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mleineke

05-30-09, 02:23 PM

I just received my 8150 and I am in the process of installing it. I have not fired it up yet. Below are a few installation pics and a couple pics of my theater to post prior to the expiration.

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/hdnut/Planar/DSC04350.jpg

http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/hdnut/Planar/DSC04352.jpg

8150 mounted closeup
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/hdnut/Planar/DSC04359.jpg

Mount closeup
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/hdnut/Planar/DSC04361.jpg

118" Diagonal Carada BW.
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/hdnut/Planar/Theater04-08-02.jpg

Theater side
http://i648.photobucket.com/albums/uu207/hdnut/Planar/Theater04-08-04.jpg

Thanks.

Mark

darinp2

06-01-09, 01:56 AM

Too late for the contest, but here is my projector and screen.

--Darin

mark haflich

06-02-09, 06:51 PM

Darin. I like your settings and PQ much better. I will refrain from commenting on the settings and PQ of the previous poster. Anyone is free to press whatever buttons they want on the remote. To hell with film accuracy.

darinp2

06-02-09, 07:29 PM

In case it wasn't clear, I posted the picture of my projector and screen half jokingly. One of the contest's criteria was creativity and my install goal basically didn't include much in the way of creativity. As far as the screen and surround it was basically made to try to make everything except the picture (the screen) disappear, which kind of goes against trying to show that stuff off, since it isn't supposed to be seen. At least not while watching a movie.

I like the other rooms pictured here, but mine is more like a lab. My downstairs setup is where I have the comfortable couches and light colored room, which is for bigger groups and more regular people than some of us nuts from here.

That picture of my screen in my mostly black velvet theater room is with just the flash from the camera (the projector was off) and is a 10' wide Da-Lite High Power.

--Darin

mark haflich

06-02-09, 08:46 PM

I think we all got the intent of your post. And I was fully aware that there was neither a screen shot in the practical PQ line nor any settings. My jibe was having the wrong color space abd the enhanced contrast setting on for film. For sports, I happen to like the enhanced contrast setting even if the Planar setting is too agressive here. On my lumagen, I can set it to 1, the Planar setting is about 3. So i shut it off on the Planar and dial it to 1 on the Lumagen.

The contrast enhancement is a feature of the Gennum chip. The lumagen allows accesss to the full range of the contast enhancement function of the Gennum chip, The Planar gives one just an on or off to the setting chosen by Planar.

funlvr1965

06-03-09, 04:52 PM

Too late for the contest, but here is my projector and screen.

--Darin

Darin in using the 8150 with the highpower dont you find that it brings out the video "nasties" like mosquito noise and hidden artifacts? I was told by Mark that the highpower screen is too bright and he recommends a ND2 filter, mine definately was showing excess artifacts in casino royale even in econo mode. At this point I dont think I have a bad unit but I havent had the chance to install the ND2 filter yet, I haven't heard anyone say that the 8150 is known for video noise issues so I have to assume tha the screen is too bright but I haven't proven or disproven that theory yet

mark haflich

06-03-09, 08:24 PM

Lots of comments here. Quantum, just fooling.

As a start, shut adaptive contrast off and brilliant color OFF. When setting contrast and brightness, set dynamic black to off. Turn off all that stuff on the player you are using to play your test disc, like enhanced whatever in the dvd or bluray. I hope I got this right set the 16 to 200 whatever setting .

Now set your pluge and contrast. Back and forth, you will get it
sharpness yada yada. Now turn DB on.

Adaptive contrast fornicates with the gamma curve you select. It should not be used for film. For video, sports whatever, you may like to turn it on. It kind of brightens things up a bit. Making say a basketball court look freshly washed instead of a little dirty. I watch sports with CE on but I use it set to one in my Gennum chip based video processor. The same chip is used in the Planar but CE is set to about 3, it is fixed and non adjustable unlike in my video processor. Its a little too aggressive with the setting chosen by Planar. I bet those that like it wouldn't mind toning it down a smidge.

Gamma curves are personal preferences. I think the CRT 2.5 is too high for the on/off of the projector. Keep brilliant color off. And for film try to stick with the film gamma and probably about 2.2 for video.

I think your problems are improper contrast and brightness settings. Get those right with DB and CE off. And you should be able to see the brightness tests once you have set your player properly. You might want to get the Spears test disc, its cheap from AVS but Alan says he still makes enough for a decent glass of wine and we might as well keep him at least half inebriated.

