games are nuked so that everyone and their pet dog can play and get to the finish line; when in the past not every game was beatable for everyone. It also hurts us who like the challenge and play on hard, since they usually don't put much time into making a game hard, rather then making it easier to die / fail. (like W@W, who's AI works fine on easy/normal since they're just there to shoot at, but is broken on hard).

Now get off my lawn!

quite frankly, I miss the days that it took some time and skill to actually beat a game. As recently as PS1 games wouldn't let you get past the 1/2 way point or earlier if you chose and easy play through. No getting to the last boss for you wimp!

Now a days it seems far too many games are nuked so that everyone and their pet dog can play and get to the finish line; when in the past not every game was beatable for everyone. It also hurts us who like the challenge and play on hard, since they usually don't put much time into making a game hard, rather then making it easier to die / fail. (like W@W, who's AI works fine on easy/normal since they're just there to shoot at, but is broken on hard).

Now get off my lawn!

I actually like it better the way it is now. You get to focus on the story and presentation of the game on the first playthrough (medium or the level just above medium). Then, on the second playthrough, you play on the most difficult level the game can throw at you and frame a screenshot of the "campaign complete" up on your wall. :cool:

great

I actually like it better the way it is now. You get to focus on the story and presentation of the game on the first playthrough (medium or the level just above medium). Then, on the second playthrough, you play on the most difficult level the game can throw at you and frame a screenshot of the "campaign complete" up on your wall.

Most games don't have a story worth focusing on, and as TyrantII said most games are just broken at the higher difficulties. "Hard" shouldn't really mean "cheap and infuriating" but thats often what games in hard mode actually are.

Ratchet & Clank Future was so easy it practically put me to sleep on the first playthrough, but the second time around they threw in that combo system and more challenge - made it a much better game! Why didn't they do it like that in the first place? When a game is so easy and you can't really explore playstyles and mechanics it just feels like a wasted opportunity.

Hmm I never thought that. In fact it seems like putting the cart before the horse. The point of achievements are to recognize beating a game/level/objective. Now it's like the only reason a lot of people play is to get achievements.

Maybe there is just no practical point just a sense of accompishment, a means to interact, a way to pass time . To each his own. As for hidden trophies kind of a contradiction imo.

Most games don't have a story worth focusing on, and as TyrantII said most games are just broken at the higher difficulties. "Hard" shouldn't really mean "cheap and infuriating" but thats often what games in hard mode actually are.

If the story is bad, the game is too easy on medium, and the game is "cheap and infuriating" on hard, what's the point of playing the game?

Personally, I'd rather play through the game on a more manageable difficulty level so I can get an idea of what it's going to throw at me rather than diving right into a harder difficulty level and getting to a frustratingly difficult part that takes 15 tries.

If the story is bad, the game is too easy on medium, and the game is "cheap and infuriating" on hard, what's the point of playing the game?

Well, there are other considerations but yea, most games today are just flat out not worth playing, even many of the supposed "best" ones.

Maybe there is just no practical point just a sense of accompishment, a means to interact, a way to pass time . To each his own. As for hidden trophies kind of a contradiction imo.

Beating the level or game gives the sense of accomplishment, not the achivement/trophy. I mean, it's not like there were achievements on NES games or PS1 games but plenty of people played and liked them.

Beating the level or game gives the sense of accomplishment, not the achivement/trophy. I mean, it's not like there were achievements on NES games or PS1 games but plenty of people played and liked them.
Tro-phy [troh-fee] –noun, plural -phies.
1. anything taken in war, hunting, competition, etc., esp. when preserved as a memento; spoil, prize, or award.
2. anything serving as a token or evidence of victory, valor, skill, etc.
3. a carving, painting, or other representation of objects associated with or symbolic of victory or achievement.
4. any memento or memorial.
5. a memorial erected by certain ancient peoples, esp. the Greeks and Romans, in commemoration of a victory in war and consisting of arms or other spoils taken from the enemy and hung upon a tree, pillar, or the like.

and back in the NES PS1 days we still compared scores and achievements verbally

Is there any other way? :confused:

yes theres more ways smartass. you can always come here and start your own thread about the trophies your missing. :rolleyes:

What is the point of secret trophies? May as well ask "What is the point of playing games?" or "What is the point of posting in forums?" or "What is the point of waking up in the morning?" The answer's always the same: :rolleyes:

In all seriousness (and we must all be deadly serious at all times, apparently), there isn't much point. It's a stupid little thing that helps keep some plot points from being spoiled, or adds a little "bing" by surprise while you're playing a game. Otherwise, no, there's really no point whatsoever.

yes theres more ways smartass. you can always come here and start your own thread about the trophies your missing. :rolleyes:

Well, as my father would say: "it's better to be a smartazz then a dumbazz" (not directed at anyone...your post just reminded me of that).

Great thread. Tons of useful information.

Great thread. Tons of useful information.

Especially the one with the Mike Tyson knock-out sequence. :)

Tro-phy [troh-fee] –noun, plural -phies.
...
5. a memorial erected by certain ancient peoples, esp. the Greeks and Romans, in commemoration of a victory in war and consisting of arms or other spoils taken from the enemy and hung upon a tree, pillar, or the like.

This is the correct answer.

I believe this thread can be locked now.