View Full Version : I never knew this about blank dvd's........


billmich
06-01-09, 11:34 AM
I have a Panny EH55 and when I put in a RAM disc it shows capacity as something like 4.37GB, when i use a DVD-R its capacity is listed as 4.40GB

Any idea as to why a RAM disc has ever so slightly less capacity than a -R?

any info would be greatly appreciated

Thanks in advance

CitiBear
06-01-09, 11:51 AM
Its just formatting. All discs technically have 4.7 GB capacity, but thats before taking into account reserved areas needed for DVD player compatibilty and/or rewritability. Eraseable or "VR" mode discs need to keep track of whats been added or erased, and various editing options not available on write-once discs, so they eat up a little extra capacity to do that. On my Pioneers, I can format write-once media to be editable using VR mode: after doing this I note the listed capacity drops from 4.4GB to 4.3GB, which indicates more flexibility eats up more disc capacity. In your comparison of RAM at 4.37 vs R at 4.40, the difference is almost negligible- don't worry about it.:)

wajo
06-01-09, 11:57 AM
Its just formatting. All discs technically have 4.7 GB capacity, but thats before taking into account reserved areas needed for DVD player compatibilty and/or rewritability.
Actually, the reason we can fit only 4.4 GB, of info on a "4.7 GB" disc is simply the difference in figuring capacity: disc mfgrs use the decimal numbering system based on K=1000, while our DVDRs (and computers) use the binary system based on K=1024.

plplplpl
06-01-09, 12:30 PM
The difference on a DVD is indeed negligible, but the bigger the drive, the bigger the difference. The new Seagate 1.5 TB HDD I just added to my HTPC shows up in Windows as 1.36 TB, a difference of 140 GB. Hey, six or seven years ago, I paid $400 for my first external HDD, which at 120 GB was less than the difference between the space advertised by manufacturers and the actual capacity on the Seagate. I think we should pay for storage capacity in binary dollars. "What, $150 for this drive? Here's $136. Bye."

Sean Nelson
06-02-09, 01:44 AM
Any idea as to why a RAM disc has ever so slightly less capacity than a -R?It's because RAM discs have "hard sectors". RAM disks are basically just like hard disks in that any sector can be read and re-written independently of the others. All of the other DVD disks (-R, +R, -RW, +RW) use a sequential recording format that requires a long, continuous stream of data for each "session" on the disk.

Each hard sector of a RAM disk requires a little bit of space - you can see them as a series of marks in a rather odd pattern when you look at light reflected off the disk. So that means there's a little less space available for the data.

Although the analogy isn't perfect (and I'm really dating myself here), anyone who remembers hard- vs. soft-sectored floppy disks will get an idea of the concept.