The problem with posting settings is that if one follows another it will likely not be right. The right settings depend on a lot of factors.

Now I think most prefer DB on. These DLP machines need a boost in on/off and DB provides it. Brilliant color just screws things up. Makes the colors wrong. The 8150 colors are very good at the 6500 preset. Just get the contrast and brightness right. You will be happy.

Now HP screens. A good idea if you need the brightness and can mount the projector correctly for the screen. But if you don`t need the brightness, there are better screen choices. Using a high gain screen and then using a ND2? Better to start with a lower gain screen. The biggest reason for the use of a ND is to lower the black ref value. The blacker the blacks, ie the lower the ref value, the better off you will be provided you don`t make things too dim at the top. Also these filters are not a perfect optical solution. A better approach is to lower screen gain, the lower you go, the better the blacks but here you still need a gain that gives you enough brightness. Its a trade off.

If you have a high on/off, than you can afford to reduce the overall light output by a low gain screen, or a ND filter, or an adjustable fixed iris, if a machine has one.

Remember no single chip DLP has a very high on/off and that's why using the DB is such a good thing. The on/off specs of the 8150 are with DB on.

funlvr1965

06-03-09, 09:19 PM

Lots of comments here. Quantum, just fooling.

As a start, shut adaptive contrast off and brilliant color OFF. When setting contrast and brightness, set dynamic black to off. Turn off all that stuff on the player you are using to play your test disc, like enhanced whatever in the dvd or bluray. I hope I got this right set the 16 to 200 whatever setting .

Now set your pluge and contrast. Back and forth, you will get it
sharpness yada yada. Now turn DB on.

Adaptive contrast fornicates with the gamma curve you select. It should not be used for film. For video, sports whatever, you mylike to turn it on. It kind of brighten things up a bit. Making say a basketball court look freshly washed instead of a little dirty. I watch sports with CE on but I use it set to one in my Gennum chip based video processor. The same chip is used in the Planar but CE is set to about 3, it is fixed and non adjustable unlike in my video processor. Its a little too aggressive with the setting chosen by Planar. I bet those that like it wouldn't mind toning it down a smidge.

Gamma curves are personal preferences. I think the CRT 2.5 is too high for the on/off of the projector. Keep brilliant color off. And for film try to stick with te film gamma and probably about 2.2 for video.

I think your problems are improper contrast and brightness settings. Get those right with DB and CE off. And you should be able to see the brightness tests once you have set your player properly. You might want to get the Spears test disc, its cheap from AVS but Alan says he still makes enough for a decent glass of wine and we might as well keep him at least half inebriated.

The problem with posting settings is that if one follows another it will likely not be right. The right settings depend on a lot of factors.

Now I think most prefer DB on. These DLP machines need a boost in on/off and DB provides it. Brilliant color just screws things up. Makes the colors wrong. The 8150 colors are very good at the 6500 preset. Just get the cpntrast and brightness right. You will be happy.

Now HP screens. A good idea if you need the brightness and can mount the projector correctly for the screen. But if you don`t need the brightness, there are better screen choices. Using a high gain screen and then using a ND2? Better to start with a lower gain screen. The biggest reason for the use of a ND is to lower the black ref value. The blacker the blacks, ie the lower the ref value, the better of you will be provided you don`t make things too dim at the top. Also these filters are not a perfect optical solution. A better approach is to lower screen gain, the lower you go, the better the blacks but here you still need a gain that gives you enough brightness. Its a trade off.

If you have a high on/off, than you can afford to reduce the overall light output by a low gain screen, or a ND filter, or an adjustable fixed iris, if a machine has one.

Remember no single chip DLP has a very high on/off and that's why using the DB is such a good thing. The on/off specs of the 8150 are with DB on.

Mark I have the high power and the 8150, I like the pop on the top end that I get from the high power but to my eye I see an increase in mosquito noise so I guess I should try a lower gain screen. Since I already have the cinema countour frame I was wondering if the Dalite DaMat fabric would be a good fit however I have never seen the fabric, I have samples coming but was wondering if anyone here had anything good to day about it.

mark haflich

06-03-09, 09:36 PM

You might also want to look at the high contrast DaMat I believe.

What size screen do you have?

mark haflich

06-03-09, 09:39 PM

funlvr1965

06-03-09, 09:44 PM

You might also want to look at the high contrast DaMat I believe.

What size screen do you have?

