Hi Everyone
I'm interested in buying a Barco Cine9 but many people talk about the Sony G90.
In terms of performance, durability and parts available witch one is better?
Tank you

I think there's some nasty chip issue with the G90 - a chip tends to die which is Sony custom and irreplaceable. It seems that people are starting to shy away from G90s for that reason.

A lot of people also rank the Cine9 slightly over the G90 in terms of performance, but at that level I doubt it's truly significant if there are any other factors in play.

Personally, if there were a dude with a mint Cine9 and a mint G90 in a truck out front, saying, "Take one" I'd take the Cine9.

Hi Everyone
I'm interested in buying a Barco Cine9 but many people talk about the Sony G90.
In terms of performance, durability and parts available witch one is better?
Tank you


What condition on the Cine 9? IMHO If they were the Same price and same condition you could really flip a coin, With the edge going to the cine 9.

Bruce

I have to agree I would go with a Cine9 over a G90 but I would go for a Barco 1209s (with colored c-elements) over either because the increase in performance is not worth the potential parts issue with either set (though the Barco is probably better).

Also the Cine9/909 do have a power supply issue. There is a tech note around for the issue. If you are buying a set you might want to check whether this has been repaired or not. On the bright side it is easily repairable with off the shelf parts.

My experience is that Cine9's are not that hard to find these days in the USA in the Runco version (the DTV-1200). I presently have two of these and have another in my sights. I started my search last October. The Runco's are showing up as possible trade-ins at high end dealers. The dealers are reluctant to deal with them due to the difficulties of taking them down and trying to resell them in today's market. However, if you can befriend one (or several) dealers who will keep an eye out for these, they can be found at great bargains IMO. Yes, they are not too bright, but given the right size screen and a good room they still present an outstanding image.

Hi Everyone
Tank you so much for the opinions, i like to ear opinions from the right people and in this forum i always find the right people.
About the Sony G90 there are stores selling them New at $20000 USD witch is very good compared to the $50000 USD to the Cine9.
However you are right in terms of the Runco 1200 series.
The is a Runco 1209s witch i think it has the same performance as the Cine9.
These are not possible to get as new are they?
Runco has support for them? New Tubes etc?

Hi Everyone
Tank you so much for the opinions, i like to ear opinions from the right people and in this forum i always find the right people.
About the Sony G90 there are stores selling them New at $20000 USD witch is very good compared to the $50000 USD to the Cine9.
However you are right in terms of the Runco 1200 series.
The is a Runco 1209s witch i think it has the same performance as the Cine9.
These are not possible to get as new are they?
Runco has support for them? New Tubes etc?

You'd be crazy to buy a Cine9 / G90 new! For twenty grand from a reputable reseller you could get a mint one used, plus another couple of mint ones as backup... If you're willing to spend that kind of scratch, get in touch with Curt Palme. No matter where you are, buying from him + shipping + a huge number of spares will be far, far cheaper than from a store. And he knows and supports his stuff.

Runco has support for them? New Tubes etc?

The G90 and Runco DTV1200 and 01 use the same tubes.

Hi Everyone
I'm interested in buying a Barco Cine9 but many people talk about the Sony G90.
In terms of performance, durability and parts available witch one is better?
Tank you

I have 3 G90's right here that are running just fine. The only difference between the two in my opinion is the G90 has better firmware but uses a light green c element so if you want "correct" primary you need to change it. My personal opinion is you couldn't go wrong with either. Plenty of parts chassis showing up for the G90 so I wouldn't worry about parts availability. The Key for the G90 is to keep the damn thing plugged in as to not wear the dallas chip. Not a big deal.

Cliff

Tank you so much for the information, it's very useful.
Now there is a question that i consider interesting...
For example the Runco 1209S can be bought for much less than the Cine9.
If i buy for example 2 1209S and run them together the performance will not be higher than having a single Cine9?
Tanks

Carate - I think you need to mention that you plan on running an 8m screen. I just can't see this being done with CRT projectors unless you plan on using a minimum of 2 projectors and a torus or 4 projectors. Anyone care to do the math to calculate how many ftL's he can expect on an 8m screen with 1.3 gain?

Hi
You're right in what you are saying. But let's consider a 6 meter screen, don't need to be 8 meters.
What i want is a big screen fro shure, otherwise i would buy a TV. I want the Cinema feeling in my house. :)
What do you mean by Torus?

Cheers

So if a guy was to score a Runco DTV-1100 (1209s) with mint red & blue and a slightly worn green (rated at say an 8 or so w/ a 4:3 pattern) with 6,300 hours on the clock for say a few hundred bucks or so, would that be an OK deal? :D

If you're planning on a 6-8 meter screen, I think CRT's are out of the question - especially for a crt novice. You would need multiple CRT's that would be far too expensive and installation/maintenance would be a nightmare.

Lighting up an 18ft wide screen would take a mighty powerful digital as well, so plan on the big bucks for sure.

Hi
So what do you advice me then? I also think that buying 2 or 3 CRT's it's completely insane as for the cost.
But i would like to have perfect colours...so i'm a bit affraid of that digital projectors might become a disapointment for me...
IS there any that you can advice me?

Just dont go so big of a screen, maybe 4 to 4.25 meters might work with two crt PJ and blending but to set up a blend is very difficult. You need to have both color calibrated
the same and be able to maintain perfect geometry in the center blend zone. If sitting 1.2 times the screen width from the screen it is pltenty big and is better than a cinema.

Gino has a 13 foot screen maybe larger with two marquee 9500LC's and is a master of the blend.