133" diagonal 2:35 (10' wide viewable) what I dont understand is why Darin isnt reporting the same issue since we have the same projector and screen albieit I think his highpower is 16:9 The 8150 is mounted about 17 1/2' back looking through an Isco III. Cant do any critical viewing right now as I am medically challenged at the moment and theater is in a state of flux. I have 30 days to return for an exchange to Jason if defective but Im wondering if these artifacts are because the screen is too bright, this thing can definately throw some light albeit I know I am getting help from the screen, projector is mounted just above head so I figure Im getting about 2.4 gain.

funlvr1965

06-03-09, 10:04 PM

Are you really talking Mosquito Noise or some other type of noise? Try turning up the Mosquito Noise Reduction Control on the Planar. Mosquito noise looks like sort of dots in the light area slightly away from edge transitions. If you see noise further away from the edges, it is probably some other type of noise.

If I remember correctly the noise was in faces as well as away from edge transitions, normally I did try the noise reduction and it actually removes a good part of the noise however it then introduces similar artifacts like what I used to see when I had my ruby with the dynamic iris enabled, the detail goes missing in parts of the image and gives it a smoothing effect so I turned it off. Now I normally have my radiance hooked up but I am redoing the rack and everything is everywhere so I quickly grabbed a hdmi cable and hooked the projector up to the playstation. I will say that this projector has a lot of pop and punch from the limited viewing I did.

darinp2

06-03-09, 10:04 PM

Darin in using the 8150 with the highpower dont you find that it brings out the video "nasties" like mosquito noise and hidden artifacts?If I use the High Power without an ND filter, then yes I think it brings out things like that, just like most of these digital projectors with bright images. I also have a 9' wide Carada Classic Cinema White that I've been using and there the ft-lamberts for white are lower. If I go to the High Power full time then I will probably use an ND filter sometimes and not others. I haven't checked into the correct size. One worry is that if I remove the filter I will change the focus and this thing has manual focus. I'm wondering if I can hook up a camera or microscope to a laptop and be able to focus from back by the projector while seeing the grid clearly. Then I wouldn't worry about bumping the focus as much.
I was told by Mark that the highpower screen is too bright and he recommends a ND2 filter ...That is my recommendation. Then take it off if you want the images to be really bright.
I haven't heard anyone say that the 8150 is known for video noise issues so I have to assume tha the screen is too bright ...That is what I believe is the case. That the 8150 doesn't have excessive video noise (at least compared to other digitals that don't have a smoothing effect), bright images just tend to show things like that. Now if you got something with a smoothing effect (like the JVC HD2K from a few years ago) then you might not see as much noise at the same ft-lamberts, but that smoothing effect during motion would be called an artifact by many people.

--Darin

funlvr1965

06-03-09, 10:10 PM

Thanks Darin Im hoping that when I get back to setting this back up and add the ND2 filter I will see a difference, I might then try a Dalite Damat screen although I will miss certain things the highpower brings to the table, this is definately where a manual iris would come in handy

darinp2

06-04-09, 01:32 PM

I didn't check comparisons, as I suspect it only kicks in on dark and light scenes, and then dynamically. At my age my vision isn't that great anyway, but the majority of those who stated a preference have it on.I think the majority have the DB enabled, but my impression hasn't been that most have the adaptive contrast enabled. The AC has some bad side effects with things like yellow on black that I saw with a test pattern and isn't something I would use. I do use the DB though. I wouldn't normally use the Brilliant Color either.

--Darin

darinp2

06-04-09, 02:09 PM

And wouldn't it be better in a dark scene, to have contrast adjust so you can see things better in the dark?It does adjust in dark scenes with Dynamic Black enabled. But just adjusting the gamma down low without closing an iris too may not be a good idea (depends on the implementation). I tried the adaptive contrast feature on the Sharp 20k and it only changed levels of things like 20% video level by about 10%, so didn't actually add much CR to the dark images. And the AC on the 8150 had a pretty bad side effect on that one test image I saw. It may bring out noise that really wasn't in the image as it kinds of sharpens things around yellow (and I think other secondary colors) in a kind of gross way that wasn't in the original image (at least in this case). And from what I saw it didn't look like it was only trying to do its thing in dark scenes.

You can ask Bob Williams (an engineer on the project) and I'm confident that he would recommend turning the dynamic iris on and the Adaptive Contrast off, as he recommended to me. That doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't use it, but I wouldn't.

--Darin

mark haflich

06-04-09, 09:35 PM

I only said turn the DB off when adjusting contrast and brightness. Then turn it on.

AC is a feature of the Gennum chip. Gennum allows it to be turned off to really cranked up. There is a feature which allows the user to compare a large rectangle on the screen with AC on at the setting chosen and off outside the rectangle. Its a shame the variable user settings are not ebabled in the Planar. There is no good reason for not enabling them. I do not use the AC feature in my Planar because it is too agressive for my taster. I would guess its about a setting of 3 on the gennum scvale. My Lumagen radiance allows the user to set the degree of AC he\she wants and to see the width and without rectangle. I never use it for films, but for sports I usually have it on set to one.

I will not post my color and brightness contrast settings. Useless for anyone elses set up. Useless but accurate for mine.

I will say that deep color is off as it should be. AC is off for film as it should be. DB is on. The blacks would be pathetic with out it and running a high gamma would be nigh impossible with severe losses of portions of low level detail.

There is no real choice here if accuracy is what you seek and running a high gamma. BTW This machine does not have a high enough on on\off CR using DB to use a 2.5 CRT gamma with some loss. 2.4 would be fine but I believe the on\off would need to be doubled from what it is to go to 2.5.

Mike N Ike

06-05-09, 11:13 PM

And the AC on the 8150 had a pretty bad side effect on that one test image I saw. It may bring out noise that really wasn't in the image as it kinds of sharpens things around yellow (and I think other secondary colors) in a kind of gross way that wasn't in the original image (at least in this case). And from what I saw it didn't look like it was only trying to do its thing in dark scenes.
--Darin

I do not use the AC feature in my Planar because it is too agressive for my taster. ... I never use it for films, but for sports I usually have it on set to one.

I hadn't played much with the AC on the 8150 but spent some time yesterday and even my untrained eyes can see the noise is often quite pronounced. I'll be leaving it off all the time since film is the majority of my viewing.

Mike

Mikenificent1

06-07-09, 03:06 AM

I'm wondering if I can hook up a camera or microscope to a laptop and be able to focus from back by the projector while seeing the grid clearly. Then I wouldn't worry about bumping the focus as much.
That is my recommendation. Then take it off if you want the images to be really bright.
--Darin

The best is to use binoculars. BTW your theater (except for your screen) is fantastic! I'm jealous!

Peter Nielsen

06-07-09, 08:40 AM

Now I think most prefer DB on. These DLP machines need a boost in on/off and DB provides it.

I can't stand the pulsating artifacts that is caused by Dynamic Black in some movies. :cool:

The problems are seen in slow paced scenes with a uniform gray background. Flickering galore!

Remember no single chip DLP has a very high on/off and that's why using the DB is such a good thing. The on/off specs of the 8150 are with DB on.

Sure, Dynamic Black makes everything look great for the moment. Unfortunately, sooner or later, you get to the point that the pulsating light makes it obvious that something is not right. There's an intermittent problem with the picture. Some movies seem to play fine. Then there are a few segments in a few movies that makes you believe you have a house troll messing with your cabling <panic!>; Is your DVD player faulty? Are your cables faulty? Is the projector faulty? No. It's the tricks by dynamic black. (The problems [when they occur] actually look like somebody is jerking on your analog video cables [which you do not have], or to put it in other words it resembles MacroVision artifacts to some extent).

Awesome projector, but DB stays off to keep my sanity! :D

Peter

noah katz

06-07-09, 03:31 PM

"Using a high gain screen and then using a ND2? Better to start with a lower gain screen."

Maybe, but you also lose HP's advantages of ambient light resistance, brightness uniformity, and not showing waves.

Mike N Ike

06-07-09, 04:54 PM

...
Sure, Dynamic Black makes everything look great for the moment.

I wish I could confirm that. I'm beginning to suspect mine is not working properly. Not flickering - just no apparent difference between having it on and off. I looked thru quite a few disks looking for an indication. Based on some comments here I thought that scrolling film credits might show some flickering and I did find a couple where I'm sure I could see the text brightness being increased. But I could not detect a decrease in the black level - i.e., I couldn't detect that the aperture was being closed at all.

It's been said that to get a good contrast calibration you should have DB off. So I thought if I tried it with DB on I might get different results than my calibration with it off, or maybe see DB kicking in/out as I made the adjustments. Nope. Both settings came out the same and I couldn't see anything going on.

Does anyone have an idea how I might confirm whether this iris is working?

Thanks,
Mike

mark haflich

06-07-09, 06:48 PM

mark haflich

06-07-09, 07:12 PM

NOAH. It would violate the laws of physics if any positive gain screen had uniformity of brightness. no screen can bounce back more light than hits it. you know that.