Athanasios

here are some screen shot's of Gino's set up. ;D

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/gino_968.jpg
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/lotr_733.jpg
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/gladiator3_173.jpg
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/kong_145.jpg
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/files/kong4_862.jpg


Athanasios

Hi
These are HOT!!!
I LOVE IT. This is a 4 meter screen?
Tell me something for example Runco DTV-1100 will have the same performance?
I think i'll choose between:

-Runco DTV-1100
-9500LC
-Cine 9

Is possible to find as new units of these, like 300 hours of use max?

Now for a 4 meter screen i'll need at least 2 right? Because this screen on the picture is perfectly enought. LOVE IT.

So if a guy was to score a Runco DTV-1100 (1209s) with mint red & blue and a slightly worn green (rated at say an 8 or so w/ a 4:3 pattern) with 6,300 hours on the clock for say a few hundred bucks or so, would that be an OK deal? :D

Yes but I got you beat on the price. I got two 1100s for a "few" hundred :D. Though don't underestimate the wear on green. Mine were probably an 8 maybe a 7 and the wear drove me nuts. Runco tended to place the projector further back than necessary so the wear area is often smaller. Also the green c element tends to hide the wear. All that said I LOVE the picture of my Runco 1100.

Hi
These are HOT!!!
I LOVE IT. This is a 4 meter screen?
Tell me something for example Runco DTV-1100 will have the same performance?
I think i'll choose between:

-Runco DTV-1100
-9500LC
-Cine 9

Is possible to find as new units of these, like 300 hours of use max?

Now for a 4 meter screen i'll need at least 2 right? Because this screen on the picture is perfectly enought. LOVE IT.

yes they are available new, Video display Corporation(VDC) still makes the marquee. but they are expensive new, i think the 9500LC Ultras are close to 40,000 USD. But there are lesser 8 inch models 8500 ultras Non LC for a lot cheaper. they could be made to 9500LC's with new tubes and the upper and lower mounting plates. the cost of those parts from VDC would be as much as the 8500 ultras I know that are new and for sale. VDC is the only CRT manufacture still making projectors(CRT). http://vdcds.com/products/crt/8110-8500-9500.html

I think new 9 inch complete tubes with LC housings are close to 2400 USD each so for two PJ you would need 6 ,close to 14000 USD +shipping, the two 8500 ultra PJ that i know of are 2999 each and these are new, mine had 50 hours on them(I have two i plan to blend) so for a little over 20000 USD you could have two bran new 9500LC's. The VDC 8500 longbow ultras are for sale on E-bay if you care to look and a AVS forum memebr here is selling two also. but then you would need 6 9 inch tubes and there housings as i stated before. i put these two 8500's onto my 12 foot screen and love it, some day i might convert them. but for 4 meters you will need the 9 inch set for sure.



Athanasios

Hi
nashou66 those are great news. So there is a possibility to buy these new, fantastic.
These CRT 9500 LC Ultra have a less bandwitch than the Cine 9, i think they have 130+ and the cine 9 has 180.
I would like to know if there is any difference in picture because of this?
Tank you



It's a shame that people just don't keep Laserdisc alive as they do with CRT :) Love both ;)

Hi
nashou66 those are great news. So there is a possibility to buy these new, fantastic.
These CRT 9500 LC Ultra have a less bandwitch than the Cine 9, i think they have 130+ and the cine 9 has 180.




I would like to know if there is any difference in picture because of this?
Tank you



It's a shame that people just don't keep Laserdisc alive as they do with CRT :) Love both ;)

http://vdcds.com/pdf/crt/8110-8500-9500.pdf

I think the new Marquees bandwidth actual performance is equal to or surpasses the Barco

Do you have any experience with CRT Fp at all ?
Getting into a multi projector blend or stack will take a lot of skill and time. You will need to hire it out or have a passion and a drive for it and have a good aptitude for it, throw in a good amount of patience and you will love the hobby.

Personally I think you might be better off with a digital projector!!
And I happen to have two BRAND New Marquee Ultras looking for a good home to the right person who fills out the adoption papers . :)


Bruce

Hi
nashou66 those are great news. So there is a possibility to buy these new, fantastic.
These CRT 9500 LC Ultra have a less bandwitch than the Cine 9, i think they have 130+ and the cine 9 has 180.
I would like to know if there is any difference in picture because of this?
Tank you



It's a shame that people just don't keep Laserdisc alive as they do with CRT :) Love both ;)

Actually you cant go by the stated specifications. the marquees actually have the greatest usable bandwidth of all current CRT projectors according to a few experts here(TSE and Mike parker). the main reason is the purity of the video path as its only DC coupled in one place and is also the shortest video path of them all. I have also confirmed this with my 2004VDC marque 8500 Ultra longbow, by resolving 1080p@72hz from it pretty well, 1080p@60 was a breeze. Also the Longbow I have has an extra circuit on the Video input to allow for up to 240Mhz signal, well beyond 1080p. these were made for the US Airforce Apache longbow helicopter simulators and run at very high resolutions. So these 8 inch longbows can handle 1080p the 9 inch tube will do it easier and with more light output. So if you have some one near by or are technically able yourself to put in new 9 inch tubes and then sell the 8 inch tubes and set up the PJ's in a blend or a stack this is one solution.

I personally love the marquee's for the parts availability now and in the future and the ease of set up. But like Bruce stated for a blend it takes lots of time and energy to do it right. i have started and am getting close but a perfect greyscale and colors are needed to get the seamless blend like Gino has.

by the way, where are you located?

And I can attest to Bruce's longbows, they are the exact same ones as mine.

Athanasios