A unity gain screen can be quite uniform if designed and made right. Also a non uniform negative gain screen can be uniform. The viewer in front of a positive gain screen if sitting in a positive gain position will expeience worse blacks (a higher black reference level) along with the positive of a brighter overall image.

Mike N Ike

06-07-09, 08:41 PM

Put up a fade to black frame from a film disc or a black screen from a test disc. Switch DB on and off. It will be much blacker with DB on.

If one gets artifacts with certain films, you of course can watch those with it off. if it only causes artifacts very infrequently, you have to decide if there is an overall benefit, ie, the better blacks most of the time outweigh the artifacts.

Thank you Mark. I can't get a good test right now - better half has a door slightly open upstairs and there is some light right now. So I couldn't visually tell the difference between on or off.

But... I put the CA813 light meter to it. I used the black test pattern from my VP. Not enough light to get a reading at the screen so took it from the face of the anamorphic lens (in passthru mode). Measured 2.9 fc with DB off. About .78 fc with it on. So with it on it did cut the amount of light quite a bit. That's a big relief.

Later I'll see if I can get a good visual.

Mike

Peter Nielsen

06-08-09, 10:09 AM

I wish I could confirm that. I'm beginning to suspect mine is not working properly. Not flickering

I'm sure it's flickering, since Planar confirmed the flicker in certain movie scenes is normal for the PD8150. Look at the following clip from the DVD "13 going on 30" chapter 9 (31 minutes into the movie):

http://www.pmview.com/planar/pd8150_dynamicblack.zip

The first clip (dynamicblack_on.avi) is taken with DynamicBlack enabled. The problem can clearly be seen between 4...6 seconds into the clip. The whole background flickers a few times. The second clip (dynamicblack_off.avi) is with DynamicBlack disabled and does not show the problem. (The color shifting you see in both videos is caused by my camera and is not visible in real life).

Based on some comments here I thought that scrolling film credits might show some flickering

No. It usually appears on uniform gray backgrounds. This is the explanation Planar gave me:

The flicker in that clip looks normal to me, and is a sign of the aperture changing position slightly during the scene. This change is usually not visible, but can be seen from time to time in scenes with large areas of uniform mid-gray levels such as the room background in this scene. The algorithm keys off of the brightest parts of the image, not the mid-gray levels, so those levels will change slightly whenever the aperture moves. This is an artifact of pretty much all dynamic aperture systems.

just no apparent difference between having it on and off.

It depends on the source material. On a black screen, the difference may not be totally obvious.

Peter

Mike N Ike

06-08-09, 12:21 PM

I'm sure it's flickering, since Planar confirmed the flicker in certain movie scenes is normal for the PD8150. Look at the following clip from the DVD "13 going on 30" chapter 9 (31 minutes into the movie):

http://www.pmview.com/planar/pd8150_dynamicblack.zip
Peter

I see what you're saying. It's clearly visible in the clip and likely even more so on a large screen. Now I'll be looking for it all the time. :( If I can get a BB rental of "13 going on 30" I'll let you know how it looks on mine.

I did get a good visual of a black test pattern later yesterday and could easily see the improved black level with DB on. That, coupled with light meter readings I took, has satisfied me that my iris is working. I'll keep DB on unless I start seeing the flicker...

Mike

Mike N Ike

06-10-09, 12:31 AM

I'm sure it's flickering, since Planar confirmed the flicker in certain movie scenes is normal for the PD8150. Look at the following clip from the DVD "13 going on 30" chapter 9 (31 minutes into the movie)... Peter

Rented "13 going on 30" and I can see the flicker at 31 minutes in with DB on. On my screen it was less obvious than in the video clip but it was definitely there.

Mike

smithfarmer

06-10-09, 05:03 PM

There are some good informative posts in this thread. Hopefully a kind moderator will move them to the appropriate 8150 owners thread. It would be a shame if these posts are lost after Brian has decided who wins the free lamp and this thread is no longer a sticky.

Mike N Ike

06-10-09, 06:14 PM

I didn't know we had an owners thread.:(

This one is fairly recent and has great info:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15867713#post15867713

Here's another one that deals with software upgrades for the PD81xx:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15043759#post15043759

There have been a few others and of course the 8150 is frequently mentioned in comparison to other PJ's.:cool:

Mike

smithfarmer

06-10-09, 07:01 PM

When a new pj is released to the public it's been a time honored tradition at AVS that the first person to receive one for their HT gets to start the "Official .........." owners thread.

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to have happened with the 8150. Since I'm not an official owner as of this post, you're more than welcome to step up to the plate. ;)

Strike that! The "Official Planar 8150 Owners Thread" can be found here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1086099

Mike N Ike

06-10-09, 08:01 PM

That's great! I feel validated.

I see its last post was 6 months ago - definately overdue for a revival. Now if all the regular contributors here will add a subscription to it...

"Posted and Subscribed"

Mike

mark haflich

06-11-09, 09:33 AM

Different implementations of a DI will show different artifacts. Any DI inplementation can not be completely free of some artifacts. The question becomes does the improvement in the blacks with the particular implementaion of the DI outweigh the artifacts? The more aggressive the DI system, the more it raises the on\off CR from native (that is with the DI off), the more the artifacts. Remember all a DI can do is cut the amount of light coming out of the lens for the blacks while increasing the gamma to make the cut less for the whites. How the algs are, how they cut the aperture while boosting the gamma will determine when you see pumping. If you only see artifacts very occassionaly, then the overall better blacks to me would seem to be worth it.

iIs like being married to a great woman who has a few bad days a month. I know. living hell for those days, but the others. Its life.

BIGmouthinDC

06-12-09, 05:36 PM

I would really like to thank Brian for awarding me an honorable mention (free lamp certificate if I purchase an 8150) in his free lamp contest for the most out of the box thinking regarding a planar 8150 mount.

As I said I WOULD like to thank Brian.

mark haflich

06-13-09, 10:43 AM

I think your problem twas hat unlike what happens in brass pole private party rooms, nothing mounted the mounts.

Brian Carskadon

06-23-09, 05:55 PM

OK, We need to pick a winner. I can't figure out how to create a poll (Alan tried to teach me, but...), so I will just ask everyone to respond with who they feel should win the free lamp:

Your choices are:

- mleineke
- darinp2

I will give this until Friday 6/26 and the person with the most votes wins!

darinp2

06-23-09, 07:07 PM

Please include my vote for mleineke.

--Darin

Oggythemoggy

06-24-09, 03:10 AM

My vote in this disaster goes to BIGmouthinDC

I have fixed the links to removed Planar images, CIH 2.40:1 Planar with Panamorph installation
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1149015

Brian Carskadon

06-24-09, 12:56 PM

My vote in this disaster goes to BIGmouthinDC

I have fixed the links to removed Planar images, CIH 2.40:1 Planar with Panamorph installation
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1149015

Sorry for missing your install. I wondered where the link went! I was hoping for a better turn out for this... Maybe a free lamp is not that important when you get 4000 hours on one now.

smithfarmer

06-24-09, 03:25 PM

According to the rules of the original post(Entries must be posted between today and May 30th. So hurry and get your gear installed!), mleineke has the only install pics posted and should win by default.

My vote in this disaster goes to BIGmouthinDC

I initially thought there were more owners pics in this thread but last night when I looked through the previous posts only darin and mleineke had any posted. If this is your only post in this thread, what's with the hate towards Brian?

Oggythemoggy

06-24-09, 05:06 PM

Sorry for missing your install. I wondered where the link went! I was hoping for a better turn out for this... Maybe a free lamp is not that important when you get 4000 hours on one now.

I don't think the offer of a lamp to be important at all, in fact I ruled myself out after the HT installation links to my posts were broken after the competition closed but before polling due to external circumstances beyond my control.
This has always been about the Planar projector and its superlative performance which seemed up to quite recently to had been damned with faint praise not only on these boards but also in some publications.
however thoughts are changing in the minds of many reviewers, who now regard the Planar to be standing nose to nose with the best projectors that are out there.

My own installation is using the Planar with a Panamorph anamorphic lens in a CIH configuration, even here it excels with its top rate picture processing in its anamorphic compatible modes and an optical sharpness that offsets the slight softening associated with prism based lenses.
These are things I like to shout about and I know I can be a bit thin skinned about it, however this is probably due to being an early adopter of this fine machine looking for confirmation of my purchase and spending nearly a year building this home theater from the ground up by myself!.
Time is running out! Post your pictures now to make it into the drawing for a free lamp or Oggythemoggy wins by default (which I'm sure he will be just fine with...). Nice theater by the way...
To properly win 'bragging rights' yes, a 'default winner', no!
Unfortunately there's just not enough competing posts to claim that.